Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

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I thought this was going to be a regular game of mafia, but I can get down with this. I think I'm better at townhunting than scumhunting anyway

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I wish we knew in advance what the leaders have to do

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Why did you heal Penguin?

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because i felt they had the towniest entrance

Was it what you mentioned in 16 or something else?

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I thought this was going to be a regular game of mafia, but I can get down with this. I think I'm better at townhunting than scumhunting anyway

Do you want to be the leader?

The discussion has probably moved past setup speccing on how to nominate the best leaders by now, but I think the best way to approach the leaders is to nominate someone with a combination of towniness and good read accuracy.

So having said that, I'm a fairly meta reliant player and haven't played with like more than half of this playerlist, so I don't think I would be the best choice here.

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Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

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HEAL: Andante

This sounds like town!Andante to me.

are they always so dramatic?

Dramatic? They sound genuine and that’s why I’m so confident she’s town here.

what I meant was- they misunderstood my posts in pretty silly ways
I got the feeling that they read my posts, got slighty triggered and then overwhelmed with anger when they started writing and describing how scummy and rude I am. As if just writing that kept fueling their anger, causing them to notice new and new arguments for how I'm being bad (which actually were based on pretty simple misunderstandings- I don't think it should be considered scummy by a person who's emotionally sober)

I was asking if it's normal for town!Andante to get so lost in their feelings and lose track of reality
or like... if it's just normal for them to tunnel

sorry if I'm being rude again, I don't know how to describe it otherwhise

I don't think they lose track of reality, but yes Andante does play a very emotionally transparent game. This is completely within her townrange

Feeling town on Ejjinami, I like their analysis here and on 96

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"Since I've started writing this I see this has been discussed and people mostly seem to agree with me" was shorthand for "I skimmed some of the discussion. On a more careful reread people have already made these points, and it's also been discussed more since I started writing this".

I realise this sort of posting is anti-town and it would make life better if my posting were accurate the first time around. What can I say, eh, digesting posts fully is hard and the thread is busy right now.

What, the game only had 5 pages at this point

this is towny af

my current leader pool is:
[myself, Aisa, Andante, Penguin]

Not really seeing Aisa town atm

gamma/CSF had weird entrances too

Elaborate on how it was "weird"

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believe it or not im not actually informed of your alignment and need to sort to figure it out.

Feeling town from this and the reaction test

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oh lmao i just realized i kinda did overhype the penguin townread and internally made it stronger than it should be

regardless im fine with my heal there as i think the controversy around it spews penguin town :3

I'm so confused where it even originated on page 1

HEAL: Aisa

And I definitely don’t want NAHA as leader because I don’t trust their reads whatever they are in this game.

You don't trust someone's reads before flips have happened? That's rather confident of you

These two posts juxtaposed are weird

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Because I'm critiquing both Loki and Not Hectic, presumably, and the Loki read is about NotHectic.

I think bad reasoning knows no alignment. Even if I'm having questions towards someone's motives, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to arguments being presented against them.

Or, perhaps, I'm mistaken about what you're getting at

Yeah

Or more specifically

NotHectic has a read that you don't understand

Loki also thinks NotHectic's reads are hard to understand

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but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

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Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

yeah... like 150 is a max, and it feels like people are doing everything in their power to ensure they hit 150.. like people, SLOW DOWN please, this game doubled in size overnight...

If you thought I'd have super committed and confident reads a few hours into the game, then well. This probably won't be the last time I disappoint you

I think you're good thus far!! lol I mean, half the table is doing nothing, so then options for leaders are smaller.. and uhh NAHA is spamming, and yeah.. that's about all there is, so I think what you have is great!

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Meh that's good enough for now, I'm like getting sick IRL, it's great, but yeah I had a partner read I don't remember who, it was fidget and someone... ahhh should've just written it down. whelp yeah.

HEAL: Radical Rat
HEAL: ejjinami

I think those 2 are good to heal though

What? What has Radical Rat done so far this game that's really pushed the game forward and made them town enough for one of your two heals?

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Also, I thought the post cap being 150 per phase was high enough as to be largely inconsequential, but at the rate some of you are going... Yikes.

I stand by my Andante heal for now, she's overthinking things a bit, but looks plenty Town to me. Firebringer's point that he'd be electing her as scum is valid, but if scum wants to help elect a Townie as leader, I'm sure not gonna be the one to stop them.

I think Hectic is probably Town. Which is to say that the alt that ISN'T Hectic must not be. Really, just not a fan of all the grandstanding, feels like a spicy mix of LAMIST and Too Scummy To Be Scum, so they're off my list of viable leaders.

