Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: alexcellent
sup bro, first time playing with you!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: marci

i think ausuka is town for the simple reason i've never seen scum claim miller and i'm running with it until proven otherwise

I have
also, don't like the vote, partly because I'm here to play with marci so killing her immediately defeats that

just wait until I hammer her for the ultimate betrayal tho

[Gamma Emerald]

mfs sign up to play a game with marci but dont play terraria with marci

oh yeah that's a thing
tbh I've been waiting for 1.4.4 to drop before playing more terraria
I do have stardew valley now tho! (purchased but not yet installed)

[Gamma Emerald]

We had 7 votes in the "RVS" phase. What makes that one stand out to you any more than the others?

the caps makes it stand out

if it was an actual sentence in caps this would feel more logical but all ausuka said was "OMGUS"

[Gamma Emerald]

i have townings on crescent!

i also weirdly think gamma is townie

wdym “weirdly”?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: scamper

Was this an RVS vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

still think marci is scum and i'll be looking at everyone who is ignoring weighing in on this discussion

Who to you is “ignoring the discussion”?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma, will you vote Roden with me?

Maybe
I’m kinda thinking you’re town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it would be relevant to explain your town read on Marci when several people aren't vibing with that and want to vote her

I'm more curious as to why he wants votes on you. The only reason we have so far is it's a countervote.

Working theory: Roden/Datisi/Crescent scumteam.

Oh he's shitposting for reactions. Less interesting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

I’m more used to that sort of thing
My first time seeing an early ascetic claim I was kinda an asshole about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.

No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.

I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game

Is this a gag? Or is this real?

Could an ascetic miller be considered normal?

I believe it is.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal modifier and normal town role, the mod's just getting a little wacky with the set up. There could be other explanations besides Pooky making meme roles, but it might be anti-town to discuss that right now. I just believe that Ausuka is being honest and is town.

Miller always feels like it should be a modifier vs. a role
ig it doesn’t matter which it’s classified as in the current normal design space tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I like Alex so far
VOTE: Scamper
Rather perturbed by the exact wording of their TR on me

[Gamma Emerald]

So no reason for me NOT to believe Ausuka at this point, but I don't think it's impossible that scum makes that claim.

i dont really think scum claims ascetic miller on page 1, i think if ascetic they just claim ascetic without the miller part, cuz the extra detail is unnecessary to invent. simplest explanation is aus got given an actual weird neg util role and claimed it

ill leave this here for now

VOTE: marci

Hmm we get into WIFOM territory here though. Why would scum say ascetic miller and not just ascetic? Maybe so we can have this conversation. Good lies involve detail and ascetic miller is a way to say "omg guys look at this dumb role I've got, why is this a thing?" Rather than blindly going "I'm ascetic," and everyone has to decide if they believe it or not. Also the conversation is muddied a bit more because we're no longer just going "idk if I believe Ausuka", now we're going "why would this role exist?"
But yeah, I'm just thinking out loud. This early in the game I'm happy to lean more towards accepting that there's an ascetic miller.

Miller is actually not able to be scum, so if Ausuka were scum “trueclaiming” she’d just be Ascetic Mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Cres and Marci are scum together, got it

This reaction in particular town pinged me

[Gamma Emerald]

Cres and Marci are scum together, got it

This reaction in particular town pinged me

Tbf that was mostly a joke reaction, I don't know if that may change your read of me

No I got that, which is actually why it townpinged

[Gamma Emerald]

Alex is very scummy.

If Crescent's town, I'd guess Scamper/Alex/STD.

why

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hey I see Scamper posted Scamper if you didn't answer the question in my post please answer it now thank you.

Will read later.

also want my question answered

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still waiting for Scamper to actually say why he townreads me and Gamma. Feel like I've been waiting on that for a while.

@scamper

okay that wasnt a question and crescent never actually asked me about it before that post so im not sure why he would be waiting on an explanation.....

i liked 42 and 48, they showed some nice thought process that was solvy and seemed to be getting more serious than others, which on page 2 is enough for me to say its a townping

for gamma, this is kind of a weird read, but i didnt think scum would defend someone with "i wanted to play with her", i would expect some measure of comment on her alignment. maybe this is a dumb read but its what i thought at that moment

okay this might track actually
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Do kind of find it interesting though that Ausuka claimed that and then no one really acknowledged it until Marci like 8 posts later or something

why do you think that is interesting?

Btw I like Alex so far
VOTE: Scamper
Rather perturbed by the exact wording of their TR on me

well, now i think ur more town so i dont feel like my original reason was that dumb

what do you like about alex?

Alex feels chill in a town way
scum would be more anxious

[Gamma Emerald]

that didnt even look serious to me...

keep reading

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like one of shishon/crescent is scum but not entirely sure which
would guess shoshin atm tho

[Gamma Emerald]

See multiple people have said it's a playstyle read now and I don't get it.

I think his playstyle is even sort of towny - he comes off as naturally comfortable and somewhat charismatic to me.

I think the content of his posts is more scum motivated than town motivated for reasons I've tried to explain. I think he is more orientated towards creating whatever content than sorting people.

Who is this about?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shoshin does not feel like a threat to ML me at all and is probably scum. If anything I'd say I come off as aggressive, not defensive.

I saw someone call this scummy, idk about that but it def feels weird

[Gamma Emerald]

ill solve the game at my own pace honey <3

This is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you should have learned lesson already... how you could ever suspect me here is beyond me.

lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like one of shishon/crescent is scum but not entirely sure which

Why would you think there has to be one scum here?

I feel like your feud with Crescent has neither of you looking good but it doesn’t seem like theater

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and on another Scamper note, I think their interactions with me have been scummier than Marci's by a fair margin. Why is Marci still at 4 again?

How so
I liked their catch-up tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

There's a neighborhood in this game

Me
Shoshin
Roden
InsidiousLemons

cringe
(The fact there’s a hood in the game is what I’m calling cringe tbc)

[Gamma Emerald]

I claimed because I want to see what happens and I'd bet there's scum in the hood

I would object but tbh I think the NRG are plain enough to think consistently placing scum in hoods is a good idea

[Gamma Emerald]

With that I do agree. Revealing hood with a 0 poster inside was odd.

It feels like a semi-careless town play more than a scum play though.

Why is it odd?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because chaos is

naturally

scum indicative. Chaos is inherently anti-town and often leads to bad voteoffs that provide little to no information. There's no pro-town reason for playing with that level of chaos.

I don’t rlly agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

How does a hood correlate with an ascetic miller claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess Bella's posts aren't terribly hard for scum to fake but like I don't think I'd expect her to be massively different as town and I vibed with some of her early posts

STD feels like a scummier version of Bella tbh

Johnny's catch up is lightly towny because the push on Dats seems counterintuitive for scum to make and I like it, still want to see more from him tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you claim neighborhood, exactly?

We have two 0 posters so far and Lemons is one of them. I suppose they haven't posted there either?

