Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Fun note - this was the first setup I played on site.

None of you were there though.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Bella

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Bellaphant because I'm a sheep.

Oooh - spicy. Let's go for that elusive page 1 elim.

[PenguinPower]

I will be voting for the last person to join the game.

boring...

[PenguinPower]

How dare you.

VOTE: Penguin

omgus and lim all liars - wow you are making me pull out all of the buzzwords today.

VOTE: Somnus

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Bellaphant because I'm a sheep.

Oooh - spicy. Let's go for that elusive page 1 elim.

There a particular reason you want one?
VOTE: Penguin

because it's elusive...duh

[PenguinPower]

what...what is going on...

did I teleport to a different universe...

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

norwe is doing like a gerryoat thing and you are doing...a....not you thing...and i....

wow.

[PenguinPower]

let me see a votecount and i'll get started.

[PenguinPower]

I feel like a page 1 elim doesn’t really net good wagon data

i'm sorry - did you actually think i was serious?

[PenguinPower]

And Penguin, besides noting that Not_Mafia is playing a very different style than I think we were all expecting, where are you at with regards to some of the other players in the game?

absolutely nowhere except gamma seems too stiff, but that's probably town indicative.

[PenguinPower]

NM - are you still lolhammerhappy? I can't tell in this universe.

[PenguinPower]

What universe do you mean friendo I only know one universe and it’s the one where you and I are the best of buds I would never lolhammer, it’s anti-town, disrespectful to the effort everyone is putting into the game and just plain rude

VOTE: Alianna

e-1

[PenguinPower]

Wow....two lolhammers not interested in lolhammering...

this is a wacky world.

[PenguinPower]

Wow....two lolhammers not interested in lolhammering...

this is a wacky world.

in this wacky world, are you a wolf?

-Andante

No - I carry a gun and shoot people at night.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: pengy

[PenguinPower]

choo choo

[PenguinPower]

why ever for?

[PenguinPower]

we had nice competing wagons in me and Alianna at that point...booo

[PenguinPower]

Wow....two lolhammers not interested in lolhammering...

this is a wacky world.

in this wacky world, are you a wolf?

-Andante

No - I carry a gun and shoot people at night.

IDK HOW I MISSED THIS!!!

oof, Penguin... you don't sound like a good guy ._. you sound... S C A R Y

-Andante

depends on your perspective really

[PenguinPower]

you're really not picking up what i'm putting down but that's okay.

[PenguinPower]

def not the right person on day 1

[PenguinPower]

tbf allianna seemed to easy of a wagon but also it was the first one and those usually don't go through so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

too easy*

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

yeah, like it hit e-1 then started dissolving, I'd also just be down to yeet NM and call it a day... maybe. I haven't seen Alliana here since I started calling her maf, frozen scum?
-Andante

Didn’t you call her scum just some hours ago? And you say the could be frozen scum?

She called me frozen scum after 45 seconds so...seems she wants a very rapid response.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Alianna

That's E-1 I believe.

[PenguinPower]

(expired on 2022-08-10 14:59:21)

[PenguinPower]

wtf...

[PenguinPower]

lol

[PenguinPower]

anime, visual novel, close enough

[PenguinPower]

On an Ali scumflip my current reads are

^
everything was predicated on a scum flip

[PenguinPower]

Don’t have much time to post rn but that self hammer fkin sucked and I want to lim the hydra for putting such overwhelming pressure on Alianna. It was ludicrous

So vote there?

I do want to hear more from nancy today tbh.

[PenguinPower]

Agreed with Frog.

Do I need to explain how voting works in this game?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: norwegian

por que

[PenguinPower]

Agreed with Frog.

Do I need to explain how voting works in this game?

Y don’t u vote.

because i don't know who i want to vote for rn...unlike the two of you who have expressed someone you do want to vote for...

[PenguinPower]

lol - ok

[PenguinPower]

because they have reasons to think you are not aligned with the town and are taking action as a result of that...is that enough of a primer on voting in mafia?

[PenguinPower]

tbf - i'd like to know what those reasons are

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Bad reason to SR me and bad reason to TR Fun Times.
I found my next vote.

proud of you

[PenguinPower]

- Real talk, we need to hear from goldfish, I don't like the idea of just playing this game as if goldfish isn't here

Agreed - same with nancy.

