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If you mean SK, then no did you?

definitely rolled mafia then

VOTE: froggo

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Ok, I actually didn't see that froggo voted Infinity.

I just found them sus

Why? They seem fine?

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They seem fine?

but no comment about the larger wagon on me? that your own RVS vote is supporting?

I don't really have a read on you yet. I think a 4-vote wagon isn't that out of the ordinary for RVS. Does it bother you for some reason?

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IMO the (a) "they seem fine" seems defensive of furtive putting pressure on infinity -- (b) which is contradictory to a 4-vote wagon being normal

It's very unclear to me how (b) follows from or is related to (a)

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oh yea, furtive's Infinity vote seemed non-random

but if that's the case, then why not say why you're voting them to start a Serious Wagon (TM)?

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making one RVS vote for another seems like a lateral move tbh

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VOTE: infinity

Sure

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And do you have infinity as town?

Not really, but the Infinity vote is already outdated because 4 ppl were on it super early. So I'm starting a new trend.

Why were you scumreading Infinity when you placed your vote there?

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I'm starting to think froggo is Town. His questions seem odd to me, but I get the vibe he believes in them.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Not a fan of her Infinity vote.

Why not?

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Is this one gonna be more interesting than "you're being awkward"?

It depends what you find interesting, I guess. I dislike your throwing out of town reads based on weak sauce.

How is this different from the other weak townreads that were being thrown out?

e.g.
16
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VOTE: furtive

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CSF, what do you think of Infinity?

If I had to guess, town because the quick reevaluation from 36 to 90 comes from town more often than not.

their takes also feel okay, like i agree that you're towny

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CSF, what do you think of Infinity?

If I had to guess, town because the quick reevaluation from 39 to 90 comes from town more often than not.

their takes also feel okay, like i agree that you're towny

what's the re-evaluation?

Instead of post 36, i meant to link 39

Their read on you went from scum to town in a relatively short amount of time -- that's what I meant by reevaluation

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I only voted infinity because a wagon with reasons, however weak, is better than a wagon without any.

I'm not sure what follow up you expected me to have tbh

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And do you have infinity as town?

Not really, but the Infinity vote is already outdated because 4 ppl were on it super early. So I'm starting a new trend.

Why were you scumreading Infinity when you placed your vote there?

Voting froggo who I TRed was a sus move, that's it really, but I've done a U-turn now.

Why didn't you say froggo was a townread in 45?

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I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.

What is your read on Lucian?

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The reason why I think BBT is Town is because "scum isn't more likely to be relaxed! That is completely NAI!!" is a very stupid hill to choose to die on as scum. Scum usually has a bit more self-awareness, he reads like a stubborn Townie to me.

what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?

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I did ask BBT the same question but kind of indirectly

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This was close to my initial thoughts upon seeing furtive's 202. Reading through the game Aisa posted though does make me feel like there's a pretty clear difference between there and here.

I think there's a decent chance that furtive's alignment will become obvious over time, and there are better choices for a vote.

I can kinda see that

Though I'm not really sure about the Lucian wagon. 96 felt like pretty good analysis

VOTE: BBT

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I'm not sure why he singled out one person for making premature townreads, and that's enough to pique my interest there

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Yeah! Democracy!

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The reason why I think BBT is Town is because "scum isn't more likely to be relaxed! That is completely NAI!!" is a very stupid hill to choose to die on as scum. Scum usually has a bit more self-awareness, he reads like a stubborn Townie to me.

what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?

Nothing. I read that Aisa post as non-serious, so I didn't think anything of BBT not commenting on it.

the lockdown read was exaggerated but had serious undertones 77

So at best he’s not reading that closely

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VOTE: Aisa

I didn't like their recent two posts. It felt like they popped in, asked an easy question, and ignored some of the more topical stuff that was happening in the game. sorry Aisa :[

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Gamma do you have any thoughts on Aisa so far? Since we were both in that Terminator Salvation game together

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furtive what is your read on Aisa?

