This is exactly what I think about you atmIn post 17, Lucian wrote:Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.
froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.
To clarify, I meant the 'awkward scum in the early game' part, not the friendly part.In post 20, Lucian wrote:Bold claim. Klick can be Town, I don't think scum's first idea is to attack me for being too friendly when most of my 3 existing posts are criticizing someone.
And, froggo, sure, maybe you are just being friendly. In which case I hope I figure it out.
Infinity 324 wrote:why is lucian awkward?
VOTE: hiraki
This doesn't feel natural to me at all.In post 17, Lucian wrote:Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.
froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.
Why's that?In post 31, froggodoggo wrote:not a fan of giving locktowns on page 1
I read it as oversharing. I think Lucian wants to be seen as solving more than he actually wants to solve.In post 37, Infinity 324 wrote:can you elaborate on this? maybe it's because we always used to try to squeeze as much info as possible out of rvs, but this actually seems quite genuine to me.In post 29, Klick wrote:Infinity 324 wrote:why is lucian awkward?
VOTE: hirakiThis doesn't feel natural to me at all.In post 17, Lucian wrote:Welp. I thought the banter in 12 was between friends or acquaintances, but if not, then it gives a weird pockety, overly-friendly vibe.
froggo is hitting a lot of "awkward scum in the early game" pings.
-james
Can you elaborate on this?
Why so worried about a read that's not that interesting?
That's a completely valid take; I actively didn't want to elaborate fully because I wanted to keep seeing the observations I was seeing without influencing them or letting Lucian choose to play around them. So yes, I was hesitant to engage heavily there.In post 113, Infinity 324 wrote:you were a little closed to engagement in a way that seemed +scum to us. early game i'd expect town to want to engage; e.g. "here's why i think lucian here is scummy rather than overeager town" or just "i think being overexplaining in that way is +scum early on"
-idk
pedit: gamma could be scum
I can't even remember the last time I played as scum, how do you people all have a read on my abilities as a scum player?In post 165, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Lucian this post feels pretty deep for Klick (I don’t exactly rate his scumgame highly)
I like your thoughts on BBT in 196, and on Dunnstral in 231. Aside from those, I'm fairly null on you. I could easily see your posts so far coming from either scum or town.In post 198, Lucian wrote:Klick, could you give me your updated thoughts on my slot, please?
This was close to my initial thoughts upon seeing furtive's 202. Reading through the game Aisa posted though does make me feel like there's a pretty clear difference between there and here. I think there's a decent chance that furtive's alignment will become obvious over time, and there are better choices for a vote.In post 205, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: furtiveglance
the more I think about his responses to me the more his play feels like a dead fish
Without really knowing about Hiraki's read strength, probably better than the average D1 scum elimination rate?In post 252, Gamma Emerald wrote:Does Hiraki have historically good reads?In post 251, Klick wrote:Sheeping conftown onto a lim target is a severely underrated strategy and towns should do much more often than they do
People are just hesitant to vote against their own personal reads, but it's often correct to do so to achieve a fully town-influenced elimination
So yeah, I'd be down for sheeping Hiraki today as a concept.
Infinity can go in the town pileIn post 235, Hiraki wrote:okay last point and then i'm gonna sleep on this game for the night - does anyone TR infinity?
So I've stated townreads on four players, not including myself and the IC. I've explained the Gamma townread (and I think Gamma's interactions with you just now make it even more clear that Gamma is town). Froggo, Aisa, and Infinity are townreads that I have not explained. Are there any that you're curious about in particular, or is it just a general 'how does Klick have 4 townreads on Page 13' kind of thing?In post 392, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Klick
I didn't like their arguing that Hiraki should decide the elimination and that we had info to work with because I think they know better than to push for that kind of thing on day 1. We would have little to work with if we did this. Further, I don't think that there is a lot of information to solve the game with right now and am surprised that they think otherwise, and that they are creating town/scum lists this early. Finally, I didn't like their wagon vote on CSF.
The reason I typically play things slower is because most games move much faster than I can keep up with; in contrast, this game has been much more reasonably paced and I've been able to play in the moment a bit. Before the big spike in average game activity over the last couple of years, you'll see games from me that more closely match this pace. Part of this could also be that this is a Mini-sized game instead of a Large, so having opinions on 4-5 people feels a lot more substantial than it does in a larger game.In post 415, Dunnstral wrote:I don't like how fast you sorted people into town/willing to vote as I tend to think of you as somebody who plays things a bit slower, so it does feel like rushing to me. That and the fact that a lot of your reads here are not backed up by anything. I also think of you as somebody who would be saying "I'd like to play mafia" as well; and I don't think that having Hiraki dictate the elimination is that great of a play.
Would you say that this vagueness is different from other times you've seen me in any particular way? I feel as though this is an intrinsic, almost intentional part of my current play style, so it's curious to me that you're interested in it here in particular.In post 422, Dunnstral wrote:This is pretty compelling reasoning for why you would be playing differently. I don't like how vague you've been with your townreads here.
UNVOTE:
I don't have any confident reads, also I'm not ready to end the day yet, the game just started.
I don't have a good answer for your last question, I just didn't think that you would push for that.
The concept that the location of my vote is particularly important, which felt like the direction this post was going in. But I suppose I added quite a bit of continuation there.In post 483, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The vote is stale and in fact you go on to say that Lucian is null in 244 so your vote really does hang around for way too long.
