Mini 2273: Science Diagrams That Look Like Shitposts 2 [END]

Eiralox · Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:21 pm

^ alex seems town af. alex slips by the radar. is alex town? never trust eira's judgement.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:24 pm

Eira's wake 'n bake breakdown:

Gibus flips will teach me more than Vivax slip atm. Vixav still all kinda summy and only showed head after my unovte. almost voted for gibus here but nah no no no, not yet..... my eyes are other places also but won't say where for now.

what i believe: because scum had traitor D1 becomes more pivotal in finding scum. i haven't done a full re-read of D1 after D2 flips, just haven't summoned the energy tbh, might do so todAY OR TOmmorow with some music on after boiling a pot. and after that re-read i think i'll know where my vote belongs. good luck out there, watch out for the snakes

Eiralox · Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 pm

In post 1450, Corwinoid wrote:Eira, can you explain any of your riddles from earlier now?

if i have anything relevant to say i'd have said it or will still say it.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:26 pm

In post 1451, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Eira, can I interest you in the Gibus elim?

read my big post

Eiralox · Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 pm

In post 1456, Corwinoid wrote:For those of us bad at the game, why is gib more info; just because you're TR Vivax?

huh? said still find vivax scummy. said i'm not yet voting gibus. said imma read it all(i hope). so rn, yes gibus more info for one simple reason: teams. i have seen more.... ardent and diverse arguments regarding gibus than vivax, both for and against, so.... 1000% speculation maybe, or gut feels. as i said tho, my vote is till nowhere. might comeback here and not vote for either, who knows.

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:58 am

drink and oreo kfc krusher lel lel.

VOTE: Vivax for now just cos. haven't done re-read, don't think i will tonight. so do i suggest vivax launch? not yet.

WHy do I still find elsa scummy? elsa's ardent defense of george should be green af. so..... eh. idk. clidd stayed on owen d1, elsa stayed on owen. safer for scum to stay on owen and corwin than move to george? which again stresses the importance of knowing: did owen hammer away from scum? if owen was wise... if, then no more than one scum was one george, pure speculation tho.

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:04 am

memory and attention are fleeting things, the mind wanders where it wants

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:04 am

imma be a dwarf for the night bai

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:58 pm

gibus i mean if i shift my vote off vivax it's gonna be on u. thats H-5 or hammer. so.... Elsa and Toffee. Would be lying if I said I don't find them scummy. enough to elim them over u tho? dazzle me.

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:59 pm

why have i a happy scumday cake under my message? site birthday or something? if so, haooy scumday or somehting i guess.

Eiralox · Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:59 pm

I see let them eat cake

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:11 am

wait u don't gave it.... almost thought i entered my b-day wrong lol. see it's date i joined, much intelligence.

@Alex Thanks ; )

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:23 am

@gibus i mean there's many things but the main shtick is how loose u are with votes, and how recalcitrant regarding providing reasons. the only solid reads i've been getting from you, solid arguments, are from D2 after a wagon started to build on ya. Buuuuuutt... i can still see you as town.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:34 am

welp off to town(again). hopefully achieve something when i get back. meanwhile enjoy the cake.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:21 am

hmmm now then.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:51 am

the universe can have its jokes

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:12 am

@Vivax i haven't done jack squat RE: reread. here's the thing: talk.

i find toffee scummy to null to town, goldfish was green to null. toffee praised and townread a whole lot, which.... i'm kinda on the fence about. and you: I have my reasons. So my vote's gonna be towards you 4 now, that's just how it is.

UNVOTE: Vivax

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:22 am

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:35 am

In post 1700, Vivax wrote:
In post 1697, Eiralox wrote:@Vivax i haven't done jack squat RE: reread. here's the thing: talk.

i find toffee scummy to null to town, goldfish was green to null. toffee praised and townread a whole lot, which.... i'm kinda on the fence about. and you: I have my reasons. So my vote's gonna be towards you 4 now, that's just how it is.

UNVOTE: Vivax
You can vote however you want.

Forcibly finding better reasons than I already have won't change anyone's mind, I'm in low effort mode and won't mind some casual talk, but I have a hard time taking the game seriously at this point.

i get you but can you be a tad bit more positive than that? I did unvote after all.

In post 1698, Corwinoid wrote: No... don't... come back....

*terminator meme*

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:48 am

interesting. has been off the radarish. no further comment.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:18 am

@Vivax wou;ld u rather vote toffe or geraintm/?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 am

In post 1713, Vivax wrote:Might be worth voting NM again just to have something funny to read.

ok so what about corwin and elsa, the other two left on yer train? what do you think about elsa's pr claim after gibus's?

and do u still think crescent is scum?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:50 am

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:57 am

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:46 pm

In post 1800, gibus wrote:Cres, Alex, Eira.
Preferably Eira

all imma say is keep ur options open

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:48 pm

ok don't see vc maybe i'll make one. 7 1/2 hours left so i got till..... 4 pm ? so y'all gonna hear from me.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:53 pm

Vivax (3): Not_Mafia, Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee (5): Alexcellent, Crsecent, Corwinoid, Elsa Jay
gibus (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Vivax
geraintm (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (1): Eiralox, gibus

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to launch.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:54 pm

Vivax(2) BBT(4) btw soz

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:58 pm

In post 1785, Elsa Jay wrote:Corwin I think we're outnumbered here?

Are we gonna quick launch so Toffee doesn't have a chance to claim or are we just gonna pray it'll be scum lying about it and not another town PR?

In post 1792, Elsa Jay wrote:I just know NotMaf is somehow watching and ready to hammer now. I feel it in my bones. But yeah you convinced me to vote there.

We need someone else to vote tho. I don't wanna give him the satisfaction of a hammer. And deprive people like Gera from responding I guess.

UNVOTE:

In post 1795, Elsa Jay wrote:Actually with 9 hours left and me about to fall asleep I don't trust y'all to actually vote it in time without my vote on it. I'm off to bed. See ya either tomorrow or day 3.

VOTE: Toffee

Sorry you replaced into a scum slot dude. I know the feeling.

In post 1796, gibus wrote:UNVOTE:

all i'm gonna say is this progression on page 73 makes me feel way better about gibus.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:58 pm

page 72

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:45 pm

Vivax (1): Not_Mafia
BlueBloodedToffee (4): Alexcellent, Crsecent, Corwinoid, Elsa Jay
gibus (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Vivax
geraintm (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (1): Eiralox, gibus

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to launch.

i thank dat's right

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:49 pm

ffs

Vivax (1): Not_Mafia
BlueBloodedToffee (4): Alexcellent, Crsecent, Corwinoid, Elsa Jay
Crescent (1): Vivax
geraintm (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (1): Eiralox, gibus,

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to launch.

dis time

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:50 pm

and gaeraintm under non vote

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:52 pm

@Vivax u still on crescent after wut gibus said?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:15 pm

bluebluebittywoobittybloobitiboo

Eiralox · Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:26 pm

Vivax (1): Not_Mafia
BlueBloodedToffee (5): Alexcellent, Crsecent, Corwinoid, Elsa Jay, Geraintm
Crescent (1): Vivax
geraintm (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (1): Eiralox, gibus

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to launch.

Eiralox · Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:18 am

toffe and vivax(and not_mafia) basically off the grid at this point....

Eiralox · Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 am

sleeeping maybeez

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:05 am

day one dumptruck's here

Spoiler:

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:08 am

worrywart

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:12 am

i'm dancing through the woods of discovery, the wonderland of mystery

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:21 am

uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ gibus said they protected cres. can't do two things

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:21 am

so by same logic why's elsa alive vivax? logical answer could be scum reconned vig.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:39 am

d2 spacemachwtcallitcargohaulerfreight brrrrrrrr

Spoiler:

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:19 am

compaction commencing...

Clidd

votes Geraintm, UNOwen

Alexcellent

votes Not_Mafia, Elsa, Not_Mafia, GeorgeBailey, Toffee, Not_Mafia, Elsa, Elsa, Toffee

Elsa

votes Alex, Owen, Gibus, Owen, Corwin, Gibus, Vivax, Toffee

Corwinoid

votes geraintm, Not_Mafia, Owen, Vivax, Vivax, Crescent, Vivax, gibus, vivax, toffee

Crescent

votes Gibus, Corwin, George, Elsa, Toffee

geraintm

votes clidd, crescent, vivax, gibus, toffee

Vivax

votes Corwin, George, Corwin, George, Not_MAfia, geraintm, Crescent

gibus

votes Crescent, Elsa, Corwin, George, geraintm, toffee, Elsa, toffee, toffee, vivax

Not_Mafia

votes Not_Mafia, George, Vivax

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:48 am

VOTE: geraintm

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:53 am

what did i do?

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:02 am

In post 1882, Vivax wrote:You put a ruler over the rows in your list. Ockham would be proud.

uh like the spaces?

In post 1883, Elsa Jay wrote:Yeah and why is my name more pink then the other 6 living people?

could be honest mistake. could yor scum ; )

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:03 am

or next to enter Hades : l

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:49 am

ruler? you talking about occam's razor here? make more sense, i dont like to shave.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:24 pm

In post 1892, Vivax wrote:And you want to imply that's the mafia, but you're not giving a lot of rope there.

uh ??????????