Chaos is a naturally bad thing for town. Sustained chaos is how you end up with trains on 6 different people with 24 hours left in the day, town almost certainly getting voted off, and weak information to go off of that voteoff because there were so many trains.

hood reveal is interesting, i dont have a problem with std outing it since theres probably scum in a 4 person hood but i kind of wish he'd waited a bit longer so that we could have reads from people on the players in the hood + lemons could have posted

cuz right now my immediate thought is the lemons slot is probably scum but we learn basically nothing from it now if thats true

With that I do agree. Revealing hood with a 0 poster inside was odd.

It feels like a semi-careless town play more than a scum play though.

I had asked STD if we should and he just said yeah if activity didn't pick up soon. Pretty much nothing was happening in the hood so I didn't disagree. I don't think we could've utilized it much if we kept it a secret tbh, the only thing about it that matters to me is the mech info. Plus if there's a Traffic Analyst around they won't have to worry about false guilties now.

This mindset tracks

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm fairly confident in Roden/Gamma/Ausuka/Marci/Alex as town.

Current reads, from towny to scummy:

Ausuka
Roden
Scamper
Crescent
Marci
Bella
Alex
Datisi
Johnny
STD
Corwinoid
Gamma

Low confidence on all reads.

What changed between these 2 posts for Alex/Marci?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shoshin the confusion is that you keep like flipping your reads without explaining why

Like I could've sworn Gamma was one of your top townreads yesterday and now he's your top scumread

And also you were like hard pushing Crescent and now she's townier than Marcistar who you've been defending all game

I have an idea of why shoshin keeps flipping her reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess Bella's posts aren't terribly hard for scum to fake but like I don't think I'd expect her to be massively different as town and I vibed with some of her early posts

STD feels like a scummier version of Bella tbh

Johnny's catch up is lightly towny because the push on Dats seems counterintuitive for scum to make and I like it, still want to see more from him tho

What’s scummy about StD

[Gamma Emerald]

Who are Johnny's partners?

Yeah I generally don't play the "Let's form an entire scumteam on day 1" game. There is no one I would currently link directly to Johnny. There isn't really any information to get from there yet, which is why pushing there is good to increase generation.

Like, Alex being scum kinda clears Ausuka and Bella, but doesn't directly reflect on anyone else being scum. Ausuka called Alex scummy early on and their current banter doesn't feel like scum/scum at all. The vote on Bella feels like an opportunistic poorly justified scum vote on a low-activity town player, from a player who was recently called out by someone for feeling like he was pushing content but not actually trying to solve. I don't remember who did this, but this player would probably also be town on an Alex scumflip.

You flip scum it does nothing for me because I completely disregard everything you've ever said as fakespew and move on.

I’m starting to see some of the reasoning against Alex but I still think he’d be different tonally as scum
Like, him joking about a crescent-marci scum pairing: that could get misconstrued, so scum would likely avoid throwing something like that out as a mere joke. I think scum joking about it would be like “haha ha what if it was this? JK…unless…?”

[Gamma Emerald]

Corwin's scum due to poe.

Hm.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah POE is not a thing that exists on day 1 sorry. Corwin could be scum but I need to see more out of him.

It can exist D1 but it feels more like a forced explanation by shoshin

[Gamma Emerald]

"Guy who replaces out day 1 as scum"

I'm known by many as this type of player. Something to consider, Crescent.

Lolno
Why did you not broach this topic when it first came up?
VOTE: Shoshin

[Gamma Emerald]

gammaaaaaaaa

?

[Gamma Emerald]

"Guy who replaces out day 1 as scum"

I'm known by many as this type of player. Something to consider, Crescent.

Lolno
Why did you not broach this topic when it first came up?
VOTE: Shoshin

What are you talking about?

You only responded to that from Crescent like a page later
Feels a bit like you were floundering, saw that, and tried to utilize it in your favor

[Gamma Emerald]

who do u scumread bestie

Shoshin mostly, aside from that v little clue, but I feel like some of the hunting from Bella/Ausuka is uninspiring

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

You
Crescent
Datisi
Roden
StD
Alex kinda

[Gamma Emerald]

Above is @marci 508

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I don’t think Bella/Ausuka scum block under the pretense of mindmelding so one scum maximum there

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying I'd have replaced out of this game as scum, Ausuka. Some people might think that about me, but they're wrong. I don't mean to trust tell here at all.

I don't get why townies would be so upset about this either way? I'm pointing out a reputation, not confirming it as accurate.

Crescent's response, for example. They're sort of imploding, to an extent that I think is much more likely to come from scum than town. Datisi, similar. Gamma as well. I'd be very surprised if there's not at least two scum within this group.

Why even bring it up if it isn’t true?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you always misread me for stupid reasons. What are your concerns here?

You’re wishy-washy as fuck here, with no tangible reasons as to why
Also, I don’t take well to this sort of comment. Plus, pretty sure you were scum that I read correctly in A Littls Boonie Told Me

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay guess not

[Gamma Emerald]

Still think that sort of comment distasteful tho

[Gamma Emerald]

@aus, I didn't want to, I assumed people would infer enough and back off and instead people repeatedly didn't read my answer, got pissed with u fy pointing it out and still wouldn't stop a fuss over nothing. Apart from you it's made everyone involved, even crescent, look scummy to me

Hm, maybe ur just bad

[Gamma Emerald]

can u explain some of ur reads gamma

meh, idc to rn

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re wishy-washy as fuck here, with no tangible reasons as to why
Also, I don’t take well to this sort of comment. Plus, pretty sure you were scum that I read correctly in A Littls Boonie Told Me

I was town that game. You've been incorrectly reading me as scum in all the games I'm town. And I'm confused every game, because you keep misreading me for the same reasons. It's like, why haven't you figured this out yet? I guess you just misremember the alignments to make yourself feel better.

I think I confused shoshin w Samantha actually

[Gamma Emerald]

Happy early birthday freedom

Nice one

[Gamma Emerald]

i saw but didn't want to comment on shoshin until i was caught up, but *big sigh* at the replace of shoshin, i was p darn sure she was town and page 19 is just very very unpleasant to read

i dont think the way she spitefully 180'ed on a read because of Crescent is something that ever comes from scum here an in general the way she was playing is just completely against what scum does, ever, because she was making enemies of so many people without regard for optics or "consistency"

I don’t feel the same townvibes because I got similar vibes from her that I’ve previously gotten from a different person who

also

tried to whip out that sort of borderline trust tell (and as scum too!) when she was saying I keep reading her wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you always misread me for stupid reasons. What are your concerns here?

