Mini Normal 2278: Southern France [Game Over]

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FIRST

I wonder what the post count will be this game

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VOTE: Andante
What is there to talk about? There have barely been any posts. I meant post 9 as a lighthearted comment, but I really dislike your reaction.

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What do you want me to say?

That there are only 7 players? That the deadline is very short?
The only actual read one can glean from this limited amount of posting is that post 8 could come from a mindset of someone trying to prevent a quick hammer of Eiralox. Even then, that’s a reach.

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players. — wiki.mafiascum.net

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is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer

No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players. — wiki.mafiascum.net

I suck? ok thanks for letting me know.. like, what's the purpose of this post? your other post you were yelling at me for putting a 2nd vote on someone to help get RXNs, like, I know I'm around, I had no concern over a quick hammer?

What’s I’m saying is that you’re voting me just because I’m voting you. I’m not yelling at you because you put a 2nd vote on Eiralox, I’m saying that you are coming from a mindset that doesn’t want an Eira quickhammer, whether you are town or scum. I was also using that ad an example of something that could theoretically be read into, but I immediately said after that my point is obviously a stretch, and I said this because you asked me what thoughts I have, and I said that there are no thoughts to be had but that. Stop twisting my words.

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is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer

No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.

yeah? cause I literally went "if I vote how many is hammer? ok 4, should be fine. I'll say e-2 to be safe" I don't want anyone accidentally throwing someone on e-1, I truly don't get why you're playing like this out of the gate, like "oh I'm just gonna shit on andante!!" like, can we not?

I’m playing like this out of the gate because I’m trying to get discussion going as fast as possible. I don’t see you as scummy at all, I just wanted to see how you and froggodoggo respond.

UNVOTE: Andante

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Andante is probably town, froggo is weakly town.

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froggo’s questioning of me has an inquisitive town ‘vibe’

Post 21 was what I was looking for from Andante. She questions why I’m going at her so aggressively, in a way that seems like mildly annoyed sarcastic town. I would expect scum Andante to be much more defensive in that scenario.

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1.01

Votecount 1.01

Andante (1):

T3

Eiralox (1):

froggodoggo

Not Voting (4):

Galron, ceejayvinoya, BloodB0t, Eiralox, T3.

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-15 23:00:00).

I’m not longer voting for Andante.

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is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer

No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.

ahh i see. i just see announcing e-2 as a courtesy type of thing and i don't think it is AI.

Yes, I don’t think it’s AI either. I am saying that Andante asked me what my thoughts were, and I said that there are no thoughts to be had except her saying E-2 might be towny. I then said that Andante’s question is bad, because me saying she is town for saying E-2 is a stretch.

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

Now

here

we have a bad post. Andante isn’t saying that town should always be tring her on the basis of her first 4 posts, she’s saying that there’s not enough information to form a full scumread.

VOTE: froggodoggo

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

Now

here

we have a bad post. Andante isn’t saying that town should always be tring her on the basis of her first 4 posts, she’s saying that there’s not enough information to form a full scumread.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I agree that the post is bad but I'm not sure if this makes it scummy.

It seemed to me like opportunism from the new attention on Andante.

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nope! just coincidence. it would've been opportunism if you hadn't already said you think Andante was town.

Andante are you saying that all people think the same as town??

That’s fair. Still, your reason for voting Andante just isn’t good.

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VOTE: ceejayvinoya

idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...

ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town

I don’t really get what you’re saying about ceejay, but I did find it slightly odd that he didn’t comment at all about the events of the first page. (Maybe?) frozen scum choosing to ignore it.

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why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.

I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.

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why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.

I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.

what do you think about Andante reading into it?

Andante was reading into ceejay’s actual content, not his post timing.

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I agree that the post is bad

In your own words, what about the post was bad?

It's bad in a they misunderstood that post kind of bad. It's neither towny or scummy

I disagree. I don’t think that it is a reasonable misunderstanding that someone could make, I think it’s more likely that froggo is scum making a bad push.

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VOTE: ceejayvinoya

idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...

ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town

I don’t really get what you’re saying about ceejay, but I did find it slightly odd that he didn’t comment at all about the events of the first page. (Maybe?) frozen scum choosing to ignore it.