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:17 pm

In post 1906, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1892, Vivax wrote:And you want to imply that's the mafia, but you're not giving a lot of rope there.
uh ??????????

so vivax u think crescent/gera are scum and that i also think this cos i got it off... vote patterns, a ruler, making ockham(a dwarf maybe?) proud? and u think that's why i'm voting gera, and that's why you're, so to say, willing to play along? Is this your train of thought? If so why? Ur vote stayed on crescent end day dos. if ya think cres is scum come up with a good argument, which i didn't see yet from ya.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:23 pm

In post 1907, Crescent wrote: Oh and from a review of day 2 my trust of Eiralox dropped some by the way. Much much more behind the scenes than she was on day 1.

don't mismob a JOAT after you mismobbed a Detective and then talk about trust. I wasn't sure about toffee, and decided to give vivax the benefit of the doubt. gibus pr claimed. that's it for my day two.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:24 pm

In post 1909, Crescent wrote:
In post 1908, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1906, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1892, Vivax wrote:And you want to imply that's the mafia, but you're not giving a lot of rope there.
uh ??????????
so vivax u think crescent/gera are scum and that i also think this cos i got it off... vote patterns, a ruler, making ockham(a dwarf maybe?) proud? and u think that's why i'm voting gera, and that's why you're, so to say, willing to play along? Is this your train of thought? If so why? Ur vote stayed on crescent end day dos. if ya think cres is scum come up with a good argument, which i didn't see yet from ya.
It is curious that he did not immediately revote me today after voting me for like the last 100 hours of day 2.

But it could just be attributed to having a night to think about it.

well they're still throwing shade on u by voting gera but not willing to go thhru with it then using my vote as a reason to propose gera/cresent scyum team. so that has to be noted

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:26 pm

and vivax pretty much ignored my request to expand on the crescent vote D2

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:28 pm

VOTE: Vivax

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:28 pm

my main fear was that u were vig cois of ur reaction to my post. now that Alex has kicked the cow welp

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:30 pm

In post 1914, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 1911, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1907, Crescent wrote: Oh and from a review of day 2 my trust of Eiralox dropped some by the way. Much much more behind the scenes than she was on day 1.
don't mismob a JOAT after you mismobbed a Detective and then talk about trust. I wasn't sure about toffee, and decided to give vivax the benefit of the doubt. gibus pr claimed. that's it for my day two.
Oh so you wanted to talk about that too huh. You gotta admit though even if Cres is scum she deserves credit for the town launching 2 PRs and making 2 more claim. It's a great talent.

i trust no claim without a flip, not 100% anyway. 95% yeah, like if i think im getting healed by town doctor etc. but right now i'm not discounting the possibility of fake claims, as vivax rightly pointed out RE: gibus

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:33 pm

In post 1917, Crescent wrote:Though yeah there's a pretty inbuilt argument to calling me scum now too considering BBT likely doesn't get voted off if I don't push it with Alex in the warning hours of day 2.

Which is why it's curious. His arguments yesterday were terrible, and nobody cared about them, but BBT'S flip gives the best argument the game has ever had.. And he puts a vote on Gera... But he still says he wants to kill me and Corwin.

It feels weird.

i felt the same this morning. tunnel on corwin has been full steam for three days, soooooooo..... where's the case? no the cres shade thru eira-gera vote shenanigans. i mean it's day three. if u gonna scum/slight scum some1 bring some folders with ya

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:41 pm

In post 1922, Crescent wrote:
In post 1916, Eiralox wrote:my main fear was that u were vig cois of ur reaction to my post. now that Alex has kicked the cow welp
Halfway through day 2 I thought vig was most likely Vivax, Gibus, or NM. Part of why I was worried vig couldn't shoot NM is that vig WAS NM.

But it's partly why I was leaving NM as a last-case scenario vote. I wanted him dead on principle, but he's absolutely the kind of guy I think shoots as much as he possibly can.

yes i was also vig-reading N_M a lot

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:43 pm

In post 1921, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I got a new spicy theory for scum Crescent if you wanna hear it Eira. I know it's getting old there but whatever.

Though if the Crescent Mastermind theory isn't worth pursuing it's something along the lines of either Vivax today. Or NotMaf has to go since if we're wrong again we're in MyLo and unable to just Launch NotMaf day 4.

always up for theories elsa : P

what about gibus? u trust the claim at this point? Is gera on the table? Corwin conf town 2 u?

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:48 pm

could be ELsa/Gera

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:52 pm

i mean scum eiether lucked out or knew bout vig. seems to be proof of scum rb from pr claims.. so idk

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:57 pm

well some pairings at least make more sense than others, i've only done a simple votecount thus far. real analysis still forthcoming, for now i want vivax to enlighten us on crescent, geraintm, corwin. if there's scum there, how and why

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:09 pm

@gibus i see no reason for u to be silent after a pr claim. vivax asked what ur doin' i wanna know 2

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:22 pm

VOTE: Gibus

idk abt crescent, but athis point i'm not trusting gibus's claim.

@gibus defend urself here, it's early day tres and Elsa is making some very bold statements. I'll backread this and come back with my own spin, but if two protectives have claimed and one votes the other..... well.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:32 pm

i mean the main thing is elsa putting toffee at -1 and gibus unvoting. but...... gibus, wanna hear from u. i'll study this in my own time.

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:33 pm

In post 1951, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I haven't voted there yet since we'd still have to find the partner but yeah Doc is 99 percent fake.

oh u didn;t vote my bad. so why not vote? 99% is abig percentum

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:44 pm

chill chill i'm still gonna do me own study and wanna hear from peeps

Eiralox · Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:04 pm

you have 6 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes ; )

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:55 am

lol no further input from vivax.

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:27 am

In post 1968, Vivax wrote:Unfortunately this input leads to a different output than I was used to on the previous site.
When I realize that, I give you output, not input.

k sure but saying u want cres and cor dead then to switching to a nm vote is a big leap. you saying you're not gonna explain any of this?

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:29 am

and u haven't saifd a word about elsa's j'accuse against gibus

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:40 am

ah so one pr calling another scum takes back seat got ya

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:44 am

In post 1974, Vivax wrote:
In post 1973, Eiralox wrote:ah so one pr calling another scum takes back seat got ya
Which PR is calling someone scum.

read what elsa said

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:45 am

that's what i'll like sum input about above your nm/cres/cor reads

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:28 am

not_mafia off the grid. gibus yet to respond. vivax is an owldog.

i mean scum must be somewhere in there.

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:29 am

@Vivax sexy new look btw ; )

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:10 am

i think N_M is probably not present. i mean, with this level of teat wobblin' one thinks theyd be here

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:46 am

i mean vivax never you voted gibus and gibus only voted vivax start d3. not enuff but i'm throwing it out there.

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:51 am

only other person who hasn;t voted vivax is crescent

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:52 am

In post 2005, Vivax wrote:
In post 2004, Eiralox wrote:i mean vivax never you voted gibus and gibus only voted vivax start d3. not enuff but i'm throwing it out there.
You're wrong, look:

VOTE: gibus

cool cool so ur trusting elsa on this?

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:53 am

only other person who hasn't voted gibus is Not_MAfia

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:55 am

In post 2008, Crescent wrote:Oh also we kind of have to vote one of those two because numbers actually.

If Vivax/NM are both town, numerically speaking town has pretty much already lost. Two players actively refusing to play the game in eight means 6 left (2 scum) when it takes 5 to vote off. It's basically 4 town vs. 4 scum at that point. All scum would need is a single town vote on another town at any time to lock the game up.

I'm thinking N_M is afk at this point. Other than that right now i'm in pure investigative mode so such concerns are supererogatory.

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:14 am

well there's still many options on the table

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:17 am

In post 2023, Crescent wrote:
In post 2021, Eiralox wrote:well there's still many options on the table
The game is virtually unwinnable if Vivax/NM are both town is the issue, just by the numbers.

what i'm saying is i'm gonna use my time to analyze, and right now N_M and Vivax aren't my only options.

Eiralox · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:12 am

VOTE: vivax

eh roll the dice. this cow is dying and rn imma go smoke then not ope this thred so see ya'll whe n i see ya'll

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:32 am

@gibus

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:41 am

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:44 am

net was down all day. didn't do any backreading cos of that, got no new info. vivax can flip town, maybe they just decided to don N_M skirt and go to da max. who knows. but....

@Vivax u haven't claimed(xpect saying ur 'town') even being at -1. so........... yeh.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:47 am

and gibus/vivax team i haven't anaylyzed in full, i did say yestersday how dey didnt vote each other d1 and d2, gibus votes start d3 vivax freaks, then when i call up vote patterns, vivax votes gibus and says 'see.' so yeh there's that. and if vivax flips green well theyve embraced the spirit of the scientific shitpost by becoming a maze rat in the menagerie of madfolk, so give nt ake.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:48 am

In post 2125, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 2124, Eiralox wrote:net was down all day. didn't do any backreading cos of that, got no new info. vivax can flip town, maybe they just decided to don N_M skirt and go to da max. who knows. but....

@Vivax u haven't claimed(xpect saying ur 'town') even being at -1. so........... yeh.
Why bother asking for claims after all the flips and me and Gibus claiming? He would've CCd already if town.

Viv can clearly state " Vanilla town" or whatever.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:49 am

In post 2126, Vivax wrote:Like I said I can vote gibus. I just don't think they play like mafia, but you refuse to budge.