You’re wishy-washy as fuck here, with no tangible reasons as to why
Also, I don’t take well to this sort of comment. Plus, pretty sure you were scum that I read correctly in A Littls Boonie Told Me

shoshin was far from wishy-washy, i think ur misuing that word, and if u meant that shoshin was rapidly changing stances, i need you to explain why its scum motivated, because i saw it as *far* more likely to be coming from town than not

It feels like her SR on me was reacting to me voicing suspicion of her

Also, my scum MO is to pick side in situations rather arbitrarily vs. fence sitting, at least in early scenarios. So the accusations of me being scummy for saying one of crescent/shoshin were scum doesn’t track with my actual playstyle. As scum I would have most likely just gone after shoshin from the first moment I thought I wanted to act on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

i saw but didn't want to comment on shoshin until i was caught up, but *big sigh* at the replace of shoshin, i was p darn sure she was town and page 19 is just very very unpleasant to read

i dont think the way she spitefully 180'ed on a read because of Crescent is something that ever comes from scum here an in general the way she was playing is just completely against what scum does, ever, because she was making enemies of so many people without regard for optics or "consistency"

I don’t feel the same townvibes because I got similar vibes from her that I’ve previously gotten from a different person who

also

tried to whip out that sort of borderline trust tell (and as scum too!) when she was saying I keep reading her wrong

im sorry i think too wrapped up in disliking the play of shoshin to see the motivation behind what she was doing because i think she was acting in a very petty way that is *far* more likely to come from town than scum

I don’t place any value on the petty behavior I think, I’m more interested in her trying to play the same deck as I have seen someone else do multiple times as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

The SR of Roden came directly from Roden voting her. Instant countervote.

But... I think sitting here trying to figure out a psychotic player that's no longer in the game is bad for both the game and for town in general, especially when we lack information. It could very easily become a distraction and I'd much rather just focus on the replacement.

You might be right but scamper is trying to advocate a townread on her meltdown and I object based on my own personal history
So at the very least you should also direct that advice in his direction too.

[Gamma Emerald]

who tf says “radiant lodestar” lmao
Also my scum feelings on shoshin were never based on feeling slighted so I would rather you not attempt to discredit me like so.

[Gamma Emerald]

Their fight didn’t feel like either one was making wholly solid points, it felt like a mud wrestling match how dirty they both felt

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually Googled Radiant Lodestar wondering if it was some kind of reference.

It’s just another way to say “shining beacon”

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah neighborhood claim outta nowhere

Hm
I wanna townread this reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

ur so buddy buddy

Trying to decide if you just throwin' bows like this is townie or not? Like I'm wondering if this is toward an end or if you're just being shitty

How is that being shitty?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I think the back-and-forth w aussie is possibly town indicating for freedom

[Gamma Emerald]

i think ur not trying to solve
it just feels like ur playing a game of follow the leader where asukas the leader.

here is where you're making out to be ai lmfao

marcistar is obvious scum and i don't know why it is so difficult for others to see

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

no coherent thought process

just blatant mindless arguing like she did in micro 1056 that ended this morning

work so i gotta go for now but vote marci k thx

ngl I do kinda see it

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont get why this game revolves around me wtf

This is towm

[Gamma Emerald]

this is a recent towngame if u care

@gamma do you remember anything of this game? I skipped around the ISO but ain't no way I'm reading a 500 post ISO

Yes
I feel like Marci might be a little similar across that game and this one
More notably, her position feels like the one I was in that game. So I’m fairly certain she’s town here.

[Gamma Emerald]

i opened the iso

i saw actual solving

One thing I distinctly remember from that game was that she had very little hard stances deep into the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Freedom's post is so awkward and bad that I actually don't find it scummy because so much is wrong with it. Like...

Why wouldn't scum try to get town voted off day 1?

Why on Earth is ELO coming into a conversation on day 1?

I have thoughts on the posts but I’m reserving them

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Marci is town here but I’m not interested in fighting basically the entire player list so instead you clowns can do whatever and I’ll say I told you so tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

@Freedom

what’s the hood like rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

not sure why freedom is saying talking about elo and not pushing things through on d1, but like. (1) i definitely do shitpush people through as scum on d1, (2) faker said that marci gets more obvious as the game goes on. if i'm scum and i see town!marci acting scummy early on, i am gonna be trying to capitalize on that immediately. so make of that what you will.

inb4 "but if you're town, why not let marci be for a while so you can--" because i think she's scummy now, and the last time i thought she was scummy now, she was scum, and i want a dead scumfuck on d1.

I see.
I was mainly saying what I would want to do as scum.
Though, it's purely hypothetical.

Figured

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, who is scum

I think someone in the hood (possibly Corwinoid or Freedom), as well as a secret scumread
Aside from that there are people I think

could

be scum but am not sure

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe she just felt pressured and fucked up?

lmao no
Think she’d be voted off already if she did THAT

[Gamma Emerald]

I do see your point, and since I town read you and Datisi I feel like your takes have some weight and that's something I'm taking into account

Occam's Razor says Marci's probably just scum here and that she's being confusing on purpose to try to go for "too scummy to be scummy"

Gut says that I'm missing info that would explain her actions

Hm
Why do you TR Aussie?

[Gamma Emerald]

stay tuned for on thursday when i sit down and figure this shit out!!

i think its some bs happenong rn it just feels like running in circles tho

I noted earlier you seem to be in the same sand trap I was in during Eurybia’s Curse
Given that, do you have any leads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d also like someone to actually engage my TR logic on Alex, it’s the one thing preventing me from fully going “I could see Alex being scum here”

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe she just felt pressured and fucked up?

lmao no
Think she’d be voted off already if she did THAT

Why?

Feel like she’d bungle pretty blatantly idk
She apparently did that before but being frank I still have zero clue how
Maybe [HYPERLINK BLOCKED] is right about me and I don’t know how to play mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay but how
Re: Alex, I guess I should re-read him and see if that’s a consistent feeling I get from his ISO

[Gamma Emerald]

whos hyperlink blocked :rosejudge:

They were in Eurybia’s Curse
Btw what’s rosejudge

[Gamma Emerald]

oh is it the person u talked to me abt

yes

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean Alex can be bussing. I remember a game from years ago that had me and Gamma in it where scum were all under suspicion d1 and they just decided to bus each other and town was lost until the game got mechanically solved because they just assumed a suspected scum wouldn't want to bus.

That the one where scum got hammered early D1?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah no you definitely just doubleposted that quote wall

I'm gonna say it was deliberate trolling.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think so? it was NSG's game

Okay nah I was thinking of a Boonietoonz game
Flavor Leaf was in it tho right?

[Gamma Emerald]

to me, it looked like you reversed tactics immediately because he called out what you were doing and realized you couldnt keep getting way with it. this was why i asked you what changed your read, because it looks like youre just saying things to try to get people to move off you

i dont think scums gonna use meta on something they know will be a miselim, its too much work just to act like a clown

This is factually incorrect.

[Gamma Emerald]

#948 and #949 are a good representative example of why she feels so fake. That's an [incredible] mood swing between those posts.

That’s normal for her

[Gamma Emerald]

i feel like some of your posts are fake. i feel like saying she had an intense mood swing doesn't look at marci as a person and is something you're trying to attribute to scum!marci without look holistically at whether a person could act like that and be town

Good post

[Gamma Emerald]

yall im sorry ill stop talking if it makes things easier

yall im sorry ill stop talking if it makes things easier

No, it's fine really. Some of my personal frustration with Crescent boiling over. I'd rather have people more active than not, it's just frustrating when that activity is mostly overnight for me and then I get shit on for not being immediately caught up.

i dont wanna make it hard to catchup tho..

i can just wait until im done work to post if that helps

Does this feel like a scum rxn?