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

If there is any post there that suggests alignment maybe you could point me to it but nothing's got my attention there.

21, 23, also just the interaction in total.
Do you think me going at Andante is scummy, or towny? Do you think that Andante’s reaction is towny, or scummy?

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I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

I explained in 25.

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Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

I'm glad you feel this way >.<

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

Idk about T3? I mean with galron and blood still being sorta mute my personal range of possibilities is quite broad. I'm all ears about Andante though.

Bonsoir i'm Eiralox and i'm here for the magret da canard >.<

So far, my only green feel is on T3. Like they seem sincere.

I'm intrigued that froggo sees me as a stong manly figure : P Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?
I sure wonder what Andante thinks about Galron's majestic entrance.

And that's it for me. I'll vote if and when I vote ; ) 'm taking in the scenery

Tell me more about green feel T3. What's his sincerest post?

I mean I don't rank posts? it's just by actions alone, out of four actives, minus two inactives, T3 is the only one i've got reasons to feel good about. Cos I was put -2 while asleep and T3 defended me, i think, without bias, and by feels i say from a standpoint of townie concern?

So yeah out of all of ya'll the only one i have reasons for feeling very green on rn is T3.

I was

not

defending you.

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Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

There was never a conflict with Andante. I never scumread Andante at all, but I wanted to start discussion so I created a conflict with her.

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BloodBot is town, or scum playing the game in a towny way, and know what, at this point that's good enough for a d1 pass

In what way?

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ceejay’s questions seems like genuine scumhunting. Currently I’m null on Eiralox. Bloodb0t’s reads seemed very ‘safe’, but his reasoning made sense.

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oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

Yeah. I went on hiatus around 8 months ago and this is my second game back, but I would previously often play with Andante.

I pushed Andante specifically because I knew she would generate a lot of content from my push on her, so the game would go faster.

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So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

Why is Eiralox town?

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I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.

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Okay so it looks like standard T3. I've played with ceejay but I don't recall much. Andante riding herd is par for the course. Not sure there is much to be gained out of the T3 Andante interaction yet. More interested in T3 froggo rn.

‘Standard T3’
What specifically? Do you think that my posts are alignment indicative by meta?

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I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.

How is it obvious? If anything it's more facetious because it comes after just a handful of posts at the start of the game and it looks like a distinct after thought to the welcome post. I asked though because Andante was pretty aggressive so it might indeed be serious.

I've seen some suspictions of froggo but I don't know about a wagon. Do you really think I'm that nuanced anyway?

I don’t see where you’re coming from at all. The game was already in serious territory, froggo was expressing scumreads on Andante.

I don’t think you’re that nuanced, but I am saying that you could possibly be partnered with froggo.

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Okay so it looks like standard T3. I've played with ceejay but I don't recall much. Andante riding herd is par for the course. Not sure there is much to be gained out of the T3 Andante interaction yet. More interested in T3 froggo rn.

‘Standard T3’
What specifically? Do you think that my posts are alignment indicative by meta?

Your meta as far as you making these flash bang plays like the reaction test with Andante, but I've seen you do that as either alignment I think. That's why it's standard.

That’s fair. I used to play really crazily with fake claims, but I don’t think I did reaction tests like this often. Either way, I haven’t played in a while. So it’s safe to assume that my playstyle has changed?

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I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.

How is it obvious? If anything it's more facetious because it comes after just a handful of posts at the start of the game and it looks like a distinct after thought to the welcome post. I asked though because Andante was pretty aggressive so it might indeed be serious.

I've seen some suspictions of froggo but I don't know about a wagon. Do you really think I'm that nuanced anyway?

I don’t see where you’re coming from at all. The game was already in serious territory, froggo was expressing scumreads on Andante.

I don’t think you’re that nuanced, but I am saying that you could possibly be partnered with froggo.

I think you're saying I am that nuanced, which is either a compliment or a pocket.

I don’t know. I think there’s some miscommunication. I thought that you were subtly defending to froggo.

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What was the purpose of 87 T3?

So that I can tell people my reads and get reactions?

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Yes do you generally try to solve a case in less than 24 hours? Why is ceejay changing his mind scummy?

I don't have a 'generally' when it comes to mafia because this is my first game. I gave my reason which is that this game has a low player count. I approached the few Avalon games I've played in person for the same reason.