VOTE: gibus

viv whoz maf? cres and cor? gera? uve been silent as a necromancer since middle d2.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:50 am

In post 2129, Crescent wrote:Vivax can flip town but has directly violated the golden rule of "playing to win" if he does. Not a damned thing we can do about that so..

in life some don't play to win

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:53 am

In post 2133, Crescent wrote:
In post 2130, Eiralox wrote:
In post 2126, Vivax wrote:Like I said I can vote gibus. I just don't think they play like mafia, but you refuse to budge.

VOTE: gibus
viv whoz maf? cres and cor? gera? uve been silent as a necromancer since middle d2.
He's been asked several times today to make any meaningful arguments and responds to all of the requests with shitposts.

I strongly believe he was trying to bait a hammer last night.

i don't mind beating my head against a virtual wall. we got time N_M unvoted so might as well try to coax out a response that has any validity to things as they are.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:53 am

In post 2136, Elsa Jay wrote:Why bait when he could've just self hammered then?

not as fun

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:54 am

gonn have powe outage wont be online for 2 hours, might fall asleep. imma go smoke.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:57 am

In post 2140, Vivax wrote:I'm not responsible for you being so easy to make feel defeated. Well, I am maybe. But that's part of the game.

blergh

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:51 am

@Vivax how many other VT u figure's out there? why did u ask if my text was a vig claim? why would a vig claim D2? Why would a town ask this?

@N_M: any weighty thoughts on Vivax?

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:31 pm

oh wow now this is interesting. Elsa.... hmm. We'll see what's going on here. @Gibus u trusting Elsa's claim at this point? cos seems like it.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:35 pm

if crescent and elsa are scum together imma lol hard. @Elsa Eira/N_M pairing makes way more sense than Eira/Gibus. Idk why you're clearing Crescent/Gibus at this point, while it's not my main focus considering crescent's d1 greening and vote then unvote of gibus u've got more to go with there d1. meh, look where u wanna I guess, just feel ur wasting ur time. then again i'll be lookin at u crescent so meh apple n pears.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:41 pm

gibus hasn't been really scumhunting after Elsa claims. this worries me, heightens chances of a scum gibus but might also be pr gibus disconnected from game. gera? corwin biiiiig post. crescent-cor still ignoring. things are real simple actually: right now I don't trust none of y'all. some make sense yes but ur all on the table.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:58 pm

an corwin doing mega post then not knowing that elsa said they healed gib first looks bad, might be error.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:03 pm

correction ****elsa said they healed cres first

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:06 pm

In post 2228, geraintm wrote:Does vivas have some sort of forcefield around them, they seem imunkillable in this game.

I've come back this morning and I cannot work out how people are getting themselves so twisted.i thought today was aiming to solve the not mafia (and others wanted vivax) problems, but for some reason these two slots cannot get over the hump.

the sudden shift to NM is interesting. vivax was doing jack squat, yet i guess some are still town reading it and decided to lessen pressure. N_M voting vivax and gibus..... and then many votuing N_M something's not adding up here to me, we'll see

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:17 pm

Vivax flip clears Corwin sorta, among others. N_M flip is way less info. Gibus flip i'm happy with tho i'm nbot trusting elsa, between the two claims gibus is merely where i'll hammer. elsa has done far too much that seems green to be chosen over gib.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:36 pm

[quote="In post 2152, Corwinoid"]

Spoiler: Full vote history

Spoiler: Per player vote chains

Spoiler: Wagon formations, in order of initial appearance

DAy one:

NM : Alex, Fish, Corwin (2/3 conf town)

Cor : UNO, Vivax, Crescent, gibus (1/4 conf scum)

Cres : gibus, gera, eira (1/3 ct)

Gera : clidd, Corwin, Gb (2/3 ct)

Elsa: Alex, gibus, eira (2/3 ct)

Alex: GB, Elsa (1/2 ct)

UNO: Elsa, Cor, Clidd, GB (2/3 ct)

gibus: Elsa, Crsecent, Eira (1/3 ct)

GB: Vivax, NM, Eira, Alex, Cres, gibus, Vivax, UNO (2/7 ct 1/7 cs)

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:43 pm

Day two:

gibus: Eira, Fish, Elsa, Cor, geraintm (2/4 ct)

Fish: Alex, gibus, Crescent, Cor, Elsa, geraintm (1/6 ct)

Vivax: Cor, Eira, NM, geraintm, Elsa Jay (1/5 ct)

Cor: Elsa

NM: Vivax, Alex (1/2 ct)

geraintM: Vivax, gibus, fish (1/3 ct)

Crescent: Vivax, Cor, Fish (1/3 ct)

Elsa: Alex, cres, gibus (1/3 ct)

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:49 pm

numbers whacky D1 UNO is 2/4 and D2 gibus is 2/5. Day 3 incoming.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm

Day three:

Vivax: Gibus, Eiralox, Elsa, Not_Mafia, Vivax

gearaintm: Eiralox, Vivax, gibus

Crescent: Corwin

Gibus: Eiralox, Vivax, Corwin

NM: Geraintm, Vivax, Elsa, gibus

Elsa Jay: Corwin

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:28 pm

i'm not getting elsa's whoopy logic in paring me with gibus, esp as i voted gibus directly after elsa reveal re: prs? placing eira/gibus higher than eira/cres doesn't make sense data wise. cres seems town af anyway so meh.

Gibus voted both Tof and GB.
Vivax voted GB, stayed on Cres end D2.
Elsa vote Tof D2, stayed on Owen D1.

By votes alone i'll townread Elsa and no one else. Elsa's voting seems green, tho they haven't voted Crescent or Gera.

Vivax/Gibus have changed dramatically come D3, and this after they were both wagons D2 before Tof mobbing.

NoT_Mafia voting gibus and Vivax but still getting voted by Elsa? rn gibus and vivax are with Elsa on NM wagon sooooo idk.

Vivax and gibus only others who voted gera besides Eira. Gera has only voted for NM, currentlywith elsa, and with gibus and vivax, both who voted gera, and gibus naming gera straight scum(before swithcing to NM vote as well).

So i've said earlier I can see Elsa/Gera and can still see it, not as likely as Gibus/Vivax atm tho, townreading gera and elsa more than the latter 2.

i might say more later or mght not, who knows.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:30 pm

gibus has since unvoted but point stands, there's data on that N_M wagon.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:40 pm

if N_M and Gibus scum... only coubter-vote between 'em d3, with quick gibus unvote. onyl places they've voted together was on GB, and D3 on Vivax.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:52 pm

corrections

In post 2241, Eiralox wrote:i'm not getting elsa's whoopy logic in paring me with gibus, esp as i voted gibus directly after elsa reveal re: prs? placing eira/gibus higher than
cres/gibus
doesn't make sense data wise. cres seems town af anyway so meh.

Gibus voted both Tof and GB.
Vivax voted GB, stayed on Cres end D2.
Elsa vote Tof D2, stayed on Owen D1.

By votes alone i'll townread Elsa and no one else. Elsa's voting seems green, tho they haven't voted Crescent or Gera.

Vivax/Gibus have changed dramatically come D3, and this after they were both wagons D2 before Tof mobbing.

NoT_Mafia voting gibus and Vivax but still getting voted by Elsa? rn gibus and vivax are with Elsa on NM wagon sooooo idk.
(NM never voted gibus my mistake)

Vivax and gibus only others who voted gera besides Eira. Gera has only voted for NM, currentlywith elsa, and with gibus and vivax, both who voted gera, and gibus naming gera straight scum(before swithcing to NM vote as well).

So i've said earlier I can see Elsa/Gera and can still see it, not as likely as Gibus/Vivax atm tho, townreading gera and elsa more than the latter 2.

i might say more later or mght not, who knows.

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:56 pm

And N_M unvoting Vivax when Corwin asked for it when I made Vivax -1..... why would scum N_M do that if if there's been so much talk about N_M policy elim early D3(and all game)?

Maybe N_M is playing 7d chess here but idk. Haven't heard from N_M, they're still off Vivax so *shrugs*

Eiralox · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:58 pm

cos after N_M unvote and Corwin stating their big post was gonna clear vivax(or they felt sorta greener about vivax) the votes swung to N_M, among other a gibus vote.

Eiralox · Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:51 pm

if N_M flips green imma just give up. Vivax comes in and joins Eira shading and does fuck all else. no one cares. Cr5es seems to be focusing more on me than finding actual scum.
vivax suggest Eira/NM(which I have already done) completely ignoring the gibus/elsa thingy and acting as if they';ve been a bit trolly but their spirirt is still town.... they've done jack shit D3, a bit more D2, and their voting is whacky.

I ask why N_M would unvote Vivax as -1 and no one answers me, Viv and Cres saying i unbottled myself and didnt say much at all. lol.

imma head into town for stuff. don't expect much from me. good luck N_M

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:27 am

eh vivax you do you. crescent is the only hard town read i have atm. if crescent is scum well played.

@gera u didn;t read my posts. i said back then i trust none ya'lll, and said elsa only seems green by votes.

i have many arguments for scum elsa. gibus has finally spoken, and at this point...... if we mob gibus and gibus is doc, chances of elsa scum are.... hmmm. high? N_M hasn't said uch of not other than bein high IQ, Vivax is still a pumpkin. So Gibus/NM Gibus/Vivax still on table for me.

