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Post Post #2066 (isolation #200) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:07 am

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In post 2023, Aristeia wrote:I don't understand how Pavowski continues to get away with doing nothing
I mean should we wagon him? I also dont feel like he's done much but my gut is that it'll end similar to beat
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #201) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:08 am

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In post 2031, marcistar wrote:just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that
In post 2034, marcistar wrote:like its true

idrc for being forced to give reads
even so, i dont even knowwhat my reads are rn, im so confused abt everything and i was purposely trying to fade out yeah.
Ok this is like precisely scummy for marci >.>
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #202) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:10 am

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In post 2041, GuiltyLion wrote:also if skitt is town here I think she's so focused on trying to find the deepwolf that she's going to bat too much for the slots that have decent odds of being wolves on account of non-impactful/scummy play (Pav, marci, Gamma)
More like we just did that for beat and it didnt work, and i'm not convinced that 'looking scummy' = 'scum', esp. in this context

Like i would be kinda surprised if there were more than one scum in there
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #203) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:12 am

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In post 2045, Aristeia wrote:if scum don't bus it will be very hard for 7 out of 9 town to agree on an elim

the game feels slow for some reason
Yeah and it felt the same way yesterday
So ig the question is: do scum not care and are just watching us bicker while twiddling their thumbs
Or are they trying to prevent a scum wagon

I'm kinda leaning towards the former, a lot of others a leaning towards the latter
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Post Post #2074 (isolation #204) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:15 am

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Marci's stuff from like irl today (i.e. refusing to give reads, losing energy when pushed) i think is actually pretty prototypical of her scumgame

@ ari honestly even if i dont necessarily want to flip him i'm not opposed to wagoniing him and seeing what happens

(Yes i'm aware i'm talking abt marci here too, i'm kinda ok with both now)

Pedit >.>
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #205) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:16 am

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Ahhhh ok lets try it
VOTE: pavowski
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #206) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:17 am

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We know how well that turns out lol >.>
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #207) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:20 am

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In post 2079, marcistar wrote:
In post 2074, skitter30 wrote:losing energy when pushed) i think is actually pretty prototypical of her scumgame
i lost energy even before i was pushed tbhs but sure lets say its because i got pushed :kekw:
Ok fair enuf - do u have any reads whatsoever you'd like to share?
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #208) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:21 am

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In post 2082, Aristeia wrote:i think we try our best and if we lose it's not a big deal let's not stress about it
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #209) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:24 am

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Idk if those are my top scumreads, i said before that i scumread like 2/3 of the game so a lot of things are a big muddle

So i'm trying to look at things from different angles to see if they make more sense that way

I dont have a cohesive explanation for everything that's going on
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #210) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:39 am

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I'm working on it

But i dont think its a disconnect. Given beat was town and it was a p popular wagon, i think there can be one or two scum onwagon and the rest thought it was p likely to go through so didnt feel the need to do much else or explore other options (even if they were not on beat)
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #211) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:49 am

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The beat and gamma wagons felt kinda similar to me, and i was never convinced either were scum

It felt like when enuf people started protesting gamma and gl presented beat as an alternative, peopoe drifted there instead
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #212) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am

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Marci any answer to the reads question
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #213) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:04 pm

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ok can you at least summarize the reads that you have, even if they haven't changed?
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #214) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:05 pm

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In post 2094, skitter30 wrote:ok can you at least summarize the reads that you have, even if they haven't changed?
marci are you goign to answer this or nah?
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #215) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:06 pm

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maybe i am untunneled on isis
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #216) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:26 pm

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i would care a lot more about how i'm being perceived as scum, and would make more effort to make a clean trajectory
wouldn't be pushign ari as scum

scummy - i'm not trying all that hard and i can rightfully be accused of being surface level or having opportunistic reads
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #217) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:50 pm

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i mean why tho, i could have faked that
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #218) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:40 pm

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In post 2118, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because my main worry was that your recently play felt trivially rote, so you addressing that helped

I dont understand how i addressed this concern
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Post Post #2122 (isolation #219) » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:43 pm

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Yes i was looking at that and thought something was wrong >.>
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #220) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:30 am

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In post 2130, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2120, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2118, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because my main worry was that your recently play felt trivially rote, so you addressing that helped

I dont understand how i addressed this concern
The part you said was scummy was about the concern I had
Ok but how does me acknowledging it make you feel better
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #221) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:27 am

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In post 2108, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2094, skitter30 wrote:ok can you at least summarize the reads that you have, even if they haven't changed?
marci are you goign to answer this or nah?
Marci :(
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #222) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:32 am

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Sure but a response saying that was the plan would have been helpful

Do you have anything off the cuff?
Like i dont need deep wallposts, but like a very broad tierlist of names i dont think is unreasonable to ask for sooner
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Post Post #2228 (isolation #223) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:32 pm

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In post 2167, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 2074, skitter30 wrote:Marci's stuff from like irl today (i.e. refusing to give reads, losing energy when pushed) i think is actually pretty prototypical of her scumgame
skitt I wanted to ask, is this based on direct experience with her? if so, which games
ffery's tarot mafia
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this is where most of my impression of her scumgame stems from

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i'm liking neither pav nor marci rn
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Post Post #2230 (isolation #224) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:34 pm

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In post 2179, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: gamma emerald
fuck it, I'm clearly not fucking welcome in this game
don't understand where this is stemming from today
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #225) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:35 pm

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In post 2198, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not sure if this really holds up or makes sense but I have this feeling that if Gamma is scum then marci is highly likely to be a partner because of Gamma's TR on marci and the way they don't seem to have interactions meant to sort each other, also it would mean scum!Gamma got really defensive about the idea that they were paired

but I don't think it works the other way, like a marci scumflip wouldn't necessarily point me to Gamma scum, I could see worlds where marci's been tunneling her to rile her up

p-edit: I mean I'm voting marci and I don't think your reasons for townreading her are very good

the thing I'm trying to work through right now is if Pav is more likely to be scum and if I should switch there, or if this is some kinda intentional counterwagon on town to derail from a scum!marci wagon
ig i'm not sure about marci championing a gamma wagon for much of day1 - that seems anti-partner-y to me
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Post Post #2232 (isolation #226) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:38 pm

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In post 2229, Aristeia wrote:i wish i could help you more but my brain is like cooked and the words are blurring together hope you are town skitter pls carry me <3
>.>

i think pav's kinda uninspiring
and i kinda don't like that marci has literally no reads that she can share off the top of her head without major prompting

ig just feelign like there's a lot of options to vote rn and idk how to find the scum in them
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ok sounds like a plan
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #228) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:03 pm

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what are the things that concern you again?
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Post Post #2287 (isolation #229) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:58 pm

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In post 2242, Coral wrote:At the time, Gamma had 5 votes, and skitter was sort of conflicted on her while also not townreading her, as seen in 928, and was willing to vote there. Whatever skitter's read is, though, it seems she should understand the basis for the Gamma suspicion even if she doesn't quite feel it in her heart. So I don't think Gamma would be what she's referring to as a weird scumread.

Beat and Pavowski weren't main wagons at the time, but I'm not sure they qualify as weird scumreads? I think at that point both felt like they were struggling to fit into the crowd in a way that could be scummy.
I was referring more to the beat/pav reads than the gamma one.
Or at least to the fact that she was scumreading all 3 (and even proposing all 3 were a team) and i couldnt wrap my head around it, i was p sure that wasnt the team (and i was right, beat wasnt scum). Its too easy, and those people may not have been acting *townie* but that doesnt make them scum either

(Kinda like rn i have a hard time believing all of gamma/marci/pav are scum, which i also discussed recently)

I'm still not sure where her teamreads were coming from

Ari was saying gamma, pav, and didnt include beat, and that felt less 'off' to me than the version with beat, so that's why i dont think i called that out specifically
In post 2242, Coral wrote:she does go on to question Ari, not liking her vote on Gamma, and votes her, mostly citing Ari's attempts to gain thread control. She does have an interesting interaction with Ari later, at around 1204, where she objects to the idea that she is derailing the Gamma wagon. I think a lot of the points Ari makes in this exchange are pretty good.
Not sure what the point is here or why this bit is scum-indicative
I thought the way ari was interacting with the gamma wagon was prototypical of her scumgame if gamma was town
She even agreed with me that she was 'vibing and getting thread influence via vibing', which is how she would approach this as scum, ajd she thinks that the way i was worried abt this is town-indicative for me
In post 2242, Coral wrote:Then, skitter does similar to GL. After being absent for a bit, GL catches up, and makes a few posts talking about his rising scumreads on Gamma and marci, in posts like 1942, 1945, 1946. skitter then posts 1948, discrediting his marci push in a way that I think is quite scummy, actually, calling it "bandwagon-y" despite GL providing quite a few reasons. After GL re-summarizes them in 1981, skitter just thanks him and moves on. The thing that I find especially strange about this whole interaction is that skitter's immediate reaction to the Beat flip was that she scumread most of the names on the wagon. But when GL starts focusing on the names on the wagon, skitter seems to be questioning why he would do that at all. It doesn't track.
I thought it was bandwagon-y: marci became a popular wagon and gl decided to join it, and i didnt understand where the scumread came from, or even why he was scumreading her

