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Spoiler:

I'll indulge a bit in datisis game though I might end up off.
Warning, if you open the second spoiler you could have a hard time coming up with your own from being primed.

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But once his fiance broke the computer and now his work went down?

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To become a giant out of a fairy, you must get superjacked first

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I don't have a preference rn, I've still barely read, and I greatly doubt I'll be able to read enough this day phase to be able to provide useful takes. So I'm just a sheep to be led rn.

Reads a tad burnt out

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I kinda am, I've been gameing a fair bit recently and it's been more taxing than I would like, and also left me with little energy for mafia

Sorry to hear that. Second half of this game for me had enough funny parts to be worth reading. First was a bit more tense cause I saw too much and felt bamboozled.

It‘s more of a pleasant read if you read backwards, had a bit of fun with woofbringer the fourth but ofc as a replacement it‘s more meh

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Still cool you replaced in when that could almost count as feeling Ill, GE

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Ah so that was PoP
Damn, I feel like I can‘t read now.
Hope they‘re town, post was so good it could make one dizzy

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Owen prod? Or did they lose the courage to read

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I used to play Quake, but am too lazy to look up what the difference from an earthquake could be.
Either way, not too much into conventional games these days.

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VOTE: Malakittens

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Yeah pressure during exams is a d-move I suppose.

UNVOTE:

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Spoiler: Post 1330

Is it still Fred or what? This wagon keeps getting to the end and dying. Let’s do it

I don't understand why you are trying to rush this. Four days on the countdown there are.

Plays like someone who wants to lim smarties with exams quickly

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idk what happens, probably it's not mafia but "let's not piss off anyone" game.

Did Mala said anything clearing? No.
Does it makes Mala less likely mafia? No.
Why we unvoting? It's dickish move to press ppl on exams. Exams of course makes you innocent.


We can kill Vivax instead why not.

Or we could launch you into the sun

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I am popping in quickly, I cannot follow anything rhat has happened lately and make sense of it. Especially enchants vote

It's rebellion lmao

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Fred's 1 away from getting smoked. What is he, smoking?
Who wants to do the honours? Enchant claimed that he loved hammering at some point.

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I guess there also is an alternative explanation, and that is that

Crescent

is a deepwolf who became town leader, and that I am absolutely wasting my effort right now.

You are my leader, so you are not wasting your effort

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I am feeling much better now. See you at the endgame.

Endgame is best game

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Viavx - It's hard to explain, but there was multiple posts that just gave me heebie-jeebies

I get that a lot.
Guess that means I'm a proficient writer

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I'm not paranoid about either Crescent or Greeting, both are surely town.

Specifically this post. I don't think scum makes this post as the vote leader concerning someone scum would pretty desperately want to see remain in the POE in Lowell. This one post gives me a soft town read on Malcolm, as it's a thought no one else in the game specifically wrote out. and it feels like a genuine process to sort Lowell.

Good reminder that I wanted Malcolm to answer 918.

Team liar leader outing the mafia in this post?

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I wanna end day voting in Malcolm/UNO

VOTE: Malcolm

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Team liar leader outing the mafia in this post?

How can you say that, I'm the most honest and transparent person there ever was.

I really should learn how to write a joke

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I wanna end day voting in Malcolm/UNO

VOTE: Malcolm

i wonder how many naughty points one person can accumulate in a game?

Can I see your list to find out?

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Oh crap I posted that in the wrong game.

Yep I'm tired.

Have a stimulant on me

VOTE: Crescent

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I should probably take advantage of this phase for a crescendo, and MT looks town to me now.

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VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

soz my vote slipped

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Make sure your A/C is running flawlessly before I begin removing limiters

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Doubt enchanted is scum

But he made a reads list.
What happened to the rule of law?

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This game is dead. Scum wins.

It just needs recovery time

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VOTE: UNOwen

I don't have an example of how UNOwen plays town so far, so I'd have to go purely off the feeling at the entrance

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If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

Why aren't you bothered by the wagon against you?

This post doesn't look good to me. It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions aren't genuine information seeking.

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Had to learn how to take a joke quickly, maybe overdid it in the process.
Then tend to assume others have the same degree of self-deprecation and get too cheeky.
But if the cheekyness doesn't get digested, weird shit happens.

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This post doesn't look good to me. It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions aren't genuine information seeking.

I'm not sure whether you're genuinely pushing me on this post, but if so you're correct that it was a loaded question. The most logical answer was that Meg was scum, and by pushing him on it I was trying to draw attention to an argument that I hoped would convince people. Of course there was a chance Meg would be town and have an answer that didn't occur to me too, I wasn't expecting it by then though.

Your expectation that they would flip mafia flowed into the post and so you worded it too aggressively imo.
The mafia curse of wanting to look right.

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I

specifically

laid out my reason why UNOwen is town and the next thing I know a wagon forms on them. This is outrageous. Why is it so hard to elim Malcolm?

Votecount analysis is easy to manipulate. If you see Crescent, Andante and Prince coming in with the oomph wagon on Meg, you might want to start to cover your butt if you don't feel like fighting.
That said, for the way I reacted negatively to that I could be a decent push here, but I get the feeling the remaining mafia don't want to try that.

UNOwen's Meg vote couldn't have been a bus. UNOwen changed his vote from Vivax to Meg here. Even before Lowell changes his vote from Meg to Fred. Since we now know Fred is town, this means UNOwen chose to put Meg at the leading wagon at greater than parity with a very limmable wagon. That's not the partner dynamic we're looking for. So that puts UNOwen at least likeliest busser.

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And the least likeliest bussers would be firebringer and Greeting, so tbh that reasoning calling Owen the least likely makes you look scummier.

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least likey* >_<

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I can change target on a whim cause I'm not afraid to look inconsistent. Got a nudge from Andante into the trees direction, opened Owens filter and found a valid reason.
I believe that Prince, if scum, is the last elim to pursue. His push for the hammer on Fred was good enough to honour, but also mafia motivated.

