Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hello, friends and former family of froggodoggo, I am the lord your Jake, here to save you from the wicked force known as "Something_Smart"-

Uhp, hold on a second, folks..

[Off-screen whispering]
uhuh..
uhuh, yeah..
yeah alright, I'll tell them.

Ahem

, I have been informed by my producers that Something_Smart is not the evil one here, but it is instead 3 Mafioso evildoers amongst your numbers. Fear not, for I shall expose them momentously!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hello. I hope you came to play.

I did not. I have to read 37+ pages chock full of meaningless talk just to reaffirm my previously held beliefs.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Anyway, time to see what is going on with this VC, and why it seems no one is voting anyone else.

[Jake The Wolfie]

UNVOTE:

Haven't read much past page 10, all I can conclude is that my slot had many opinions and not facts.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You read your own slot first?

Actually, I read Something_Smart's ISO first, then my slot.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you choose to read your own slot first?

Is the Amish tell still a thing?

I know my own role, but I do not know my slot, or what they have done prior to being replaced. I find the notion that I should be left in the dark about what the previous inhabitant has done to be rather silly.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you choose to read your own slot first?

Is the Amish tell still a thing?

I know my own role, but I do not know my slot, or what they have done prior to being replaced. I find the notion that I should be left in the dark about what the previous inhabitant has done to be rather silly.

You also don't know the roles or what any other slot has done in the game - I find the notion that you care about a slot you do know the role of more than those you don't to be rather silly.

Are you saying I should leave myself open to being contradicted and blindsided by the prior tenant's actions?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Misrep, something that I am famous for.

although tbh better that than "that one weirdo who really wants a title, any title"

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think the main reason why I wod ISO Froggo is to see if they claimed anything dumb that needs retracting and redacting. Another reason would be to see, with my own eyes, why froggo had 4ish votes accordion to the_worst's votecount.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think the main reason why I wod ISO Froggo is to see if they claimed anything dumb that needs retracting and redacting. Another reason would be to see, with my own eyes, why froggo had 4ish votes accordion to the_worst's votecount.

okay so scummy...and something that would be much better served iso'ing the slots that placed the votes.

got it.

I must admit it to everyone, that I have told a mistruth. I have not come to save your kind from the malevolent forces of the Mafia, but to instead destroy those whom appose our might. Fear not, your death will be swift and painless as I, lord of all that is evil and dark, shall slay this town like a pig.

[Jake The Wolfie]

2 things:

1) Wtf is an Amish tell?

2) I think Jake repped into a scum slot.

VOTE: Jake

~Nancy

An Amish tell is when one player defends another by attacking that player's attacker.

Would you like to share with the class as to why this is the case?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Based on PP's recent posting, I don't find it at all compelling for them to ask me for reads when they have failed to do the same.

Based on a further full ISO on PP's prolific posting (Which should be abbreviated as 4P, or Player 4 for short) they seem alright enough. I can throw them a townbin, I hope they can catch it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Can you explain that town read?

In vague and loose terms that only serve to unintentionally confuse you, yeah.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Player 4 contains feel-good things that indicate towniness.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah I suppose.

1.)It's a game with a lot of cops and doctors. Could be checking to see if there was a check his predecessor had made (if he had a night 1 role) rather than assuming people would have informed him of such a thing when he replaced in.

2.) Maybe he just has a weird style of approaching the game, particularly as a replace in?

3.) Wanted to first understand why his predecessor had votes on them before catching up?

I don't know. I'm not really interested in, nor have a reason in defending him. He just replaced in and assuming he's caught up tomorrow, I'd like to hear his reads.

Again, it's the fact that he felt the need to come in and immediately comment on froggo's play, it's a scum tell becuase scum's first thought is going to be how their slot is perceived, town is going to be concerned with finding scum :wink:

I thought scum's first thought is "I need to commit several murders, then evade my taxes."
Or "I need a sammich"

[Jake The Wolfie]

2 things:

1) Wtf is an Amish tell?

2) I think Jake repped into a scum slot.

VOTE: Jake

~Nancy

An Amish tell is when one player defends another by attacking that player's attacker.

No that's chainsawing :mad: But you knew that didn't you :wink:

whats a chainsaw

[Jake The Wolfie]

I’m sorry :( But I just can’t engage with someone who doesn’t play this game in good faith :cry: It just goes against my moral principles

I am a man of moral upstanding, one whom is devout and faithful to YHWH. Your hearsay shall ruin you, cursed be your family to the fourth and fifth generation, they shall live rich lives, but shall die before the Lord!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Have we had a recent vc? I'm down to elim Jake.

Not yet, although people are wanting to eliminate me for reasons they won't let me decipher.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You aren't telling me anything about the game state. Where's your head at, what are your takes?