[Gamma Emerald]

reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like it's NAI? It seems like she was worried she was stopping Corwin and Johnny from enjoying the game which I think is more indicative of the whole 'everyone is just playing this game to have fun at the end of the day' than win condition

Seems antithetical to “Marci is rude as scum”
Sure she could try to not make the game feel oppressive as scum but I think the execution of stating she didn’t want to make the game hard to read would be different
It doesn’t feel like a PR stunt.

[Gamma Emerald]

#948 and #949 are a good representative example of why she feels so fake. That's an [incredible] mood swing between those posts.

That’s normal for her

So what you're both basically saying is that virtually every post she's made in the game is strictly NAI because she makes these crazy outbursts that look like fake emotion in every game?

How does anyone actually read such a player?

I don’t think it’s fake emotion, and I find it sick you assume such of her. Try practicing a little good faith, eh?

[Gamma Emerald]

As I see it, Marci exhibits emotions like I do. Which is to say, whatever emotion she’s expressing is probably genuine. She just might act on it a little different as mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

On a side note I still think Alex's vote on Marci looks bad and this has not changed.

Do you care to offer input on my Alex opinion?

[Gamma Emerald]

Virtually nothing good has ever come out of me displaying my emotions in a mafia game. It's a lesson that time and again I have to remind myself of.

I'm also used to playing with guys who treat AtE like a toy and constantly abuse it so the two are probably related.

That doesn’t mean all AtE is abusive. You need to get that poison out of your mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

On a side note I still think Alex's vote on Marci looks bad and this has not changed.

Do you care to offer input on my Alex opinion?

Restate it for me, I have to drive again.

I feel like the way he was engaging earlier on lacked trepidation I would expect from scum

[Gamma Emerald]

#948 and #949 are a good representative example of why she feels so fake. That's an [incredible] mood swing between those posts.

That’s normal for her

So what you're both basically saying is that virtually every post she's made in the game is strictly NAI because she makes these crazy outbursts that look like fake emotion in every game?

How does anyone actually read such a player?

I don’t think it’s fake emotion, and I find it sick you assume such of her. Try practicing a little good faith, eh?

it's not sick if crescent is scum it's just being scummy and acting in bad faith

I doubt that’s the case rn
Solely on parallels I’m thinking Crescent is town based on the last time I encountered this sort of mindset.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm also used to playing with guys who treat AtE like a toy and constantly abuse it so the two are probably related.

I am legitimately curious about what you mean here, and if you have some contrived examples?

wdym “contrived examples”?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay i was waiting to see if corwinoid would respond and now that hes caught up i want to note that he completely blew off 769 and hasnt justified why he claimed i sounded "angry/frustrated" in that post. what IS frustrating to me is getting ignored and i feel like it keeps happening this game.

i also want to note that corwinoids catchup was super dry and consistedmostly of him commenting on/replying to things and has one actual stance, which is that marci "felt super off the cuff and not artificial at all". thats the only justification he has for a read, and similar to his read on me, its all talk of 'feelings' an nothing more, just vague assertions, the kind of thing where its super easy to say stuff about people because you can say any post

feels

a certain way, but i dont get the sense corwinoid has any deeper thoughts about the game

and i want to remind you that corwinoid led off the game with this:

Hi Alex, hi Bella.

Bella 100% town because she's always town.

I'm caught up on the game but I don't have a lot to add right now, I've stayed up late to get the replacement sorted and I'm going to bed.

Hard town reading Crescent this game though.

so ur caught up and ur only reads are that bella and crescent are town?

Crescent's my only real read. Bella's just always town.

And yeah, when I replace in there's a honeymoon period were I don't really have reads until I start interacting with people and get an actual feel for them.

corwinoid has 27 posts now. he has made barely any attempts to interact with people in a meaningful way. a bunch of his posts jus now were complaining about having to catch up, but in tat time he was catching up he produced almost nothing of note - no observations, no reads, hardly any questions even

so i have to ask - if he gets his reads via interaction, why is he making virtually no attempt to realtime with people or interact in a substantive manner? where is the evidence corwinoid is thinking about the game at all, trying to form some meaninful picture of it? i can't see any.

what he *has* produced are self-aware posts like this:

He never makes an argument against either, but what's in his ISO concerning Corwin is glaring. He highlights Corwin three separate times.

I mean, TBF I've been low activity so far since I replaced and on the defensive since the VLA comment. I don't think Alex is entirely out of line here. OTOH my D1 play seems to be consistently crap so I'm kind of getting use to it at this point.

yall im sorry ill stop talking if it makes things easier

No, it's fine really. Some of my personal frustration with Crescent boiling over. I'd rather have people more active than not, it's just frustrating when that activity is mostly overnight for me and then I get shit on for not being immediately caught up.

and i feel like posts like these are notable because theyre very self-aware, theyre talking about how hes struggling, promising to get into the game, but now, itll be later

and i think this type of posting comes from scum more often than not because scum tend to be very self-conscious about their own scumminess, and its notable that corwinoid is doing all this stuff instaed of just...making actual reads, which i would expect from a town


and i was curious so i went and did some research and looked at corwinoids recent newbie game as scum, and i found these posts:

Spoiler:

So I usually don't like giving blanket reads on everyone, I don't think it's as useful as some people think, and usually just fluff. Since I'm replacing in I'll post my first thoughts on everyone after the hockey game. Somnus though feels pretty obvtown to me, and I'm not sure why anybody is voting him right now (If my internal count is right, I could be off with the recent stuff between getting the replacement set up and actually getting in the thread)

I'm through about the first 12 pages of my re-read, but I have a sleeping disorder where I won't get much sleep for a few nights/weeks and then crash pretty hard and oversleep, and right now I'm recovering from the oversleeping thing so I need to get some rest. I've said all I have to say for right now, and I'll hit this with fresh eyes in a few hours.

and we haven't even heard from one player.

I'm trying, I swear, it's not easy especially with one particular player just shit posting and quoting the exact things other people have said muddying things up and making it harder to wade through, follow context, and put it together with isos minus the crap.

So far I have solid TRs on Somnus and you, despite the low post count I've appreciated the quality. I don't know how to read Bella, but she doesn't seem scummy. I'm unsure on Rad, WD, and Spartan. Slight scum vibe from BBT. I just want Vasex gone; I think he's been completely anti-town and disruptive and it's really hard to think we're just not better off without him--I might be tunneling, but it's genuinely making it harder to read everyone else.

and these feel exactly like the posts hes making this game, where he keeps making excuses for being behind rather than playing the game, and complaining about how spam is making it hard for him to catch up. i think what hes doing here is more or less identical to that game

This feels quite compelling

[Gamma Emerald]

On a side note I still think Alex's vote on Marci looks bad and this has not changed.