And the three mentioned went for Meg all around the same page. So it was some kind of super mindmeld, or cooperation at least.

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I think I can't convince mafia, so I'll wait for a few townreads of mine to show up and see what they think.
Which are logically the ones who aren't my scumreads.

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I think I can't convince mafia, so I'll wait for a few townreads of mine to show up and see what they think.
Which are logically the ones who aren't my scumreads.

Okay, but it isn't really about convincing. You gave a read that was supported by a narrative that is simply not accurate. What is your opinion now that you know the basis you provided is false?

I like your style, you're persistent and ambitious.
But I don't like the timings at which it shows.

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There's no conspiracy here. You were just plain wrong Vivax.

I hear gas and see a light

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Dunno I feel wicked smaht to be completely honest
Except for the fact that I can feel your frustration at dealing with it
That could just be something I'm imagining, but you will know

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Prince gets his tires deflated by flattery
Unsure by lack of belief (in themselves or otherwise)

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Enchant what happened to you? Same to Crescent.
You don't feel the same as at earlier times.

Just 4 more votes on Owen for another mafia down, presumably. Not voting that outs you.

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I'm not picky when it comes to the order of elimination.
It looks like you're back to clarity and sheepable in my books, but you are also a very restrained voter.
Happy to see your thoughts flow back into the game.

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

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I suppose I'll put my ambitions on the backburner here and take aim at the suddenly humongously big bearded fairy
Can't complain after a successful D1, so let's see if the suspects take me to the right place.

VOTE: Enchant

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Sorry, not posting much today and only quickly scanning the thread. Did vivax really vote for 7 different people since I last posted?

Did you expect another number?

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Some random semi-scientific thoughts before crashing, because why the fudge not
A surface is shallow by definition and the combined surfaces of the unseen inner volume outnumber its area by much more

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When the host gets so bored with the game state that he starts to post more than the players and dreams of eggplant BDSM
magical

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feels

You wouldn't happen to be a mafia taunting me by hopping around here would you?
What do you make of Enchants mood change? Your mood seems to be a tad melancholic.

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You guys know this game is a team-based effort?

I mean, we can dig out evidence and dangle it in front of faces. But whether it convinces you is up to the individual players so maybe it's an individual introspective effort to not overvalue one's own beliefs instead.

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I really don't know what else I can do to convince everyone that MT is the right elim here. I've laid out everything and I even exposed MT when he slipped about the purpose of his vote. Getting tired of pushing there when I end up just being misrepresented by Lowell and Firebringer whenever they say that my case is just about MT's quickhammer. It's not.

If no one else wants me to follow there, I can always wagon Enchant and can also do Vivax, Malakittens, Lowell... even Andante who have stopped being townie since D1.

I will sheep Crescent's Firebringer read until a certain point in the game. I won't be voting PoP, UNOwen, Crescent, geraintm. Greeting until a certain point of the game as well.

This post comes off as townie. Almost too bad you aren't being wagoned, cause then that'd be useful info

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VOTE: Firebringer

I swear but not really that was just a joke

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VOTE: Enchant

-2 I think.

Sometimes you just need to talk it out

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Oh no!

Don't put me at E-1! Someone could quickhammer me!...

Oh wait, that's me.

Any last gourds?

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Gera what's holding you back from simply voting Enchant here?
I thought we'd hold hands, sing kumbaya and pull through with it, not pile on new stuff. Or are you pre-casing me if they flip mafia?

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Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.

Desperate? Interesting take.

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We playing hellraiser here clearly, where's the enigma box?

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Deep down at the bottom of the ocean? Or maybe safely locked away overseas until it calls for its custodian?
Do you want me to start writing fiction of otherworldly horrors? I‘m quite decent at that.

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Let's just end this day can we jesus

Can relate to this.
Maybe we‘re the eggplants here and someone called Eden is having fun slow-roasting us

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like, none yall can give a solid reason to yeet UNO, so like... what are we doing

The loaded question to Meg.
And now following into footsteps gera laid out for them to slowly build up a SR on me.
Then, my escape room analogy that UNO was too content not trying to find the right elim during most of D2.

I feel like I have laid out all I had to but if no one wants to play along, I'll have to play along with the rest. Standard.

Of course I'd go UNOwen over Enchant here if that changed.

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are we just randomly voting people out and hoping they flip red?

Presumably we're hoping that efforts get recognized, players work together and agree on a common target without demanding to get credit for it just for themselves.
That's usually what happens when everyone plays this game the way it's supposed to be played, without ulterior motivations.

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Woawa what did I check into now?
Andante came back with a vengeance. Here‘s a sword for the cause.

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

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VOTE: Enchant

If I had a buck every time I had to change votes this game.

Whack! from the left, whack! from the right. My convictions are bereft and launched into the night.

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Greeting trying to manipulate you all with "WE ARE TEAM" and other bullshit again.

You need to swing that sword much harder if you want the threads to stop connecting

Maybe you remember the old packages with this line

✂Cut here✂ -> ------------------------ <- Cut here

Lobster is my random word of the day

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Would you prefer to meet Cthulhu or a giant soul-eating space lobster if you had the choice?

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Spoiler:

Spoiler:

This game is dead. Scum wins.

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When the host is Datisi, it can only be that easy

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GUYS
WHY IS ENCHANT SCUM

SRSLY

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Knock before entering and shouting what the fook

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GUYS
WHY IS ENCHANT SCUM

SRSLY

because i am eeeeeeeeeeeeevil

I refuse to believe that

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yo, who is most likely to die tonight? none yall are towny

I think you just answered that yourself

Cres sitting in a trench for that reason maybe

Quick!Do something scummy

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To write creatively, get better at it and have fun?
To learn how to see through lies and how to lie?
To write memorable interactive stories?
Maybe learn some cool superpower along the way?

