Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Datisi]

this is basically close to my argument as to why im town, i think my play in my scumgame was significantly more "in control" in terms of what i did and how i reacted to things

ever so slightly raising an eyebrow since you seem aware of that, but alright

Coral all throughout the game has been very analytical, nuanced, and her thoughts feel really grounded within the game. It's evident that they are trying to solve the game beyond just a surface level to try and appear townie.

ctrl+f'ing "coral" through meg's iso, this at least tracks, though that doesn't mean i actually think this read makes sense. coral does write a lot of words, but a lot of them struck me as moreso playstyle than actual deep analysis. maybe i do owe her posts a reread, though.

This was the start of the reason I was wolfreading both of your slots. But, then as the game went on and it turned into "oh they're friends and oh this is Ausuka's personality" it made me pause. But, after pausing if I looked at it from just a base level you guys didn't look like partners and while I was kinda hardtownreading Ausuka for a lot of the thread (and mainly thinking you were a wolf)

in the world Ausuka wasn't a wolf it was hard for me to come to a world where you were a villager

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i still don't understand where the bolded comes from. like, the way i'm reading this is "dats/ausuka are sus for their interactions with one another > oh nvm they're friends this is nai > ??? > if ausuka is town, then dats very likely isn't" and i don't understand what the ??? in your thought process here is

[Datisi]

I mean probably but it seems like a towny thought for meg to have? idk

is the only reason that is a townie thought from meg "coral is overall low in poe so it would benefit scum to push there and meg isn't pushing there"?

[Datisi]

i also did misread the xayah readslist with > signs, but. the explanation for it is *fine, i guess* and i don't really have a problem with xayah joking around, mostly bc that fits with their personality from what i remember of it.

and like. idk i think if you compare xayah and meg i think meg is playing like last scum standing more than xayah is. because i feel like xayah is taking the approach of "let's solve this game so that once i'm dead, this town can still get the W" and meg is taking the approach "push xayah through, feel out the thread for further pushes". because. i'm not overly convinced by their read on coral ("she's playing analytically and solving" wow ok), and i'm thinking it might be designed that way. to make people look at it and not be convinced by it so that hopefully others push coral through for them.

i'm also feeling uncomfy from the fact that their reads for scum seem to be xayah, then me and gamma, and gamma is very likely to never die and both me/xayah are the ones pushing meg. so this feels like getting ready for tomorrow where xayah is dead.

in gamestates like these, i'm always assuming scum is planning to win the game. so i'm looking for people that seem to be doing things that would allow scum-them to survive til endgame. and don't really think xayah fits that?

ok i'm gonna go eat then look at some other things

[Datisi]

i wish i wasn't constantly working afternoons these days bc there is basically nobody online during european mornings and i value real-time

yelling

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@coral, what do you think about my 1127? anything specifically from meg that struck you as a townie thought process or whatever you called it?

@gamma, what are your thoughts on xayah rn?

@scamper, any reason you're not voting coral rn?

[Ausuka]

I mean probably but it seems like a towny thought for meg to have? idk

is the only reason that is a townie thought from meg "coral is overall low in poe so it would benefit scum to push there and meg isn't pushing there"?

:shrug: it felt genuine to me, i don't expect you to agree

[Ausuka]

i also think "I don't mind dying" is a pretty common and obvious approach for scum to take when they're in a pretty much impossible position

off the top of my head it's what wallflower did in pyp and i think hem did something similar

[Datisi]

i also think "I don't mind dying" is a pretty common and obvious approach for scum to take when they're in a pretty much impossible position

off the top of my head it's what wallflower did in pyp and i think hem did something similar

i think good scum players, like xayah is, are more unlikely to do that bc i think they know that town very very often calls that bluff.

like i'd be expecting someone with xayah's scum caliber to come into this thread and actively be shaking up the gamestate instead of solidifying it the way she's doing.