I'm confused as to why players are voting my slot prior to my replacement. I see nothing inherently wrong with what they have proclaimed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

That's not an answer. What do you think about the game.

I'm about to vote you. Not 'your slot '.

I did give you an answer. I am confused, bamboozled, betwixed, comprehendn't of what is going on, and I've hit a brick wall when it comes to why others voted my slot.

I can't give you more metaphorical concrete until the others give me their reasoning behind it. I'm not being opaque, I'm being honest.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake The Wolfie (4)- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, BlueBloodedToffee

Excellent. A checklist for who's actually voting me.

Why, you lot, are you voting for me? Currently I remain unconvinced that you're voting me for any reason other than "You keep doing things that aren't normal" which, yeah, that's like my whole dealio. Even if it weren't, that doesn't mean that I'm scum, it just means that I'm not playing the same way you are.

[Jake The Wolfie]

While you're not busy not answering that, I'll continue reading.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I have just finished Page 6-

• The chatter on Enchan't role seemed to be useless, but apparently it showed that they actually were claiming to be a cop??
  
• jan soweli pi jan ike pi ala li nasa mute tan he do be doin a little trollin doe.
  
• That photo of Weetabix looked like someone poorly photoshopped something onto the "I can't believe it's not butter!" box.
  
• Not getting any hard reads yet, generally BBT, Ali, and Ausuka feel alright
  
• Not much scumminess in the early game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Current thoughts up to page 12

• Not_Mafia Doesn't feel malicious, but they are a force of pure chaos.
  
• froggo feels bad, i hope they get well soon
  
• This BBT vs Ausuka debate is interesting. Currently siding with the latter atm
  
• Not_Mafia is actually getting better. I still despise how they say things, but I do like the things they say.|
  
• Post 209 from BBT sounds terrible. I can't exactly explain it, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
  
• On the above debate, BBT feels like they're losing. I don't really like their posts. To give a general explanation, it feels overly aggressive with a lot of rhetorical questions added in to drive in points that aren't that well substantiated.
  
• Not_Mafia is surprisingly productive, I am impressed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Following the above, I am going to pop over to the local Food Lion and grab a snack or two

[Jake The Wolfie]

I have since move from Florida to the rest of the contiguous United State

[Jake The Wolfie]

ah
I might be moving to Texas in the semi-near future

sine wile e ni tan seme?!?!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why would you want to do that?!

[Jake The Wolfie]

The food lion is in sight! I humger

[Jake The Wolfie]

I hath returned with a snack! The snack being raw chicken noodle soup. yum yum

[Jake The Wolfie]

be great if jake stopped using a fake language to convey information

I could also use sitelen pona to be even more useless if you'd hate.

[Jake The Wolfie]

this is why you got miselimed in the holy grail game dude

I thought I got misaxed because I was not at all active in the game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Man, I don't even remember that game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

How about this game? Thoughts on this game?

Are you asking about what is going on right now? I haven't read up recent history, but I have posted my armchair analysis on the first few pages of the game.

[Jake The Wolfie]

ngl your armchair analysis sucks and looks agenda-driven

Could you elaborate on this point?

[Jake The Wolfie]

ngl your armchair analysis sucks and looks agenda-driven

Could you elaborate on this point?

your TRs thru page 6 are 2 dead town and a rando, and your opinion on BBT looks like setting up to push him once you're caght up

Fuck you're right, they are dead. mb, didn't notice that until now

Also, like, I am allowed to scumread people that I find scummy. That's like, how mafia works. Unless what you're really saying is that I have no reason to get bad vibes from them.

[Jake The Wolfie]

you said you read the mod ISO, I feel like that makes it a reasonable assumtion that you know the flips

If you were to take a bone saw and grind into my skull, you would see that it's all bone and no brain.
am goldfeesh

[Jake The Wolfie]

LOL.

Jake is scum.

I thought I already admitted to this. I'm not sure why you lot haven't already killed me yet.

[Jake The Wolfie]

IIOA #3, up to page 18

• :shifty:
  
• Gamma getting right down to Brass Tacks here with important analysis and questioning is a great sign, but it also feels a little surface deep right here. Our reporters will have to get back to this.
  
• I've missed Somnus since their disappearance in season 2. They feel a lot better in this season right now.
  
• I don't understand why Somnus is getting lightly scumread here, I guess I just don't see it or something. Maybe someone else can explain it to me.
  
• Norwee/the late Ausuka's interation felt like they were both townie there.
  
• 356 is strange to me. BBT, why did you choose to end your part of the conversation here?
  
• re:265 Of course! A day 1 elimination is commonplace and the fact that it did not occur is a travesty that shall echo for eons in this site.
  