Like getting yourself entertained on demand by thinking about moments from past games.
Or sending peeps into a fit of rage.

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can we just end the day? I'm genuinely over this game

What do you think is the reason that a few players are deliberately choosing to be stubborn arsehats?

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can we just end the day? I'm genuinely over this game

What do you think is the reason that a few players are deliberately choosing to be stubborn arsehats?

are you saying that's me for not voting enchant?

Lol no, you're part of the game rescue team at this point.
I'm talking about the more silent ones that never want to agree with anyone on anything.

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I don't really have any issue with Greeting. Felt like one of the more cooperative players who cares about the game.

The meh slots in my books are MT, Lowell, UNO and only lately FB to me (but acceptable when V/LA). Geraintm also a tad dishonest in his ways.

Here we go again yay

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

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Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

Within game context. I hope that goes without saying.
I just don't see the point of stalling the phase even if you think I'm mafia.
Surely there's someone you think is town in the game who has made a suggestion you can follow along when your own doesn't get traction, but maybe you just honestly like the phase to last as long as possible?

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Vivax looks like happy person.

Let's ruin his day with votes?

If I get voted off I get voted off
If I get my day ruined by a game of words, I probably shouldn't play it (or influence it so it doesn't)

Regardless, this made me laugh

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Prince I don‘t know what your read on MT is at this point after having a look at your ISO.
Apologies if I missed it, but that‘s relevant if you are calling FB mafia for pre-pushing Malcolm.

Crescent casing Greeting so extensively and then voting Prince confuses me.

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Don‘t know about you but I had fun. Might be an attitude thing, it‘s up to me if I take out the good or the bad out of the game at a given moment.
The only issue to me is the stalling but when you stall I can shitpost and still have fun.

Still, the last pages are impressive content wise.
The whole notion from FB that mala always recognizes Ench town is a bit enigmatic, but I‘ll take it.

Yes I‘ll go bear avengers lmao

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I want to execute Enchant because no-one seems interested in voting Lowell and I don't want to execute Prince. He can be scum because of what I said in 1507 but I'm not confident in it.

If the numbers aren't there for Enchant then I'd be ok with voting Malakittens.

Sorry, but your post 1507 doesn't talk about why Prince could be scum.
Do you not think that Lowell, MK and MT could have a very easy time here if mafia? Maybe we should vote there instead since obviously everyone who has posted substantially on the last pages has some semblance of interest in this game.

If we start policy limming slots that seem to stall on purpose it's not a bad thing, and that's everyone who's unable to go along with their strongest townreads to at the very least move the game forward.

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*bangs head on table*

Please stop, you're hurting the table

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1771 post I need to EBWOP.
Wrongly calling out the wrong ones in places lol, took me the votecount to see that. Thanks to everyone who has at least voted.

MT and MK are left to make up their mind.

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Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

Within game context. I hope that goes without saying.
I just don't see the point of stalling the phase even if you think I'm mafia.
Surely there's someone you think is town in the game who has made a suggestion you can follow along when your own doesn't get traction, but maybe you just honestly like the phase to last as long as possible?

you are telling me to sheep someone else. you think i am trying to stall today by voting for you?

No, maybe you have other intentions. A wagon on me by a townie could cause a mafia to join you on it.
Maybe you play 4D chess? I don‘t know, but I don‘t really believe that you would really believe I have more scum equity over the other two wagons.

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Well I certainly hope you are mafia when having that opinion, cause if you‘re town and think I can play scum like this, you also believe I can bend spoons and ride on carpets lmao

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Prince I don‘t know what your read on MT is at this point after having a look at your ISO.
Apologies if I missed it, but that‘s relevant if you are calling FB mafia for pre-pushing Malcolm.

Crescent casing Greeting so extensively and then voting Prince confuses me.

You're right that on a surface level it is confusing, but Crescent likes to find associations prior to flips, there's already a wagon on me, and she has prior suspicion of me. The point about Greeting only really makes sense if Greeting is defending me as a scum partner, anyway. So I think it's a reasonable thought and a reasonable vote.

Of the four people I called town, Malcolm is probably the one I'm least confident on, but I do still believe him to be town.

I just realized how funny it is that someone with such polished, detailed posts as Prince is keen on defending one of the votes on their wagon that acted inconsistently in the process.

TMI level: Defending own voters

(possibly)

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The opinion that Prince of Paterson shouldn‘t be considered as possible mafia until later when we elimmed less vocal scumreads was also one I shared earlier in the day.

My choice was UNO, but I have to adapt to other opinions as well, and think I would rather be on this wagon than Enchants.

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I want to be feared
You to fear that every time you look back at these games, any of you might die of laughing and crying

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Or maybe from banging your head against the table.
To each their own I guess

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lowell

Got excruciating pains today. Yeah I know that's brutally interesting, it's as if someone turned on a remote everytime it happened.

Could vote Lowell over Prince here.

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VOTE: Enchant

Ping-Pong

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Fairly curious to see if DWLees only scumread was correct.

Which was that Ench with readslist=scum

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The prospect of rebuilding a wagon from scratch is too terrifying for me to try to go Malcolm atp

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The odds that at least one of the wagons on Ench and Prince is on mafia seem pretty high to me. In TvT wagons a hammer would likely happen earlier.

And their partners not too unlikely to be on the sidelines waiting for everyone to mindgame themselves out of their vote before they decide to vote with the majority.

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If you are town and voting outside of the two you should really ask yourself the question: 'Who am I currently helping?'

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Fiiine, you have a point there.
We can make it three, but it was already very tedious to make it two wagons. Fingers crossed, and the host cursed, for having to count all these votes.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

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Thought excursion: When would you use the word bendable over flexible?
In a mental gymnastics context.