Do you care to offer input on my Alex opinion?

Restate it for me, I have to drive again.

I feel like the way he was engaging earlier on lacked trepidation I would expect from scum

The primary issue I have with him is it feels like his votes have felt opportunistic.

He's gone after the three lowest posters, and now he puts a tack on vote on Marci after calling her town twice.

His vote Bella pops it at #313. He made no attempt to justify this until several posts later at #362, which is after other people had voted for Alex. He then overreacted to my scrutiny of his vote. Later he comes up with a lazy stance of "let's just do Corwin or Johnny" at #644 with a vote on Johnny at #794.

He calls Marci town in #352 and in #790 (right before he votes Johnny), then votes Marci in #832 in a not-great post.

This isn’t the sort of response I had in mind
In your eyes, so you feel like Alex’s casual nature early on is easily replicable as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

So apparently it wasn't restated, so I looked it up. I disagree with the "chill" feeling because he was overreactive/overdefensive to the scrutiny his Bella vote put him under. He later goes after Corwin and Johnny just for existing - Overall he targets the three lowest posters in the game that weren't VLA, and seemingly easy targets to park votes on without much need for justification. When Marci's train gains steam again, he goes from two instances of calling her town (One of which was recent), to saying he's on board and voting her.

I get more "opportunist" vibes.

Oh okay
Still want the last question I asked answered but I’ll factor this in too

[Gamma Emerald]

corwinoid practically TMIing scamper as town and screaming how they're caught for the wrong reasons

This also feels agreeable

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: corwinoid
I’m down for this

[Gamma Emerald]

@alex, I felt it was oddly defensive, she said 'peiple are saying I've votes X but actually, gotcha, I haven't voted anyone!' it felt toned very oddly.

Crescent and you give me the same vibes really, relaxed, sharing ideas, also a little bit flexible which I think is fine for day one town. I could point to some actual posts if vibes isn't good enough

Ah okay fair enough. I didn't quite read that post like that but maybe just reading it differently.

Looking at Alex ISO and haven’t gotten to his Bella vote quite yet but I do see Bella had a similar vibe to what I got on Alex here

@Bella

what is your take on Alex rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it weird? I don't like answering questions for other people, but in this case she already answered the question and three separate people have asked about it. That's what I find weird.

I have read that post. I was directly responding to that post twice. What I don't see is any strong reason to be jumping on Bella's train.

What I do see is a

lot

of prebuilt excuses to excuse being "wrong" if that vote is placed on town.

Crossing my fingers that I'm not wrong then

Why do you seem so concerned she's going to get launched?

This feels like Alex overextending in response to a legitimate point. If you combine this with Ausuka, it seems like he's looking to use other people to justify his vote because it's come under fire.

Why are you dodging my question and speaking about me in the third person rather than engaging directly with me? This feels like you're not trying to sort me but trying to convince other people that I'm shifty.

Okay I think I see some of the arguments about how Alex reacted to pressure better

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm around if anyone wants to chat.

Was kinda hoping Gamma was doing a deep dive on Alex but they just trailed off.

Not really a fan of the Corwin push. I feel like the the inactivity and fluff isn't super indicative, and while I do find his sudden short temper weird I'm still more confident in Alex.

a true deep-dive was never the plan, I was just seeing if I could reconcile my thoughts with the opinions of others

[Gamma Emerald]

Your defense of corwinoid is noted

This is towards JF and not Gamma, right?

I voted corwin lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and Alex probably is just town. I don't trust his votes, and I reaction tested him on a few things before I felt Corwin outright claimed scum, but player meta.

It's more than just immediately drawing attention to the guy who replaced a 0 poster, which is a dangerous game for scum to be playing. I also think if they're scum together, Alex has Corwin screaming in his ear to stop talking about him, and I think as a result he does not bring up Corwin so many times.

srsly? And yet you tried to convince me Alex was scum? Sure I asked for it but this is a stark turnaround

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and Alex probably is just town. I don't trust his votes, and I reaction tested him on a few things before I felt Corwin outright claimed scum, but player meta.

It's more than just immediately drawing attention to the guy who replaced a 0 poster, which is a dangerous game for scum to be playing. I also think if they're scum together, Alex has Corwin screaming in his ear to stop talking about him, and I think as a result he does not bring up Corwin so many times.

srsly? And yet you tried to convince me Alex was scum? Sure I asked for it but this is a stark turnaround

I changed my mind like 15 posts later because I was under the false impression that Alex was under no pressure when he kept needling at Corwin when he was actually at 3 votes.

Not only that, the first time he did it was after voting Bella but before giving a reason for the Bella vote.

My impression of how that all went down was completely off and you can see the progression of me figuring that out as I bantered with Freedon and Roden.

But that false impression didn’t start from the ending of that other game right? Why did you forget to mention it until just now?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you not process the fact Corwin scumclaimed to you until just recently?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes sense now
I feel like, an incessant urge to pick at things that feel poorly-timed, no matter what they are

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if the scumteaam everyones thinking of would be right idk it stinkz
s

What team is this

[Gamma Emerald]

whys everyone even so happy with locktowning scamper

Corwin is basically obvscum and his interaction with scamper spews scamper town

[Gamma Emerald]

Ausuka do you think Corwin is scummy or still set on Marci?

[Gamma Emerald]

yoink

[Gamma Emerald]

Good point.
So it's very likely that marci's scum with Corwin.

WRONG!

[Gamma Emerald]

corwin/alex/? (def not marci tho)
take this to the fucking bank

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think my issues with Marci are playstyle I think she's just really scummy here

atp I think Alex kinda towncleared marci in the event he and corwin are scum
so I'd prefer if you would bear with the corwin vote-out, if corwin flips town I'll reconsider my marci TR

[Gamma Emerald]

Side note Gamma why are you sold on Alex now?

pretty sure he was trying to fish for swinging the wagon momentum back onto marci

[Gamma Emerald]

If it's literally Alex/Marci/Corwin why would Alex not Bus? What does he have to lose?

why would he not try to push somewhere else? Plus he comes off as trying to subtly manipulate people into acting on their marci suspicions, that doesn't make sense as an approach to bussing!

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzz
the more you blindly hammer away at calling marci scum the worse I feel about you

[Gamma Emerald]

echant is a loose cannon, maybe gain some fucking context!

[Gamma Emerald]

I read that open you were in where Enchant voted Kitty at the end of d1 in a plurality Lim game, when he really did not have to, in a setup where scum was heavily punished for bussing

I will never understand the idea people have that scum wouldn't bus unless they 'have to' when time and time again scum consistently bus and vote each other all the time

Pedit:

I was in that game so I know all about it, so why are you acting like I don't?

[Gamma Emerald]

so I'm sort of aroundish and have skimmed a bit but will probably catch up properly tomorrow.