So I've gone back and looked at CSF's ISO in response to this and I think I agree with CSF-town.In post 629, Gamma Emerald wrote:interactions around Aisa and also ig EnchantIn post 628, Infinity 324 wrote:gamma why do you like csf?
furtive feels towny to me tbh. i'm still not sure why he pushes BBT there so hard as scum.
not really into the enchant lim, the "think before i vote" thing is kinda meaningless to me and limming a contentless slot on d1 doesn't seem great. i'll vote there at deadline obviously though
I feel like she's actually trying to follow up on recent meta to form her reads in this game
ig it could be faked but idk how much effort CSF!scum puts into fake town thought process as scum, I would wager rather little given in Terminator she got yeeted mostly because after getting UTR by bussing Koba, she just kinda sat around while the rest of the group tried to solve the rest of the game
Unfortunately notIn post 602, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:hi! I hope you're feeling better!
but I feel like playing Mafia to get through it right this second See the thing is, I don't really think furtive is thinking that hard about doing things that won't get him scumread.In post 604, furtiveglance wrote:With this list, the phrase 'have done enough for a temporary townpass' was only really about Infinity and Klick. The other three I'd say haven't done enough to be town, but also haven't stood out to me as scummy in the same way that my bottom three have.In post 567, furtiveglance wrote:I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.
I like every wagon that existsIn post 185, Aisa wrote:To be fair, "analysis" was maybe a little generous.In post 96, Lucian wrote:Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.In post 95, froggodoggo wrote:Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?
I have no opinion on Klick. His position of "well you're the one being awkward!" is one that can come from Town but that also isn't difficult to fake. Nothing in his ISO is difficult to fake, and I'm kind of intrigued by Aisa calling any part of it "analysis".
Aisa, what of Klick's analysis did you like? I'm assuming the post wasn't framed as a joke since it doesn't give such a vibe.
I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.
UNVOTE: froggodoggo
Status update no-one asked for: my mind is handing out TRs like candy at the moment, I need to get a grip before I start TRing everyone in game
This post is a gold mineIn post 185, Aisa wrote:To be fair, "analysis" was maybe a little generous.In post 96, Lucian wrote:Infinity is slightly Townie to me, I think 22 seems like a real thought. Everything else from their ISO seems pretty NAI to me.In post 95, froggodoggo wrote:Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?
I have no opinion on Klick. His position of "well you're the one being awkward!" is one that can come from Town but that also isn't difficult to fake. Nothing in his ISO is difficult to fake, and I'm kind of intrigued by Aisa calling any part of it "analysis".
Aisa, what of Klick's analysis did you like? I'm assuming the post wasn't framed as a joke since it doesn't give such a vibe.
I thought froggo sounded towny. Was their tone maybe a little unusual? Yes, but in a way that was more likely to come from town I thought. With that in mind your page 1 push on him did seem a little awkward. From the vibe you gave off I pegged you for someone that should be able to recognise enthusiastic town - pr, if not enthusiastic town, a type of post that could easily come from enthusiastic town.
UNVOTE: froggodoggo
Status update no-one asked for: my mind is handing out TRs like candy at the moment, I need to get a grip before I start TRing everyone in game
The biggest thing is that I think BBT is furtive's only real viable partner. So I'd be happy to clear furtive on a BBT town flip, and I'd be looking at him a lot more closely upon a BBT scum flipIn post 702, Enchant wrote:What info you get from BBT death
Oh I forgot, it's shading because BBT said it's shading and therefore that's the only valid interpretation of what furtive is doingIn post 707, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That's not what happened at all?
Furtive spent literally the entire game shading me from very early on. These are also people whom with Furtive has interacted with less than me.
So what you're saying doesn't make any sense at all
In post 712, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you see Enchant hunting for scum?
You say these things like they are actually the ways that town are most often separate from scumIn post 713, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Or do you see them doing anything even remotely useful this game?
Like you're saying to counter your points here but there's nothing to counter, you've just given your interpretation of furtive's posts.In post 542, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 190, furtiveglance wrote: CSF and now BBT are looking scum, I think BBT's push on Lucian is way too agressive, just looks out of place and kind of restless, agitating for someone to push.Talking about me ^^^In post 202, furtiveglance wrote: I've seen scum do things like this, and done it myself. Because it makes people townread you until your push flips.
In post 301, furtiveglance wrote:Things are becoming clearer now. CSF/GE/Malakittens, ft. BBT/Dunnstral on drums as SK (possibly)In post 342, furtiveglance wrote:I don't like the Enchant vote, they read more town than scum to me. I'd take a BBT vote if Hiraki is really against CSF going, but I'm feeling like CSF is scum.In post 471, furtiveglance wrote: I don't think CSF has got any townier either, still like my vote there. BBT needs to give more content. Enchant still leans town to me.In post 507, furtiveglance wrote:I'm not sure why BBT is declining to share his thoughts about the Enchant/CSF wagons - the most likely eliminations. It's partly why I'm scumreading him, but also his interactions with froggo look like scum grilling town to me.In post 508, furtiveglance wrote:I see BBT paired with CSF not Enchant - that would explain why BBT's vote for Enchant was unexplained.In post 511, furtiveglance wrote: As for BBT, they didn't sound that authentic in their reasoning and even after talking to you, they didn't finish with an update of their current thoughts, just opened it up to the floor, which doesn't convince me at all and looks like scummy indifference rather than towny zeal. First thing I noticed is that they're not even voting you.In post 512, furtiveglance wrote: Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).In post 529, furtiveglance wrote:But, I prefer voting BBT to Enchant, and seeing as everyone else has moved, I will too. I wouldn't do this is CSF was close to plurality.All of Furtive's shading before finally feeling like he has the support to vote me.
Scum angling for a BBT wagon, 100%.