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lol @ that flavour

Prince is already cooked to the point he doesn‘t want a wagon to swing from him, whatever that means lol

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If all these people come back to play shortly before their heads roll, the right thing to post would be ‚let them eat cake‘

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Thought excursion: When would you use the word bendable over flexible?
In a mental gymnastics context.

I'm feeling very very personally attacked rn.

I have natural tendencies to categorise things in a binary fashion. It is stronger than me and affects my life in much more severe ways than just reads in a mafia game. If you look at it this way, I am too stiff to flex. I can, however, recognise this as a flaw and only try to work around it and bend. But still, this game only has two alignments, which perhaps makes black-and-white thinking more useful than not.

You‘re contributing to the game by being flexible. If town has to vote with scumreads to make the game enjoyable, everyone wins and it doesn‘t end up feeling like a chamber of empty echoes for more sensible ones.

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Ok with this wagon.

UNVOTE: Enchant
VOTE: MalcolmTucker

I‘ll perform a rain dance as a sign of gratitude

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I'd still be content to eliminate Enchant.

I couldn‘t have written let them eat cake better myself

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but i do believe it. i have written a bunch of posts about it.

Malcolm what do you think of this post?

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Spoiler:

VOTE: Enchant

Might as well put a vote down given no threat of hammer currently.

Actually I'd specifically claim a vig with a special feature, but refuse to expose what that feature was, only to reveal it if someone I shot didn't die.

Also, he still didn't even bother to vote Enchant or anything, yet he made 3 separate posts for his claim. This suggests he's more focused on making his claim stick than he is in actually hunting scum.

I've made it quite explicitly clear multiple times this game that I've been struggling for reads and have been TR'ing more players than is really viable, I've just really struggled to get a sense of this game and where things are at. I apologise for that but I'm not going to pretend I have more reads than I do just to be townread because that'd be dishonest. I'd argue as scum I'd be much more likely to be careful and sensible about my positioning around other players.

Anyway, eliminate me if you prefer, I'll come back town and you'll have miseliminated a townie when their role is provable.

UNVOTE:

Most annoyingly, it's fits Malcolm.

This is a turn of events that makes me go hmm

Vote on Enchant
AtE posts from Malcolm
Enchant unvotes (after claiming vigilante too)

2 mafia fakeclaims at once?

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I am Hagrid.

How the hell you suspect Hagrid.

Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal

I am Vigilante.

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IT WAS BLATANT JOKE OH GOD

Would you be yeeted over MT here? What's the point of downplaying MTs elim over yours? We have stalled enough.
What are you, Richard Stallman?

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MalcolmTucker [5]: Andante, Vivax, Unsure, UNOwen, geraintm
Enchant [3]: Prince of Paterson, Greeting, MalcolmTucker
Prince of Paterson [2]: Lowell, Malakittens
Malakittens [1]: Firebringer

not voting [2]: Crescent, Enchant

Can you make any sense of Lowell, Mala and FB's positions here?

Do you think there's no mafia there? Or is the mafia all on this MT wagon?

In which case, what's the downside to hammering around here?

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This page has very strong ‚a fox got dragged out of its hole and is now howling‘ vibes from Malcolm.
If town, I don‘t really see the justification for the former apathy and stalling unless there‘s some sort of Schadenfreude behind it, which is hopefully not the case.

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Currently sunbasking at a forest lake watching ducks swim by, I‘ll go for a quack

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I hope that MTs talent to be able to contribute was being kept hidden because he‘s mafia, not town who should have no reason to do so.

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can we just lim the person doing nothing.. like, that's literally where I'm at right now

Mala has less posts than Gamma, and Gamma was in this game for like 2 1/2 days. It's not just Lowell doing "nothing".

mala just always does nothing, I'm used to her at this point, idk... I'll go away, whoever found meg, you should just do that again please

I'd be content with just sheeping Pookys reads.
On another note I'm content with just limming anything at this point.
/inning a game to just be afk and indecisive all the time is a travesty.

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VOTE: Datisi

Time for an experiment.

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I shudder at the thought of being in Crescents blacklist™
Considering the flavour this game, you could get turned into an eggplant while you sleep and land in an unsavoury situation

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VOTE: MalcolmTucker

For the absurdly intense flail

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net

HEAL

bugspray

You have accepted the duel!
Please choose your weapon:

Nr. 2. Gonna need a lot of collateral damage this game, and the recoil might kill me in the process.

I truly glanced into the future in this game.
C'mon, launch something, you know you want to.

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VOTE: Malakittens

Insert witty line here

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VOTE: MalcolmTucker

hiss

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That's a brutal twist in flavour there

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

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VOTE: Vivax I want to see what this guy does with a wagon.

VOTE: Unsure

One wagon teehee

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What's up?
First word that came to mind seeing this thread today was 'bickering'

UNOs claimed cop and Enchant is instavoting that. Looking forward to more information.

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Never forget to ISO Pooky's reads if you feel lost as town!

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VOTE: Malakittens

Surely Datisi won't put 2 cops in one game, right?

Scummy reason for a vote tbqh

It's like it's the only one you could think of to justify it when placing it

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I support the massclaim

I support yeeting you.
Like your predecessor should have been on D1.
With no hard feelings, just cause I want to launch a mafia.

VOTE: Unsure

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oh you mean D1 where we elimmed scum? i should have been the lim?

case me bro

I cased FancyPants. Do you really want me to case you too.

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My case: Literally your first posts when you got into the game.
Frozen or maybe chilled, dabbling and confused. That's the impression I remember, and we almost had you for it.
Why do you think you aren't yeeted yet?

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Because someone could agree and you might flip red.
If they can remember.

I'm still open to yeeting Prince as well. Maybe I'm wrong on you. But you don't work to change my mind, and I won't work to change yours on yourself.

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I support yeeting you.

Are you against a mass claim?