You misunderstood this. I don't get why T3 townreads andante.

Since CJ clarified this, I no longer think that was scummy from him.

Tell me more about green feel T3.

What's his sincerest post?

This question doesn't seem fruitful to me.

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

I don't like that his reads here aren't substantiated.

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

This seems like a stretch.




I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

ceejay not being able to substantiate his reads seem to more likely be a playstyle thing?

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It’s certainly not scummy in of itself.

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I don’t think I phrased that clearly. Him not saying why his reads are what they are in the post he says them isn’t scummy.

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Even then, some people might have reasons that for whatever reason they don’t want to say in the moment.

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Mafia:
ceejayvinoya
froggodoggo

BWAH?!

Zero engagement with the case on him.

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I get the sense froggo isn’t really reading properly?

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I think I misunderstood one of froggo’s posts.
There was 118, though. Galron wasn’t saying that I’m town but meta, he was saying that I am just being my usual self.

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that is E-1 btw!! seems like no one wants to help me out… blood, if I’m scum, do you think it’s only town pushing me? Namely you, T3, Andante, and ceejay. If so, does that mean the 2nd mafia is in Galron/Eiralox?

I can only speak from my POV, but if I had to make a solve right now I would say you/Galron.
If you are town, then… I don’t know.
That’s why I don’t think we should hammer yet.

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You're talking about there being too many posts for you to pay attention to any questions asked of you, and you also add totally meaningless posts. I don't get it.

I think that may be more due to froggo’s personality than something AI.

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No one is hammering anyone right now. Back off people.

What do you think about froggo?

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I don’t like the way Bloodbot is overly focused on posts helping town to win. From my experience playing lots of Mafia rl in the past week, mafia will often try to get people who are joking around a lot limmed. Granted, this may not be true across all rl Mafia playgroups, but I certainly don’t like it.

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So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

Why is Eiralox town?

quoting this so I could answer it later

Oh I see.
I think I’m going to town bin Eiralox and ceejay for today?

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Townbinning Andante based on reads, scum are likely in Bloodbot, froggo, and Galron.

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Eiralox do you think ceejay is town too?

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To be clear T3 and Andante play like this so I don't think it's AI yet. Bloodbot's reads list is ???

This post is really tripping me up. It's like an almost blatant way of discrediting reads into them.

You point out T3 and andante's play but not the content of the play itself and the possible motivations for it.

You point out Blood's reads but didn't really speculate alignment or expand on it either.

This post is basically ???

Very good point - I didn’t think of that at the time but what you’re saying makes sense.

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Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:

Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

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If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.

Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.

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No one is hammering anyone right now. Back off people.

This is just a weak defense of froggo. Galron just says that froggo “shouldn’t be hammered” but doesn’t offer any thoughts on the froggo wagon.

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Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:

Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

vote galron with me

VOTE: galron

I think a Galron flip might give us more info than a froggo flip?

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Assuming for a moment that me, ceejay, and Eiralox are town, the possible teams are:

Spoiler: froggo/Bloodbot

i'll vote galron if you do @bloodb0t

I don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. If froggo and bloodbot were partnered, then they would have more of a plan.

You're talking about there being too many posts for you to pay attention to any questions asked of you, and you also add totally meaningless posts. I don't get it.

I also don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. Bloodbot is pointing out something that froggo is doing that doesn’t make sense. This post is scummy from Bloodbot’s side, as it is shading something NAI. However, scum Bloodbot probably doesn’t shade scum froggo for this.

maybe andante town. idk i still dont like a lot of their content but they aren't trying to murder me and this is a small game so that makes a big difference

VOTE: bloodb0t

There’s also this post, in which froggo votes Bloodbot without mentioning him at all in the post? And while Bloodbot did say stuff between this post and froggo’s previous one, Bloodbot was townreading froggo in those posts. I doubt scum froggo would do this if Bloodbot is scum.

Spoiler: froggo/Galron

froggo barely mentions Galron at all until froggo randomly decides to vote Galron. He tries to recruit me and Bloodbot into voting Galron. I can absolutely see Galron and froggo being partnered from this. The froggo wagon was gaining traction and this reads as froggo being flailing scum trying to get his partner limmed for towncred. This is further emphasized by Galron weakly defending froggo in 134, but not actually making any attempt to read froggo. Galron also weakly defends froggo in previous posts such as 85.