Firebringer I think is genuinely Town here, though largely gut at this point. Wouldn't want him as leader though, because while I do enjoy a good shitpost every now and then... I'd rather someone more reliable take the reins.

Ejj I could go either way on. Leaning Town for now.

Everyone else.... No terribly strong opinions on. Mildly sus of Penguin, but that's just like. A vague feeling, less than even gut.

This is like the meatiest post in their ISO

and it's like a TR on Andante, one maybe scumread on Definitely Not Hectic, a gutread, and a weak TR

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I am superbly lost this game
HEAL: no one
I still have certain mech thoughts but reads-wise I feel like I am behind

This rings town because same tbh

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elim this dirty cat liar

but I make no promises that I will refrain from angleshooty logic

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HEAL: Ejjinami

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HEAL: NotHecticAlt

I kind of skimmed over some walls on the previous page, but I want to be healing somewhere.

Ejji has just seemed town, and additionally I don't think they would make their latest post about the gamestate if they were scum, since they're poised to be leader.

NotHectic I'm vibing with some of their reads like on Rat, and like how they seem to be re-calibrating their reads constantly with new info like with their PP read

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btw I'm sick, so advance warning, my activity may be irregular over the next few days

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PenguinPower - The grifter. Would sell five people the same bridge. That he has no rights to sell.
Shoshin - The illusionist Makes you think she isn't here even when her name is clearly in the player list.
Ejjinami - The brains of the operation. Will play 3d chess all around you while you are playing 1d chess.

why are you scumreading ejjinami?

and the fact that they're likely to be leader, does that worry you at all?

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PenguinPower - The grifter. Would sell five people the same bridge. That he has no rights to sell.
Shoshin - The illusionist Makes you think she isn't here even when her name is clearly in the player list.
Ejjinami - The brains of the operation. Will play 3d chess all around you while you are playing 1d chess.

why are you scumreading ejjinami?

and the fact that they're likely to be leader, does that worry you at all?

you really could be asking better questions here tbh
frankly speaking with your level of involvement, I’m more surprised that you do strongly agree with the town-read

talk to me about rat.

What would be better questions to ask? I think it would be a towny reaction to see your scumread get voted up, and try to push back but tbh fb doesn’t seem concerned about that playing out

Why? I think you’re probably my top townread right now.

I think rat has gotten easy trs for not doing much, and that makes me wary.

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Loki and hectic, your back and forth is tiresome no offense. You guys are alts, yes? Are they outed?

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My gut reaction is that I kinda think you guys are tvting over something dumb like past games where you successfully read each other off of

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Does knowing who I am change your read in any shape or form? If so, how?

It actually doesn’t change much - it does explain the aggressive pre flip partner solving. Actually feeling kind of stupid I didn’t realize it before but I’m going to blame it on being sick

I heard you had a pretty good scum game though

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Anyway, no one's yelled at me about it, and time is starting to become a relevant factor so.

HEAL: Ejjinami
Welcome to leadership

Who’s your preferred second vote rn?

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I think rat has gotten easy trs for not doing much, and that makes me wary.

They aren’t going very much against the grain, so I’m just kind of confused where these TRs are coming from

Like Andante was townreading them for that reads list and for “doing stuff” which is like a weird way to characterize their play

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I think rat has gotten easy trs for not doing much, and that makes me wary.

They aren’t going very much against the grain, so I’m just kind of confused where these TRs are coming from

Like Andante was townreading them for that reads list and for “doing stuff” which is like a weird way to characterize their play

And what is "going against the grain" here?

I was the first to heal Andante, I was at least one of the first to start scumreading Not Hectic, and while I was rather late on healing ejj, It's not like I'm just sheeping everyone else blindly.

True about andante looking at your iso, but i don’t think this is true in the not hectic case. I think Loki and maybe one or two other ppl were scumreading there?

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"strangely"

I feel like you deliberately play in an opaque style

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Welcome enchant! Did you replace into a scum slot again?

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How did CSF get that high?

Lodging a formal objection to this one, I think there's a solid chance she's scum here

And wow, crazy how I could have developed opinions after several more pages of content

Elaborate?

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I'm actually kind of stressed out now

Something something power something something responsibility

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A day?! Pooky did you forget a 0 in there

Also this is less stressful than I anticipated lol. So who wants to be on my team :3

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If it comes down to the wire since we only have a day, I'll probably pick ppl who voted for me lol

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Hmm actually

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, can someone be selected to be part of both crews?