Yes, it's mafia favoured under these circumstances imo.
I have seen many games go to hell because of massclaiming, but mostly those with a lot of Vanillas/mountainous town.

[Vivax]

Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

[Vivax]

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I agree that

Crescent

is looking worse and worse the further we get into the game. Her dedication to the game and depth of reads heavily contrasts with her incorrect reads, stubbornness and poor voting record. If she is still alive by like Day 7 or so, town might need to kick her out.

If that is the case, the lengths she goes to get townread are very impressive.

Indeed.

But I'd argue that it's the lack of stubborness that bothers me in regards to the alignment.
Simply put(?), this is a player who as town has the ability to demand thread control on a whim. Those are quite rare, and most who are able to struggle with being able to do so as mafia, including myself.
Thread control in the sense of altering game perception in other players.

[Vivax]

Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT MALA BEING SCUM YOU NOT EVEN TRYING

Fiiine, point taken.
So, either both or none. I don't know about that yet.
I'm trying just not necessarily in the way you expect, so I reject that accusation. Our play isn't perpetually the same.

[Vivax]

Enchant, Crescent, Mala is possible with Owen town cop.

Waiting for this?

[Vivax]

Might have to reconsider Greeting instead of Crescent.

[Vivax]

Bruh
Sorry about that

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

[Vivax]

You should consider talking to the host about that. I think he'd listen, though I have a hunch he's swamped.

[Vivax]

Bruh
Sorry about that

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

Is someone shining like a red light on people's names causing your votes?

Lol
Thanks for telling me it’s on mafia
Red light? Nah. Consciousness.

[Vivax]

Hold on i caught what's going on here.

VOTE: Malakittens

You‘re the one who Capslocked me because you said you‘d both have to be mafia?

And now you‘re voting that lol

[Vivax]

Stop being silly.


Mala trying to enforce "We both town" which mafia tried countless times. Town should knew better.

And you trying to ensure scum Prince doesn‘t get launched

[Vivax]

Andante wins the game tbqh

[Vivax]

Yes.

What you gonna do? Vote me?

No. I vote players who flip red.
I know what you thought but it‘s far off.

[Vivax]

Andante wins the game tbqh

I don't understand thid

Andante has proven to be a good, sensible person in my books from the way she behaved in this game.
All I will say to this and you shouldn't read anything else into it. If you do, it's your responsibility.

[Vivax]

I will claim when Half Life 3 will be released.

You have taste
I believe an IRL occurrence of something like Portal 3 is more likely

[Vivax]

Fine

[Vivax]

So we doin this or what?

UNOwen wanted you to suggest an order of claims?
Why not?

[Vivax]

I have the fear that you are going to pull something from your ass after all thr claims to help back up your claim. It is genius if you are scum

What sort of plan do you think that could be?

It is rare to pull something like a genius scum plan out of that of all places, so I‘m curious too

[Vivax]

I dunno, but once all the claims come out you come outbwith your extra bit of info which just so happens to corroborate some of the other claims. I have the fear....

I have lots of fear right now

How's that? Want to claim doctor?

[Vivax]

Anyway it's almost 1am and that was way more than I actually expected to phone post from bed . If anyone disagrees with my summation of the current gamestate, give me a reason why.

I mostly agree. I do think that Mala is scum, and Enchant probably is too. After the massclaim we can assess who the best elim is. Crescent, Greeting, and Geraint are my strongest townreads now. I doubt UNOwen is scum, and even if he is, Lowell should be town. Fire is probably just town. That leaves Unsure and Vivax.

I'll claim VT now since Mala has already claimed.

Crescent, geraint as strongest townreads?
Lockscum tbh

[Vivax]

Prince that is

[Vivax]

Like everything hurts right now but I exist again yay. I haven't read anything but the most recent page and it already gives me plenty to comment on given the thoughts I currently have.

Also yeah the game is dying and looking at that last posted chart.. Yikes. I feel like Greeting has a point though.. Basically all our biggest arguments are played out and the game has a circular feel. There really hasn't any serious new ground to discuss today.

But really the fact of the matter is if Mala is town, the POE we're operating under this game is simply too small, and thus someone who's been brushed aside has to be scum.

I've already brought up it makes it a fair bit more likely Prince was actually a good train yesterday (I don't like the way he started today either, but after that you have maybe Unsure.. And then you have a giant pile of townread people that

must

contain scum.

So basically, if Mala is town, there must be at least one, if not two, scum inside the common core of Fire's replacement, Gera, Greeting, Owen, Vivax, and myself... But, if Mala is scum, Prince is much more likely to be town. The same scenario still applies unless the other two scum are specifically Enchant and Unsure. The game being dead is a nightmare scenario for reasons above, but I'm also not sure how to fix it.

It's also kind of worrying that Greeting and I have been kinda pointing at each other today as probably the closest this game actually has to leadership. I've put Fire, Gera, and Vivax under virtually no scrutiny since day 1. I've been up his ass since early day 2. If he's town, we're basically living in scum's dream scenario.

I still think chances are decent a cop claim is lying, but voting off Mala today kinda feels like a nope. I think Prince is the opposite alignment of Mala and would kinda rather she be resolved before him... Which pretty much leaves only Unsure and that "town core" that probably has at least one scum in it.

But like if Unsure is voted off today and flips town, all hell effectively breaks loose. We wouldn't even be at lylo, but practically everyone in the game is pulled into the POE. Something is grievously wrong with essentially everyone's perception of the game at this point if he's town. It would be

decisive evidence

that our towncore is functionally broken, and may even contain multiple scum.

One thing I will say is even if Owen is scum, is that Lowell is most likely still town, with how much Owen kept trying to kill him. Lowell is highly likely to be town in any scenario.

Basically I feel like there's only two paths to take here.. Take the "safe" voteoff in Unsure, or basically flip over a table and see what shakes out, if anything. The latter is kind of hard when it's so low energy.