He reiterated his reasons and i undersood it better and he did have some merit (esp since marci started acting scummier imo around then) so i dropped it

And i wasnf questioning 'why he would look for scum onwagon', i was questioning why he settled for marci
In post 2242, Coral wrote:All three of these instances feel to me like punishing players or dismantling their credibility for voicing suspicions on Gamma, specifically, whether directly or indirectly. But throughout this time, skitter maintains close to a nullread on Gamma herself. Sometimes she can see the arguments, or maybe even would be willing to vote, but it's not ever a primary suspicion, and it's not ever a full townread. I would expect this kind of defense to come from someone who is townreading Gamma, but she isn't exactly.

None of these really feel to me like skitter is hunting scum, either. Her primary focus is on people's reads, and why they shouldn't be having them. She does suspect Titus, but seems to drop it later. She votes Ari, but that suspicion has mostly faded as well. I think she's still scumreading GL, but then she votes his preferred elim. It feels like her suspicions come and go based on what is convenient to her positioning, and not based on genuine reasons to townread or scumread people.
I mean, i'm not sure why you're reading this as 'punishing players and dismantling credibility' vs 'discussing reads, particularly ones i disagree with'. The former is scum-indicative, but i dont think the latter is, and i'm not sire why you're ascribing the former motivations to me when that's not what i'm doing and not really how i play
I do object to reads i disagree with
I'm not 'punishing' anybody

And yeah my gamma read was never a strong townread (and i never described it as such), but the reasons for scumreading him were poor, and i didnt understand why we were settling there (esp. In the ari case) so i wanted to discuss and undedstand how/why people were pushing him
- titus's read i never understood, and the teamread looked wronf
- ari's approach looked particularly scum-indicative for her
- gl read had nothing to do with gamma

I also object to the notion that i'm 'not hunting scum, and that my primary focus is on people's reads and why they shouldnt be having them'
- i have like 8 billion scumreads, and townread very few people
- i cant work through all of them at once, but i have been sharing my suspicions as i have them
- this makes me wary of several of the popular wagons, because i'm p sure that not all of the people who are widely scumread as scum, and idk how to pick the right wagon rn
- trying to understand people's reads: well i need to sort them too, ajd this is mafia, idk what else to talk about and how to do that? Not sure what else i should be focusing on
- and yeah if i think reads are wrong i'll say that. What should i be doing instead?
In post 2242, Coral wrote:specifically, I'm not even sure if this makes sense for skitter to be partners with Gamma. One of them will have to flip first, and this kind of consistent chainsawing would be very incriminating. So I'm kind of at a loss. It's something that I see that to me doesn't look like it fits with a consistent town mindset, and something that normally would have scum motivation, but... I'm not really sure that it's right, due to the way the setup works. I'm worried a little bit that I'm just seeing the game from the completely wrong angle, but maybe if I am then posting my thought process will allow someone to help reorient me.
I mean, yeah
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Post Post #2288 (isolation #230) » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:58 pm

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In post 2247, Gamma Emerald wrote:I didn't read 2242, I did read 2244
Then read 2242
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #231) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:00 am

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In post 2255, Titus wrote:Coral, what if it's Skitter Pav?
Ok and i'm sitting on pav rn because
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Post Post #2290 (isolation #232) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:01 am

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In post 2277, Isis wrote:I think if there's town in skitter gamma it's always gamma
Nope
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Post Post #2291 (isolation #233) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:03 am

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In post 2279, Aristeia wrote:like do you think skitter is bussing Pavo?

if Pavo is town

and Gamma is town

then i dunno how we win because niether of them are really playing

just throw the towel in and concede
Fwiw i dont think this world is impossible and yeah we just lose here since at least one of the flips is prob inevitable

Even if one.is scum it's very hard to like distinguish town in beat/marci/gamma/pav and i think a lot of the wagons are gonna stem from there because they're all very wagonable

Since that's unlikely to contain the whole team i think there's a decent chsnce we lose cuz of it
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Post Post #2293 (isolation #234) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:12 am

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I mean from my pov that's just wrong
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Post Post #2295 (isolation #235) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:15 am

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Idk what you mean by that
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #236) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:21 am

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I've been saying that repeatedly, and trying to convince people of that for a while, and apparently i'm 'not hunting scum, and that my primary focus is on people's reads and why they shouldnt be having them'

I dont think rhe onus should be on me if you guys aren't being townie-enuf to not be wagoned, and its also kinda silly that i'd be getting blamed/scumread for trying to stop it and also not stopping it enough
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #237) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:06 am

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In post 2321, Coral wrote:Ari, I like this idea, but 1000% town is pretty high. I'm not sure that I'm that confident in anyone. I know that lowering the threshold of confidence makes this less useful, but I don't think it will be super useful as is either. Can it be, like, people where you would feel a strong desire to protest their elimination today?

Just checking in briefly, will respond to other stuff later

pedit: i don't quite follow why it would be better tomorrow than today, but I'll try to think about it
I would like a response to my response when you hvae a chance plz

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Post Post #2404 (isolation #238) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:06 am

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In post 2331, marcistar wrote:lolol lets just flip scum then
Marci you still owe us deeper scumreads from yesterday
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #239) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:09 am

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In post 2352, Coral wrote:according to skitter if ari wants to be leading then she's more likely to be scum

you know what they say about the best leaders being those who don't want the power
Not exactly, more like if she's trying to obliquely get her way without really solving she's scum

If she gives up some of that control/influence/thread power (i.e. like she's doing now, offering to sheep me) she's likelu town

(I've changed my mind on ari)
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #240) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:11 am

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HEAL: ari
HEAL: meuh

Also I would add tuf to the list of marci/gamma/pav/beat

Who literally cannot all be scum
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #241) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:18 am

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Ok so i'm viewing that as an excuse not to share them, which i find scummy
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Post Post #2411 (isolation #242) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:28 am

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Yes
My point is if we flip in that group both yesterday/today because we couldn't correctly pick out scum, we'll have a very tough elo

I want a vc but i'm prob switching to marci
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Post Post #2417 (isolation #243) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:38 am

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@gl honestly all 4 rank fairly similarly to me rn, but no idea how to pick out scum accurately with how they're playing

@ari fwiw i'm just gonna note the widespread enthusiasm of this idea vs the traditional voting which gor stalled. Makes me wonder if ine of those wagons were on scum
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Post Post #2426 (isolation #244) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:56 am

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In post 2420, Aristeia wrote:it is actually kind of wild to me that Pavo voted for me and you when we almost threw him off the boat like 2 days ago -.-
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #245) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:33 pm

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In post 2432, Pavowski wrote:
In post 2426, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2420, Aristeia wrote:it is actually kind of wild to me that Pavo voted for me and you when we almost threw him off the boat like 2 days ago -.-
Same
I'm weird like that, I don't assume people voting me are evil

Also as you pointed out, it's probably tricky for scum to pull an advantage out of this little plan, so that makes you suggesting it pretty +town
i don't think i suggested it?
ari did

why are you even townreading me
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #246) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:43 pm

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In post 2441, Pavowski wrote:
In post 2437, GuiltyLion wrote:I prob should have asked this yesterday but can you explain why scum!skitt would be
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strong in defending you if you are town? Doesn't it serve her to let you get miseliminated? what benefit would WK-ing you specifically for her here?
I'm saying if scumskitt were going to bother defending my slot, she'd put a little more work into it than just saying "pav's not scummy" and leave it at that, which is how I remembered it

Which is evidence to me of townskitt, who does not want me mislimmed if she's TRing me, which I figured she was at the time
this is very dubious logic to me
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #247) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:44 pm

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In post 2444, Meuh wrote:
In post 2443, GuiltyLion wrote:wait hold up that scum game that skitter was basing her point off of was from a year ago and marci had 11 posts

hard to feel that's a genuine point of reference when marci's had much stronger scum performances since then...
I’ve read through it before, and that game is legitimately the worst frame of reference for Marci’s scum game you could have. :lol:
that's the only game i played with scum-her >.>
that's my only point of reference
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Post Post #2450 (isolation #248) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:45 pm