Spoiler: froggo/Andante

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

I highly doubt that froggo and Andante are scum together. Since the start of the game froggo has been going for Andante’s head. froggo decided to unvote Andante because Andante isn’t scumreading him, which seems more like pocketing than s/s.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Galron

They’ve both expressed weak scumreads on each other but there hasn’t been much follow-through, as Galron hasn’t posted much. Possibly scum distancing.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Andante

Bloodbot townread Andante early for her interaction with me. Bloodbot also scumreads ceejay because of his townread on Andante. (Basically the opposite of a chainsaw.) This doesn’t make much sense if they’re partners. Andante expresses a fairly lazy townread on Bloodbot, and she doesn’t elaborate much about nor does she try to convince people Bloodbot is town, which also means that Andante and Bloodbot likely aren’t partnered.

Spoiler: Galron/Andante

They’ve barely acknowledged each other.

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So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

Why is Eiralox town?

quoting this so I could answer it later

Oh I see.
I think I’m going to town bin Eiralox and ceejay for today?

could you explain this to me? i believe you believe it but I would like to be convinced that the game is solved

No point in explaining now.

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Why are you assuming ceejay and Eira town, then your "reasoning" for 1 of the teams is "Andante and frogs are trying to kill each other so not a team" then why have it listed as a plausible team?? I'm confused by your plan here

Assuming for a moment that me, ceejay, and Eiralox are town, the possible teams are:

Spoiler: froggo/Bloodbot

i'll vote galron if you do @bloodb0t

I don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. If froggo and bloodbot were partnered, then they would have more of a plan.

You're talking about there being too many posts for you to pay attention to any questions asked of you, and you also add totally meaningless posts. I don't get it.

I also don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. Bloodbot is pointing out something that froggo is doing that doesn’t make sense. This post is scummy from Bloodbot’s side, as it is shading something NAI. However, scum Bloodbot probably doesn’t shade scum froggo for this.

maybe andante town. idk i still dont like a lot of their content but they aren't trying to murder me and this is a small game so that makes a big difference

VOTE: bloodb0t

There’s also this post, in which froggo votes Bloodbot without mentioning him at all in the post? And while Bloodbot did say stuff between this post and froggo’s previous one, Bloodbot was townreading froggo in those posts. I doubt scum froggo would do this if Bloodbot is scum.

Spoiler: froggo/Galron

froggo barely mentions Galron at all until froggo randomly decides to vote Galron. He tries to recruit me and Bloodbot into voting Galron. I can absolutely see Galron and froggo being partnered from this. The froggo wagon was gaining traction and this reads as froggo being flailing scum trying to get his partner limmed for towncred. This is further emphasized by Galron weakly defending froggo in 134, but not actually making any attempt to read froggo. Galron also weakly defends froggo in previous posts such as 85.

Spoiler: froggo/Andante

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

I highly doubt that froggo and Andante are scum together. Since the start of the game froggo has been going for Andante’s head. froggo decided to unvote Andante because Andante isn’t scumreading him, which seems more like pocketing than s/s.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Galron

They’ve both expressed weak scumreads on each other but there hasn’t been much follow-through, as Galron hasn’t posted much. Possibly scum distancing.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Andante

Bloodbot townread Andante early for her interaction with me. Bloodbot also scumreads ceejay because of his townread on Andante. (Basically the opposite of a chainsaw.) This doesn’t make much sense if they’re partners. Andante expresses a fairly lazy townread on Bloodbot, and she doesn’t elaborate much about nor does she try to convince people Bloodbot is town, which also means that Andante and Bloodbot likely aren’t partnered.

Spoiler: Galron/Andante

They’ve barely acknowledged each other.

ceejay and Eiralox are town, don’t question it today.
I’m assessing all of the possible scum pairs in my post, and determined that you and froggo aren’t scum together.

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I am not townreading Eira and ceejay for no reason.