Anyway it's almost 1am and that was way more than I actually expected to phone post from bed . If anyone disagrees with my summation of the current gamestate, give me a reason why.

Here's another mofia

Tempting to say 'just for the formatting'

[Vivax]

And gera as third atm, but I can bother about that after the other two. If this game ever launches them, which is very doubtful.

I claim VT

[Vivax]

If you simp (metaphorically) for mafia in a game I‘m in a crocodile will pull you into the toilet next time you sit on it
or maybe you will get lightningstruck

[Vivax]

welp
some of the flavour
and my paranoia

Very entertaining EoD, just waiting for that ‚The Ring‘ moment at this point.

P-edit: I see someone‘s been busy drawing up a few thoughts quickly

[Vivax]

OCD Vivax. I‘m ironically chaotic for a good amount in games
Sorry for the Rand?

[Vivax]

Good writeup I should have some fun too resummarizing certain games.
Will probably need a break from mafia for a bit in near future, am considering myself in rec time already and stuff to deal with is piling up
Will see if it could change

VOTE: MalaKittens

Just trust sheeping atp

[Vivax]

If you think Enchant is town, then quick voting Mala without giving a single alternative option to Enchant is exactly the last thing you want to be doing today.

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

Point taken.
LUMP would imply Lowell/Prince, which is not impossible

[Vivax]

I‘m totally pushing that team regardless of what you may think

[Vivax]

Mostly cause I like the right to be wrong, from time to time. Should point this out probably

[Vivax]

For me Mala is 99% mafia, but liming her first allows Crescend bullshit wagon on me tomorrow and decapitate me, so i prefer removing potential teammates first.

Sad that i need support from mafia at these times.

I remember you capslocking me that you'd both have to be mafia. >=(

[Vivax]

But yeah, game is probs solved with this Prince wagon and both scum hopping on it (save Frogster). Clappity clappity.

VOTE: MalaKittens

[Vivax]

First you put the carrot on the snowmans ****, when the smoke settles, the snowman takes it and puts it on the nose.

[Vivax]

Idk why you want to yeet me
I’m town and I’m cute

Expectations, sigh
It would also be interesting to play Pinata with a beehive

[Vivax]

Might have to update some stuff and fix things or add a few before I go see some relatives who are probs cursing me right this very moment.
Also friends birthday, hope I got enough loose ends tied up to not neglect people elsewhere.

[Vivax]

I am now 98% sure Crescent is mafia.

Ironically i can't do shit about it.

Unironically

[Vivax]

I think that what happened here is that you lost confidence in your ability to read the game. I think Greeting played really well up to this point and then started playing poorly and it surprised you and you second guessed yourself.

Also this is possible. For a while there I was completely thrown off by the massive swing in his play and became focused on trying to read why it was even a thing to begin with. Like, the point Owen made on Prince today only required like 4 minutes of research to corroborate. There was definitely a section of day 3 where I was blind spotting parts of the game.

Honestly what I really need right now like.. 3 weeks just not playing mafia though.

This is my 5th game in 3 months. On another note, I've been alive going to day 6 in.. One game, ever, and it was like 6 1/2 years ago. It ended day 10!

This is very much a mood. Can't be on insane output amounts 100% of the time. Or god beware just make right guesses, how is one supposed to be able to roll red like that?

[Vivax]

I think that what happened here is that you lost confidence in your ability to read the game. I think Greeting played really well up to this point and then started playing poorly and it surprised you and you second guessed yourself.

Also this is possible. For a while there I was completely thrown off by the massive swing in his play and became focused on trying to read why it was even a thing to begin with. Like, the point Owen made on Prince today only required like 4 minutes of research to corroborate. There was definitely a section of day 3 where I was blind spotting parts of the game.

Honestly what I really need right now like.. 3 weeks just not playing mafia though.

This is my 5th game in 3 months. On another note, I've been alive going to day 6 in.. One game, ever, and it was like 6 1/2 years ago. It ended day 10!

This is very much a mood. Can't be on insane output amounts 100% of the time. Or god beware just make right guesses, how is one supposed to be able to roll red like that?

Facts about mafia: You're wrong a lot more often than you're right. You often circle around the truth and it's rarely easy even when it feels like it is. Once you start playing afraid to be wrong, you've pretty much already lost. You also need to balance out your time, which is why you can't rush days like this in an hour, but can't let them last too long, either

Anyways what's funny about that comparison I just made is you and Gera were both there in 2273 and I want to see if it's giving you the same vibes as day 3 Corwin.

I don't know what's with Gera, it's not the same vibes. Gera as mafia was more present and tried harder to look solvy. Here he's a lurker who's holding himself back. But he has good arguments for absense with the birthdays. On another note, tomorrow I'll be out grilling for a friends b-day.

So I was sitting there at lunch and something just dawned on me.

Enchant is calling Mala and I scum.. So why is he voting Prince?

Yeah, figured that too. Since the association is strong anyway, we should be limming here first.

VOTE: Enchant

[Vivax]

And even town needs to be wrong more often than not for purely strategic polarity reasons. You can't be a constantly kickass town and then not just roll over and die when mafia. But at least try to make it memorable when you're wrong, drive a few out of their skins and the like.

[Vivax]

So I was sitting there at lunch and something just dawned on me.

Enchant is calling Mala and I scum.. So why is he voting Prince?

Because no one will vote you.

Do you know how long this game can go on?
If Mala gets yeeted and someone gets to 2-1 LYLO, what happens?

Why are you so grumpy?

[Vivax]

I can do it forever.

You?

Most definitely not, but maybe you made the assumption I was looking for eternity. I've briefly essayed why I'm opposed to that in a blog once.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Vivax]

I tell you, Mala most likely WILL flip Mafia.

We still lose from it.

Hmmm. This game wasn't designed by a dog person.

VOTE: PrinceofPaterson

[Vivax]

Do you follow any logic at all.