The sudden jump from Marci to Corwin is a bit jarring -- @datisi, can you give me the tl;dr for your change in read on marci? You seemed pretty deadset that she's obvscum a few pages ago.

re: Corwin -- I will probably end up voting here. His aggression isn't necessarily a scumtell to me (although I agree his responses don't look great). I initially said I'd probably vote Corwin because his ISO is pretty bare and feels like there's sort of an absence of scumhunting. But the main thing I find dodgy is this:

Hi Alex, hi Bella.

Bella 100% town because she's always town.

I'm caught up on the game but I don't have a lot to add right now, I've stayed up late to get the replacement sorted and I'm going to bed.

Hard town reading Crescent this game though.

Actually didn't ping me as necessarily scummy in a vacuum. At the time Mini 2276 was still going and I figured "oh, Corwin's probably seeing Crescent playing similarly to the last game and he's figured out she's town in that and so that's what he's seeing here". But that explanation goes out the window given that town Corwin just hammered town Crescent to end the game in Mini 2276 - indicating he didn't really have any confidence in her alignment so I can't fathom how he can be hard town reading her in this situation. And I feeeel like scum!Corwin wants to avoid confrontation with Crescent.

The only thing that gives me pause here is how abruptly everyone jumped from Marci to Corwin. Makes me a tad paranoid.

Ausuka do you think Corwin is scummy or still set on Marci?

these posts seem rather perturbed marci isn't the lead wagon, and it feels like alex wants datisi + ausuka to stay the course there

[Gamma Emerald]

echant is a loose cannon, maybe gain some fucking context!

Oh yeah because it's only enchant that ever busses on day 1

Hey remember that game I mentioned earlier where I correctly said scum was bussing on d1 and people thought that was so unrealistic the thought couldn't come from town? In a very similar situation to the one we were discussing, in which scum are all under suspicion d1? Was that because of loose cannons too?

I also reread multiple of my past games recently and I noticed that scum place bussing votes a lot more often than people would expect just as a general trend.

I don't even think you're scum pushing this but I think it's really silly that you don't even think this viewpoint could come from town

you're using low-effort axioms rather than actually thinking about what alex is posting
it could be a bus, anything could be a fucking bus! actually think about whether THIS is a bus you numpty!

[Gamma Emerald]

well I disagree that marci's posts are scum-indicative
scummy maybe, but scummy is not scum-indicative as I'm sure you've heard MANY times before
like, actually try to case marci. I'll read it.

[Gamma Emerald]

if Alex does not vote corwin before this day ends and corwin flips scum, I'm taking that as a scumclaim by alex

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I've cased Marci enough? But essentially it's that I think she's shown little actual scumhunting, and what she has shown has been incredibly shallow. She crumbles upon being pressed by Datisi about her push on him which has like pretty much no substance to it. She then makes fun of Datisi for tunneling in 752 which in itself is the same thing as the best reason for scum Corwin imo - it comes across as if she knows datisi is town. Only after this does she then say Datisi might be town. Then, she tries to use the post saying Datisi might be town to prove that she's 're evaluating' even though she made the post after Datisi called out how shallow the read was - I think this is an example of scum changing their behaviour after getting caught to evade scumreads. It's very convenient for town Marci to suddenly come to the conclusion about the game she needed to push back against the scumreads on her. Especially since I'm pretty sure she never elaborated a thought process on her Datisi read.

Additionally, I think a lot of her posts come across as openwolfing - especially the part where she's like "you all are lazy because you scumread me" without like, actually putting in the work to advance the town wincon and push the scum who are presumably taking advantage of this laziness and/or encouraging it. Most of the stuff I said about her early game I still believe as well.

Sure, scummy people don't have to be scum. The same reasoning could be used for Corwin or anyone else. I think that Marci is the most likely player to be mafia of anyone in this list.

she also didn't really scum hunt much in eurybia's curse, she just mostly vibed
the shallow-looking re-evaluating post is something I have seen town do recently
pretty sure I did something similar to "you're all lazy for scumreading me" in eurybia's curse

the only thing that vaguely holds water fmpov is marci potentially knowing datisi is town

[Gamma Emerald]

the read is still highly unconvincing
atp I'd rather you focus your efforts elsewhere aussie

[Gamma Emerald]

vote count 1.12

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-12 12:00:00).

yeet

Corwinoid[5]:

Scamper, Save the Dragons, Datisi, Gamma Emerald, Freedom

Marcistar[2]:

Ausuka, Alexcellent

Alexcellent[2]:

Roden, JohnnyFarrar

Datisi[1]:

Marcistar

Scamper[1]:

Corwinoid

Not Voting[2]:

Crescent, Bellaphant

mod note

Bellaphant is VLA until Monday
Alexcellent is VLA Tuesday - Thursday

Flavor

other than Alex and Datisi, who do you think you can get to vote marci?

[Gamma Emerald]

i was pushing corwin before it was cool

Oh and if you wanna bring up 2273 - I town read you virtually the entire game, and I was right.

I'm not town reading you here.

That’s okay, everyone’s wrong sometimes

bruh

[Gamma Emerald]

{crescent, corwinoid, johny} game solved gg mic drop

i'm feeling this so hard right now

I can see 2/3, can you sell me on Crescent?

Can you point me to specific examples or is it a full game encompassing thing?

I find her hard to read

Pedit— mm… that’s sort of how she plays as town. If anyone else played this way I’d be voting them, but she tends to throw shade around all day long and call lots of things scum until she decides to vote someone eventually.
I’m not saying she’s town but it’s kind of in line with how she acted on the game we just finished and she was town.
She has also said that her scum game is similar to her town game so idk

Pedit 2 - y’all talk quick, this was in response to StD

i was pushing corwin before it was cool

Oh and if you wanna bring up 2273 - I town read you virtually the entire game, and I was right.

I'm not town reading you here.

That’s okay, everyone’s wrong sometimes

weird progression on StD vs. Crescent
I don't rlly think it's scum-indicative (unless I opt to believe Alex is acting on knowledge that they're both town) but felt it should be called out

[Gamma Emerald]

thoughts through page 44:

- i'm p sure crescent is just town now based on outing the stuff in regard to corwin and the level of solving she's getting into right now, just a lot of good thoughts

- i don't like JF's defense of corwin in 1058, feels like hes dodging making substantive commentary

- i'm actually not getting why people are starting to townread gamma, it feels like shes been mostly going with the flow aside from defending marci and i'm slightly sus of her. i don't think she and marci are s/s but my tr there has been weakening

This is honestly fair re: me
Btw I am kinda in a cooldown state after kinda going radioactive for a while so if anyone has a question or comment they’d like to bring to me but feel intimidated by me to do so normally now would probably be a good time to do so
I won’t take well to someone trying to present again a point they’ve already presented to me tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Alex is scum
not sure on the last one but my strong TR are you, marci, crescent, fenrir, and datisi
freedom I kinda feel is town but not super great on that one
idr what roden has exactly done tbf
JF is maybe town but also a bit of a question mark
Bella + Ausuka I think could be both town or T+S with the scum basically riding the mindmeld vibe

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't have anyone in this game pinged as a lolhammerrer

I have done it once or twice before but it’s not a habit

[Gamma Emerald]

oh i just had a different thought

scamper can be not-lockscum for what i said earlier

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

vrej is an expression of stunned shock
I think scamper pretty heavily towntold so that wording of "not lockscum" feels weird af

[Gamma Emerald]

@dats I kinda wanna hear this but I'll let it rest till D2

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm in this game right?

okay good

would it be foolish to TR this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I see marci hasn't posted in over 24 hours, but who's the other that disappeared?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
what abt freedom?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, this may be controversial but I'm actually inclined to town just leave corwin for today. He did mention some rl shit in the newbie and like....if he's scum, we don't need to sort it today.