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In post 2446, marcistar wrote:Pavowski
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #249) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:08 pm

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In post 2454, Coral wrote:I do think that some of your posts in the later interaction with Ari, such as 1161 are scummy because it feels like you are saying that Ari isn't allowed to vote Gamma unless she has a strong case. It's a standard that you aren't holding most people to, so it feels selective and intentionally chosen.
i mean, yeah, it was. it was ari-specific scumread (which i think is relatively clear from context) - at the time, i thought the way that ari was allowing marci to lead the wagon (while not even having a strong read on gamma) was scummy, for ari in particular, in that she was allowing a probable misflip to happen while keeping her hands clean

(i have since changed my mind on ari)
In post 2454, Coral wrote:Because for the most part it doesn't feel like a discussion. I'm not sure how calling Titus' reads weird is starting a discussion. And I think in some places, like I mentioned above with 1161, your focus seems to be primarily on the read and not on why that makes the person more likely to be scum.
as above, the fact that ari didn't seem to have a strong scumread on gamma is why i thought it was scummy. so i was tryign to understand the read to see if i was missing something
like if gamma is town
and ari is scum
she probably doesn't have a real read on him
but scum-her would be very happy to let marci misflip gamma
and that's the universe i was worried abt
so i was trying to understand the read better / how ari was approaching gamma to understand if she actually wanted him flipped cuz she scumread him or because she's scum and wanted the misflip

so i was focusing on the read
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Post Post #2470 (isolation #250) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:09 pm

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marci you don't have to iso isis

just like why do you have bad vibes from her in like a sentence
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #251) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:12 pm

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i'd be happy if you just gave a couple of reasons or can reference a couple of things she's done that you think are scummy
depending on what you'd say maybe i'd ask for examples but i really just want ot start there
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #252) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:41 pm

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In post 2493, marcistar wrote:im not good at this stuff im sorry its mostly just vibes and then i went to try and find the vibes and then tried to explain why i had the vibes but idk if this is exactly what ive been meaning
just say its vibes and thats it
Ty marci, i really appreciate that you wrote so much out in such detail, this helps me understand how you're viewing her and the game
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Post Post #2513 (isolation #253) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:42 pm

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In post 2499, Aristeia wrote:steph curry went 0/9 from three point land in game 5 and the warriors still won

it's just a game.
Great analogy, ty

I actually dont really want to vote marci anymore

I think in the pav/gamma/tuf/marci group i want to vote pav the most
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Post Post #2514 (isolation #254) » Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:43 pm

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Oh huh now marci/pav/fruit are tied ...
Marci you maybe want to unvote and vote one of the other two?
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #255) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:52 am

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Well unless you think you're scum your present vote is not going to help us flip scum ...
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Post Post #2526 (isolation #256) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:37 am

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vla until monday
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Post Post #2541 (isolation #257) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:49 pm

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- i think we can take tuf as a refusal. I dont think cakez knows abt this, but if he doesnt share like tonight i think we should just bucket him as a quasi-refusal and move on
- i think ay least one of the leading wagons is on scum, but certainly not all. I think pav is most likely to be scum

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Post Post #2544 (isolation #258) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:57 pm

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I dont think its exactly all 3 of them

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Post Post #2549 (isolation #259) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:17 pm

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The thing with uglyfruit is that ay this point he's just refusing to understand how the forum works
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Post Post #2551 (isolation #260) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:22 pm

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A little bit yeah
Or at least i no longer townread him
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Post Post #2556 (isolation #261) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:00 pm

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I would prefed if he made an effort and didnt understand over whatever he's doing now

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Which is now delayed to 11pm >.>
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #262) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:37 pm

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In post 2561, Pavowski wrote:
In post 2556, skitter30 wrote:I would prefed if he made an effort and didnt understand over whatever he's doing now

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@ari: no, no at ~6:15pm they rebooked me on a flight leaving at 4:30pm the same day
Which is now delayed to 11pm >.>
Oh and safe travels Skitter, airport foibles are no fun =\
While i appreciate this, do u have any game related thoughts (specifically pertaining to the fact that people want to flip you?)

Thanks everyone <3
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Post Post #2568 (isolation #263) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:45 pm

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In post 2560, Pavowski wrote:I don't think there's a chance in hell Marci and TUF are scum together, and .... man I still don't think Marci's play here is particularly towny but I'm having a hard time continuing to scumread her here

As for not doing anything, well ... a lot of the lobby wants me dead, and I've given the reads and votes I can, I'm not sure what else I can offer at the moment except maybe by getting flipped. Which, you know. Suboptimal for me but whatever
Sorry, i thought gl wrote this post for some reason
Ok so does this imply u think tuf is scum?

What do u think scum is doing rn ?
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #264) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:24 am

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In post 2589, The Ugly Fruit wrote:I see Im getting the majority vote atm the moment, No comment
Like at this point, this just seems evasive
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #265) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:25 am

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In post 2597, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2595, The Ugly Fruit wrote:What's the current discussion topic about?
we're talking about who to kill

I've been elected Queen and I'll make a decision soon.

I am happy to hear everyone's thoughts about who they want to kill.
Pav at this point
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #266) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:38 am

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Ugh I'm going back to tuf-town
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #267) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:18 am

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Faker!!!! Hello!
Are u scum?
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Post Post #2669 (isolation #268) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:24 am

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No not necessarily
On balance i think that ur more likely town that not but like not a shining examplar od towniness or anything

But there's a large-ish group of players (gamma/you, marci, tuf, pav, beat yestersay) that are surface-level scummy

They're certainly not all scum, and the consensus top picks for scum are in that group, but idk how to correctly pick scum out of that group rn

(And i have little confidence in my ability to confidentally read u, maybe i'll just outsource to ari idk)
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #269) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:41 am

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In post 2673, Faker wrote:
In post 2669, skitter30 wrote:(And i have little confidence in my ability to confidentally read u, maybe i'll just outsource to ari idk)
I don't think outsourcing a read on me to anyone is a good idea, at least not as far as I've seen onsite.

It might be harder, but I imagine it is significantly more accurate to just meta Gamma.
I mean >.>
We know that ari reads u better than i do

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Post Post #2719 (isolation #270) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:54 am

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In post 2686, Faker wrote:
In post 2682, skitter30 wrote:I mean >.>
We know that ari reads u better than i do
You're a lot more confident than I am, suit yourself!
In post 2689, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2682, skitter30 wrote:We know that ari reads u better than i do
I don't think that game is an accurate representation of skill or my ability to read her because 90% of the read was based on mech - I am probly worse than you when it comes to reading people in a mountainous game.
Fair enuf
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #271) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:56 am

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In post 2706, Faker wrote:
In post 2544, skitter30 wrote:It is now 7:55pm. I got to the airport at 6pm for a 8:30pm flight. After i got to the airport, the following has happened, in order (and i got informed via app, it was impossible to speak to an agent):
- flight got cancelled
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Get, and I truly cannot emphasize this enough, absolutely WRECKED lmao
Didnt take off till 12am >.>
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Post Post #2728 (isolation #272) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:13 pm

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I was explaining the general state of the universe rn, and how those slots are perceived given that they were the focus of many players, and that people were wanting to sr them (and/or wagon them) for what i found to be meh reasons

I initally started off townreading marci and tuf and kinda gamma
I waa then scumreading like all
In the last irl day or two i've gone back to thinking marci/tuf are probably town and that i have no compelling reason to sr gamma or flip him

Which is why i'm presently on pav

I was explaining my difficulties with the game, and why i think the 'just flip through them' strategy is not wise
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Post Post #2729 (isolation #273) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:13 pm

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I think i'm being less aggressive than i often am
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #274) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:16 pm

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I mean my entire argument this dayphase has been tuf/marci/pav/gamma are the widely sr slots and i think there's max 2 scum in there, but more likely 1

I also gotta bounce for the weekend, have a great weelend everyone!
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #275) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:19 pm

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In post 2731, Faker wrote:Depends on the situation, last time I replaced into a game that was mostly under her control she didn't have a great time...though my replacement in turn wound up posing 5x the issue I did.
I'm completely blanking, what is this?
(If its on ur main that's fine, you dont have to link or anything)

Pedit i'm having a hard time coming to a confident read on gamma too. Yeah my read on him is prob better than my read on u, but i dont want to bet on it

If i had to pick he's town but not confident in that
I've also been saying this for a lot of the game
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Post Post #2737 (isolation #276) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:20 pm

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*but i dont want to bet on my read on gamma
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Post Post #2739 (isolation #277) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:23 pm

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In post 2735, Faker wrote:You should be fairly familiar with his meta and play; surface-level scummy isn't a surprise for people who haven't played with him before. It's straightforward to exploit that trait as scum.
Also for context i've been objecting to his wagon for a lot of the wagon, people have actually been partner-reading me with him

I dont think anyone would argue that i'm exploiting his surface-level scumminess to try to flip him
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Post Post #2954 (isolation #278) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:50 pm

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I'm kinda confused by some of the people put in that group (specifically tuf and titus)
So i guess 2 of faker marci coral cakez meuh

Meuh's last couple of posts eod were kinda icky
Coral i feel is probably town
Marci too

Ig for now i want to do this
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #279) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:57 pm

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In post 2955, Faker wrote:I explicitly flagged the fact that Pavowski freezes up as scum and called him on it directly.