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Why are you assuming ceejay and Eira town, then your "reasoning" for 1 of the teams is "Andante and frogs are trying to kill each other so not a team" then why have it listed as a plausible team?? I'm confused by your plan here

Assuming for a moment that me, ceejay, and Eiralox are town, the possible teams are:

Spoiler: froggo/Bloodbot

i'll vote galron if you do @bloodb0t

I don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. If froggo and bloodbot were partnered, then they would have more of a plan.

You're talking about there being too many posts for you to pay attention to any questions asked of you, and you also add totally meaningless posts. I don't get it.

I also don’t think froggo and bloodbot are partnered because of this post. Bloodbot is pointing out something that froggo is doing that doesn’t make sense. This post is scummy from Bloodbot’s side, as it is shading something NAI. However, scum Bloodbot probably doesn’t shade scum froggo for this.

maybe andante town. idk i still dont like a lot of their content but they aren't trying to murder me and this is a small game so that makes a big difference

VOTE: bloodb0t

There’s also this post, in which froggo votes Bloodbot without mentioning him at all in the post? And while Bloodbot did say stuff between this post and froggo’s previous one, Bloodbot was townreading froggo in those posts. I doubt scum froggo would do this if Bloodbot is scum.

Spoiler: froggo/Galron

froggo barely mentions Galron at all until froggo randomly decides to vote Galron. He tries to recruit me and Bloodbot into voting Galron. I can absolutely see Galron and froggo being partnered from this. The froggo wagon was gaining traction and this reads as froggo being flailing scum trying to get his partner limmed for towncred. This is further emphasized by Galron weakly defending froggo in 134, but not actually making any attempt to read froggo. Galron also weakly defends froggo in previous posts such as 85.

Spoiler: froggo/Andante

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

I highly doubt that froggo and Andante are scum together. Since the start of the game froggo has been going for Andante’s head. froggo decided to unvote Andante because Andante isn’t scumreading him, which seems more like pocketing than s/s.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Galron

They’ve both expressed weak scumreads on each other but there hasn’t been much follow-through, as Galron hasn’t posted much. Possibly scum distancing.

Spoiler: Bloodbot/Andante

Bloodbot townread Andante early for her interaction with me. Bloodbot also scumreads ceejay because of his townread on Andante. (Basically the opposite of a chainsaw.) This doesn’t make much sense if they’re partners. Andante expresses a fairly lazy townread on Bloodbot, and she doesn’t elaborate much about nor does she try to convince people Bloodbot is town, which also means that Andante and Bloodbot likely aren’t partnered.

Spoiler: Galron/Andante

They’ve barely acknowledged each other.

ceejay and Eiralox are town, don’t question it today.
I’m assessing all of the possible scum pairs in my post, and determined that you and froggo aren’t scum together.

so how many from your list are teams you're actually considering?

3, 1 a bit, 1 possibly, 1 not at all.

[T3]

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.

Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.

then vote galron

cause here it's looking like the plan is to lim Galron, then regardless of his flip, to flip me cause I'm not talking to him? like, it's not my fault Galron isn't here when I am... and trying to interact with people not here when I am? well, we see how that's going with Eira

I’m not saying you’re scum with Galron. I’m saying that’s a possibility of you being scum with Galron, which I will reassess later.

[T3]

from my pov T3 is very confident in solving this game and I am very confident that T3 is town so my job is to just push on the people in their POE that isn’t me

Honestly, this is a really towny post.

[T3]

I don't get how T3 is so confident on Eira being town. Also, I never town read froggo as he claims. I said I strongly lean scum towards froggo. I mentioned froggo as a possible 'unhelpful town' to get feedback on how viable it was to vote an 'unhelpful town' in a small game. I unvoted because people were scared of someone being at e-1, and I thought that it wasn't fair to have someone at e-1 when Eira has barely posted.

Since my last post, my perspective has changed a little bit.

It seems that voting unhelpful town is not a good idea. I'll try to take the game less seriously. I'll give townies more room to make 'unhelpful' posts. I realize it's probably more important to find mafia who are being 'helpful', but are actually providing bad help. Bad help is worse than no help.

T3 also mentioned how in rl games mafia tries to eliminate people who are joking in his experience. Well, this is not an rl game. I was already suspicious of froggo before criticizing his joking, and my main point was that he was contradicting himself by creating more meaningless posts while also saying there are too many posts.