As i've mentioned twice before and as crescent said, Elsa/gera makes sense,

-Fin-

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:35 am

vivax d1

#29 Scumfeel GB

#50 _ Crescent "That said, I think that you are too eager to draw parallels here and assume that Bayley doesn't deserve a finger of suspicion, so if that's Alexcellents reason to call you mafia (which I don't know but if I had one, that'd be it), I think that's a decent reason."

end here 4 now dis msite ghas been buggy af 4 past few days and rn viv's four titted gif is blocking things up.

Elsa/Vivax no sense.

Note that up till here Vuvax has had no interaction with gibus, only one mention. Did say theyre ok with policy lynch but never mentioned or voted gibus n direct regard 2 this, there's the seeking post of asking what mafia not mafia is like, which to me seems informant hunting. will continue wen can.

#119 VOte Corwin for VLa post

#131 not wanna share town reads. not wanna go back or say something on GB cos wanna see how Cor reacts 2 vote.

#136 Asks for input on Nat_Mafia. "Gave me the impression he likes to laze off while being around a lot, but don't know if it's a mafia trait of him." not asking for direct reads, but help to read.

"Otherwise clidd gives me slight mafia vibes. Bit too smooth of an entrance. More ruffle-some-hairs type of input would help to dissuade me."

"I'll say I don't think Elsa is the droid many are looking for, but don't let me stop you from generating info."

#165 _Corwin Doesnt think Cor voting gera is valid. Asks for clidd reads.

#182 Ataack on Clidd and Corwin for going after gera.

#249 sus Bailey

"Gibus and not_maf are my blind spots. Maybe mafia, maybe not. Some people's metas are just permanently low-info like that, makes it easier for them. I'd be open to a policy vote as well if I don't see improvement."

#258 says prob cghange vote GB later on

#295 Vote GB, 'Almost voted Not_mafia'

"Corwin/George looks like a good combo still."

#299 Asks if there i a chance NM is jester.

#333 "Mafias just need to play better than the worst looking players in town.

Where would you look if you didn't have to look at NM or gibus, for now?"

Why does reek like informant-seeking?

#348 "Gibus ISO doesn't even look bad to me anyways. Just less...judgmental and more silent. Playing around a bit at the entrance with his copy of Elsa. I like where UNOwens vote is."

#371 Shade on crescent and Alex, defense of Elsa

#424 Revotes Corwin for Voting Own for tunneling, Vivax calls this from corwin a 'scummy post'

$427 Asks Gb if haz townread on Corwin

$432 "From a cursory ISO:

I think Elsa fell off a cliff too much for my taste which is in contrast to earlier activity.
Picking gibus and N_M as scum also looks baddish, they are in my launch-bait category, and Elsa didn't really look like they were putting in much effort after that list.
The whole Corwin/GB notion seems to fly by Elsa."

#463 GB "Either way, at best you'd have a reason to ask Owen to expand on his read, not call him mafia when Corwin isn't in your obvtown-pile."

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:36 am

ugh mess up my conlusion tot his is between #50 and #119

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:44 am

from posts i've seen vivax was very hesitant to form reads on anyone not GB or Corwin. Defense of Owen and gibus doesn't look good. many posts i can frame from the viewpoint of scum looking to see who's informant instead of town looking to see who's scummiest. votes on corwin poor reasons.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:50 am

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:04 am

?

do the decency to qoute or numbwer i dint got time to watse in your frivolities.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:38 am

page 37:

Vivax: i dont mmnaybe u do

Eira: class

Vivax: "Ok, that's a crumb probably would be my best guess."

Eira 2 utub songs

gera>Clidd: " was a novice detective in my last game. i made it to end game

is the hammer genuine then? and it wasnt Not Mafia who did it??
i am assuming this claim in twilight is genuine. if i had been around i would have made it clear i wouldn't have gone near George Bailey today ever.
anyone got a rollcall of all those who could have unvoted after the claim PR and didn't? Or am i going to have to look that up myself tomorrow?"

Vivax: lol

Eira>Gera:" I think it was me, Crescent, Gib, and Vivax, with me and Crescent being the closet posters active up to when Owen hammered.

Alex and Not_Mafia were not active at the time."

Elsa> Gibus: "Add Owen to the Vote and it was legit. I have no reason to doubt Gibus actually counted the votes right here.

We killed one of our PRs day one. That's always fun.

Owen never even explained himself either. Just did it and left."

Eira>Eira>Gera: "
No, vivax posted after crscent, i posted after vivax, owen hammered."

Vivax>NM: "Methinks these were his reads inverted. I don't know if someone could have already mentioned that."

GB: utub

Eira>Vuvax "i thought about it, won't hedge any bets."

Eira: utub

GB: A real human Breen

GB>Gb "Me burning my hand after realizing I forgot the sugar"

Eira: >.<

gera> Eira: "these will be the people i will look at most closely tomorrow, pending whatever happens over night"

Goldfish o wow, votelist complaint

Goldfish>Cres: "I thought he did..." RE: GB crumbs

Goldfish>Cres is this a claim?

Cres>Fish "That's what his role was last game.

He was just way more proactive/aggressive than he was in this one. Virtually identical post counts, too.

Why on Earth would I have been claiming anything?

"

GB: gunsmith

GB: Sherlock

????????????????????????????????

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:41 am

ur just fuckin about at thi poitn vivax. u make no mention of gibus/elsa saga. u pair me with nm after i told elsa that makes more sense, then i ask u how dat works with gibus/elsa and u make no response, then u vote me after crescent/elsa/gera shade on me, naming me scum.

so i'm scum with gibus?
Elsa?
N_M?

ur being a non spesific eeel here and the fact that so many peeps are townreading u is maijg my sides hurt

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:55 am

already said gibus/vivax. read,. so who am i scum with>? why are u doging the topic of gibus? why do i even bother with u

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:58 am

lol so vuvax is still sticking with Eira/NM at this point., yeah sure vivax dearie we live in fairy fairy land where both elsa nd gibus are pr and tey just haven't realised that the evil eira is keepin em down.

i mean i wanna mob vivax even if the flip is town at this poiunt, there's just no amount of sense being made here and everypone is going along with it and i end up wasting my time. meh.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:16 am

sooooo....... the fact that theres two prs and one claims against the other passes u by, u r just sheeping elsa. and gibus less likely to flip scum than me? U haven't made a case against not_mafia, unlike elsa. your case against me is shall we say... page 37ish.

my town reads are crescent, peroid. ive stated this.

and today u wanted crescent and corwinoid dead without any facts behind those wishes.

well vivax do as u please from here on out, i've detailed ur behaviour and gibus/vivax to me seems likely.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:18 am

so ur sheeping elsa but e;lsa is scumreading gibus but ur thinking that me and NM and more likely to flip scum than gibus? wtf is going on here vivax>?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:21 am

the whole elsa scumreading me is dyue to eira/gibus pairing so if ur sheeping elsa there as well then gibus should be more likely to flip scum than N_m if eira is scum? you were so logical D1 vivax this sort of read-explanation just reads scummy as heck 2 me

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:26 am

lol distrust says the shoddy logic cow

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:06 pm

so it's elsa/gibus. elsa reacted emotional to corwin vote. gibus only started to mount a defense now, waaaaay after elsa-attack. i can see scum elsa, but voting gibus is..... safer? maybe?

Crescent talks about Elsa claming 28 minutes after gibus and how that's not enough time, thing is elsa only contested gibus claim way after both claims so elsa culd've claimed(using redacted to play safe) and later mounbted gibus attack. Elsa/Gera team and way less likely Elsa/Vivax and others.

But..... ergh.... gibus feels green and elsa feel bliase these past few pages, except when socliding corwin, but i know im eira, i err, so chances ae my vote's still goin gibus rather than else.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:11 pm

one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.

so yesterdAY i wanbtred to come in here and vote gibus, clear this whole thing up. diduin't, got stuck in with vivey. im not gonna vote there yet. Corwin.... town points for thinking about gibus/elsa launch today. choosing elsa over bibus? well maybe gibus swayed some folk wiht good intetnions but c'mon why didn't gibus mount this exact same defense days eralier?

I recall telling gibus they have 6 days six hours and a half. that they've only come with something againbst elsa claims now well.... time constraint, studying poss game layouts, patience, idk, or simply scum gibus caught flatfooted and only now bouncing back. idk it's unicorn logic from here on out so that's all imma say now.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:36 pm

In post 2446, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 2444, Eiralox wrote:one thing that worried me yesterday when walking was that scum! Elsa also wouldn't want a gibus launch, rather a misluanch D3, then maybe a misslaunch D4 and when gibus finally swings eazy scum victory.
Where have her votes been today?

Vivax, which looked like an easy mislaunch, and went to -1 before I cooled it off.
Not_Mafia, who town have wanted to self-destruct on all game.