Bussing when required is one thing but after the specific way it happened, go back to the drawing board, that's a fucking disgusting vote.
I'm not sure what your point is, he was close to inevitable when you did that
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Post Post #2971 (isolation #280) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:03 pm

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@faker what is the point of this post?
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #281) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:04 pm

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I still think marci is town tbh
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Post Post #2995 (isolation #282) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:47 pm

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In post 2956, Faker wrote:
In post 2869, Faker wrote:Pav, were you at all interested in the case (marcistar on Isis) you were linked after you requested it?
This post was made after he was explicitly shown as online. The intent was to see if he could show up immediately or if he would pretend to be gone/put it off out of fear. The specific question comes from 2589.
In post 2871, Faker wrote:Intent to hammer by midnight EST if Pav doesn't show up btw, I think Coral is leaning that way already but I'd really like more from The Dude.

Online earlier and didn't respond to my callout question, which I am interpreting as THE FROZEN ONE
He failed with flying colors.
You seem to be arguing that these two posts are evidence of you being disaligned with pav

I'm saying this is ridiculous because at that point pav was looking p likely and scum-you is incentivized to bus, so why shouod this be clearing
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Post Post #2997 (isolation #283) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:49 pm

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In post 2994, Faker wrote:Not worth dialoguing about, waiting for skitter to read or other players to check in.
And what do u think i havent read exactly?
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #284) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:03 pm

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In post 2998, Faker wrote:
In post 2995, skitter30 wrote:You seem to be arguing that these two posts are evidence of you being disaligned with pav

I'm saying this is ridiculous because at that point pav was looking p likely and scum-you is incentivized to bus, so why shouod this be clearing
It is not explicitly clearing if that is your concern. It is merely a reason that can be waived away if you really want.

I don't think there ground to be had here so I will suggest a different approach.

viewtopic.php?t=89546&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
Soooo what was the point of , as i asked originally ?

I was ~nulltown on gamma but i think u've been scummy thus far
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Post Post #3010 (isolation #285) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:05 pm

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In post 3004, Faker wrote:Something you seem to believe is that the fact no one had in fact blitzed Pavowski was a factor in my hammer. It was not even remotely a factor in my actual hammer.
Why did u hammer then
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Post Post #3013 (isolation #286) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:09 pm

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In post 3011, Faker wrote:
skitter30 wrote:Soooo what was the point of , as i asked originally ?
In post 2998, Faker wrote:It is merely a
reason
legitimate progression that can be waived away if you really want.
Ok
I fail to see why i should townread u for that progression
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Post Post #3017 (isolation #287) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:13 pm

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Sorry, i'm exhausted >.>
You did indeed answer that already

Not sure i want to depend on gamma tbh, i cant read him either

If ari tells me you're town i'll drop it but otherwise i'm satisfied voting u rn
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #288) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:43 pm

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I'm actually getting increasingly sus of meuh
VOTE: meuh
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Post Post #3053 (isolation #289) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:45 am

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Always
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Post Post #3082 (isolation #290) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:23 am

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In post 3057, Isis wrote:
In post 3056, marcistar wrote:ill tell u a secret okay?

Spoiler:
i kinda originally didnt wanna play anymore after being wrong on beat, and now i kinda EVEN MORE dont wanna play anymore after not seeing thru pavs deception
this reads like a scumpost who would feel this way after failing to read Pav,

it's like beating yourself up for not being able to read a fingerprint using only a 1 millimeter square of it
i mean it isn't helpful, but it also doesn't read that way
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Post Post #3083 (isolation #291) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:24 am

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In post 3064, Meuh wrote:
In post 3051, skitter30 wrote:I'm actually getting increasingly sus of meuh
VOTE: meuh
Why?
i think most of your play yesterday was angling *away* from joining pav - you were ok with it early in the day, but then spent forever sitting on marci, and then when pav was getting wagoned you had that weird post where you voted gl, and all the reads in it were just, uh, really questionable
and it looked like another attempt to start a wagon away from pav

in short you look like a pav partner
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Post Post #3084 (isolation #292) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:25 am

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In post 3078, Isis wrote:I guess I don't really townread a single thing skitter has done all game either but I'm t
he game has some confbias concerns for me there
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i mean, yes
why exactly do you scumread me even?
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Post Post #3086 (isolation #293) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:27 am

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sorry, i was thinking tuf but wrote out marci for some reason >.>

either way the long vote-sit on tuf is sus given the alternative wagons and context
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Post Post #3090 (isolation #294) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:51 am

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whta do u think it's subsequent impact on the game is ?
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Post Post #3092 (isolation #295) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:02 am

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i ... don't even know how to respond to that since that's had like nothing to do with my read on you
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Post Post #3094 (isolation #296) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:11 am

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no, i have no idea what i have to do with titus
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Post Post #3096 (isolation #297) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:14 am

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i forgot that titus was clear
and i thought u were asking me: if i flip scum does my scumflip indicate that titus is town
and my response was ???? because if i flip scum i see no connection to titus

~

wrt what you're actually asking: idk i didn't really think about it, but probably not
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Post Post #3100 (isolation #298) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:25 am

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because i didn't
i do agree that i would try to slip in something like that as scum, but i also as town didn't think about such things

i probably would not have cleared titus, i think i would have cleared ari / gl / coral / meuh (if town?) / i'm not sure the fifth
maybe titus would have been the fifth if i couldn't think of anyone better but not like super high on the list of people that i would want to clear

~

why do u think i bussed pav again?

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Post Post #3101 (isolation #299) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:30 am

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In post 3099, Coral wrote:
In post 2728, skitter30 wrote:I initally started off townreading marci and tuf and kinda gamma
I waa then scumreading like all
In the last irl day or two i've gone back to thinking marci/tuf are probably town and that i have no compelling reason to sr gamma or flip him
Skitter, what brought you from this to voting Faker in ? And also, you say here that you were scumreading all of them at some point earlier, can you point out when that was specifically for Gamma?
gamma had a couple of posts that i thought were townie for him (, conviction about his cake read and the meta he said on it, ), but it was never a strong read (and i believe i've said that at least twelve times)
it wasn't really him, more how he was the popular scumread when i didn't see why he was scummy either

i didn't like faker's entrance but when i thought abt it some more i changed my mind / am unsure if it's scum-indicative for her
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #300) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:39 am

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it is unfortunate for your read that my play wrt pav doesn't look like partners ...

not really sure i have much else to add if you're basically telling me that your read boils down to confbias that you don't particularly seem to care to re-examine in light of new information

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Post Post #3108 (isolation #301) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:45 am

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In post 3103, Coral wrote:I knew all of that already, I was kinda hoping for more detail. The quoted post implies that you scumread gamma at some point, am I misinterpreting? And what about Faker's entrance did you not like, specifically?
no, i wasn't really scumreading gamma
i was lightly townreading him and suspicious of the fact that he kept on getting wagoned, which to me seems not-scum-indicative

what sort of detail would you like?

wrt faker: (that seems like a weird thought for someone town to have)
dislike that she started pushing marci out of the gate (which is probably one of the easier flips to get ...), esp. since her initial read on her was 'town with not a lot of confidence' () , and has her as 'kinda town' in
and then after i voted her and were pre-emptively defensive / trying to demonstrate how she's not a pav partner when nobody had really brought that up
(also kinda similar to what meuh is trying to do in
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Post Post #3109 (isolation #302) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:46 am

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In post 3107, Isis wrote:Faker has a poorer wagon seat admittedly

I consider her stock similar to yours

Your vote on her is kewl
i mean i'm not anymore, now i'm voting meuh
but faker is probably the second person i'd push
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #303) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:48 am

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i mean i don't think they're obvtown, their behavior yesterday was p much exactly what a pav partner would be doing
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Post Post #3114 (isolation #304) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:52 am