• My brain is melty on page 16. Whaaaaa
  
• Aaaand the reports have gotten back, Gamma is not as good as first reported! Oh well, at least they are above the null line.
  
• :shifty: x2
  
• What the hell did page 18 devolve into? I completely lost track if it.
  
• Ali has been previewed for season 4! How joyous.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Season 4 of "Jake tries to not go insane by listening to Anarchy Rainbow while reading the equivalent of the tax code, starring Big Man", up to page 6x = 24

• BBT's pagetop here feels pretty bleh. Like, it's probably null, but it could have been more concise in what you wanted Ali to read and respond to. Bleehhhh
  
• I'm not entirely sold on this "Person is scum because their timing was bad." Like, I've played as scum before, and let me tell you, scum chat is dead silent for like 90% of the game. There's no grand sceming behind the scenes. It basically amounts to small talk back there. Also, as a scum player, you don't just pop in when the heat is on. It just appears like that whenever you call them scum and shortly thereafter they appear. It's confbias, and would not be pointed out if the called out scum were to show up like an hour later when the convo died down.
  
• Yes this deserves two bullet points, yes I am still ranting about this. It's bad play, and yet everyone seems to just take it for granted that if you call a scumboi scum, you can summon them like a demon. That's not how this works, what was more probable is that you and them share a timezone or general time to play the game, so it would be a no-brainer then that they would show up after you called them scum.
  
• Ugh, I do not feel any better after typing that out. But back to the main focus, I don't think it's particularly AI from anyone, particularly nancyslot or BBT, to make this observation.
  
• The thing I can blame nancyslot for is a general "Respond to this wagon that's on you!" Like, what exactly would you like a response on? Where could one find more information? Was there anything in particular that you wanted looked at? Have some scumpoints.
  
• re:464 I don't find this scummy. Clearly, there is something that the people around her are wanting from her, so surely it would make sense for her to then ask those people what they were looking for, yeah? It's not really scummy to ask "Hey y'all, you're voting me. Could you pointers me to what you wanted from me, my dudes?"
  
• I disagree with nancy in 474 for similar reasons as above.
  
• Whew, Page 19 is done, man. Only 5 more of hopefully not the same.
  
• 479 feels bad, it assumes that Ali must know what has already happened in the game, and doesn't give any credit to other possibilities. There's no reason to believe that Ali knows anything between her leavance and her pop in, so to conjecture that she does is unfounded.
  
• Oooh, and there goes Ali! Not much interesting happened between then and now, nothing that caught my eyes, anyway.
  
• re:576 If you have a problem with it, then interrogate Gamma as to why they think a post has bad vibes, or what that means to them.
  
• Adante doesn't feel that good to me. I'm not sure if it's because they're scum, or because they just have pride.

God, that was.
Time for a seasonal readlist, and it only comes up once every season!

Jake The Wolfie

Not_Mafia
Gamma Emerald
Somnus
NorwegianboyEE
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PenguinPower
Enchant
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

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BlueBloodedToffee
Nancy Drew and Friends

Scummy

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, would love some expansion on those Penguin and Bella reads.

Sure, what did you have in mind?

[Jake The Wolfie]

They haven't had a strong enough impact on my radar in the first half of the game, I don't really feel strongly about them either way.

Sorry if I seem a little thin here, I don't really have a good answer for why I nullread someone other than "They haven't done anything noteworthy"

[Jake The Wolfie]

24 hours passed!

Did you miss me? Of course you do!

Also why Goldfish is gray in this readlist, but not Somnus?

As far as I'm aware, Goldfish hasn't even posted yet. I would find it extremely difficult to read someone who has failed to speak a single word.
With the above in mind, they make for an excellent nullpoint, and are thus painted in grey

Do you find that scummy?

For clarity, do you think scum try not to make waves and draw too much attention?

Not especially. I'm no expert, but I think that scum have a wide variety of plays that they can and do make. If they were to be put onto a wagon and forced onto my radar (or if they were in a past that I haven't reached yet) then we could evaluate them better. Right now I'm unconvinced either way.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Bella was first to vote Ali after noting scum reads from myself and Ausuka.

What do you think about that?

What do you think about Penguin's lack of scum reads?

Checking in on the first, it didn't really seem like they were saying that, unless you weren't referring to 205. In case you were, it seemed more like they were dissatisfied with Ali's interaction with Ausuka and you.

Penguin seemed to imply in 1081 that they wouldn't just give their reads away for free. I don't know why they would do that, and I would like an explanation for it.
My thoughts on it are that they probably do have those reads, but just aren't sharing them. Also, they may just be bluffing here and they just don't have many reads, which would be scummy. Overall I think that until they explain what's going on over there, they can be knock down a few points.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If we can't get your reads, could we at least get a reason for why?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If we can't get your reads, could we at least get a reason for why?