[Ausuka]

ok but i think town is very very very likely to call that bluff too and she would also know that

[Ausuka]

like if she comes in pushing datisi or something instead of meg and coral the widespread response will just be 'lol'

[Datisi]

that is what i said, yes?

pedit: well yeah, that is why i wouldn't expect an "actually ausuka is the final scum here actually, fuck you". i'd expect an "i think [scummy person] is final scum, but if they're not then we should maye be looking at [townie person] and [townie person]". because, if the town misyeets once, the gamestate could change well enough that the town doesn't just midlessly keep swatting in the "collective PoE" but starts looking around, or if they do swatting in the PoE then the person with more consistency looks better. and saying "we're killing in [me, scummy1, scummy2] this game" does the opposite of promoting the mindset lower-scum needs to win right now

[Datisi]

say xayah flips town. who's your next suspect?

[Ausuka]

I mean she has a push pool of meg coral datisi

I don't really buy the argument that because she's unlikely to win with her current tactic she wouldn't choose it, because she's really unlikely to win with any tactic

[Ausuka]

say xayah flips town. who's your next suspect?

meg probably

[Ausuka]

i mean I'm still not convinced about scamper either but whatever

[Ausuka]

Look I'm sorry if you don't like my play dats I'm trying my best ok

[Datisi]

i'm not mad??? i'm not even 100% on meg being scum bc if i were i would be pushing much more strongly there. i'm just trying to Solve The Game, sorry if i came off condescending or something, wasn't my intention

[Ausuka]

No you're fine I'm just tired I think

I am also not sure on the last scum but I guess I don't really want either xayah or meg to live to endgame so, shrug

[Datisi]

@meg, can you give me some examples of coral posts that you found analytically/nuancedly townie?

i just half-read through her iso, and while her posts aren't

bad

, i don't think i've seen anything that struck me as "this is analytical in a way that i really struggle seeing scum fake this". i don't think she's scum for it obviously, but it does make me wanna see more elaboration on the claim she's town for it.

i do think 476 and 482 (calling ari/ausuka/meg townie when they were shitfighting) are +town, considering that galron was already getting suspicion on him, and ausuka had just called out more of his posts. like, coral was at the time voting xayah, and i don't think that wagon was very likely to go though. and she also said she's still suspicious of don, which had a bit more chance to go though, but galron was already voting there and i don't think(?) scum is eager to double up like that in that gamestate. and the next person she'd logically push would be galron, based on 279.

this also strikes me as a counterintuitive progression to have as scum with galron. it doesn't help galron, it doesn't look good as a bus.

[scamper]

i also think "I don't mind dying" is a pretty common and obvious approach for scum to take when they're in a pretty much impossible position

off the top of my head it's what wallflower did in pyp and i think hem did something similar

i think good scum players, like xayah is, are more unlikely to do that bc i think they know that town very very often calls that bluff.

like i'd be expecting someone with xayah's scum caliber to come into this thread and actively be shaking up the gamestate instead of solidifying it the way she's doing.

i kind of think she acts like that no matter what in her position tbh, about the only way she doesnt get flipped here is if enough people decide she looks like shes really willing to die and second-guess onto someone else. (im also a little paranoid of her townreading me so strongly)

[scamper]

From my perspective, it looks like you're openly just having fun messing around as caught scum, because I don't think anything you're saying here makes sense from a town mindset.

thats not really the impression i get at all, and i dont think shed mess around as scum

Coral all throughout the game has been very analytical, nuanced, and her thoughts feel really grounded within the game. It's evident that they are trying to solve the game beyond just a surface level to try and appear townie.

i think shes going to post analytically regardless of alignment...

I mean probably but it seems like a towny thought for meg to have? idk

yeah im not particularly sussing meg, i think their play is more aloof as scum

[scamper]

this is basically close to my argument as to why im town, i think my play in my scumgame was significantly more "in control" in terms of what i did and how i reacted to things

ever so slightly raising an eyebrow since you seem aware of that, but alright

i mean being aware of it is one thing, but i dont really think i try to duplicate that because lashing out at people has a significant chance of backfiring

@scamper, any reason you're not voting coral rn?

im not really confident its coral, i dont know what i want to do with my vote yet

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