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when you say 'all day' you mean this phase?
because i would argue that she has not been visibly thinking abou tthe game all day
or at least would ask u that quote posts where you think she's been doing that
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #305) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:54 am

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@coral, ah you're right, the 'kinda town' post was

and wrt the latter half of that quote: perhaps i worded it badly, imeant more like: i found marci/tuf/gamma (+ pav) to be in a sort of group where it would be hard to pick out scum, and they were being treated very similarly from most of the game, and i was having a hard time deciding which of them i wanted to vote and which i wanted to confident say was town
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Post Post #3118 (isolation #306) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:01 am

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your initial vote was right before the sundress party + gamma wagon thing, i don't think your vote was pivotal at all
he didn't get flipped day1
by the time day2 came around quite a few people were scumreading him, and you spent quite a while offwagon while it was happening

like pointing to a vote made 100 pages ago / early day1 as anti-partner-y when you stayed offwagon while the wagon was building day2 is kinda ?
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Post Post #3122 (isolation #307) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:19 am

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In post 3111, skitter30 wrote:i mean i don't think they're obvtown, their behavior yesterday was p much exactly what a pav partner would be doing
In post 3112, Isis wrote:Meuh has been visibly thinking about the game all day

She has had that "I was thinking about this game after my podcast ended on my drive to work" energy altho I think she's a full-time student look it's a metaphor
i mean i thought this is why you were townreading her, if you think she's town because of her pav associative's i'd love to hear why
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Post Post #3130 (isolation #308) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:51 am

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That didnt even occur to me but if that was the thought process that would point towards faker imo

@isis meuh also left the wagon p soon thereafter and stayed off until it was looking p inevitable
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #309) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:57 am

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faker
i'm not voting you rn
i'm pushing meuh

i recognize taht your point r.e. i should be reading gamma has merit and i switched off
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #310) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:09 am

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In post 3136, Isis wrote:
In post 3130, skitter30 wrote:That didnt even occur to me but if that was the thought process that would point towards faker imo

@isis meuh also left the wagon p soon thereafter and stayed off until it was looking p inevitable
You are so stubborn against reading anything except pure VCA

Should have randed a game with 12 bots
ok
i had written some other stuff here that i deleted upon seeing the pedit
i'm not interested in continuing this convo
maybe in post we can figure out where we crossed paths and why we're not seeing eye to eye but this is unpleasant
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Post Post #3144 (isolation #311) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:10 am

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In post 3141, Faker wrote:
In post 3130, skitter30 wrote:That didnt even occur to me but if that was the thought process that would point towards faker imo
This is the mental breaking point for me. Nothing you have described this game is anywhere even remotely close to the realm of how I think the scum alignment should be played.
why is marci your pick for who is scum out of the unconfirmed group?
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Post Post #3148 (isolation #312) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:24 am

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In post 2952, Faker wrote:
In post 2853, Faker wrote:Pavowski has literally not done a goddamn thing but get high as a kite and go "...Marci and Fruit, man, am I right?"
This makes me suspect Pavowski was S/S, perhaps this is giving too much credit but scum has to set up for the flips of escaping scum members.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was S/T and with Fruit cleared and (FMPOV) marcistar unexpectedly uncleared the straightforward answer is that she's likely scum.


VOTE: marcistar
this is the bit i don't get:
- why is this svs
- why would marci clear tuf, she's been anglign towards him
- i'm also not sure that your quote is an accurate description of pav's iso either. he doesn't have a ton of reads but he was sus of gamma-slot and tuf way more than he was of marci for much of day2
(fwiw you do look unaligned with him from his iso)
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #313) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:26 am

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In post 3147, Isis wrote:I'd post something mildly uncomfortable if I thought it was to wincon but I think that was only to catharsis so, I regret posting it
fair enuf, if u want to have an actual convo i'm happy to
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #314) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:39 am

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In post 3151, Faker wrote:I will keep these questions in mind when making my next vote, particularly if I am considering placing it on marcistar.
sure
i would like you to answer at some point because that is apparently your reason for voting marci and i find it fairly weak, and i do think it makes sense for scum-you to clear tuf to push marci for exactly that reason - your reason for pushing marci exactly dovetails with who was cleared in that pair, and if anybody would clear tuf for that reason you would
In post 3153, Isis wrote:Skitter what do you think about faker's emphasis on her own range atm
i don't get it, i'm not sure why she thinks i'm supposed to think she's outside of her range, or what i'm supposed to think scum-her does differently, or why i'm failing these expectations
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #315) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:41 am

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ok the latter bit is the bit that i apparently don't know then, i'm not sure why you consider these things to be that unlikely
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #316) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:53 am

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i resoundly don't believe faker is out of her range
and don't believe she thinks she is either

she's basically arguign that she thinks to do what i'm accusing her of would be so *bad* as scum that she would never do such a thing
and i'm kinda lost as to why:
- it would be so bad
- why she would never do such a thing

and she could argue this convincingly as scum whether or not it's true so i would kinda be wary of giving her points that she 'earnestly believes' anything that she's saying about her own scum meta
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Post Post #3165 (isolation #317) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:57 am

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In post 3163, Faker wrote:lol
i mean i learned my lesson well. would like to hear how you think i'm misunderstanding your scum meta here

(also if ur scum ur p obviously starting to set me up as a flip, just noting that i see that)
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Post Post #3171 (isolation #318) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:57 am

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In post 3169, Faker wrote:
In post 3166, Faker wrote:I don't leash myself to Gamma Emerald's posting ever because I strongly believe that he literally does not know how to play the game. I have a 5 year record of believing this, and skitter witnessed it firsthand in Slaughter Hour.
For further context, in something like 9/10 games of opposing alignments, I had a 100% record on reading Gamma
on Day 1
and a 100% record on getting him to townread me as scum.

His scum posting was so bad in one Micro that it instantly flipped my read on my (wrong) strongest TR to my strongest SR, which won the game outright. I flagged for him that he had a bad habit of putting his entire mafiateam in the scumpile across a good 4/5 games and he proceeded to do it again for another two. In Slaughter Hour, he had to force me out of the game and make a public display of breaking the "No outside communication" rule to salvage his slot.

People misread him, it does happen, and I especially know that some people unfamiliar with him get baited by his tone into miselimming him. Do I ever in a million years count on players reading scum-Gamma as town? Not in a million years.
this is a fair point, ty
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Post Post #3192 (isolation #319) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:40 pm

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Maybe meuh/marci
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Post Post #3224 (isolation #320) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:21 am

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In post 3218, Aristeia wrote:I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.
I really think its meuh, this just seems so scummy to me
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Post Post #3232 (isolation #321) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:10 am

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In post 3226, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3224, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3218, Aristeia wrote:I guess I'm just confused why Meuh decides to unvote where she did because

(1) Pavo didn't do anything townie
(2) the people voting Pavo and joining her weren't being scumread by her?

it's such a weird hop off to me.
I really think its meuh, this just seems so scummy to me
Basically this + my PoE has led me to Marci + Meuh
Any interest in joining me on meuh? I think the case on her is p compelling
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Post Post #3233 (isolation #322) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:11 am

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In post 3228, Meuh wrote:I thought about this all
At the start I scumread her -> realizing scum need 2 mislims, it feels less likely to play aggressively -> therefore Skitter!town seems likely -> remembering someone gets to escape -> scum will likely go with an aggressive and a passive player, to secure their wincon -> so, Skitter's play could fit within the ideals of the mafia
So you think i'm scum playing aggressively in order to escape tonight?