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What do you actually think of CSF then? They just voted Aisa without acknowledging the wagon on them, is that towny or scummy?

Wagon, I acknowledge thee

I think froggo, Lucian, and Infinity are probably town.

Unsure about you and Klick

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I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

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Just gonna come out and say that I see all this but I need to RL pretty hard tonight so not sure I'll have time to address this today
...which also explains why I got in made two easy posts and left

It's also the furtive meta read, which ended up as a townread but then you immediately qualified it

We can talk about Dunn if you'd like and what pinged you there

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I'm feeling like CSF is scum.

Did you ever go into this beyond vibes?

349 is probably the most analysis I've seen from you this game. I voted you because I wasn't sure what your reads were or if you had any, which is instant partner equity with everyone. Then there's vote hopping which I don't really like in general. And when a few of my townreads hopped on, it made me think we'd all voted mafia together.

yeah that's fair

I've been kind of out of it these last 2 days so I haven't gotten my head into the game. so I can kind of understand the wagon on me, if that makes sense

p-edit: I don't remember townreading GE like super early, but I do think he's town now, yeah. I don't really know how to explain it beyond "gut" - like these posts just make me think he's town: 302, 303

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I feel like he's emotionally invested in this game based on those posts, which feels towny. He's also not afraid to be a little aggro and make enemies

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stuff like this can be scum faking it, but it didn't ping me that way.

It also kinda tracks; Gamma had a scumread on you before that, saw what he thought was bad push tying him as scum to me, and got annoyed

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I think you might've eaten some funky, froggo.

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I took a look at your Lucian scum case Aisa, and I'm not really feeling it

Enchant, do you have reads?

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Need to think before i vote.

This surprises me ngl

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We can talk about Dunn if you'd like and what pinged you there

This is a slightly harder one to explain because it was just one throwaway post. You know that feeling when you're town and make a slightly weak post, you know in the back of your head it's gonna land you in trouble, but it's all you feel like contributing at the time and lo and behold we're here now...? Yeah.

Anyway. Maybe I can explain why it pinged me this way: my reaction to any short post with a question is to think "hmm, even if this is a good question this does not preclude the poster being scum." I've kinda mentioned this in my post above, but recently I've been thinking a bit more with the framework of "could X still plausibly be scum here?" so that was on my mind when I was warning against reading too much into Dunn's few posts. "Gave me a bit of a scumping" was a slightly imprecise way of communicating what I was thinking at the time.

I guess it pinged me, because you were cautioning against forming a TR at a low-info point of the game, when I think most (all?) town reads are implicitly qualified "...but they could still be scum here" if that makes sense

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yeah, I just meant it looked like you were torpedo'ing an early town read for no reason (since you weren't scumreading Dunn and even thought he asked good questions, in fact!)

Why do you think I'm town? My scumflip in Terminator really surprised you IIRC! I'm surprised you're not more paranoid of me

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oh that feels towny LOL

VOTE: Enchant

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I think it's okay, she didn't quote from it. She technically could have made that meme on the spot and lied about it

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Not really

His posting hasnt pinged me, but there also isn't anything that has made me really feel town

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Need to think before i vote.

This surprises me ngl

I have limited time, so this is going to basically be a fancy prodge until tomorrow

But I wanted to quickly elaborate on this. I've played with Enchant in several games now, and I never really got the impression that he was the type to withhold his vote until he was really "sure" someone was scum

We're also in a relatively low info phase (or we were, I haven't read recent posts except for Enchant's ISO), so this reticent behavior feels weird. I think being fast and loose with votes is town indicative.

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I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

Come on now, Mala has done enough for a temporary townpass?

I think your reactions to BBT on the last 2 pages were towny, but I think you're very tunneled

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I looked at Terminator. From what I gathered, Enchant replaced into a hame, and within half an hour hammered a choice in that phase (after voting a different person for seemingly no reason too).