She's the one pushing the mislaunch to have the gibus fight tomorrow.

i'm considering this and that's why a gibus launch today would make me happy.

the thing for me is...case building. els might not be fully logical but their attack on gibus/N_M and gibus/eira is brave.

would scum elsa do this? maybe.

one can say that elsa calling Gibus/N_M Gibus/Eira is Elsa protecting either Gera or Vivax for when things go ball's up but idk.

if we launch gibus and it's a doc swing we'll be more certain about elsa.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:37 pm

one thing that worries me is that both N_M and gibus are still bottom of elsa's pile, same as they were D1. this might be conincidence or might be strategy in motion, elsa was very evasive towards me D1 when I asked for an expansion on their gibus/gera reads.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:44 pm

but if elsa is pr then evasiveness D1 can be warranted for survival's sake. Gibus rn is going after elsa but isn't doing game solving from what i've seen. same with vuvax tbh.

if gibus started hunting elsa's scum partner along with bringing a rebuttal to the case i wuldve felt better.

but no, we got elsa leading us in hunting gibus partner and gibus just now coming back to counter a major claim elsa had made days ago, so right now yeah imma wait and see.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:03 pm

the Alex kill immediately pointed to elsa scum due to alex being main sus on elsa D1 and D2. so this might mean scum wanted alex kill to sus elsa, not knowing he was vig.

the fact that gibus said, they might heal eira, cres, or alex, pref eira and then chose cres after i crumbed i'm not vig..... well now.

if scum suspected alex was vig this might mean scum! gibus is trying to get elsa to heal crescent and not eira, cos gibus gonna pref heal eira.

both claim 2 heal cres, none heal alex, alex shot.

so....... if cres was second obvious choice, then gibus stating their gonna heal eira might shift elsa to cres heal.

and because at this point i havent crumbed i'm not vig(which maybe i shouldna done but at this point i was trusting gibus for toffee unvote) maybe scum! gibus and poss. vivax thought I was vig, so to get me gibus crumbs they gonna heal me so that means they shift elsa off healing me.

just a theory.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:03 pm

@Crescent ill reply when i can

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:17 pm

Power down so on moobile . Its less and about alex shot and more abt poss. That gibus used post to influence where elsa heals for sake of night kill.

Ive been an early adopter of elsa/gera after going over votes and d1 and its scary how well they mesh. Well see.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:30 pm

Re: brave I mean the entire attack on gibus. I also mention my name cos I dont see scum elsa going so far on alimb as to pair me with gibus after my votes. Scum elsa would rather pair vivax or gera imo, along with nm.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:31 pm

But im ever wrong so at this point imma just observe. Wnna vote gibus tbh.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:41 pm

@crescent the fact that nm unvoted vivax -1 doesnt feel scum to me. Nm offers nothing but right now viv feels scum, cant justify a vote on nm over viv/gibus

Corwin seems to be a blanket townread by many at this point

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:57 pm

Well I dont know home w much time s left. I wont lie if I say I can see scum elsa, yet despite gibus feeling green to me numerous times imma probs vote the latter in an hour or more. Id rather have gibus flip doc than elsa bg tbh, gibus isnt bringing much atm. Mislynching elsa makes things easier for scum than mislynchng gibus, so thats where my logics at and why imma vote gib

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:00 pm

In post 2477, Crescent wrote:
In post 2473, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 2470, Eiralox wrote:Corwin seems to be a blanket townread by many at this point
Well, it sucks for you guys if I'm not, but I'm the only one trying to regain town cohesion and get people reactivated in this game at the moment also which really wouldn't play towards my win condition as scum.

One of my scum points on Elsa is despite her positioning herself as the peacemaker and town leader she's not really been doing either.
You have no scum motivation not to just murder the hell out of Vivax, which as Elsa called it, "your wet dream". You would easily get away with a hammer there with no repercussions. It would have been a certain game-winning play for you.

Though I would say Elsa has been quite a bit more active today than the past 2 days. I've bantered with her quite a bit.

? I couldnt hammer vivax I was on it. Vivax isnt a wet dream vivax is scummy. When I get the time ill study a corwin/gibus pairing havent looked enough at corwin since d1 tbh

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:03 pm

Power is on welp thought it wuld be an hour more. Imma be around.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:05 pm

Oh nvm I thought iwas qouting corwin but I was qouting crescent qiting corwin. Coreins wet dreams vivax. My bad lel

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:06 pm

@crescent exactlty thas why im not comfortable abt the elsa shift and why im so strongly wanting a gibus flip.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:10 pm

Elsa I wanna help u but at this point I dont wanna lynch nm and vivaxisnt happening. Seeing as that leaves u, me and gibus, srta, a gibus vote just seems more safe. Nm/viv flip green and were bak to square 1 basically

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:17 pm

@crescent gibus/nm is still possible.but recall earlier that I said thatif nm flips green imma give up.I meant that. I just want a gibus flip to get this shit over with.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:21 pm

Corwin id say go for elsa if gib flips doc. Dont know if gb/doc can self heal in this setup?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:35 pm

In post 2494, Corwinoid wrote:Doc can't self heal. Remember if gib flips doc we're in MyLo, and Elsa has claimed an town RB-enabler. There's no reason to NK her if they can just block her.

If we flip Elsa today and gibus is town then doc almost certainly the NK because he can't get blocked, and both slots get sorted.

We get more info from the Elsa flip, and avoid nasty wifom-stuff if we flip Elsa first.

this is well argued but ive already stated my counter: elsa contributes, elsa hunts. gibus does way less than that, hell theres two prods on page1 gibus atm. i know umlauts inactive but hell for gibus to be so inactiv after what elsa said? nah.

rather gibus than elsa.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:41 pm

an gibus solves more. i have more poss. gibus scum parings than i have elsa ones

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:58 pm

elsa and ger feel town while vivax/gibus do not and nm is null to green. thas why id rather hunt gibus, while elsa/gera makes sense, gera has been weirdly a townread for me thruout the game, and while elsa feels scummy to me in text considering their actions their way higher on the totem pole than gibus, who again feels green to me but by actions.... seems scummy.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:01 pm

i can frame Elsa defense of GB end D1 as scum trying to protect informant, or scum having found pr crumb and now using that to create false narrative where they tried to save pr, but rn imma go with the belief it's town.

idk how much time is left here? dont know if othe vc is accurate it said 2 days something. imma vote for gibus today. hope to hear from others first tho, think theres a lot 2 discuss here.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:06 pm

vivax has no reads no cases yet easily names anyone scum. D3 alone: Cres/Cor but gon facts. NM bu got no facts. Eira but.... wtf was viv case on me even? with viv not adressing any points i made regarding d1, bout how viv coyulda been informant hunting.

and vivax refuses to consider thatgbus is more scummy than eira or gibus, yet trusts elsa whos scumreading gibus and looking for partner? i mean with mistakes like that i might just call vivax 100% town and call it a day. but no.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:06 pm

*trhan eira or nm

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:18 pm

then there's my krassus/kaesar post. at the time before alex's post i thought mafia did not know there was informer, so this post was a veiled way to ask if mafia didn't know then maybe vivax asking if nm is jester, if jester is in game, can indicate scum? but alex wiki post discredited this so i didnt push it D2, it made no sense i guess.

but vivax stated theyre experienced. so in what world does an experienced town player start d1 ask some1 if they vig claimed? why not assume it might be a crumb and stay silent? elsa only spoke about GB crumb when gb was being mobbed, so... vivax never adressed thuis to me, only to some1 else by saying he only wanted to solve the riddle.

thing is if vig was one shot vig wouldve claimed straight out or remained silent. i dont see how calling attention to a post that might be vig claim is good D2. and then i crumbed to gibus i'm not vig so.... yep.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:20 pm

*start d2

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:25 pm

In post 2517, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 2515, Eiralox wrote:at the time before alex's post i thought mafia did not know there was informer,
Wait... what?

i wasn't sure whether other mafia knew about OWEn's role, why i asked alex about it and after alex clarified i did nothing with my krassus post, it had no use as originally intented. vivax's uninted resp0onse to it, tho, was one fo the reasons i voted there D@. then later on i thought maybe vuvax was town and vig and this was their way to set me up as vig to keep themselves safe, so i hemmed and hawed on vivax vote. considered voting gibus but after claim nah.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:27 pm

start d2 my vote was gibus cos out of all the isos that seemed the scummiest

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:29 pm

d3 i voted gera cos... idk can't remember tbh, something about the way they voted. got nio soild case there as of now tbh.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:06 pm

(Ob btw i think scum tought ELsa/Clidd might be masons, thus the clidd kill if elsa not scum)

gibus iso

d1

#35
Vote cres

#97
Vote Elsa

#343
case on gera flimsy as hell

#354
worried by clidd position on elsa readlist(clidd is green)

#414

In response to GB RE: Elsa

"90 really only gained credibility over time.
And her read on clidd was premature."

#415

"I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me."

#425

Eira: ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

Gibus: No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.

#426 > Crescent

"This gives me strong town vibes"

#478 RE: Elsa

"Gotta add that her insistence on policy limming me with 2 days to go and 2 other SRs is very anti town."

#644

Vote Corwinoid

#774

"I just want to see blood"

#781

Vote GeorgebAiley

#789 > UNOwen

"Is this intent to hammer?"

#824 > Elsa Jay

"What crumbs"

#887

"1 scum down
gn town"

D2

#936

Vote Goldfish, Not_Mafia, Geraint (This after Eira vote)

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:12 pm

ok i'm not seeing why elsa is seeing nm/gibus as the de facto pairing. vuvax/gibus makes way more sense still, i'll post gibus D2 further imm smoke

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:26 pm

Gibus iso (cont.)