Ok ... who is my partner in this universe. I think its kinda unlikely i wouod play to escape if i wasnt confident that my partner would be able to endgame
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Post Post #3239 (isolation #323) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:15 am

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Meuh a few points:
- i lowkey feel like you decided i was scum, and then went through my iso to find things to support that conclusion

- i find it kinda interesting that you're at one relatively late stage in the preceedings describing me as staying on pav 'due to feeling its inevitable at that point': i was on him for several irl days at that point, ajd had ample opportunity to leave it before that point if i chose, but didn't

- as i explained several times: i found the tuf/marci/gamma/pav(+beat) groupijg to be difficult. I thought there was at least one scum there, but probably just one, and had little confidence that we were going to pick the right one (aside: really easy for my to hop off of pav onto marci, tuf, etc with this stance as his partner), and wanted for something better than just flipping through thr group. At some point or another, i saw something townie from the others, but never from pav, so at the moment i voted him ifelt the worst about him (and felt we were getting stuck on the other alternative wagons), and i never saw a reason to leave

- i had nothing to say to pav for most of the game: he had little content, and people prodding him didnt create more. Unsure what i was meant to add

- wrt potential partners: faker joined eod2, it was gamma before then. I think its unlikely i wouod have played to escape and leave gamma at the helm when he was so wildly suspected, and i wasnt

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Post Post #3241 (isolation #324) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:20 am

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I'm not sure, i'm going one at a time
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Post Post #3242 (isolation #325) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:21 am

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(Aside, it is p surprising to me that coral wasnt cleared)
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Post Post #3248 (isolation #326) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:06 am

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I'm just gonna say that i'm entirely baffled how people think ly play is partner-indicative with pav

you guys are both ignoring the context of about 10 posts prior where gl said he was sus of both pav and marci, and i was asking him why he settled on voting *marci* instead of pav (i.e. i was questioning the vote he made *instead* of voting pav) see:

Like yes if you gloss over relevant context, sure, i'm protecting pav there ...
(Fwiw i find cherrypicking quotes and taking things out of context to support an argument to be fairly scummy...)
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Post Post #3250 (isolation #327) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:19 am

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Fair enuf indeed, apologies
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #328) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:24 am

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More that i was reflecting yesterday that i should take into account the slaughter hour stuff

Pedit sure, but i dont think pushing gl for voting marci is protecting pav at all - if anything i should be *encouraging* the marci push since it would be a good distraction from pav (unless you want to argue i'm partners with marci, which i dont think either of u are up to)

Idk why attacking gl there really helps scum-me
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Post Post #3256 (isolation #329) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:29 am

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Like it's somehat confusing to me how the conclusion here is: this is indicative of partners with pav

I'm also baffled why if i'm scum with pav i:

Insist there's scum in pav/marci/gamma/tuf
Resist the marci wagon for a while
Eventually join the pav one (as one od the first votes)
And then just sit there till hammer without trying to get any other wagons?

So i'm purposefully trying to bus him
Why again?

Pedit i dont think that was my argument at all?
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #330) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:40 am

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Ok @faker if that was in jest i'll drop it

@coral ok fair enuf, i see ur point - but i think if i'm scum there, i probably look for other options instead of pav, and try to push those, instead of attacking someone who threw out an incidental sr on a partner but is pushing someone else entirely

Also i dropped it when i understood his progression on marci, i didnt need much else from the engagement
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Post Post #3267 (isolation #331) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:02 am

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In post 3228, Meuh wrote:At the start I scumread her -> realizing scum need 2 mislims, it feels less likely to play aggressively -> therefore Skitter!town seems likely -> remembering someone gets to escape -> scum will likely go with an aggressive and a passive player, to secure their wincon -> so, Skitter's play could fit within the ideals of the mafia
I'm still leaning scum on her at the moment, it's more my perspective on the way scum could and would play today that's change
In post 3261, Meuh wrote:Huh, you mean have Gamma escape in case of a mislim on day 2? If so I don't think that happens, Pav just escapes 100% of the time that night, regardless of the scum team imo
Or do you mean regarding escaping on this night? Like setting it up beforehand? If so I guess you might wanna play more passively? Though I feel like you weren't that aggressive on day 2 (tbh calling anyone "aggressive" feels weird but I guess I'm committed to it)
Ehat does this bit mean on this context? How do you think scum-me is playing the game

If i'm playing aggressively and plan to escape: who am i entrusting the game to tomorrow? Who is my partner?

If i'm playing passively, plz explain the first quote

- also i feel like you're conceding my points when i make them even if they dont fit your narrative, but then ending up with a scumread anyways
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Post Post #3268 (isolation #332) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:06 am

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Shoot i lost the first bit while quoting, one sec, there was more @meuh:

- you're descriving my play as being 'striking' and 'making you wary', and similar terms as these. What does that mean, and why is this scum-indicative? Rn these things seem to be shade to desribe discomfort but you're missing the bit where you explain why its scummy

- wrt marci/pav: pav was absent for large portions of the game, in perpetual catchup mode, and wasnt responding to other people asking for content. Not sure what i ahould have added. With marci, she was behaving in a manner cognizant with the one scumgame i've played with her (tarot mafia), and was specifically igniring me, which i felt to be scum-indicative, and her thoughts felt v surface level, so i kept prodding for more
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Post Post #3269 (isolation #333) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:07 am

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In post 3266, Isis wrote:VOTE: skitter30
Ok i think you're confbiased and idk how to talk u out of it, so i'm just gonna jump to the next part

If i flip town where do you look?
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Post Post #3271 (isolation #334) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:30 am

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Where's scum tho
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Post Post #3274 (isolation #335) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:39 am

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In post 3272, Isis wrote:Idk you tell me skitter you literally know more alignments than I do
.... you're set on misflipping me apparently, can you at least think about the consequences?
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Post Post #3277 (isolation #336) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:43 am

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In post 3275, Isis wrote:I mean r u gonna criticize me for failing to heavily consider skitter town faker scum
.I just wouldn't expect u to be that critic y'know
No, that's not where i was going at all
I want u to consider meuh scum

And i dont even care so mucy abt the town-me part, i want u to flip meuh upon my townflip (i.e. after i'm town and you dont havr to worry abt my alignment any more etc)
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Post Post #3281 (isolation #337) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:48 am

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In post 3278, Isis wrote:
In post 3274, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3272, Isis wrote:Idk you tell me skitter you literally know more alignments than I do
.... you're set on misflipping me apparently, can you at least think about the consequences?
I townread Coral, Cakez, meuh, and Faker (esp if youre green). If you flip town and Marci escapes then I have to reevaluate a townread. It's hard to get to that mindset without the shoes on the pavement
So from your pov the scumteam is exactly me/marci? You're already half wrong (ans i think you're fully wrong) so can u think abt the other worlds plz

@ari because u think she'll be under so much suspicion?
And from my pov that would be vastly annoying but ok
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Post Post #3283 (isolation #338) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:52 am

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Yeah fair enuf i keep forgetting abt escaping
I just think that would make tomorrow about 90 billioja times harder since idk who the third is

(I am starting to become increasingly suspiclous of coral tho)
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Post Post #3286 (isolation #339) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:00 pm

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Isis you also seem to want to view everything that i say or do in a scummy light. Idk what i did to get stuck in confbias land but you're also not remotely trying

There's 5 placea scum can be i think i know where 1 is (meuh), and i'm leaning away from marci and i need to consider the others

In contrast you're set on exactly 1 universe (that is, again, half wrong and probably fully wrong) and are refusing to consider other option
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Post Post #3288 (isolation #340) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:10 pm

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I mean i think you should try doing that, yes
Or at the very least think about whay happens to your reads if i flip town because you're just gonna get stuck doing that tomorrow in a worst position cuz the easy scum will be gone

I'm not asking u to vote your townreads, i'm asking you to consider if there might possibly be other worlds than the one where you've admitted your confbiased in

Me saying i'm suspicious of coral does not have to be read as 'me desperately trying to expand the flip pool' - its incredibly unlikely coral is going to be flipped today, so does it make sense for me scum-me to be doing that here? Why am i not trying to push marci? She'd be easier, no? Or faker rn? Yes you can argue i'm partners with one of them. But both?

Me asking you 'who is scum upon my townflip' does not mean that i'm abt to push faker (and idk why you think i was, i was angling towards meuh p clearly), that's a marrative you decided i was pushing, not something i actually am ...
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Post Post #3289 (isolation #341) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:11 pm

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Like you apparently think its exactly me/marci
And are creating narratives to explain what i'm doing in that light whether or not it makes sense
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Post Post #3324 (isolation #342) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:01 pm

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In post 3291, Faker wrote:I fuckin lied skitter this Beat push trash what the fuck
Hmmmmm?
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Post Post #3325 (isolation #343) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:02 pm

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In post 3296, Isis wrote:Nah I meant your push on meuh
I mean i think u shouod reconsider that, yes
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Post Post #3327 (isolation #344) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:05 pm

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It was like p2 or whatever amd the closest thing i had to a sr
I dropped it p fast
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Post Post #3330 (isolation #345) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:09 pm

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Indeed
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Post Post #3331 (isolation #346) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:09 pm

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Faker when ur done i would like to convince u to vote meuh plz
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Post Post #3333 (isolation #347) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:23 pm

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100%
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Post Post #3335 (isolation #348) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:05 pm

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more for her interactions with pav yesterday (namely joining the wagon early on and then dropping off when the wagon became high, and trying to start alternate wagons a couple of times (tuf, gl at eod))

+ her posting today is p scummy

but i think all of that is after p50 (i was townreading her at p50 i believe)
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Post Post #3385 (isolation #349) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:37 am