[PenguinPower]

Couldn't care less whether you defend me or not.

why so hostile?

[PenguinPower]

NM blatantly trolling you all and you falling on it.

^

[PenguinPower]

yea ok - fun times is town.

moving on.

[PenguinPower]

I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town

yeah - we arrived there from play, but thanks.

[PenguinPower]

you checked somnus because?

[PenguinPower]

you checked somnus because?

1. Because I find them hard to read
2. a few ppl were scumreading them
3. someone (I think it was bbt) suggested them as a good check
And 4. because I'm paranoid because they've been scum in every game I've played with them.

valid

[PenguinPower]

What is meta.

is this a position you want to seriously take?

Yes, i’m trying to eliminate meta in my solving so i don’t take it into account.

Meta is very useful and when did you happen to have this extremely curious chsnge of heart?

Since a certain someone came back and he's partnered up with him...

BlueBloodedToffee

I kid, I kid....

or do I?

[PenguinPower]

tbf i claimed n1 cop with an innno my last time playing this setup as scum

js

[PenguinPower]

So 2 dead cops and 2 claimed cops. Curious to see where this goes.

[PenguinPower]

mmm wonder if it’s not ideal to hold a popcorn-style, no-night mass claim…

[PenguinPower]

Probably not. Scum know the numbers.

[PenguinPower]

Well - that’s why I said “no night.” You don’t claim your night since that is randomized anyway.

[PenguinPower]

But we are specifically in a 4/6; 5/5; or 6/4 setup.

[PenguinPower]

Nows probably not the time…maybe D4.

[PenguinPower]

Guess it depends what happens.

[PenguinPower]

Also we have two cops so do you trust one and not the other?

[PenguinPower]

Also we have two cops so do you trust one and not the other?

I mean, both are alive..

how bad of an idea is it to yeet goldfish, then if goldfish is town, we have an IC, and if scum, well, yeah scum down

Only one was claimed D1.

I’m no Jinglebingle so I can’t be certain as to the mechanics, but that doesn’t feel like a good trade rn.

[PenguinPower]

pretty sure he's just referencing semi-confirmed town

[PenguinPower]

So Norwegian is 40% Mafia aligned! Seems fair game for me.

like - this statement applies to everyone who is not enchant/goldfish/somnus to him

which - tbf - is par for the course for enchant.

[PenguinPower]

lol - fun times is obvtown...that's a horrible push.

Why is there an Enchant wagon currently?

[PenguinPower]

That’s probably why I’m currently liking both Enchant and NM because they’re currently voting my top two srs.

Why are Jake and Norwe your top two scum reads?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: jake

[PenguinPower]

I don’t think he’s right but I agree with the rest.

[PenguinPower]

lol - fun times is obvtown...that's a horrible push.

Why is there an Enchant wagon currently?

Do you disagree with my reasoning or is it a bad push because meta?

Do you have any reads yet?

I literally said I didn’t agree in the post above you.

And, obviously I have reads. Sorry if I’m not spoon feeding them to you.

[PenguinPower]

Why is everyone so angry

that's how things exist in this universe.

[PenguinPower]

Why did you choose to read your own slot first?

Is the Amish tell still a thing?

I know my own role, but I do not know my slot, or what they have done prior to being replaced. I find the notion that I should be left in the dark about what the previous inhabitant has done to be rather silly.

You also don't know the roles or what any other slot has done in the game - I find the notion that you care about a slot you do know the role of more than those you don't to be rather silly.

[PenguinPower]

Why did you choose to read your own slot first?

Is the Amish tell still a thing?

I know my own role, but I do not know my slot, or what they have done prior to being replaced. I find the notion that I should be left in the dark about what the previous inhabitant has done to be rather silly.

You also don't know the roles or what any other slot has done in the game - I find the notion that you care about a slot you do know the role of more than those you don't to be rather silly.

Are you saying I should leave myself open to being contradicted and blindsided by the prior tenant's actions?

I'm saying the fact that you care about maintaining internal consistency with your prior slot's actions is scummy...yes.

[PenguinPower]

I love this not_mafia tbh

[PenguinPower]

this is a good universe.

[PenguinPower]

thoughts on other slots there, jake?