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ohhhh okay then that simplifies things a bit, since we don't have to decide who goes into which group

so we basically pick our top 5 townreads I think

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I need to get back to work, but NAHA, Loki, Fidget, Gamma, ???

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Andante?

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ooh nice, picking TRs. I love how CSF was like "I'll just pick the people that voted me" like what? that is probably the worst logic you can have here tbh, like, if town was voted in, I'm gonna take a wild guess scum was like "ok must be on their good side, they're about to get power"

but uhh I hate coalition stuff, so whatever, I'm town though!!

from my perspective, there's just little incentive for scum to vote for me as leader; I'd expect scum to try to push one of their own as leader. Unless I'm pocketed, but I don't really see myself as a priority pocket in this list?

Of course, this doesn't matter if ejji is scum but I still think that slot is town

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What does your ideal crew look like, Aisa?

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I'd consider enchant.

Enchant, why did you hammer me for leader instead of hectic? We were both at e-1

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What does your ideal crew look like, Aisa?

Right this second, I would probably do

ejjinami
myself
fidget
Loki?
Gamma??
Andante???

I also tr you (personally pretty pleased with the outcome of the leader election!), so would definitely swap you into the list if I didn't have to limit it to one leader. This is essentially a list of my top 6 townreads.

But idk, think I prefer to lock a few people as fairly strong townreads then keep everyone else neutral until I've had time to think about them, so this is a pretty uncomfortable question

Sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable

I think it's good to get people's preferred groups out now in case the group picked fails, we can see who was pushing who

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Idk what I expected lmao

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pooky already heavily implied a phase extension isn't happening though

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I need to get back to work, but NAHA, Loki, Fidget, Gamma, ???

I might just do this and Aisa, who I'm kind of maybe on but I can't think of anyone better

Aisa was kind of just talking about the event initially, which I disliked, but she also had some townreads to share when I prompted her about it, so maybe she is just thinking about the game in her own lowkey way. She's also townread by my other townreads, so there's that.

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To briefly summarize on CSF, there was a Lot of mech spec fluff, which to me felt like it was intended to distract from the process of sorting out Town to elect as Leaders. Like, I get being sucked into mech rabbit holes, I do it all the time as both alignments, but in this case, all the fussing over what a leader may or may not do... It just wasn't relevant to the actual decision. And she wasn't alone in doing so, but it just... Struck me with her in a way that didn't with the others.

That's weird because I don't think I did much mech spec at all after I initially got into the game

But you stated a scumread on me much later than that, towards the end of event one when people were pushing me for leader

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FB is a maybe town, bc upon review of his ISO, I feel like his posting felt more scum motivated in Infernal Affairs than it does here... he's just like out here vibing. But he's also just a bigger wildcard in general, and idk if I can ever get to a point where I feel good and confident about healing there

ahhh I'll sleep on it. I should be able to make time for this game tomorrow morning

But for now, this is my squad!

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I thought you didn't want to be in my squad because you weren't townreading me?

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No you were scum. That's the game that you NK'd me

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Really, why? I think I was somewhat scumread there too

When I died, I actually thought I was vigged

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Hectic, can you talk to me about your Gamma read, because I currently think you're both town and would like you both in my crew. is Gamma aware of Enchant's scumrange? His read would not be TMI if he's not aware.

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Has Cat asked for advice from any of their town reads on who to put on their team?

idk about asking but I have given a lot of probably-unsolicited advice

yeah i've been taking people's reads into account like with Aisa, but I feel like there's friction in the bloc

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Hectic, can you talk to me about your Gamma read, because I currently think you're both town and would like you both in my crew. is Gamma aware of Enchant's scumrange? His read would not be TMI if he's not aware.

Wdym?

Like if Gamma doesn't know that Enchant is still in his scumrange, it wouldn't be tmi because perhaps he genuinely townreads Enchant

Why is this not a genuine read even if it's wrong/premature basically

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For Loki, there's like no reason for them to not want to be in your (ejji's) bloc I feel. I think they're town so they'll be in my crew

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gamma who do you think is scum?

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So, these are the mech posts that pinged me, though in my mind there were a lot more of these, I guess I got stuff mixed around in my head.

Spoiler:

Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

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HEAL: Andante

This sounds like town!Andante to me.

are they always so dramatic?