T3 is on my scum list, along with Eira for being silent and being defended for no reason by t3. I thought maybe T3 talking about froggo not engaging my case could have been a pocket attempt. When he realized it wasn't working, he decided to try to frame me for attacking silly fun posts.

At this point I think the mafia team is probably T3 and Eira. Waiting on Eira.

Froggo could be a town that doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: wasn't expecting Eira to defend T3. I don't like what he says about Andante. I think everything Andante's been doing lines up with town. I don't like how non-commital Eira is being, combined with how T3 townbinned him for no reason. So T3-Eira scumteam makes the most sense right now.

That’s fair, I may have misinterpreted the nature of your read on froggo. I do also like your perspective shift. Also, I was talking about froggo not engaging with my case, not yours.

Also, ceejay townreads Eiralox too?

[T3]

lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.

I like this idea but we still have 5 rl days left in D1 so I wont be voting or talking much until we're closer to the deadline. I think I've done all that I can to indicate my alignment but and I'm still not very confident about who is scum.

However, notice T3's zero engagement in my case on him.

202 doesn't count because other people have expressed the same questioning those reads, and he hasn't mentioned my idea that he may have tried to pocket and then frame me.

See you all later.

I am reading the game and responding to posts in order??

[T3]

T3 is on my scum list, along with Eira for being silent and being defended for no reason by t3. I thought maybe T3 talking about froggo not engaging my case could have been a pocket attempt. When he realized it wasn't working, he decided to try to frame me for attacking silly fun posts.

Still dunno about T3 being scum, but this kind of post is very town!pov from bloodb0t. I don't agree with the read but it's so farfetched that i don't think it comes from mafia.

Farfetched probably isnt the right word, i KNOW theres a term that mafia players use for this and every time i want to use it i forget what it is D:

anyways UNVOTE: bloodb0t

UNVOTE: froggo_
Okay wait this is really towny.

[T3]

lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.

Do you think that I am scum with ceejay?

[T3]

ceejay’s questions seems like genuine scumhunting. Currently I’m null on Eiralox. Bloodb0t’s reads seemed very ‘safe’, but his reasoning made sense.

putting this post in contemporary context, what do you think about Blood's current reasoning? Calling me and you scum? And I think I'll just cover this here, froggo, you and ceejay have sorta read me town so far? So we got Blood saying me and u scum. And we got froggo saying u and ceejay scum cos... from what i saw... u folk tr'd me? which i think froggo sorta also did? while u saying ceejay and i town?

so i'll be honest these are some very interesting patterns and I think, cos I do still feel green on u, and with you being in the center of this much intrigue.... idk i'd just love to here a detailed take i guess >.<

Blood’s reasons are garbage. I had reasons not connected to your play to townread you (and some reasons connected to your play as of now), and Bloodbot claims that my townread on you is scummy. This is NAI.

What did stick out was him saying that I am ignoring his case when I am reading through the game, that’s just acting in bad faith.

[T3]

lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.

I like this idea but we still have 5 rl days left in D1 so I wont be voting or talking much until we're closer to the deadline.

I think I've done all that I can to indicate my alignment

but and I'm still not very confident about who is scum.

However, notice T3's zero engagement in my case on him.

202 doesn't count because other people have expressed the same questioning those reads, and he hasn't mentioned my idea that he may have tried to pocket and then frame me.

See you all later.

…???

[T3]

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.

Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.

how do you view this in light of froggo now having jumped off galron, asking me and blood to vote ceejay?

I’ve done like… a 140 on froggo (not quite a 180) since then, BUT I think froggo’s reasons for voting ceejay are NAI. Galron hasn’t posted enough for me to read him with confidence but just by PoE I think he’s scum.

[T3]

Froggo weaving this narrative about bloodbot is surface level analysis and really makes sense only if they're partners. I haven't read every post in the last day but it looks like froggo is trying to lim anyone that he can get a wagon on. I'll be voting there but I don't want to hammer anyone without a claim and I'm not sure the vc. Ceejay is just town.

???
Yes, froggo’s bloodbot read is surface level, but as far as I can tell, bloodbot has only played Avalon IRL so it’s reasonable to assume surface level tells are mostly valid on bloodbot. Also, surface level analysis doesn’t imply scum.

[T3]

VOTE: Galron
I’m down.