#1105

vote gera

"Will catch up in a bit"

#1298

In post 1298, gibus wrote:Man that was a very busy week. Here are some thoughts on the start of D2.

Spoiler:
In post 902, Vivax wrote:
In post 900, Vivax wrote:
In post 899, clidd wrote:
In post 117, Alexcellent wrote:
Speaking of which, does anyone know why this image is in Alex's ISO? ^
I don't, but maybe you do.
Ok, that's a crumb probably would be my best guess.
Methinks this is a bit too laid back to come from scum.
Mafia try not to leave any vulnerabilities in their posts, and discussing pr crumbs is an easy target for being anti town.
Could be calculated but considering the timing of his response, idt that's likely.

Spoiler:
In post 934, Alexcellent wrote:I'm assuming that the scum team didn't actually know Unowen's alignment given he's a traitor

Clidd is an interesting kill. RIP Clidd and George. Sorry for the bad read on you George.
I'm going to have to review some stuff but I sorta felt weird about Clidd/Elsa throughout D1. Not sure how Clidd's death affects things. Elsa is still high up there for me I think.
Def want pressure on Goldfish today. Felt a lot of apprehension and not a lot of scumhunting from her D1.

Nothing super exciting jumps out at me from a glance at Unowen's ISO. He voted Corwin all day long until he hammered George. Maybe worth noting he asked Elsa for an opinion on Corwin and seemed very interested in the answer to the point of repeatedly questioning her. Maybe that's a traitor trying to find out what his scum companion thinks without being able to directly communicate? But also it's admittedly pretty loose. It just kind of jumps out at me because of him repeatedly directing the question her way. And then there's this:

In post 452, UNOwen wrote:I don't think Elsa suggesting she didn't give me any further thought until now after my lame response to her initial poke is a good sign for her alignment.
Also this is prob worth noting:

In post 429, UNOwen wrote:
In post 393, Corwinoid wrote: I really want to know what your fascination with me is.
I think you're scum.
Does the traitor super bus his scum buddy all D1 long like this? I know this is WIFOMy but I like getting it out into the open. Felt like Owen would have stayed on that wagon and IMO Corwin was at genuine risk of being eliminated yesterday until George wagon got bigger. I feeeeeel like that makes me slightly more leaning town on Corwin. But yeah, WIFOM.
Owen's insistence by itself is wifom sure, but I like Corwin's response.
Quoting the wiki page on traitors:
"identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists"

If corwin is scum, wouldn't it have been better play for him to first ponder over whether this was a signalling attempt or not? Instead there's an immediate OMGUS with 0 hesitation or reconsiderations later.
In post 393, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 307, UNOwen wrote:
In post 305, Elsa Jay wrote: Won't say who yet but reading the last four pages made 2 people move up in my town list and 1 down. I'm here to interact all day as well.
Where is Corwin on your list and why?
I really want to know what your fascination with me is. Since your RVS vote you haven't even looked anywhere else or engaged meaningfully with any other slot in the game. Seriously, what's going on here?

VOTE: UNOwen

Spoiler:
In post 968, Corwinoid wrote:
In post 967, Alexcellent wrote:What makes you think NM is town?
Because there's a 75% chance he's not scum. None of his activity has moved that.
This also is a good post from corwin altho I don't agree with the sentiment. He made it clear that his stance on null players is that they are town by default based on probabilities, meaning scum!him won't be able to push any policy elims on them in the future. Basically the opposite of keeping his options open.

I've got a good townread on this slot so far.

Spoiler:
In post 978, Corwinoid wrote:I'm perfectly happy to die on this hill. Are you?

Better for me to be alive and hunt your partner, but it's perfectly fine town to trade me for scum this early when we've already got one too.

VOTE: Vivax
To anyone still scumreading corwin - pause for a second and explain to me why scum would EVER in a million years continue to death tunnel someone more trusted in this situation?
Wasn't that what got him so close to an elimination yesterday? And to keep doing the same as scum with only 1 teammate left.. No way.

*dfense of Alex to vivax

*defends Corwin to Alex

*continues townread on corwin

"pause for a second and explain to me why scum would EVER in a million years continue to death tunnel someone more trusted in this situation?
Wasn't that what got him so close to an elimination yesterday? And to keep doing the same as scum with only 1 teammate left.. No way.
outsmarts bullet"

I can frame this as a defense of Vivax. vivax is not menbtioned but the fact that he's town can be inferred in this response.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:32 pm

cool beans anything else to add? there seems 2 be a shift towards u so rn wuld be a good time to expand on scum! elsa. im still doing ur iso but rn expect me 2 viote u.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:44 pm

Gibus ISO (cont.)

In post 1302, gibus wrote:
In post 1299, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:All of that to explain a town read on someone under 0 pressure.

Cool.

Who is scum?
I'm still behind by.. a lot.
Based on poe tho, both scum have to exist within Not_maf, geraint, Elsa, and goldfish.

throws shade on N_M. throws shade on gera/elsa

uote="In post 1303, gibus"]

In post 1301, Eiralox wrote:thanks gibus ; ) i haven't walked yet fml so quick questions before i do: Thoughts on Crescent, Toffee, gera and Elsa? Toffee wants you dead, right now you're second on my list(sorta) so would appreciate feedback.

Crescent was almost confTown to me so I;m surprised her wagon got to e-3[/quote]

uote="In post 1303, gibus"]

In post 1301, Eiralox wrote:thanks gibus ; ) i haven't walked yet fml so quick questions before i do: Thoughts on Crescent, Toffee, gera and Elsa? Toffee wants you dead, right now you're second on my list(sorta) so would appreciate feedback.

Crescent was almost confTown to me so I;m surprised her wagon got to e-3[/quote]

*Some cres shade

*RE: NM "And NM gave us nothing."

*RE: Vivax "Not alignment indicative to ask for reads outside of the policy lim pile."

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:44 pm

In post 2527, gibus wrote:
In post 1844, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Just go for Geraint Tomorrow.

Both jumps onto Gibus and Me were scummy

In post 1848, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Rmemeber Geraint.

And one of Crescent/Elsa

im taking this in consideration, have since toffee posted it. i'll need more than this to swing 2 elsa.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:46 pm

ugh wait meant to qoute this as second one in #2528

In post 1329, gibus wrote:
In post 1324, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Gibus isn't scum hunting.

His entrance into the game felt too try hard to be jokey/flowy (really hard to explain this, 35 and 97) and his questions are just basic and don't actually lead anywhere (post]179[/post] 229
242 Scum looking for town to give him direction in the game. Adds the bit about hoping it's AI to appear town.
The point of 179 and 229 was to highlight the fact that clidd's read on geraint was contradictory. I didn't think this necessarily meant clidd was scum, hence 242.
And yes, I spent countless hours and many sleepless nights trying to come up with my entrance. You've got strong instinct my fren.
100 posts and 4 pages later, returns to the game after;

Eira saying Gibus/Cres could be scum/scum
Clidd has him as scum in a RL
A NM wagon happened
Eira pushes crescent for her TR on Gibus
No interest in Vivax's attempted deflection of NM/Gibus wagons

Then pops back into game when a wagon starts forming on him with nothing new to add. How?
> Not sure what I can infer from Cres mistaking my vote.
> Clidd had me as null. Not unexpected.
> And NM gave us nothing.
> Nothing to infer here. My vote on cres wasn't serious.
> Not alignment indicative to ask for reads outside of the policy lim pile.
354 Random posts like this - why is Clidd the most important part of this reads-list? He follows up with 414 where he questions Elsa's premature read on Clidd. If this pings him, why doesn't he question Crescent's premature read on him? Happy to have the town read, I'm guessing... He also uses an early-game Alex post to justify his vote remaining on Elsa (page 4 reasoning on page 17). To me, this shows no progression of reads/processing of any new information.
Because it could be argued that clidd's read on geraint was formed in bad faith. Nothing in his iso stood out as town, meaning there's a good chance the trs on him were fabricated. Elsa was already on my hit list so, why not?
In hindsight, I should have been more vocal about my townreads, since those are part of what intensified my scumreads.
Then the new stuff like showing why he town reads someone. Like, why? As scum, he already knows who is town so forming and justifying town reads is very easy. But why Corwin? It's not like the slot was under pressure or whatever, it's just a content post for the sake of it to look like he has reads.

This is the best I can do with someone who has 30 posts in over 50 pages
It was context for why I think Corw v vivax was TvT.
I'm sure it's a step in the right direction.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 pm

In post 1535, gibus wrote:
In post 1412, Elsa Jay wrote:With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take
those
3 out. Funnily enough the three of
them
are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.
Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.

first launch on elsa after being silent after a while, having vote on BBT

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm

In post 1587, gibus wrote:
In post 1575, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 1535, gibus wrote:
In post 1412, Elsa Jay wrote:With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take
those
3 out. Funnily enough the three of
them
are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.
Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.
Gibus, why no Elsa vote here? She's in your scumpool. Cres and me are already voting there. We have like a day left. I'm unsure why you are sticking with Toffee here.
I was kinda hoping for a counter waon but it looks like I'm the only one seeing toffees obv scum agenda.
And the fact that his wagon gained no traction.. very sus. I don't think scum misses a chance to aim for town!toffee since that would be quite easy to case and it makes it easier to set me up for a miselim later.