Dramatic? They sound genuine and that’s why I’m so confident she’s town here.

what I meant was- they misunderstood my posts in pretty silly ways
I got the feeling that they read my posts, got slighty triggered and then overwhelmed with anger when they started writing and describing how scummy and rude I am. As if just writing that kept fueling their anger, causing them to notice new and new arguments for how I'm being bad (which actually were based on pretty simple misunderstandings- I don't think it should be considered scummy by a person who's emotionally sober)

I was asking if it's normal for town!Andante to get so lost in their feelings and lose track of reality
or like... if it's just normal for them to tunnel

sorry if I'm being rude again, I don't know how to describe it otherwhise

I don't think they lose track of reality, but yes Andante does play a very emotionally transparent game. This is completely within her townrange

Feeling town on Ejjinami, I like their analysis here and on 96

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

However, they just seem weird and out of place, like I said earlier, like they're meant to draw attention away from relevant discussion.

Beyond that, the energy here is wonky. I know she said she was sick, and that's probably part of it, but... It feels very coasty, kinda going with the flow.

And then after being elected, the suggestion that she'd just pick her healers is demonstrative of a lack of care or investment. Like, if she's scum here, she's already won, it really doesn't matter who her team is, so picking something as superficial as that makes sense. And then she backed down when called on it, of course.

zzzZZZzzz I said that only if it came down to the wire, because we have one day and that's not enough time imo. Why did you just ignore that part of the post

In any case, this game feels town driven so far just based on the leader picks

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Mm Toog could be scum, yeah. I feel like they're just commenting on random stuff

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is that list ordered? or is it just town and scum blocks

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HEAL: Loki, Hectic, Gamma, Fidget, Aisa

Gamma's PoE is pretty good tbh, I doubt I'm changing my mind on this in the next 30 mins

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If what Gamma said was right, you have more than 3 mins. Thread will lock but you can take a bit to think

Or you can yolo it

pedit: the first post suggested to heal in one go but idk you can probably do one heal at a time like you've been doing as well

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idk who Prism is but let's not badmouth someone who's not here, it doesn't feel necessary right now

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and I'd argue Gamma Loki NAHA aren't all town, so it's whatever. then fact that is our "town core" the the teams are "those 3 + 2 TRs" and "those 3 + 2 SRs" like, whatever. yall can discuss if you want, I'm not. the fact I literally HAVE to vote my SRs I've been saying... cause I don't want to be voted in just to get tunneled, so yeah no thanks

Which one(s) are you scumreading?

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I think he's asking who in the first team you like more

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Can i vote against both? No?

Fiiiine.

VOTE: Team 2

Why do you dislike both?

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VOTE: Team 2

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What's with people coming out of the woodwork complaining about teams after they've been selected

I floated my proposed team long before i actually locked it in so people can talk about it, and I don't remember this much opposition to the teams then? Like barely anyone pushed back

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I saw at least NAHA, Enchant, Firebringer, and Andante complain about both teams during this part of the event, probably one or two more that I'm forgetting right now

Idk it feels like a lot

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oh yeah I'm really surprised Loki ended up on Ejji's team, don't know what to make about that

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Toog voted for 1

I still think Team 2 is the best!

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I saw at least NAHA, Enchant, Firebringer, and Andante complain about both teams during this part of the event, probably one or two more that I'm forgetting right now

Idk it feels like a lot

mmm...enchant was a late minute replacement and is voting your team
NAHA is voting your team
Firebringer wasn't included on either team...i get it
Andante has been against your team since before this phase.

mmm....

I don't think voting for a group means you like it, since the voting is either or right now

Enchant and NAHA said both groups suck before voting for team 2

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oh yeah I'm really surprised Loki ended up on Ejji's team, don't know what to make about that

What do you make of aisa saying ejji copying your team basically optimal play?

Idk about "optimal" play but I think Aisa was townreading the three overlap picks so it checked out

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I saw at least NAHA, Enchant, Firebringer, and Andante complain about both teams during this part of the event, probably one or two more that I'm forgetting right now

Idk it feels like a lot

mmm...enchant was a late minute replacement and is voting your team
NAHA is voting your team
Firebringer wasn't included on either team...i get it
Andante has been against your team since before this phase.

mmm....

I don't think voting for a group means you like it, since the voting is either or right now

Enchant and NAHA said both groups suck before voting for team 2

it certainly means you like it more than the other...

I think it's impossible to please everyone, but I do expect people to at least voice their objections when forming groups when there was still time to change it and not after the fact.

Granted, Andante was sick so maybe that's why she didn't when she was in the thread with me when I posted my proposed group the night before

but like it makes me feel like everyone was lowkey ok with the groups and are now posturing

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yeah I did get the impression some people checked out during the 24 hours phase

whatever, if you dislike both groups, then pick one so we can move on, thanks in advance

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You bet it is!

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GG, thank you for modding pooky!

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