[PenguinPower]

Ok. I feel better now.

UNVOTE: Goldfish

glad we don't have to lim you for being a liar.

[PenguinPower]

thoughts on jake?

[PenguinPower]

I'd probably just read the whole thread from the start because I'm that weirdo.

This is a more normal thing to do!

[PenguinPower]

I think the main reason why I wod ISO Froggo is to see if they claimed anything dumb that needs retracting and redacting. Another reason would be to see, with my own eyes, why froggo had 4ish votes accordion to the_worst's votecount.

okay so scummy...and something that would be much better served iso'ing the slots that placed the votes.

got it.

[PenguinPower]

1.)It's a game with a lot of cops and doctors. Could be checking to see if there was a check his predecessor had made (if he had a night 1 role) rather than assuming people would have informed him of such a thing when he replaced in.

would have received this via pm upon replacement

2.) Maybe he just has a weird style of approaching the game, particularly as a replace in?

scummy...yes.

3.) Wanted to first understand why his predecessor had votes on them before catching up?

See my previous post to this one.

[PenguinPower]

fun times, gamma, n_m are town.

the rest of you can boot it.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not his speaker and I'm not interested in defending him. In a game where people are being as cryptic as possible with their reads and the reasoning behind their reads, I'd appreciate getting reads from someone who just replaced in, even if I wasn't town-reading his predecessor. So you can kindly "boot it".

weird flex to a reponse that gives reads, but ok.

[PenguinPower]

I frequently read the ISO of a slot I’m considering repping into before doing so to brace myself for entry
So Jake ISOing frog makes sense to me

sorry - you only read that slot's ISO?

[PenguinPower]

Now, now, Jake. You owe this thread much more first.

[PenguinPower]

you're really not picking up what i'm putting down but that's okay.

Was nothing.

def not the right person on day 1

Was a response to 419

What was this Penguin?

See in green above.

[PenguinPower]

fun times, gamma, n_m are town.

the rest of you can boot it.

I would add BBT to this townlist
I feel reasonably sure he’s town from when we were going back and forth earlier

somewhat inclined to agree - not sure why scum would be this aggressive rn

[PenguinPower]

What do you mean it was nothing?

What did you want them to pick up?

What did you mean in 420?

I meant that I'm not good/don't like D1 so I'm not the person to ask - I feel like that was pretty clear.

[PenguinPower]

thoughts on other slots there, jake?

[PenguinPower]

Haven't read much past page 10, all I can conclude is that my slot had many opinions and not facts.

I have just finished Page 6-

[PenguinPower]

food lion? hit up the local publix.

[PenguinPower]

focus jake

[PenguinPower]

be great if jake stopped using a fake language to convey information

[PenguinPower]

be great if jake stopped using a fake language to convey information

All language is made up

not many of them were established simply to try and understand the meaning of life in 120 words

[PenguinPower]

and official languages are at least easily translatable

[PenguinPower]

be great if jake stopped using a fake language to convey information

I could also use sitelen pona to be even more useless if you'd hate.

maybe focus on reading the game and giving your thoughts instead?

or, don't...we can just elim you.

[PenguinPower]

How about this game? Thoughts on this game?

[PenguinPower]

How about this game? Thoughts on this game?

Are you asking about what is going on right now? I haven't read up recent history, but I have posted my armchair analysis on the first few pages of the game.

So - maybe instead of engaging in pointless conversations you should catch up and let us know your thoughts.

Then have fun engaging in pointless conversations.

[PenguinPower]

Bella was first to vote Ali after noting scum reads from myself and Ausuka.

What do you think about that?

What do you think about Penguin's lack of scum reads?

Wow that misrep…it taste good?

[PenguinPower]

Well - when one generally states their town reads, scum usually resides in the group that is not in those reads. Usually.

Shocker! I know.

[PenguinPower]

Outside Goldfish for obvious reasons, no.

If you want me to start EILI5-everything for you going forward just let me know. Would have thought you wouldn’t need that but…eh.

[PenguinPower]

Nah. This has been fun though. We should do it again sometime.

Maybe after Jake flips?

[PenguinPower]

Glad you think so.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - mostly cuz I don’t really like engaging with on a serious level.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah - mostly cuz I don’t really like engaging with you on a serious level.