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In post 3368, Isis wrote:I think skitter did a similar thing a while ago. At least she acted like she would flip and I would have no information besides what she had just told me about her own alignment all along and "whaoaoao where do you wander from there then Isis?!?!?" Instead of like "I genuinely think Meuh is scum and you will let her escape"
I mean i've said that a few times too and you werent receptive
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #350) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:38 am

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(Well actually i forgot escaping was a thing for a bit but once i remembered / ari pointed that out i said that too)
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Post Post #3388 (isolation #351) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:39 am

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In post 3376, GuiltyLion wrote:I dunno I'm still trying to parse out how I feel overall

I think if I had to take a preliminary stab at it I'd go town to scum
marci->Coral->skitt->Meuh->Faker->Cakez

but these are all very close to each other and Faker/Cakez (while not impossible) doesn't quite scream correct solve to me
I really, really think meuh should be higher/first on this list
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Post Post #3389 (isolation #352) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:42 am

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In post 3375, Isis wrote:I guess I don't have a confident enough skitter read to disagree with a bunch of conftown
Who are u agreeing with abt what exactly
- ari thinks i'm town and thinks meuh is scum
- gl is pushing faker/cakez/meuh and just said he thinks me/mari are kinda townie (that's your exact scumteam apparently)
- tuf thinks its marci but also has no idea what's going this game
- idk what titus is thinking tbh

But what conftown am i telling you to disagree with again?
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Post Post #3391 (isolation #353) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:46 am

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Oh fair enuf, i misread it if that's ehat she means

If that is what she means that's a p bad argument imo
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Post Post #3393 (isolation #354) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:03 am

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Ok i give up trying to convince u otherwise then
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #355) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:13 am

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I ... just think we're completely talking past each other
This is frustrating me and idk how communicate better so i think i'm just going to try to end this convo again, and i guess see how well i can stick with that
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Post Post #3401 (isolation #356) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:16 am

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In post 3399, Coral wrote:I think that

a) She may not have had this entire plan in mind from the start. i think that her actions in phase 1 were to incrementally improve the position of the scumteam by repeatedly pushing back on the reads of people of people who were scumreading her partner, Pav (looking back, actually all of the people that i had initially called her out for attacking were scumreading pav. i thought it was about gamma, but i think you're right that it was establishing a fake link). she then has the option of bussing pav if necessary, and it gives her a fairly clean path out. but i think when she voted there she probably didn't expect the wagon to actually go through due to the general apathy and inactiveness of people. the pav lim came from you and isis, not from the votes. my guess would be that she wanted to be on record as voting pav early but actually let him escape

b) Even if she did have the entire plan in mind from the start, i don't see why she wouldn't do it? it seems like a pretty good plan to me
For a):
- i was on pav for several irl days, and saw that it was rising, and had ample opportunity to hop off if i wanted to. Saying that i 'wasnt expecting the wagon to go thru' is fairly counter to my actual behavior wrt the wagon

- related to the above: what do u think of meuh, who actually *did* hop off as the wagon grew. If anything, that looks fairly partner-y to me

- i also think it's more than a little unfavorable to wave away my vote on the wagon by saying 'it came from ari and isis', and not from votes

- i also think it's a little ??? to ascribe my day1 scumreads to 'attackijg people who are pushing my partner pav' instead of 'those were my actual scumreads'. Why do u think its the former and not the latter?

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- you said you've played with me before. I think it's *incredibly* unlikely that scum-me would choose to escape and leave the game for endgame in the hands of a partner unless i was confident said partner would win off of that setup. Answering that question is p pivotal to ascribing a scum motivation that makes sense for me in the universe ari outline, ans i dont believe you adequately answered this the last time i asked
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Post Post #3402 (isolation #357) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:25 am

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Cakez why are you prioritizing marci over meuh again?
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Post Post #3405 (isolation #358) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:32 pm

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@coral there were like 5 people on the wagon. The people *on* the eagon are not the reason it didnt go through, it's wild to me that you're saying that the people *on* wagon are the reason the game stalled

Also your argument for town-meuh basically boils down to her being too scummy to be scum? Also uh yeah i think she can hop off partner-meuh and not get flipped: there's literally like two people voting her rn, if that, ans i'm having quite the time trying to get more votes on her

Wrt my scumreads: i mean, it's possible that new things happened that changed my mind - ari dropped when she pushed the town leader thing, cuz i dont think she does as scum. I dont remember significantly scumreading titus, and gl i only dropped because he got conftowned (and i eould imagine if i'm conftowning people i'd have a better trajectory on the people conftowned - why do i pick a fight with an isis that i'm conftowning again?)

And ok, if i'm not planning on escaping, why am i playing so aggressively again? Dont remember if it was you or meuh but someone was saying me playing aggressively indicates i was planning on escaping. If i'm aggressive cuz i'm escaping then scum-me (due to how i play scum) needs to have a plan for what happens if i escape. If you're saying i wasn't planning on escaping, your argument for why i treated the lav wagon the way i did falls through. It doesnt really make sense to pick half of the argument when convenient and then drop the implications because they aren't



Like i'm just very skeptical that you actually believe most of what you've said in that post ...
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #359) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:26 pm

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In post 3407, Isis wrote:
In post 3405, skitter30 wrote:why do i pick a fight with an isis that i'm conftowning again?
I was extremely limmable until I posted a pic with Pav's name and stuck with it and you didn't food fight me at all at any point after that, before then your or someone else pointed out my disinterest in Pav seemed scummy if he was red
My point was if i'm scum
And can choose to conftown
Why do i pick a fight with someone i then conftown

I can either not pick a fight, or not conftown you if i'm fighting with u to make u flippable
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #360) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:28 pm

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In post 3412, Isis wrote:I want to come over here and play but then a bad emotional thing happen
Ugh i'm sorry i dont meant to be unpleasant
Coral, i'm sorry too

Taking a break for now, have fun everyone!
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Post Post #3420 (isolation #361) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:32 pm

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Ok i'm happy to hear :)
I just dont want to be the source of unpleasantness

So like i can drop it idk
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Post Post #3424 (isolation #362) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:50 pm

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In post 3422, Isis wrote:skitter is town in real life
:)
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Post Post #3427 (isolation #363) » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:21 pm

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Fwiw my current guess is meuh + coral
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Post Post #3495 (isolation #364) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:33 am

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*raises hand*

Will actually respond to the substantive stuff later, at work today
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Post Post #3521 (isolation #365) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:20 am

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In post 3517, Faker wrote:My preference atm is Coral->Cakez->Meuh->skitter->marcistar, with very little work done on Meuh
Plz do work on meuh >.>
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Post Post #3532 (isolation #366) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:06 am

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In post 3429, Coral wrote:
In post 3417, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3412, Isis wrote:I want to come over here and play but then a bad emotional thing happen
Ugh i'm sorry i dont meant to be unpleasant
Coral, i'm sorry too

Taking a break for now, have fun everyone!
Personally, I didn't feel any unpleasantness from you, no worries!! :)

I am curious why you think I'm scum, is there anything to that outside of my push on you?
Ok good :)
Honestly mostly your push on me, i'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around it and seeing where ur coming from

(I will admit there is a part of me that is worried i'm a little confbiased, which is why i'm not really pushing this ...)
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Post Post #3533 (isolation #367) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:12 am

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In post 3472, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 3388, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3376, GuiltyLion wrote:I dunno I'm still trying to parse out how I feel overall

I think if I had to take a preliminary stab at it I'd go town to scum
marci->Coral->skitt->Meuh->Faker->Cakez

but these are all very close to each other and Faker/Cakez (while not impossible) doesn't quite scream correct solve to me
I really, really think meuh should be higher/first on this list
also Skitt am I misunderstanding this or are you saying you think Meuh is the most townie of the uncleared players?
That was worded badly: i meant least townie of the uncleared players
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Post Post #3534 (isolation #368) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:17 am

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In post 3483, Isis wrote:Skitter is hard defending Marci today and didn't want to lim her yesterday? Maybe there are memos I haven't gotten about it it's a long game
Ig my feeling r.e. flipping cakez is incredibly meh
Like i can see arguments for him being scummy but like I'm not sure they make him scum?