To be frank, if Enchant had said something silly like "I'm just waiting to yolo hammer," I probably would've shrugged it off as in-character for Enchant

But yeah, he feels out of character here

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Is Aisa claiming that they have a pt where they post reaction images but nobody else is in it?

Yeah like a notes or personal PT. Where were you going with this questioning?

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hi! I hope you're feeling better!

furtive had reasons to townread Enchant, however much I disagreed with them

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still feeling that Hiraki vote, Klick?

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Aisa, do you have further thoughts on where your vote may land?

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Oh, you meant you find it hard to believe someone would post reaction gifs in a personal PT?

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Errr is that first sentence related to the Mala vote?

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Errr is that first sentence related to the Mala vote?

No

Why Mala over Enchant?

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Mm not sure about Aisa's furtive scumcase. Not only do I disagree with it, but I feel like it's kind of uncharitable in how she's interpreting some of furtive's posts?

Anyway, let's lim Enchant!

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Enchant is always low content so I have them as null. It is my belief that Mala tends to be lower content as mafia, and upon review of their iso their vote on Enchant comes after Enchant votes for them, and I'm not seeing a reason for it, plus the wagon was already going by then. I think Malakittens looks worse. I also think it's possible scum could be hiding behind "let's sheep the ic" to justify their votes today.

I don't disagree - that has typically been her meta. But very recently, she's been more inactive lately as town too presumably due to IRL, and I'm struggling to have any read beyond "null" on her this game.

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Do you have a reason to vote for Enchant over Mala?

Basically 582 + Enchant doesn't seem to be having that much fun this game

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Mod punched me and i am ready to fight you all.

Fight me

*pokes*

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Klick u r currently voting the innocent child

I'm aware

Pagetop

oh, it was a reaction test?

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I say still lim enchant

He’s still not voting anyone

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Well Malakittens but I think that’s rvs

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But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that.

You don’t have to agree with me!

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Pretty much

everyone

is okay with an Enchant lim. I still think Enchant is scum based on his play alone, which means that scum are at the very least okay with letting the lim go through. I think it'll be important to reread everyone's reasons for being okay with the lim after the flip

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enchant needs to die and i think a night phase would help me get more engaged regardless

What specifically made you think Enchant needs death?

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What do you mean it's annoying

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I don't even know what to make of that kill

Seems like a poor mafia kill, but also a poor vig kill, it could maybe be an SK kill hoping to avoid hitting the same target as maf?

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UNVOTE: BBT no longer thinking this flips scum

Acc he has a point on furtive I retract my townread there

Let's do it. A voluntary gladiate. Me vs you.

VOTE: Furtive

Enchant scumflip makes BBT scum more likely imo, since this BBT post detracted from the Enchant wagon at the time.

760 is also pretty bleh. In light of the Enchant flip, I think Klick is very likely town based on how he reacted to the doctor claim. So the 760 vote on Klick just seems like a last ditch effort to save the roleblocker.

So I think I want to start here today-

VOTE: BBT

Also this is kind of a secondary thought but if BBT is scum, I think Aisa is unlikely to be scum, since I think he was riding off the momentum of Aisa's post in 554 which feels distinctly not partner-y.

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I still think Froggo is town. He seems to be posting whatever thoughts pop up into his head without a filter, so his thought process, while messy, does ring as genuine.

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I had Dunnstral and Infinity in my PoE too

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Ty for the TR CSF, I think I TR you too for your reaction to the kill. Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

I just find it unlikely maf would shoot Mala, who was someone potentially in the PoE because of her low activity

Maybe if scum hardbussed and looked really good from the flip, but that'd basically leave Lucian as scum, and I think he is pretty town

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Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary

and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote.

Explain?

I think if scum wanted to bus, they wouldn't have had Klick's trajectory.

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CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more?

Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me

so I would like to hope BBT is town

What conversation made you feel that way?

I feel like he tried to shift the wagon away from Enchant at critical times, especially with 760, but he also left himself open to voting Enchant for a bus if necessary

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@CSF, other than the weird stance around voting, was Enchant a lot different in this game and in Terminator? I got the feeling he was, but I could be biasing myself.