[PenguinPower]

If we can't get your reads, could we at least get a reason for why?

You have my reads though.

[PenguinPower]

@nm, some reads please?

Would you mind, NM?

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They are no rainbow reads (though close) but color me impressed.

I actually don't disagree with them too strongly either! Wow.

[PenguinPower]

then vote there?

[PenguinPower]

I've said all I'm going to say on it. If you want to continue, go ahead. I'm done with the conversation.

NM - are you still lolhammerhappy? I can't tell in this universe.

What universe do you mean friendo I only know one universe and it’s the one where you and I are the best of buds I would never lolhammer, it’s anti-town, disrespectful to the effort everyone is putting into the game and just plain rude

no worries - you are the only lolhammerer in this universe

[PenguinPower]

Silently putting me on E-1 with NM in game.

Lim Don Draper next.

UNVOTE:

I thought you were at E-3.

?

the vote count is on this page a few posts up

[PenguinPower]

oops - the previous page a few posts up from your vote*

[PenguinPower]

Yes?

[PenguinPower]

yay math

[PenguinPower]

Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.

bbt said both were highly likely to be town tbf

[PenguinPower]

starting a new wagon now is not something i would attempt to do as scum, but i don't really care to defend bbt either

[PenguinPower]

starting a new wagon now is not something i would attempt to do as scum, but i don't really care to defend bbt either

[PenguinPower]

starting a new wagon now is not something i would attempt to do as scum, but i don't really care to defend bbt either

If that's not something that scum would do, then wouldn't bbt look a little fishy here?

fair

[PenguinPower]

ugh

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

uuuuuuuuugh

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: enchant

[PenguinPower]

Unofficial Votecount

Jake The Wolfie (4)- Not_Mafia, Enchant, Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee
Enchant (4)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie, PenguinPower

Not voting (3)- Kop, Gamma Emerald, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I got two shinies in legends: arceus today

No change it seems.

VOTE: Jake

[PenguinPower]

Like, take BBT for instance. Do you think that they would have unvoted after learning that my activation night is tonight, kr would they still say that I shpd be axed anyway because I'm more likely to be scum, and this would merely be an evasion tactic?

It would have sounded desperate, it would have made me look more like scum, and it would have done the opposite of what you would have wanted.

You said it was night 3....

[PenguinPower]

Pretty simple - we needed an elim instead of a no-elim and my vote was able to drive the Jake wagon to e-1 bringing us closer to that elim whereas my vote anywhere else would not have helped.

[PenguinPower]

There's at least one more.

[PenguinPower]

1 is Kop - I forgot about the goldfish slot

[PenguinPower]

Kop claimed Cop?

I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town

Kop replaces GoldfishFromTheMoon!

[PenguinPower]

I’m just gonna say it
That’s a weird ass kill.

Really, I thought Nancy was pretty universally townread

somnus was "cleared" so while killing kop would have cleared somnus and provided an IC w/a potentially future-dated action with likely protects. killing somnus doesn't necessarily clear kop and eliminates that potential. what does killing nancy gain?

i guess there is something to be said for the wifom of scum clearing scum though.

[PenguinPower]

Competing scum wagons is possible but it's not where I want to go today
I want to see more from Kop, and want to explore my nulltown reads more, namely Norwee, Bella and Pengu

this is just...astounding to me and i love it

[PenguinPower]

fair - we haven't had any doc claims.

[PenguinPower]

yeah - no, that makes sense.

[PenguinPower]

Reads. I have them. But wanted to wait until everyone has posted in case there was finally some juicy cop info. I think the beloved cow is our only hope left for that.

Before we get to that, does anyone think both those wagons were on mafia because...I’m not seeing it.

Assuming true claims:

VC 2.FINAL

Jake The Wolfie (6)- Not_Mafia, Enchant,

Somnus

, BlueBloodedToffee, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald (HAMMER)
Enchant (3)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE,

Jake The Wolfie

Not voting (2)-

Kop

,

Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.
A
Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

What are your thoughts?

[PenguinPower]

If Penguin is scum then the third is Enchant, Pengion only switches to Jake there if the scumteam was committed to the bus from the beginning. There's at least one bus vote as I doubt all 3 scum just sat on Enchant and BBT's and Gamma's votes look the worst

counterpoint - gamma and i could have coasted to no elim easily with no activity.