[T3]

I'll read more carefully tonight

You’re dead

[T3]

I think I've been trying too hard to justify my reads and coming off as way too confident. I have no idea what's going on. I feel like T3 and Eira could be the scum team but I'm basically guessing.

I don’t think Galron was the highest info flips based on partnerships, but he was my top scumread.

[T3]

ceejay and Eira, if you are Masons then FMPOV it’s autowin?

[T3]

I was pretty sure ceejay and Eiralox were crumbing masons

[T3]

I was doing setup spec in my head and I was thinking of a possible setup in which there are 2 masons at the exact same time I noticed ceejay crumb mason

[T3]

I was doing setup spec in my head and I was thinking of a possible setup in which there are 2 masons at the exact same time I noticed ceejay crumb mason

and considering I KNEW we had a mason claim situation, but you enter day "here's the masons, it's auto fmpov" like, it was really obvious we had mason claims going on, that kill makes 0 sense from the pov of maf trying to find PRs, that kill is to set up whatever

When I first saw the Bloodbot kill I thought that froggo was scum.

[T3]

I do not see frog ever killing blood there, like, it makes 0 sense from a frog pov, I was just gonna auto lim blood here, I believe this is a T3!scum move

This makes zero sense

[T3]

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

[T3]

“Eiralox is town because I said so”

[T3]

I also think that a bloodbot kill comes from froggo
Froggo doesn’t realize there are masons, goes “okay, who here is obvious town?” And kills Bloodbot because he hammered Galron

[T3]

hmm T3 did dissapear…
AHHHHH THIS IS TOO DIFFICULT

UNVOTE:
when in doubt unvote

I did disappear

[T3]

froggo, can you link some of your off-site games?

[T3]

T3 what happens if i get limmed and i flip town up until game ends

If you get limmed and flip town then Andante kills whoever in the masons is townreading me the most, at which point idk

[T3]

I think the bloodbot kill comes from froggo
I don’t think scum froggo fake claims gunsmith

[T3]

When I have time later today I’ll reread but I’m slightly leaning towards froggo’s rn

[T3]

like, T3's extreme hesitance to vote here is what gets me

I have life things

[T3]

so like, why is there hesitance all of a sudden with this TR on me? like, if you're going "scum andante wouldn't play like that" then you write me off as town, and you don't just sit here on the fence like "idk... it could go either way..." cause T3 still refuses to commit to a side here in this

Okay but yesterday I also started townreading froggo

[T3]

I just haven’t had much time to be on today

[T3]

VOTE: Andante
your reasons are just complete trash
I don’t really know what else to say
You’re scumreading me because apparently I ‘want control of the game’
Galron being super cool to go over is just his scum meta in general
Also you had literally commented on the mason thing - obviously scum me will think that you think there are masons

[T3]

I think the bloodbot kill comes from froggo
I don’t think scum froggo fake claims gunsmith

like, fencesitting... at least pretend to pick a side, like, this "I'll sit on the fence... idk" does nothing for anyone

Okay? Is there anything wrong with my reasoning?

[T3]

also T3 any thoughts about Andante thinking you were also a mason with CJ and Eiralox?

I don’t think Andante is telling the truth, given that she said “I guess T3 is just going to hard shield Eira and ceejay”

[T3]

People were scumreading you and ceejay and there was a part of me that decided to panic and do stupid things such as make it obvious you were masons

[T3]

I mean, vote me if you want I don't care, but do not let T3 convince you he is town tomorrow. I'm certain it's him, and as you said, why not keep the TR of the masons on the DL??? like, I wasn't even thinking masons till T3 randomly called you 2 town, and obviously I wasn't gonna go "wait, you 3 are masons?" on day 1, idk, I mean this doesn't feel that difficult to me.. T3 had me as a stronger TR than froggo all game, now all of a sudden it's "I'll vote andante!" right...

I’ve already explained this. Yesterday, froggo was fairly towny near the end of the day.

[T3]

Ggwp

[T3]

My rationale for killing Bloodbot wasn’t at all to force town into autowin

I killed him because I didn’t think I would ever be able to mislim him - I didn’t think the kill through

[T3]

I was sure that everyone would be townreading bloodbot

[T3]

I am also technically an alt - I joined a game in 2018 but flaked out