(As i write this out o realize this is v similar to how i felt abt gamma, beat, etc)

Like if its in between me and him i'll obv vote him but like i think there's better options that are more likely to flip scum and dont particularlu think he is going to
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Post Post #3540 (isolation #369) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:55 am

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I dont know. I feel p confident about meuh, idk who the third is
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Post Post #3546 (isolation #370) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:59 pm

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literally all my fault, yes
@isis i have like 3 people who the partner *could* be, i just odn't know which of them it is so it's hard to answer the question
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Post Post #3548 (isolation #371) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:40 pm

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i mean tbf you're planning on reading anyways ...
i will look at coral
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Post Post #3551 (isolation #372) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:07 pm

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coral assorted observations (tm):

- she came into the game scumreading pav, and townreading meuh. i think that this does throw some water on my coral/meuh theory: if coral is scum, she set up good pav associatives from fairly early on, but treated the meuh slot completely differently. i'ts possible that scum-her felt like she needed to hedge her bets against partner-pav flipping, and felt partner-meuh was in a better position so didn't need to set up such associatives, but i feel like the sort of player who sets up pav-associatives would also make sure to set up somethinig to fall back on for meuh, and at least thus far (~2009) i'm not seeing it

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In post 2042, Coral wrote:skitter feels like she is looking one step ahead, to have scumreads ready for the future once the scummiest scum have escaped. It kinda feels like she's getting ready to say "oops!" after the scummiest scum escapes.
(i still think this is silly esp in light of voting out scum ...)

- honestly the more i'm reading i'm feeling more like coral just has a very different pov of the game than me. not sure that makes her scum tho ig

- - i'm actually finding this set of heals p interesting: 3/3 ended up on the confirmed list. if you actually look back at the total heal vc (), gl and meuh are the only other person who got 2 conftown, and most people only got one. i'm kinda wondering if there's a correlation between this list and who ended up conftown: scum thought these people were ridiculously townie and were unflippable and thus conftowned them, and when asked to share townreads, taht's who they picked.
i'm still kinda baffled by coral being relatively widely townread yestrday and having such good reads that natural fit with the townblock, and then not being in the townblock. i don't know how to reconcile that. also she didn't put in isis but seems to be townreading her?

- i don't really see a point in rehashing my earlier arguments with her

- i'm also baffled how she's townreading meuh for hopping off of pav (as early as ) - this is just like not how mafia works in my universe

- also despite scumreading pav p hard all ady yesterday, she never ended up on wagon ... (there's a few posts, like, that indicate that she hadn't thought of the hammer + escape thing, if anybody is going to ask why scum-her didn't hammer)
(there's actually an unusual number of posts focusing on the hammer + escape thing, which i don't think many other people have particularly focused on - i think this is lowkey scummy because scum by nature care more about the implciations of said strategy and would be viewing the game through that lens)

- (also i'm honestly lost how people *off* the scum wagon can in full honesty say that me being *on* the scum wagon is scummy. it just doesn't compute as a real argument that makes sense to me. both of them scumread pav and were literally *off* the wagon flipping him. like ??? )

ok i'm coming out of this feeling more sus of her before, esp. since she scumread pav the whole game but didn't vote him and also because of her heal list and unusual emphasis on the escape + hammer thing
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Post Post #3553 (isolation #373) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:15 pm

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ok, that is fair and i missed that in my skim
i do think that is p late to get on the wagon tho
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Post Post #3558 (isolation #374) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:36 pm

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Ahhhhhhhh i read that post and changed my mind, i'm leaning towards not-scum now

I'm going back and forth on this one a bit >.>

And i think if i'm actually being honest i might be subconsciously lumping u in with meuh because i'm annoyed i'm getting scumread, which isnt right or helpful

I need to take a step back and think abt this some more
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Post Post #3575 (isolation #375) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:45 am

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In post 3559, Isis wrote:I have a date this weekend!
Yay!!!
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Post Post #3576 (isolation #376) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:46 am

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In post 3566, Faker wrote:all of you filth are out here being social, making friends, making plans, enjoying the fruits of modernity

not me. i choose a different path. i live with my southern yellowjackets, my flip phone, survive by eating dirt straight out of a bucket. fellow humans are necessary only for playing mafia games, at least until the yellowjackets figure out how to coalesce into a keyboard-operating superbrain

you people SICKEN ME
Prism as always ur hilarious
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #377) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:48 am

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In post 3573, GuiltyLion wrote:I get bad vibes from that skitter case on Coral, parts of it felt reachy, Corals reply covers a lot of my same feelings.
Eh i don't think reachy, those were my thoughts when i read through the iso holistically

Although her response has kinda changed my mind
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Post Post #3579 (isolation #378) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:43 am

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Why are u scumreading me even again?
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Post Post #3580 (isolation #379) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:48 am

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Like .... i'm really, really anxious that when you guys flip me meuh is gonna escape and idk who the last one is so from my pov this is Not Great
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Post Post #3587 (isolation #380) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:36 am

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Nope
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Post Post #3589 (isolation #381) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:37 am

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Yay
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Post Post #3593 (isolation #382) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:27 am

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@ari any interest in voting meuh?
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Post Post #3596 (isolation #383) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:37 am

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Anxious was the wrong word lol, maybe more like wary
I'm good :)

But plz consider meuh when u get to the vote vote part
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Post Post #3600 (isolation #384) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:41 am

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Feel better titus <3
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Post Post #3620 (isolation #385) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:25 am

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Something clicked and i was like: wow maybe i really am completely just misunderstanding her / approaching the game differently from her, and she's approaching the game differently than me, so we're just clashing a lot

I also realized that i was lumping what you've said with meuh which is neither fair nor accurate but that's where a lot of my thoughts around your play came from, and once i seperated those out i realized i wasnt actually scumreading you as much
In post 3555, Coral wrote:Where did I say that you being on the wagon is scummy? I said that I think it's believable that you would be on the wagon as scum. I considered possible plans and possible worlds and possible rationales you might have and weighed them up to see if they made sense. I did not ever say that you being on the wagon made you more likely to be scum.

Both of these last two points I have a hard time thinking they're made in good faith because we already had this discussion. You already know this. I don't know why it would be hard for you to understand. It feels like you are intentionally misrepresenting here.
I specifically had those thoughts here when i realized the picture i had in my head of what you've said was different than ehat you've actually done
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Post Post #3621 (isolation #386) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:26 am

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Also hi andante!!!!

Can u do a version focusing on meuh?
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Post Post #3628 (isolation #387) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:59 am

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Ok so my point with meuh is that i think 2.6 is somewhat damning for her: why did she hop off and then back onto pav?
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Post Post #3647 (isolation #388) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 3629, marcistar wrote:read that post of mine that u ignored
mainly, ur posts arent hard to fake i think..
I ignored it because it mostly boiled down to: vibes and this is my preferrd vote, and i'd like a little more substance
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Post Post #3648 (isolation #389) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:27 am

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In post 3629, marcistar wrote:i dont think meuhs scum... am i wrong?
I think so, yes

And basically i want more of explanation for how you go from 'vibes' to 'preferred vote'
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Post Post #3661 (isolation #390) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:38 am

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In post 3657, Aristeia wrote:Faker has a transcendental sense of humour
Indeed
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Post Post #3662 (isolation #391) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:39 am

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I play slay the spire lol
Am i good at it idk
But its fun
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Post Post #3667 (isolation #392) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:46 am

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I do :)
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Post Post #3678 (isolation #393) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:10 am

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In post 3673, Faker wrote:skitter even though i rationally know it was in fact because i've never seen you talk about a video game

i still feel like a HORRIBLY SEXIST PERSON FOR ASSUMING THE TIGER DID NOT PLAY SPIRE

and as much as i wish i could blame you for this it is THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS and i am sorry
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Post Post #3679 (isolation #394) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:11 am

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In post 3648, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3629, marcistar wrote:i dont think meuhs scum... am i wrong?
I think so, yes

And basically i want more of explanation for how you go from 'vibes' to 'preferred vote'
Marci i woupd like u to address this plz ^
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Post Post #3687 (isolation #395) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 am

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Sigh >.>
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Post Post #3688 (isolation #396) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:46 am

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I, again, could have just *not* started a pav wagon and then *not* hop off despite having ample oppurtunity to do so
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Post Post #3690 (isolation #397) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 am

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In post 3668, Faker wrote:At some point it sounds like I am going to have to play this Sprite tower game thing in order to understand the mafia one
It is a lot of fun tho, u shojld try it when ur computer recovers from its bandaid situation
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Post Post #3692 (isolation #398) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 am

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In post 3689, Andante wrote:skitter... is it you? it should be Faker regardless of anything else, but yeah..
No, but idk how to convey that anymore, i've been saying the same things for like a week

Pedit 6 from ur pov, no?
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Post Post #3693 (isolation #399) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:48 am

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Also what did u think abt my point r.e. meuh
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'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me

'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me

'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA

'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
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