[PenguinPower]

so - we were either looking to pick up towncred or....just town who didn't want a no elim

[PenguinPower]

i mean - the gamesates were entirely different, but yeah, i shouldn't be town solely for voting scum.

[PenguinPower]

If Penguin is scum then the third is Enchant, Pengion only switches to Jake there if the scumteam was committed to the bus from the beginning. There's at least one bus vote as I doubt all 3 scum just sat on Enchant and BBT's and Gamma's votes look the worst

counterpoint - gamma and i could have coasted to no elim easily with no activity.

I don't think that was certain or even likely, Nancy hydra was active and could have voted, the replacement was active at EoD and players could have switched to Enchant

100% disagree with this assessment with <3 hours to go.

[PenguinPower]

I was scum and was D1 hard bussed by both my scumbuddies.

[PenguinPower]

Nope.

[PenguinPower]

Nope.

Then we have nothing to worry about

Yep. Datisi and Looker got nothin on us.

[PenguinPower]

why does BBT's vote look bad to you, NM? I don't need to ask about mine because I'm pretty sure of why.

Placement, There's a bus and if it's a double bus it was an early vote + Penguin, cos Penguin's vote tipped the balance and sealed Jake's fate. If it's one scum bussing, it was you or BBT just trying to get their name on the wagon for towncred. If BBT is scum, I don't think he was committed to the wagon going through, he just wanted to be seen to be pushing Jake for cred, but then the wagon went through very quickly EoD

this is not a bad take.

[PenguinPower]

still want somnus' assessment

[PenguinPower]

Nope!

[PenguinPower]

Split votes are possible though.

[PenguinPower]

oop - want to see what somnus says

[PenguinPower]

@mod

v/La this weekend.

[PenguinPower]

And Penguin, besides noting that Not_Mafia is playing a very different style than I think we were all expecting, where are you at with regards to some of the other players in the game?

absolutely nowhere except gamma seems too stiff, but that's probably town indicative.

So far in this game, you've basically said nothing. Or said stuff that sounds like it's saying something, but on closer inspection it's just as meaningless.

Welcome to every game ever with me if that’s your conclusion.

[PenguinPower]

If there was late scum in Jake wagon it's probably Penguinpower.

Nope. Already said why not. Pay attention.

VOTE: kop

[PenguinPower]

With the way he jumped off, hoping that Enchant wagon may have taken off, but realizing that it wasn't, and Jakes was taking off, he had to jump on in hope to buy credit.

Just gonna reiterate this:

If there was late scum in Jake wagon it's probably Penguinpower.

Nope. Already said why not. Pay attention.

VOTE: kop

If I'm looking for credit, I'm not going to hop on in a position or manner that doesn't get me credit...

I most certainly wouldn't say:

i mean - the gamesates were entirely different, but yeah, i shouldn't be town solely for voting scum.

[PenguinPower]

My Kop vote is now serious

[PenguinPower]

lol at changing your argument up mid-debate.

[PenguinPower]

mindmelding with n_m

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

But it's just words, thats all it is, it's words. Think about it logically, you can say anything, to make it look like you want it to look and people to buy it.

Except what I said included actions as well!

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

You can make anything fit your narrative when you start from the conclusion.

[PenguinPower]

Welcome to every game ever with me if that’s your conclusion.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

enchant was voting me

[PenguinPower]

This is exciting. We could potentially see 3 or 4 prods at once by tomorrow.

That’s not exciting. Exciting would be seeing you lay down a vote.

[PenguinPower]

You know what helps with analysis?

[PenguinPower]

Incorrect!

[PenguinPower]

lol - that joke went over your head it seems.

[PenguinPower]

And - tbf - I’ll give you partial credit as that was a correct response, just not the one we were looking for.

[PenguinPower]

why am i scum bella?

[PenguinPower]

@pp, I have no reason to tr you in your posting and your position around yesterday's wagons looks scummy.

you should read your tr not_mafia's posting and refute that then because simply saying it looks scummy doesn't really mean much

[PenguinPower]

who's scum when i flip town and your tunnel is broken wide open there norwe?