I'm soft, though.

scum post
VOTE: bellaphant

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah the meta I'm used to is

everyone

gets a roleblocked result.

But if your target was redirected, you only get notified you were redirected if you're an investigation role. Your resulting scan will tell you the person you actually targeted. If you're anything else, you'll know your action was successful, but you won't know where it landed.


Random fun story time: There was a player who was "unknowing backup detective" who was told he was town vanilla (Roles like this are virtually nonexistent there). The detective died night 1, and he inherited a result on

himself

night 1 because the previous guy scanned him.

where did you used to play
it sounds a lot like my homesite except for the shitty atmosphere

[Gamma Emerald]

nah bella scumclaimed
I caught a grammatical error that indicates she backtracked on calling Corwin town and instead opted to just say she was leaving him alone for today

[Gamma Emerald]

1340 is responding to 1337 (lol nice post number)

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, this may be controversial but I'm actually inclined to town just leave corwin for today. He did mention some rl shit in the newbie and like....if he's scum, we don't need to sort it today.

I'm soft, though.

scum post
VOTE: bellaphant

Does Corwin buddy up Bella right away if they're both scum?

don't think they're both scum if I'm right
scum would be more likely to backtrack calling someone town if they wanted to keep them as a misyeet for later

[Gamma Emerald]

the issue is the TYPE of error
why did you backtrack that thought of Corwin being town?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't. Town clearly doesn't belong in that post. When I type to into my phone, the middle option comes up as town. I just wrote 'to' twice and it autocorrected.

I get what you are saying, but that sentence would have to end very differently for it to make sense? I hadn't said they were town before, so why would I be inclined to leave corwin as 'town', if I was scum? If not only have had to write nonsense, but to....lie about a read I'd been really clear on and provided evidence for?

If I was scum and the sentence ended 'town bin' or whatever, what's my motivation for even posting?

okay
VOTE: Corwinoid

[Gamma Emerald]

interesting pop-in

[Gamma Emerald]

no comment on anything else that happened?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

???

[Gamma Emerald]

anyone else wanna chat

I’m on for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
what abt freedom?

Sorry.
Forgot about this game.
Catching up now.

How is that what you see coming in?

[Gamma Emerald]

nah bella scumclaimed
I caught a grammatical error that indicates she backtracked on calling Corwin town and instead opted to just say she was leaving him alone for today

i'm not really sure i see it but this is a towny post

It was a mega overreaction of an "ah ha!" Moment.

How is it an over-reaction, I feel like I explained rationally.

[Gamma Emerald]

There would be too many Town PRs and suggest that Mafia has some fancy PRs too.

This part

It was in my opinion that Normal Games are usually not Role Madness and 4 Town PRs seems a bit too much for the norm.

okay
what abt freedom?

Sorry.
Forgot about this game.
Catching up now.

How is that what you see coming in?

It was the first unread post.

Feels a bit weird, thought you searched your name

[Gamma Emerald]

ok so

- i think the rest of the hood is probably town

- while i realize we cant give credit for having pushed corwin since he flipped traitor, i still think crescent is very town

- i think ausuka, gamma. and datisi are all probable town on play

- my poe rn is just johnny/marci/alex/bella

Idk about an all-town hood based on the traitor flip
Atp the remaining neighbors are freedom and StD tho so not rlly thinking it’s worth pursuing this logic anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh whwn is anyone ever sure what im doing

maybe if yall would get off my ass for 1 second i might feel more welcomed

rude i tried for like the first 2 hrs until i got wagoned

This is literally me from Eurybia’s Curse

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s all well and good when it seems like you never actually established the reason behind your SR on me in the first place

[Gamma Emerald]

How about you do so
What did I do regarding crescent that pinged you?

[Gamma Emerald]

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma ur clearly scum as well

keeps promising ur gonna play games w me but u never do...

jk i have other rzns

Does Stardew have multiplayer? I picked it up during the Steam Summer Sale this year
Also, will be interesting to see these reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I am not fully recovered but am feeling a bit better

I agree marcostar feels townier now (I kind of feel like she wouldn't do the appeal to emotion as scum but maybe I'm too naive)

Idk where to put my vote though

[Gamma Emerald]

JF you wanna actually bother to explain your read on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: johnnyfarrar

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s also the fact he’s a hard read and I think that’s tactical on his part

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why are you Sus of me

I think one of you/Bella is buddying the other

[Gamma Emerald]

I was concerned that you're only now acknowledging the AtE as potentially towny
I feel like it's been happening a while before you took it on board

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

alright so trying to read through gammas iso:

the early comment on townpinging alex feels like a stretchy read

im slightly bothered still by how she backed down on her scumread of me quickly, because it makes me wonder whether it was even real in the first place

similarly the read on one of cres/shos is whatever to me but the fact she doesnt really do anything with it until shoshin started pushing her pings me

a significant chunk of her posts all read like commentary to me, there's a lot of responding to things other people were saying but not a lot of what i would call analysis or game-advancing content

the argument with shoshin doesnt really come off looking great, i dont like the way she reacts to shoshin attacking her and the accusation of her being "wishy-washy" is nonsense, it looks like applying a generic buzzword that doesnt really fit shoshins behavior

im bothered by how she 180'd her read when freedom showed up because it feels very conveniently timed, 639 feels like a reachy justification to move off a vote

at this point gamma wraps u all her attantion in defending marcistar and again im noting she doesnt actually have a scumread she wants to push at this point. if shes convinced marcistar is town i would expect an effort to sort her voters but i dont get that here, i get more the impression gamma is talking about this stuff because she wants to be seen as being right on marci

there was reference to a secret scumread at 76 and im not sure anything ever came of it?

904 is a super weird post, because it looks more like she wants someone to talk her into scumreading alex than to actually defend alex?

but she has no scumreads she seemed to actually care about

1084 -> 1094 is a line of questioning i dont see the use of and the fact she was so easily satisfied with the answer is Hmm

she kind of just seems to be going with the flow as the corwin wagon builds

notably gamma is putting some suspicion on alex as the wagon on corwin was building and calling out a scumread on him but has had no followthrough on it today, or on her scumread of bella

and i'm not really sure what she's doing right now on day 2...


so overall i'm not really sure why i'm townreading her at all

ngl
If you weren’t basically conftown I’d be scumreading the shit out of this
This entire wall looks like you are deliberately spouting the most uncharitable takes possible on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Also: my Alex SR kinda evaporated today as a result of a) the traitor flip and b) Alex having some nuanced takes today

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I want to try and rebut that wall but there’s just 100% bullshit so idk where to even start

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw the secret scumread was on Ausuka

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: crescent
I think she’s trying to play both sides here. Before STD’s result she was shading JF and after she tries to sling mud onto the JF voters

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: crescent
I think she’s trying to play both sides here. Before STD’s result she was shading JF and after she tries to sling mud onto the JF voters

Except you tried to do it with Corwin/Bella, and now you're trying to do it with Bella/Ausuka.