I can't catch on it.

Yeah do I follow logic being the village idiot? Clearly not the same type of other ones, I prefer the weird logic that takes you to funny places, but at least I have fun.

[Vivax]

So if we recapitulate and it's not MK and Enchant, there's not really a reason not to vote PoP

Question is who the last is between Cres/Owen/Lowell then. Writing off Cres, because mindgames. Owen/Lowell are a tricky duo. But Lowell has been looking scummier, so probably PoP + UNO?

[Vivax]

So if we recapitulate and it's not MK and Enchant, there's not really a reason not to vote PoP

Question is who the last is between Cres/Owen/Lowell then. Writing off Cres, because mindgames. Owen/Lowell are a tricky duo. But Lowell has been looking scummier, so probably PoP + UNO?

Or Mala is just scum. How has anything that she's done today so far made you think otherwise?

You monitoring this game and shooting out but only if it's your head on the block

Mala is simply mighty annoyed at being scumread

[Vivax]

Okay, having read Crescent's post, I mostly agree with the conclusions. I think there's not really any way from my perspective that Mala isn't scum. I think that Enchant is most likely the partner. Mala obviously should be flipped first. If it isn't Enchant, we'll be at 5p with 1 scum remaining. I think flipping Vivax and Firebringer/Frogsterking wins the game in that situation.

If somehow Mala is town, she should claim her result now, and it makes it possible that Owen is scum. I strongly doubt that to be the case, however.

It's suspicious to me that Prince already has an idea for what to do if it gets to a 3 player endgame. Especially that he wouldn't be worried about geraintm at that point.

I townread geraintm too, but if this game is still ongoing when there are even five players left and I'm still alive I'd definitely want to reevaluate to make sure on that read.

I've already thought about wtf to do if I find myself in various F3 scenarios but that's just how I am. It is kinda interesting that he seems to be assuming what F5/F3 would look like.

Final scenarios I might not be here for, so I think it's worth sharing my thoughts on them. I don't really have any doubts about Gera being town and don't see why I should. If Mala is scum, Owen is town, assuming there aren't any other power roles unclaimed.

I still think Crescent is town.

That leaves Vivax and Frogsterking.

I still think Crescent is town is a sentence that could be your (plural) downfall

[Vivax]

And you just finished a post trying to look solvy with me and Frogster as solution but your vote is on Mala.
I'll take the free scumread on you thank you.

[Vivax]

Well not your vote actually, but you asked me why I'm not scumreading Mala.
Which implies intention for you to want Mala to be scumread.
Anything else?

[Vivax]

This is what I mean about it getting harder for me to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt. I have been very clear that from my perspective, Mala is nearly confirmed scum. The only way she isn't is if Owen is scum.

My interest right now is finding her partner. Enchant is most likely, but I'm worried about the possibility of that being wrong. If it is wrong, then the most likely partner for Mala is instead either you or Frogsterking. I do not think it is at all likely that you two are scum together and I never said that.

You would know all of this already if you had been reading my posts. If you genuinely did scumread me, I expect that reading my posts is something you would have interest in doing. If all you care about instead is keeping Mala alive and finding excuses to vote town like you have all game, because you know that people will inexplicably townread you for it anyway, then this exactly what you would be doing.

People inexplicably townread me because I put my soul into my writing.
Which is why I suck at rolling mafia.

[Vivax]

Owen and geraint going for the misyeet

[Vivax]

as town*

[Vivax]

On a reread had several pushes on Prince going but it's obvious that there's shielding.

FB/Ench/Gera/UNO/Lowell were town distractors, then Enchant and Andante refused to play along.
Bugspray probably worth a special mention.

There's only one solution though and whoever piled up on Mala wanted the wrong one to prevail.

[Vivax]

I can't rule it out that townies can fakeclaim things to nudge the game towards the direction they want.
Tried it once to get Holyflare launched on TL lying about a redcheck, never again.

[Vivax]

Let's vote Mala and call it a day, i am bored.

Also there's still possibility. Like 1%. Yeah.
VOTE: Mala

I can't wait to summarize the games.
Wrong vote and you know it.

[Vivax]

I can't rule it out that townies can fakeclaim things to nudge the game towards the direction they want.
Tried it once to get Holyflare launched on TL lying about a redcheck, never again.

Seems unbelievable to me that your actual thought process in reaction to that is that the claim is fake but that Mala is still town.

No, I have already plucked a game apart on Mafiauniverse, indirectly by seeing what the players were actually doing instead of just playing.
You think I don't have a vision for what can happen behind the curtain while the puppets dance? I could prove you wrong, but I don't treat some of my knowledge as something to just be spewed out on a random game. I give glimpses of it, same way I catch it.
The games are made more intricate to counter it. I know that.

[Vivax]

Dat flavour.

Patientia

[Vivax]

aaaaaugh
blankly stares and drools

Enchant, what's your check tonight?

[Vivax]

aaaaaugh
blankly stares and drools

+1, this was my reaction to the flip. Did you reread at all during the Night, Vivax?

Not yet, but I have the mafiascum phase duration TM to make up for that
Until then I have free reign to shi*post

[Vivax]

Good writeup, shouldn't even assume you are yeetable for it, why?
Question is if you'd rather presume Gera or Enchant

[Vivax]

Way I see it purely from votes is that Gera looks worse
The Ench unvote gives him some cred here

[Vivax]

Hitting thread quickly, I thought it would be night by now. Vivax just doing the absolute worst though.
Will catch up tomorrow

Not sure if interesting or worrying that this was 6 days ago

[Vivax]

No idea what happened to PoP, I simply woke up to a done deed there when checking in
Reviewed a bit of Gera and lean towards the nontinfoil option for a change, Enchant isn't even faking a new check
Suppose the game became somewhat pure at this point

[Vivax]

i havent posted in 6 days because you sped run yesterday and gave me no chance to post.

someone asked if i claimed. i havent. i am vt. i think i said something like "i have no reason to doubt this claim" when someone else claimed, and that was me hinting at not having a roll that would conflict with a claim.
will catch up later.