[PenguinPower]

But i am almost sure that if Jake was my partner yesterday i would saved them easily.

like - if I was Jake's partner I could have easily saved them by not moving. So, for you to say this and then still posit my move was a scum one makes you a moron or simply tunneled for...???reasons.

[PenguinPower]

I'm assuming tunneled for pride-related issues, but that is a viable alternative explanation, yes.

[PenguinPower]

love your continued alternative reality and crafting a narrative to fit a preformed stance.

i'm done with you

[PenguinPower]

Also this is something i hear from scum all the time. "You're just prideful, this is an emotional push" when it is not at all so.
Quite interesting that you bring out this rather than trying to engage with my arguments and actually prove that you couldn't possibly have been bussing Jake yesterday when i'm hypothesizing that out of all of the players that were on the Jake wagon. Yours look the most like the bussing vote.

you aren't engaging in good faith and you refuse to consider point raised instead just shifting your narrative to make the conclusion still fit...what else am i supposed to take away from that?

[PenguinPower]

now i'm done with you

[PenguinPower]

You're voting BBT

VOTE: kop
Meh

[PenguinPower]

Did you seriously intend that as an gotcha or something?

No, I meant it as a

which is why i posted a

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: norwe

[PenguinPower]

N3 Doc btw so whatever.

[PenguinPower]

all scum likely on my wagon rn, yes. one of {bella, norwe} and one of {kop, gamma}

probably norwe/kop

[PenguinPower]

Yeah i don't buy that claim obvs.

just shut up. please. you just flat out tunneling and rejecting everything is grating.

just shut up.

[PenguinPower]

how about....no

[PenguinPower]

Anyway i'm still not feeling 100% so i won't bother y'all anymore. You know where my vote is at.

how about you honor your word and just shut up

[PenguinPower]

i'm done with you

[PenguinPower]

how about you stop telling me what to do? how about you stop engaging with me like you said you would and like i asked?

how about that?

[PenguinPower]

Kop slot I think might be revolving-door-scum

VOTE: Kop then

Don’t disagree with this (as stated). But why is Norwe town and why shouldn’t we remove the obnoxious scum?

[PenguinPower]

This holier than thou attitude comes from tunnelled town Norwee

But…it annoys the hell out of me and I don’t want to deal with it tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

Bleh

VOTE: kop

[PenguinPower]

2022 - when Not_mafia became my favorite player on site.

[PenguinPower]

My problem is that none of the three people who moved their vote weirdly at the end of the day (pp, gamma and bbt) are acknowledging that the wagon moved fast, that it would've been an opportune bus, etc. Especially bbt, who's decided instead that there has to be scum on the other wagon, which feels convenient.

@gamma, talk to me about your vote?

because that's not what happened? Jake v. Enchant were equal wagons with hours left in the day and it didn't seem like anyone was moving and there were many nonvoters who may or may not have been online:

VC 2.8

Jake The Wolfie (4)- Not_Mafia, Enchant, Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee
Enchant (4)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie, PenguinPower

Not voting (3)- Kop, Gamma Emerald, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I got two shinies in legends: arceus today

I shifted back to Jake and put him at E-1 to give a nonvoter and easier chant to end the day which gamma did

VC 2.FINAL

Jake The Wolfie (6)- Not_Mafia, Enchant, Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald (HAMMER)
Enchant (3)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie

Not voting (2)- Kop, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I apologize for being easily distractible

Jake the Wolfie was eliminated on Day 2. He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

Night 2 begins now. It will end in (expired on 2022-08-24 14:00:00).

that's not what we call a fast moving wagon...that's what we call trying to avoid a no-elim.

as for an opportune bus? That would have been pushing the wagon and not exploring alternatives. hopping on at EOD is not an ideal bus as can be evidenced by norwe's annoying, weak tunnel on me.

[PenguinPower]

That's really interesting (I know that sounds sarcastic), because it felt very different to me? It felt like the wagon could've literally gone either way Ans then suddenly with very little 'reason' a bunch of votes moved in what felt like a really quick time - certainly between me checking the thread and then it being hammered next time I checked. Jumping on for town cred there looked like an ideal opportunity - I think I'd have done it as scum, I guess.

It

could

have gone either way (so why would scum!penguin shift it back to my partner - the crux of mine and n_m's town!penguin argument), but the game was stagnant in terms of the nonvoters not voting and people parked on wagons and there were like 3 hours left in the day. I'll give you Gamma hopped on fast after my vote, but again, we were pushing toward a no-elim.