>:/
How did I try to do it with Corwin/Bella
And Bella/Ausuka is a self-proposed concept that I am suspicious of but not acting upon because I lack a decisive factor that makes me lean one way or the other. If I were scum I’d make something up so I could pick one to push.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why are you Sus of me

I mean this feels like what he was doing earlier when she suspected the Shoshin/freedom slot when they were being fairly obvious town for no apparent reason?

Idk I just think it's flimsy and given that everyone else is able to townread me I find it suspicious. I think it's difficult to see the motivation to play like that as either alignment but it's maybe easier to see as coming from scum than a genuine town thought process.

Pedit: You know I'm not a lurker I'm just ill. I promise I'm not trying to be inactive

Maybe it’s that I’m a natural skeptic and didn’t want to just put away Shoshin as town?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to mention though in general, this vote fits in line with the vibe I have gotten from Gamma today. Gamma is throwing shade all over the place: Alex, Ausuka, Bella, JF, and myself so far. No one else has consistently tried to throw mud on as many different players as Gamma, who is now voting me for slinging mud onto a consistent group of people I've already said I think scum is part of. I don't even know where the Ausuka shade is coming from.

...It is interesting how the name "Datisi" does not appear in a single Gamma post today outside of quoting Scamper once.

I don’t recall calling Alex sus at all today? At most it was towards the very beginning before he started posting stuff I liked.

[Gamma Emerald]

You tried to set up an awkward but harmless looking Bella post as indicative that Bella was scum and Corwin was town.

That was not “playing both sides”, that was a full turnaround on the situation. Keep over-reaching, it’s a

great

look for you!

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

would you rather wagon gamma or alex

That's what's come into question recently. At the start of the day it was Alex. What I dislike the most out of their recent play comes from Gamma though.

I dislike the way Gamma has continued to go about shading Bella and Ausuka today. I townread both, and Gamma has been trying to set them up as a 1 town/1 scum since yesterday. There has been no actual explanation for comments like "I think one of you is buddying the other".

But where the play really loses it's feeling of consistency is when probably the biggest fencesitter in the game votes someone for fencesitting.

I did not say fencesitting, I said playing both sides.
And if you legitimately thought JF was town even before StD claimed a result on him, then a) how? and b) you need to work on articulating such things better.

[Gamma Emerald]

You tried to set up an awkward but harmless looking Bella post as indicative that Bella was scum and Corwin was town.

That was not “playing both sides”, that was a full turnaround on the situation. Keep over-reaching, it’s a

great

look for you!

Of course it's playing both sides.

Bella dies, flips town, and you go "oops".

Then Corwin gets murdered anyway. The only difference is taking a town out first.

Why the fuck would I hear Bella out at all then? I withdrew that FoS after clearing up what was actually the case. If my plan was to turn things around for a town lim, that doesn’t make sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

To put it in other words: Corwin was supposed to flip "town" when that stance was being made, so Gamma could immediately backpedal on calling Alex scum.

Him flipping Traitor apparently wasn't in the plan yet, whoops <3

Yeah this is horseshit. You claimed I was trying to delay Corwin’s flip earlier but here you say I was planning for Corwin to flip town?

Nice try scumbag!

[Gamma Emerald]

To put it in other words: Corwin was supposed to flip "town" when that stance was being made, so Gamma could immediately backpedal on calling Alex scum.

Him flipping Traitor apparently wasn't in the plan yet, whoops <3

Yeah this is horseshit. You claimed I was trying to delay Corwin’s flip earlier but here you say I was planning for Corwin to flip town?

Nice try scumbag!

Bella was a target of opportunity later on when it was dead obvious Corwin was scum. You can't plan for things like that.

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

Datisi - maybe
Bellaphant - maybe
Ausuka - probably not
Crescent - maybe
Alexcellent - maybe?
JohnnyFarrar - maybe?
Save The Dragons - woooooof
scamper - probably not
Freedom - probably not
marcistar - probably not
Gamma Emerald - probably not

…

[Gamma Emerald]

That's sure a lot of maybes.

This was my thought as well
I’ll at least give you your thought process seems consistent
Still think your analysis of my Bella vote has a gaping hole in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

that's a POE of 5 that's not huge

You’re voting a “maybe” tho
I think you should use different words to express that idea

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Datisi orange? I think he’s felt rather genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

That's sure a lot of maybes.

This was my thought as well
I’ll at least give you your thought process seems consistent
Still think your analysis of my Bella vote has a gaping hole in it.

The Bella vote came off as an insane overreaction to me. Scum has more of a reason to have that reaction in that situation than town does.

To reference myself from yesterday, I'm pretty sure I called it "A mega overreaction of an "Ah ha!" moment".

I play Ace Attorney, I sometimes act dramatic, get over it
That’s also not what I meant by the gaping hole.

[Gamma Emerald]

I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

[Gamma Emerald]

I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

Bella giving an explanation just gave you an actual reason to do it. That vote was obviously going nowhere as far as forming a train goes, and it was pretty clear no one was going to be joining in.

There's no hole.

I think you see a puzzle that looks almost complete and are trying to ram the last piece in when a whole bunch of others are in the wrong spots

[Gamma Emerald]

notably gamma is putting some suspicion on alex as the wagon on corwin was building and calling out a scumread on him but has had no followthrough on it today, or on her scumread of bella

I was curious if scamper's wall had a note on my bella vote that I missed and I noticed this
So scamper clearly sees I didn't push Alex today, so where do you get off pushing the idea I've been shading him today Crescent? You seem to have dropped it for the most part but it's still shady that you tried to bloat up the list of names that I've pushed today!

[Gamma Emerald]

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.

you know what would help with this

running some fuckers up

who are you voting for?

The problem is I'm townreading all the inactives, and the only two people I am interested in voting for right now are Alex and Gamma.

We've gotten little to nothing out of Bella, Freedom, Johnny, Marci, and STD (until just recently it was nothing). None of these people are in my POE.

And now just like 2273, I'm overexerting myself trying to make up for the fact that half the town isn't doing a damned thing.

question: how active were the scum in 2273? Because I know I'm town and feel good about Alex being town so my inclination is that if you're town you're wrong about some of the inactives.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
if you had to pick 1 inactive player out of this game as scum, who would it be?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

btw: I said this hoping to get some questions about it

[Gamma Emerald]

what is different between this game and 2273 for Alex? You're welcome to quote your previous explanation if there is one, I think I asked about this earlier