Sorry I don't remember specifics because the game split into two shortly after Enchant replaced in, and I was in a different PT from Enchant (I was with Aisa!)

I think he was probably more reserved than usual

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I've played with Enchant before and this kind of play is very typical for them as both alignments. I was under the impression that they were being voted out because they were doing nothing - an angle that I was not personally interested in because I've seen this from Enchant as town before.

959 feels sort of revisionist. If Enchant is different in this game from Terminator, why was that not called out before his elimination? I instead feel that they were voted out mainly for doing nothing, not for looking different from his town game

Yes, it was by Lucian in 588

I also alluded to meta differences in 582

The case on enchant was never "enchant is not doing anything"

It was "enchant is doing less than usual"

Which is not the same thing

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VOTE: dunnstral

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Agreed on furtive town

My impression of furtive's playstyle is a lot like yours, froggo

Although based on that wagon on me that got to e-2, I'd be willing to hop on infinity

VOTE: infinity

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We can agree to disagree on how accurate the meta tell is, or if we nabbed him D1 by sheer dumb luck

but what you said in second paragraph of 965 is still not correct

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I don't get the impression that Aisa is widely townread at all

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Although based on that wagon on me that got to e-2, I'd be willing to hop on infinity

-_- do you really think you've been towny enough to say this

You mean at the time of my wagon on Day 1 or now?

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Although based on that wagon on me that got to e-2, I'd be willing to hop on infinity

-_- do you really think you've been towny enough to say this

You mean at the time of my wagon on Day 1 or now?

When my wagon got to E-2, I don't really think I was that towny. I do townread most of the people on that wagon now.

But still, it wouldn't surprise me if scum saw a good opportunity to wagon a towny that was mentally checked out. I kind of expect it, in fact

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Infinity, are you scumreading me?

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huh?? if someone knows they are town that is enough reason to say anything.

i mean not really? "you voted me and i'm town therefore you're scummy" isn't really an argument

That isn't the only reason I suss you btw

scum RB is really strong (I think slightly more so than usual in this setup since there is a chance of rolling a town doctor and a town cop), so I think scum were hanging back and are unlikely to be in the most vocal people pushing for that wagon.

You were one of the people who stayed away from the Enchant wagon and only voiced support for his lim after it was basically a foregone conclusion

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what's up with the enchant vote? I could be wrong but I don't see that leading us anywhere.

Why were you against a pressure wagon on Enchant?

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eh, still kind of think froggo's town

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okay just finished rereading furtive's ISO too, and I still think he's town. His reason for tr'ing Enchant was kind of convoluted, but in a weird way, I can see it make sense to him. I might read some meta of his later, since Klick said that was apparently different.

I'd like to see Dunnstral and Aisa take some stances

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I can point to a few posts where Dunnstral had some good/original analysis, but I'm still not sure who he scumreads.

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I'm not finding Infinity's recent posting towny either. Scumreading furtive's SK claim seems a bit surface level?

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I'm not finding Infinity's recent posting towny either. Scumreading furtive's SK claim seems a bit surface level?

I guess Infinity was also scumreading furtive for defending Enchant yesterday, so they're not just scumreading the SK claim.

I feel like holistically furtive's ISO still seems fairly solvy in spite of defending scum and was probably just town who was wrong on Enchant

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hmm, yeah I didn't remember the wording looking this bad from Enchant and Dunn catches it pretty instantly. could be a big ol mafia conspiracy but Dunn is probably town for this!!

I think this is a poor reason to townread Dunnstral btw

Someone can double check my math, but a majority of setups rolled will have a roleblocker. I thought 751 from Enchant was NAI

pedit: yes the intent to E-1 is odd

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HBD Alianna

Thanks!