But yeah, I'm fine with an elsa lim too. Seems like the logical conclusion to Corw v vivax.
Still think her third person survivalism is scummy.
VOTE: Elsa

aove post leads tio thgis vote cos toffe got no traction. corwin/vivax t/t so elsa.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:03 pm

In post 1588, gibus wrote:Moving back to toffee if she claims pr or smth.

In post 1589, gibus wrote:
In post 1571, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean so far it's DEFINITELY a townread on Toffee's actions and only because of Fish do I still have some minor doubts. Like with Crescent, if fish had another lurker as a partner with no Coach she could've just abandoned the game. Demotivated after the traitor is gone. Another certified Elsa theory.
All he did was throw out 2 unsubstantiated srs on 2 verytowny players outside of his push on me. I don't get where this is coming from.

shade on toffee by pressurring elsa

In post 1601, gibus wrote:
In post 1590, geraintm wrote:
In post 793, gibus wrote:Unofficial Vote Count 2

GeorgeBailey (6):
Not_Mafia, Eiralox, Alexcellent, Crescent, gibus, Vivax

UNOwen (3):
clidd, Elsa Jay, GeorgeBailey

Corwinoid (1):
UNOwen

Crescent (1):
geraintm

Vivax (1):
Corwinoid

Not voting (0):

Deadline:
(expired on 2022-06-12 13:13:00)
ok, checking Gibus

Day 1 i get nothing. there is a bunch of votes all around the place, very little in the way of opinion or thought (except consistently saying i am town) and ended up on the elimination 3rd last

In post 781, gibus wrote:VOTE: GeorgeBailey
that was their vote on George Bailey

In post 425, gibus wrote:
In post 416, Eiralox wrote:
In post 415, gibus wrote:I should point out that the games clidd mentioned were a lot more fast paced than this one. Not sure if the meta read is very accurate.
I'd much rather elim Elsa over ger if it were up to me.
ok but if not Elsa then where would your vote be atm?

What's your reads on Crescent, George, and Corwinoid?
No idea. GB I guess?
I don't want to sound like I'm white knighting ger, but his vote based on the 2 posts feels rushed and panicky.
It'd make sense for him to divert all that attention asap as scum. Just a feeling though.
and this was the only time befor ei can really see them having any opinion on George. that vote looks awful now.

In post 936, gibus wrote:VOTE: Goldfish, Not_Mafia, geraint
their open to day 2

their opening thoughts strognly townread Corwin (and soon after think vivax is likely town too, though nothing backing that up)

In post 1302, gibus wrote:
In post 1299, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:All of that to explain a town read on someone under 0 pressure.

Cool.

Who is scum?
I'm still behind by.. a lot.
Based on poe tho, both scum have to exist within Not_maf, geraint, Elsa, and goldfish.
narrows down their scum team. im in it now though they spent previous saying i was town.

post 1338 has a lot of thoughts but they are still claiming to be reading....

In post 1339, gibus wrote:
In post 1337, Crescent wrote:Ok Gibus I have a question. 10 posts after Vivax countervoted Gera, you voted Gera.

Are we ever going to like, learn why?
Random from my poe pool lol.
I didn't want to get kicked due to inactivity.

oh, this is bad
In post 1349, gibus wrote:
In post 43, Crescent wrote:One thing I will add is the guy who voted me is probably town. I tend to be a magnet for unexplained early votes from people who haven't played with me before, and they're almost always town. It's why I got sus of Gamma last game for openly townreading me for no given reason in the first 60.

gibus is probably town if his read was serious

In post 48, UNOwen wrote:
In post 47, Crescent wrote:P.S.

I think the difference is some town get bad-vibes from it and decide to pressure me to get a better read, but it doesn't really ping anything from scum as something worth pursuing, which is why that vote usually comes from town.
What makes you think that gibus wasn't just random voting?

maybe he was random voting?

In post 95, gibus wrote:
In post 58, clidd wrote: @Gibus
Why did you vote Crescent if you said that your vote was ''bad''?
as a dog person, I say we lynch all cat people

I was random voting.
ditto

In post 1351, gibus wrote:wtf

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
this seems random, but at least the vote is within that random 4 person scum pool
In post 1353, gibus wrote:
In post 1347, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Crescent, you have complained about votes being spread out in the game.

You seem to have an opportunity to create a second wagon. Why are you not taking it?
Yeah cres.
Vote BBT w/ me.
how on earth are they trying to persuade Crescent, an obviously hesitant voter, to start a wagon on Toffee with this bare minimum effort???

In post 1356, gibus wrote:
In post 1348, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I wouldn't mind hearing how Gibus came to 180 on his Gera read, too. I just noticed he is voting him.
I never townread gera fyi.
the what now???

i present

In post 343, gibus wrote:I've got nothing new to bring to the table except that the case on ger is flimsy as hell
and the one where they say they aren't white knighting me...but

In post 1587, gibus wrote:
In post 1575, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 1535, gibus wrote:
In post 1412, Elsa Jay wrote:With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take
those
3 out. Funnily enough the three of
them
are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.
Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.
Gibus, why no Elsa vote here? She's in your scumpool. Cres and me are already voting there. We have like a day left. I'm unsure why you are sticking with Toffee here.
I was kinda hoping for a counter waon but it looks like I'm the only one seeing toffees obv scum agenda.
And the fact that his wagon gained no traction.. very sus. I don't think scum misses a chance to aim for town!toffee since that would be quite easy to case and it makes it easier to set me up for a miselim later.

But yeah, I'm fine with an elsa lim too. Seems like the logical conclusion to Corw v vivax.
Still think her third person survivalism is scummy.
VOTE: Elsa
switch to Elsa because their attempt to get toffee eliminated didnt go anywhere, and justified because no one joined them in voting toffee???

i cannot work out how this slot could be town. their day 1 was not great, their vote ended up on the elimination

In post 885, gibus wrote:
In post 874, GeorgeBailey wrote:Detective, I can see if someone performed a Nightkill during the night or a previous one.
how does this clear people as town
and they even posted after GEorgebailey's claim and didn't unvote.
and day 2 is a mixture of poor votes, poor attempts tostart wagons, claimed laziness

this slot looks bad

VOTE: gibus
Nah

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:04 pm

^^^ from gera: "their opening thoughts strognly townread Corwin (and soon after think vivax is likely town too, though nothing backing that up)"

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:10 pm

In post 1619, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: Elsa

Eh, this is my intent to vote.

Gibus, time to claim.

In post 1620, Crescent wrote:Did Gera just really put together an argument on Gibus quoting like 8 posts only for Gibus to say "Nah"

In post 1623, Elsa Jay wrote:Welcome to the show Cres. Good to have you.

In post 1624, gibus wrote:town combined doctor checker

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:18 pm

In post 1625, Crescent wrote:
In post 1590, geraintm wrote:how on earth are they trying to persuade Crescent, an obviously hesitant voter, to start a wagon on Toffee with this bare minimum effort???
Ok this one part does stick out because like 4 people have done this with me today. BBT does it at the same time Gibus does!

I even remarked at just how weird it felt at the time.

The argument in general... Isn't great, actually. The response is comical. The interesting thing I had noted about Elsa, the "easy answer" I alluded to that I wouldn't hand before:

#1302 is the first time he mentions Elsa the entire second day, but he only ever builds more of an argument on her in #1380 and #1535. The town potential here is he was still working out an argument against her, much like I did. I could see town here not jumping on the vote so soon.

Then #1587 just looks.. Bad no matter how you look at it. Half of the post says nothing or is simply a poor explanation, the other half is shading for a weird reason or rehash. I do think Toffee's vote on Gibus was rushed (as were all of Toffee's votes), but he's also ignoring that Alex was on Toffee with him but realized the vote just wasn't going anywhere. It feels like a disconnect from both the game and the sense that he was actually building up on Elsa. The vote itself just came out flat.

In post 1628, gibus wrote:I can protect and check the same person every night

In post 1638, gibus wrote:
In post 1631, Alexcellent wrote:May I enquire as to who you targeted last night Gibus?
Cres.
I didn't receive a no result.

In post 1639, Alexcellent wrote:VOTE: Elsa

P-edit; "Combined doctor checker" is an incredibly specific thing to fake claim and I would be very surprised if it's fake but I take your point

In post 1640, gibus wrote:VOTE: BBT

In post 1641, Crescent wrote:Also Gibus is very much indicating scum has a roleblocker with his claim. If we assume there's just 2 scum and the traitor, it makes sense that scum would have more power on it. I actually still have no idea if the assumption is 2+1 or 3+1. Though.... 4 scum in 13 with vig would have the possibility of ending REALLY fast. You could be at lylo on day 2! So I guess 2+1 with some high powered scum makes sense, hence his indication that scum has a roleblocker with his claim also makes sense of a sort.

The early Elsa train on day 1 was probably right... And the votes were Gibus, Eira, and... A third person I don't remember offhand. Alex?

In post 1645, Crescent wrote:Just giving it a moment of actual thought there, balance wise it actually has to be. You can't have any possibility of a day 2 lylo in a 13 player game. No one should approve such a setup after review.

Wanna hear something fun? Elsa's last post is the post before Gibus claimed.

In post 1647, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 1646, Elsa Jay wrote:Considering I'm a [Redacted]-Enabler Bodyguard, you should probably not vote me either.