The wagon itself did not move fast and certainly "a bunch of votes" did not move in a quick amount of time. I shifted and non-voting Gamma voted.

[PenguinPower]

Pretty sure he’s saying that because we hit the min cop reveal scum is going to claim doc so they don’t have to produce results.

Idk. That’s what I’d do. Enchant is hard to parse.

Ofc, that assumes Kop didn’t fake claim N1 cop so the assumption is faulty until a flip.

[PenguinPower]

please someone for the love of god hammer

[PenguinPower]

fair enough

[PenguinPower]

So i take it you target Somnus Penguin? I assume i'm at least allowed to ask you that.

Yes - that was the optimal play.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Somnus

Please don’t do this as an IC.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Bella

Why?

[PenguinPower]

n_m isn't far behind

hi people

talk more

[PenguinPower]

We should vote Bella.

Or Norwee.

We should have done this Yesterday.

VOTE: Bella

Why?

[PenguinPower]

It's almost like I want to hear from BBT...almost.

[PenguinPower]

Bella I kinda TR, and this improves if BBT flips scum

Why do you townread Bella?

[PenguinPower]

That's terrible. Why norwee ?

Tbf I am slightly concerned by norwee today.

Talk to me about the shift. Purely activity based?

[PenguinPower]

Sure sure.

[PenguinPower]

what do you see that indicates that? I see an expressed focus on bbt for seemingly activity based reasons while leaving room to move anywhere the wind shifts.

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P-edit I've discussed why I was focused on bbt yesterday, yesterday. I also gave up the wagon, but their day start today was the same as yesterday and that's apparently fine?

I've not seen you like this full stop.
To half arse faking a guilty?

There isn't a why. He's really clearly demotivated scum.

Seems activity based to me...

[PenguinPower]

why do you say she's expressly focused on BBT?

Spoiler: Seems focused on bbt

Looking at the votes and positioning, I think the ones that ring alarm bells for me are pp, gamma and bbt, but I did have an early tr on gamma. I really liked nm posting on the last page.

VOTE: bbt I feel like I've been giving the benefit of the doubt but the last page or so feels like lining up mis-lims.

VOTE: penguin power the bbt thing isn't going to get resolved if they aren't here.

VOTE: bbt

We should've done this yesterday

Why fake claim a guilty once when you can do it twice??

There isn't a why. He's really clearly demotivated scum.

I've not seen you like this full stop.
To half arse faking a guilty?

Spoiler: while leaving room to move anywhere the wind shifts

Looking at the votes and positioning, I think the ones that ring alarm bells for me are pp, gamma and bbt, but I did have an early tr on gamma. I really liked nm posting on the last page.

@norwee, haven't looked at actual votes but the 'early' ones were nm, enchant and somnus, yeah? Out of those, somnus is most likely town.

Trying to get my head around maybe both wagons being on scum: it would explain why we couldn't get a pile on of votes later on the day.

? I've already strongly indicated I'd be fine voting penguin. I like my current vote better right now: do you think it's a bad one?

Plus you wanted to elim me, my top town read and gamma, who I was hard tr-ing at day start but not so much now. It rang alarm bells.

Real talk: i also thought you were trying to fake claim a guilty on me with your day start vote , which just felt really off: I was kinda waiting to see what you were gonna do with it, but then nothing happened.

Gammas votes today have been awful though

@pp, I have no reason to tr you in your posting and your position around yesterday's wagons looks scummy.

Also, you've ignored the bulk of my post to focus on me saying my read of norwee has evolved? I'm sure that's not the most interesting thing I said.

That's terrible. Why norwee ?

Tbf I am slightly concerned by norwee today.

Spoiler: also don't like actions around the jake wagon

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Switching my vote won't even end the day, will it? I'm around for a bit tonight.

@pp, @gamma, can you talk about moving your vote at the end of the day? I hadn't realised how shifting the wagons were.

Spoiler: or kopwagon tbh

[PenguinPower]

I think most people voting thought this was going to flip town!

If they don't respond to Thier imminent prod with some content, I'll hammer


Actually, I'll hammer even if I don't like the contents

ffs