Been waiting for this pagetop lol

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ty

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Infinity, are you scumreading me?

no, that would've been a hell of an aggressive bus

Confusion intensifies

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You were one of the people who stayed away from the Enchant wagon and only voiced support for his lim after it was basically a foregone conclusion

i guess, it's just frustrating to get wagoned for things i can't really control. like maybe i should've been more convinced by the "need to think" thing, it just felt like such a small thing to me and limming someone who has like 3 posts on d1 i just don't feel is a great idea.

We can talk about who else you think may be scum

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The latest VC is kind of spicy

I'm not sure why or what it means that infinity isn't voting their competing wagon

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I'm here, but i don't have much to add.

Either of these flips will at least tell us if we're going in the right direction or not, so I'm fairly content with these wagons.

Froggo seems like he's solving and reassessing reads naturally at some points to me. But i concede he acted weirdly around enchant, and the wagon composition on him feels pretty good as well.

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intent

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Is defending oneself not a thing on this site?

I think the best town case on yourself is a good scum case on someone else

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also btw, the towncase itself might not be that convincing, but i don't think i've ever seen scum do something like that

Can you be more specific? What did you mean when you said "something like that"?

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I kind of don't think gamma and infinity are svs. It feels like their conversation about me has been dragging on (since day 1!) And only like 1 other person cared enough about that conversation to engage with it.

It's like a weird thing for scum to keep talking about with each other idk

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I think 1293 is a good post

I'd be willing to hammer if ppl agree and are ready to end the day

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I thought SK was possible yesterday but that was because I was assuming a Doc could protect from two kills at once. SK is very unlikely to exist.

Were you theorizing that mafia + SK hit the same, doctored person, and a vig shot Mala?

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I'm happy to go with the flow wrt massclaim. Is the idea to determine if these kills are coming from an SK?

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Hiraki should come up with a claim order list at some point

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Sorry been a wild few days

I still think infinity is scummy. I was suspicious of BBT yesterday, but I like how he is talking about his reads and pushing a scumread. whereas i didn't really like 1403 - townreading a few people isn't very difficult for scum to fake

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I guess I'm not 100% sure infinity does that furtive kill last night, but I'm also not sure it was a Mafia kill

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VT

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Reading Dunnstral's ISO for associatives is like trying to draw water from a stone :/

Dunnstral definitely left himself open to voting either froggo or Infinity D2, but I don't think it's wise to rule out SvS with Infinity; he wasn't the main instigator of the Infinity push by any means. In fact, he seemed a bit pocket-y of BBT there (1149, 1210

Dunnstral barely mentions Aisa at all except for a weird comment about posting memes in her PT in 637 but then never pushed there. He chose to vote Mala shortly afterward instead.

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I would also benefit from a tl;dr on the BBT scumcase because time is limited and reading wallposts aren't a huge priority rn

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yo if we really do have an SK, tomorrow could be ELO if we mislim today right? 5 alive tomorrow?

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Dunnstral barely mentions Aisa at all except for a weird comment about posting memes in her PT in 637 but then never pushed there. He chose to vote Mala shortly afterward instead.

Forgot about Aisa's unvote on froggo yesterDay

That doesn't seem like something scum would do in that situation. Not a solid read, but definitely makes me lean town again

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i don't know and i don't see why it's important that i answer that question

Tomorrow might be ELO if we have an sk, so it's important that you try to solve

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Infinity

I was waiting to hear what the BBT scum case was from Aisa or klick before voting, but i suppose it doesn't hurt

VOTE: infinity

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Lmao. I don't know what I was expecting. I should learn not to ask questions I am not going to like the answers to

Hhhmmmnhh update you on what I think about Infinity in 20 minutes.

I just think it's a bit of a waste of time to reassess when I think it's Infinity and Infinity isn't even trying to be very townie. If there's a flip that proves me wrong, then it'd be a kick in the butt to try and figure it out then

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What's up, gamma?

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Oh dearie me what is a player with a rabbit avatar to do
VOTE: Lucian
?!?!?!

@_@ is Lucian scummier than infinity?