How we get two people ready to claim Protectives day 2 is the miracles of RNG.
Why did you do this?

y u do dis Xd

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:23 pm

In post 1588, gibus wrote:
"Moving back to toffee if she claims pr or smth."

then when alex votes elsa, before elsa pr claim, gibus votes BBt. hmmm.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:26 pm

so maybe gibus knew elsa was town and that the gera/cres/alex/elsa attacks were coming from town, so instead os shifting vote back to elsa(cos elsa's sussing gibus) they vote BBt, where they are likely to get less flak.... would town gibus have voted Elsa with alex instead of BBT? Cios the alex vote was what made elsa claim, gibus wasn't pressuring that slot during time of reveal.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:28 pm

In post 1644, Alexcellent wrote:
In post 1640, gibus wrote:VOTE: BBT
I think Elsa is the play. If wagon grows on BBT I will move there, but with a bit over half a day left, it's not happening.

yet it happened. convenient shift off gibus, elsa is forced to claim,. bbt gets stoned anyway.

makes sense if elsa not scum.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:31 pm

In post 2540, gibus wrote:I thought elsa was a vig at the time.
There was no point running up another potential pr anymore since I was outed as a doc.

k k but how did u know at the time? did elsa crumb? remember toffee was JOAt so ur saying here dont wann out one pr.... ur votes and reads were shifting between 2 prs(assuming elsa town) at this point, after u said cor/viv is t/t, and after naming ger scum after naming toffee/not_mafia/gera vote triple vote after I voted you start d2.

sooooo yeah. idk

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:34 pm

so ur on elsa d1, shift to gera with slight toffee/not_mafia shade, then shift to both toffe and elsa voting elsa, alex joins, u claim, alex votes elsa, u shift back to toffee, elsa claims.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:34 pm

oh and the GB vote ofc

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:44 pm

...........i'm going through your iso. im asking why u voted elsa d1 if the crumb ur using as proof to say they're vig is elsa's first post? when did this enlightenment come? cos you were still on board elsa D2, so uh.... did u only realize elsa is vig after u claimed and then voted BBT? When?

cos im seeing vig-hunting and vig-related posts in this game and most started with u and vivax. claiming elsa seemed vig after u claim, and only now sharing the crumb after vote parking on elsa all d1 then voting GB along wiht vivax and owen?

am i missing something?

i mean i hope ur getting an iadea what im getting at cos rn i want sweet release

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:47 pm

meh.

imma vote u. if ur doc, bring something to the table RE: elsa/gera or anyone else we can work with.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:49 pm

In post 1846, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not saying.

Hammer me.

In post 1847, gibus wrote:NM is the roleblocker. Got it.

here again....

@Elsa u really think gibus/Not_MAfia is a good pairing? cos im not seeing it. hmmmmmmmm.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:53 pm

@gibus so between vivax and Not_mafia who would you rather elim?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:56 pm

hmmm. interesting entrance gera.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:58 pm

gera why don't u mention gibus in ur post?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:03 pm

@gibus anything matters. if you are the doctor now is time to lay out any truth that may help town.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:04 pm

In post 2558, geraintm wrote:
In post 2556, Eiralox wrote:gera why don't u mention gibus in ur post?
was i meant to?
i didnt see anyone pairing me with him - i was skimming it and i kept seeing people saying i was scum with elsa.

uf i didn;t skim ya'da mentiioned gibus

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:15 pm

In post 1856, gibus wrote:VOTE: Vivax

In post 1959, gibus wrote:
In post 1951, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I haven't voted there yet since we'd still have to find the partner but yeah Doc is 99 percent fake.
Eh

In post 1960, gibus wrote:I'm pretty slow. Gimme time to collect my thoughts.

In post 2156, gibus wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1946, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 1924, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1921, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I got a new spicy theory for scum Crescent if you wanna hear it Eira. I know it's getting old there but whatever.

Though if the Crescent Mastermind theory isn't worth pursuing it's something along the lines of either Vivax today. Or NotMaf has to go since if we're wrong again we're in MyLo and unable to just Launch NotMaf day 4.
always up for theories elsa : P

what about gibus? u trust the claim at this point? Is gera on the table? Corwin conf town 2 u?
Actually the theory involves both Cres AND Gibus here honestly.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Do we really think there's 2 Protectives left, especially since the JOAT also had a 1-shot protective as well as a commuter? No. So while I want today to also focus on the other slots so we can find the partner, Gibus is probscum.

Let's start with Combined Doctor Checker as the first claim. Then in my first post after this I claimed [Redacted]-Enabler Bodyguard.

So while I mentioned it today, I also hinted earlier after Crescent ruthlessly tried to argue my [Redacted] was a scum claim because it implied a fifth PR. The mistake there was not assuming it was for any of the other claimed roles at the time. Slight shading there maybe? Not as important.

Then I get too confident and basically out what I really was with my hypothetical post mentioning scum Roleblocker. Didn't mean to basically spell it out there but oh well. So it's also why I believed at the time there was a Doctor Checker because it specifically also mentioned a Roleblocker counter ability while mine was an enabler.

But is it really surprising SCUM knows about a Roleblocker? And a Doctor who "heals" Crescent as the possible partner to basically garuntee they just never actually heal to prove it? Hell while I did crumb I was healing Crescent all signs pointed to Gibus wanting to heal Eira. His direct quote was "Eira Cres Alex, preferably Eira". It felt more weird to heal the same person twice in a row when as doc you'd rather try healing the Vigilante. Unless Gibus has mentioned anything about thinking Cres was Vig I don't think healing Cres is the town move there.

That and compared to Bodyguard who still gives scum a kill via my death to save someone, Doctor would prevent a kill entirely. If it wasn't a JOAT with two forms of protection available you could've argued Doctor was valid but it makes way more sense for it to be Bodyguard.

Here's the Flipped PRs

Non-consecutive Vigilante
Detective
JOAT (Follower Commuter Rolestopper Rolecop)

Does town seem better with a Doctor who appearantly KNOWS when they get Roleblocked, or a Bodyguard who's trying to die to disable a scum Roleblocker they enable? Town enabling Scum abilities is as common as well as town ones so I wasn't sure at the time but this confirms it to me.

I think Gibus is actually the Roleblocker claiming to be a doctor to have avoided getting launched and/or to get the actual PR to out themselves. But I think because I mentioned possibly being Roleblocker enabler they just probably Roleblocked me to prevent me from dying to keep their ability AND to keep cover. Particularly after the JOAT flip. Plus they'd still want to hunt the Vigilante too.

But with literally all the Other PRs dead I've outlived my usefulness so I'm dying tonight if we get Gibus, or if we didn't focus on us we would've been the two fighting in MyLo. Hence me stating it now Gibus is probably the evil one.

Can someone do the math and find out how balanced a doc/bg/vig setup is?

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:18 pm

In post 2157, gibus wrote:VOTE: geraintm
To avenge clidd, gb, and bbt

In post 2175, gibus wrote:OK

VOTE: Not_Mafia

In post 2182, gibus wrote:UNVOTE:

In post 2184, gibus wrote:Is it too far fetched to think there might be 4 mafia aligned players in a universe where both me and Elsa are town prs?

In post 2223, gibus wrote:I'll vote whomever crescent votes

In post 2279, gibus wrote:Can someone unvote NM before he lolhammers himself?

In post 2280, gibus wrote:Fwiw, if having 2 protective roles is mathematically imbalanced, I think today's launch should be either Elsa or me.
That should guarantee that we reach 4player lylo with 1 scum worst case.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:20 pm

@gibus make ur case against elsa.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:22 pm

In post 2157, gibus wrote:VOTE: geraintm
To avenge clidd, gb, and bbt

Gera didn';t vote for clidd, gera voted for toffee.

Gibus voted for both.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:23 pm

correction:

Gera didn';t vote for george, gera voted for toffee.

Gibus voted for both.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:42 pm

i'm getting good vibes from gera and elsa.

i'm feeling good about this vote.

VOTE: gibus

if gibus flips scum im looking at gibus/vivax, gibus/corwin, gibus/not_mafia, gibus/gera, gibus_crescent, gibus/elsa in that order, depending on NK's.

Eiralox · Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:57 pm

around n round we go

Eiralox · Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:33 am

In post 2577, Vivax wrote:Don't really think it's gibus unless that's top notch acting on the last few pages.
Elsa is just too cool among the flak.
You are grumpy.
I don't know what Corwin is doing besides implying I'm some kind of source code god when I can barely write a few lines in C.
Geraintm had his sharp tongue got.

Eiralox and NM are headless chicken pushy mode and mafia.

no u

https://youtu.be/XTO_zNnzSs0

Eiralox · Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:33 am

Its either gibus or elsa for me. My vote will shift elsa tommorow if I see gibus is going nowhere.

Anti-James is elon musk btw

Eiralox · Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:38 am

Vivax ur seeing fairies again

Eiralox · Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:09 am

Ive been gunning for gibus all day now but when elsa revotes there suddenly its making sense? After eira/nm scum? Eh bloobottle baboon sanitizer salesmen and a thrumpty hooter. Let em bathe in milk for biscuits rain from the skies

Eiralox · Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:12 am

Vivax and gib been buddy buddy all day. Now that elsa votes nm and revotes gibus.... what changed? Our marriage.