One of the funniest things I've read this game so far

[Vivax]

i havent posted in 6 days because you sped run yesterday and gave me no chance to post.

someone asked if i claimed. i havent. i am vt. i think i said something like "i have no reason to doubt this claim" when someone else claimed, and that was me hinting at not having a roll that would conflict with a claim.
will catch up later.

One of the funniest things I've read this game so far

Reminded me of this:

The great outrage that followed Bugsprays claim surely had nothing to do with Datisi purposely giving them that role because we're all mere fleas in his circus, ready to be squashed on a whim by the unlucky person who would be blessed with the doubtful gift of such an accursed weapon that could cause great harm if wielded selfishly and without pure intentions.
The only certainty in the circus was that the next mafia would surely be found through an incriminating interaction with the deceased bug MegAzumaril. Little did they know that there are many such interactions, of which often the one most suitable to one's own beliefs is picked, and that the mafia would be found by simply looking for who would exploit this for themselves in a way that would allow them to do as little as possible further in the day.

There is this one interaction, but nothing is currently stopping my brain from wanting to yeet gera for his infraction

Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.

This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.

I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.

Oh, I didn't realise you meant all the scum were in that group.
I still think posts like that day 1 are worthless, you.csn turn around later and go "look, they were in my list, wasn't I clever".

Day 1 reads are worthless

Even if they are wortless they are all we have to work with at this point, do we not?

[Vivax]

Yeah I can't hold Gera not posting yesterday against him when the day was over in less than an hour.

Vivax I do have a question for you though. In that interaction I noted.. What changed between a couple of posts of "Unsure is still very likely to be scum", to suddenly calling him town?

The tone getting so combative and OMGUS-y threw me off at the time, if I remember correctly

Also remember casing FP extensively compared to my usual approach and Gera asking where I left the old me on D1

[Vivax]

Prince felt so obvious that I was planning to first post maul him on day 6 before Mala was even flipped on day 5. The arguments felt virtually flawless, and the only reason I had for defending this guy was argued away by Owen in what looked to be solid reasoning. Prince had already spent the vast majority of the game on my scumlist as it was (you seem to gave ignored this part, and I'd like to ask why). He's on my shortlist both at the start of day 2 and day 3.

i didnt look back through all your posts, i looked at today, yesterday and was srolling back through the day before and i didnt see any of your normal wall type posts (like you have done today on frogster). you have too much to go through to find it all, but i felt like i hadnt spotted anything at the end of the day

Am I wrong to assume that you reacting to my case on FP in that way back in Day 1 is something I should usually read as AI for you but not in this game?

[Vivax]

Should usually be AI because it implies you knew it was on scum FP

[Vivax]

Prince felt so obvious that I was planning to first post maul him on day 6 before Mala was even flipped on day 5. The arguments felt virtually flawless, and the only reason I had for defending this guy was argued away by Owen in what looked to be solid reasoning. Prince had already spent the vast majority of the game on my scumlist as it was (you seem to gave ignored this part, and I'd like to ask why). He's on my shortlist both at the start of day 2 and day 3.

i didnt look back through all your posts, i looked at today, yesterday and was srolling back through the day before and i didnt see any of your normal wall type posts (like you have done today on frogster). you have too much to go through to find it all, but i felt like i hadnt spotted anything at the end of the day

Am I wrong to assume that you reacting to my case on FP in that way back in Day 1 is something I should usually read as AI for you but not in this game?

I'm sorry, I'm jot sure what this means

Looks like you changed your opinion of me there after I listed reasons for FP to be scum, but you didn't follow up with changing your opinion of them as well

VOTE: bugspray

Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.

VOTE: BUGSPRAY

OBVSCUM DIE

VOTE: Bugspray

Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.

did bugspray claim maf? what did I miss?

This quick wagon sure seems interesting. Gonna note it for later

This looks like you knew it was on town

Are you scum for extra knowledge? I can't find a rational explanation for your reactions if you aren't

[Vivax]

VOTE: geraintm

Taking a peek then if you don't mind

[Vivax]

Wouldn't mind a higher temperature around here

[Vivax]

Should i bring firethrower?

I’m looking for reasons to get angry at something for the kicks but can’t find any, only imagine them
Was still enough to hurl a few curses at things I don‘t like today
And living here is tough with the avg temperature being low, so I suppose I‘m not opposed to more heat
Inner or outer

If you can crank up the inner for me it helps

[Vivax]

Your avatar outdated.

lol rude, but not surprising at this point. Had the hunch floating for about a week.
Aphelios? Kinda taking a shot in the dark here, more advisable than the i-typo version.

Imo, if you so assured in Vivax/MT innocence, you can afford two kills on me/Gera. If so, i would put question more in if should we really believe in you three.

MalcolmTucker/me? What?

Good writeup, shouldn't even assume you are yeetable for it, why?
Question is if you'd rather presume Gera or Enchant

Because paranoia of me should be at maximum at this point and for good reason. I'm planning as if I've only got one shot.

Still want to think that Ench is town and gera scum for today

[Vivax]

Still want to think that Ench is town and gera scum for today

I was hoping there would be a huge fight over which one is the last scum and we all get super tilted, then one of them would get hammered and flip red after like a week of fighting, and the game would just keep going into final 3, and we learn they were both scum the whole time!

Tell me Cres is maf without telling me that, in other words

Elimination by pathing, if I had to guess it'd mean I'd look at anyone getting thrown around as maf the least and being on the sidelines the most

While another bunch plants reasons to look guilty

[Vivax]

I don't see yet why you should be treated as the exception here

[Vivax]

Ba-dum-tsss