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Did you think Lucian was scummier than infinity when you voted for him? I don't think you answered that

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UNVOTE: i don't cc

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Ahhh at work and this finay got interesting

Just consider my vote on infinity i think

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We're either in dddmvtt without sk

or ddmvttt with an sk

So whether we can believe both depends on whether we believe there's a sk

I think n1 suggests sk so...

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Oh you're right- it'd have to be ddddmvt to have to 2 full docs, that's rather unlikely

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Okay yes i want to vote infinity. I think gamma still needs to check in though

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Yes, and it would mean Lucian is probably not sk

Unless we think Mafia killed mala for the low info kill

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Anyway I'm ready to end the day.

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I probably will hammer tomorrow morning if there's no more discussion

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If we don't hit SK, Mafia has to shoot in our elim pool for the SK, and SK has to either shoot between the doctor and scum, or risk their kill not going through on conftown.

Doctors only stop 1 kill, are you accounting for that? There's no incentive for Mafia to shoot in elim pool when they and sk can just force any kill through.

The kill target is just going to be whoever Aisa is supposed to heal.

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Actually I'd like to see a plausible explanation from anyone for either Infinity or Aisa fakeclaiming Doctor today as scum.

What would've been a better claim from infinity?

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If we don't hit SK, Mafia has to shoot in our elim pool for the SK, and SK has to either shoot between the doctor and scum, or risk their kill not going through on conftown.

Doctors only stop 1 kill, are you accounting for that? There's no incentive for Mafia to shoot in elim pool when they and sk can just force any kill through.

The kill target is just going to be whoever Aisa is supposed to heal.

Doesn't that also make the SK and mafia pool very obvious and limits their choices?

Unless I'm missing something, i don't think so? Let's say they both shot hiraki, infinity can have pulled the trigger on one and the sk do the other. I don't think it actually helps narrow it down

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It does limit their choices, but this plan isn't very effective at protecting conf towns, which is what it's being billed as

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If we don't hit SK, Mafia has to shoot in our elim pool for the SK, and SK has to either shoot between the doctor and scum, or risk their kill not going through on conftown.

Doctors only stop 1 kill, are you accounting for that? There's no incentive for Mafia to shoot in elim pool when they and sk can just force any kill through.

The kill target is just going to be whoever Aisa is supposed to heal.

VOTE: CSF

Why are you voting for me for this post?

Also we would've just limmed a VT claim

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Oh i see we're trying to protect the doctor. All right i think i get it although I'm not particularly convinced but with 18 hours left, time is probably better spent arguing about other things

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I think furtive was slightly more likely to be killed by sk than Mafia

I don't think sk!gamma shoots furtive after pushing him for days 1 and 2

Maybe

I'm not married to this but open to talking about it

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After a day 1 scum lim?

I kind of don't think sk would try to shoot Mafia N2, they probably still want to hit town, since town was still ahead i think

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Idk this is a lot of guessing but sk hunting this game just feels like a lot of guessing

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Okay yes i want to vote infinity. I think gamma still needs to check in though

CSF, you seemed to make your mind up on this pretty quickly. What made you want to vote Infinity instead of me?

I've wanted to vote Infinity out for a while, and only unvoted because they claimed doc

I don't see why you would CC as scum. you're also towny for unvoting froggo yesterday. I also thought you were somewhat unlikely to be groupscum, because you made a post about Enchant that seemed too awkward to come from a partner.

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if you're mafia and both doc claims are town

Who do you think is SK here, Gamma?

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To secure an elim, I will hammer Gamma before I sleep (in about 4 hours)

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Since you're voting for Lucian, does that mean you think both Aisa and Infinity are town?

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VOTE: gamma

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I would like to use the post after the pagetop to say that the town PRs deserve a raise.

Couldn't agree more

gg!

Thank you Alianna for modding

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Thanks everyone.

Fun fact: I was telling my mum about this game and decided to get her opinion on who I should protect Night 2 for the giggles. She's absentmindedly nodding along pretending to understand what I am on about, until she catches one glimpse of CSF's avatar and goes "that one".

I'm a fraud really.

Omg