You have my reads though.

I'm not sure where I would have found them. Could you give me a few pointers?

[Jake The Wolfie]

LOL.

Jake is scum.

I thought I already admitted to this. I'm not sure why you lot haven't already killed me yet.

So, I’m confused now, was this a troll?

It was. Now is not the time to claim scum and die, now is the time to not claim scum and not die.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Season 5: Da finale

• I thought that Not_Mafia might have been genuinely in the dark about what day it was, until I realized hey wait a minute there are like a million clues as to what day it was, so yeah. I think the fact that their trolling could have also been an intentional attempt to dumbtell makes them feel more iffy to me.
  
• re:651 This is just something that can happen when you run up players whom feel like they're being unfairly called caught scum, and then seemingly not offered any recourse. I should know, I've literally done this before. It's heavily emotional and it feels awful. I don't want to speak on behalf of Ali, but were I forced to take a guess, this is the guess that I would take.
  
• I get what Nancy is saying here, but I also know that Andante gunned hard for that wagon with seemingly unshakable conviction. Give people a little slack for thinking that your other head was acting sussy because of their actions.
  
• Goldfish coming in hot with a check on Somnus. The first time they posted, which is a little understandable given that the previous day lasted around 24 hours.
  
• @Pengy
  you say that Nancy and Friend is town, but could you elaborate on this point, given that their other head was a primary cause for Ali getting axed?
  
• Somnus' posts feel better here. I like them.
  
• Goldfish feels a little good, but still a middling grey.
  
• I agree with my former slot in 698, Andante had seemingly unshakable conviction that Ali was scum, and was the primary cause of her death. I've already covered this beforehand, and Andante hasn't really resolved this for me. Honestly, I'm not sure if they could. If I were playing since the start of this day, I'd probably want to see Andante run up and explain why they were mistaken. Alas, I replaced in on page 37.
  
• Ahh, post 700. Yikes. Let's move on from this.
  
• Froggo's prolific ranting is understandable, but my god it's also annoying.
  
• [Editor's Note: There was previously a bullet point here listing "Great Frustration" that has since been editied out. Jake The Wolfie has also developed a little scab on his forehead, unrelated to this incident.]
  
• More witless banter, this time between Gamma and Enchant. Fun!
  
• I find the witless banter between Nancy or Friend and froggo to be fruit and pointless. Why did I have to read this?
  
• Honestly, you guys, you're making Not_mafia's posting seem like fun.
  
• Wait, didn't Pengy already make a 797 post previously? Hang on..
  
• Nope, I misremembered it. It was not them who said it. Carry on.
  
• Now 807 seems a little appealing now. I won't advocate for the senseless murdering of them, it's far too late and the replacement will be here any moment, but would I have been here sooner I would be willing to push for a wagon on them.
  
• Nancy is faintly healing my trust in their hydra, but I would still like to see more from them.
  
• I like Norwee's postings around the end of page 33.
  
• I wish to surgically extract answers from Enchant's mind for all of the votes they just throw around like confetti.
  
• 866 and posts like it feel like a trap. It feels like, regardless of alignment, whenever this question is posed to me the answer I provide is almost always incriminating, like it suddenly makes me hyper self aware, which I especially hate as town. Like, it makes me feel guilty that I'm even thinking about my own play and how I can appear more towny. I basically get an existential crisis whenever I have to seriously answer this question, because this question inherently runs two conflicting ideas against one another, that being "Town players should never and don't ever think about how they can appear more town-like" and "Please tell me, in explicit detail, why your actions should make you appear town-like." I hate this question, and I almost always will.
  Not that this is actually relevant to what was actually said or anything, sorry if you were expecting something other than emotional turmoil here.
  
• Norwee's balls in 876 are so large that they've been stuck in one place for several days now oh god someone help them they might starve
  
• Enchant's 877, in turn, provides free mobility and their health and wellbeing are not in question at all. Also, like it's not helpful at all. It feels like Enchant's reply was basically "Just pull urself up by ur bootstraps, mate."
  
• The spice between Norwee and Enchant is high, and Norwee came out winning. It feels like Enchant was arguing in bad (or possibly no) faith here.
  
• Ahh, we've arrived to my home page, the page where I first landed here and was promptly rejected by you lot. Good memories.

Here is a new, revised readlist based upon reading over 1/2 of the game thus far.

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Somnus
Not_Mafia
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Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

BlueBloodedToffee
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Enchant
PenguinPower

Nancy Drew and Friends

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Enchant

Hello, Enchant! Welcome to Mafia, would you like to come play instead of acting rather foolish? You don't seem to be quite a talker, so I am taking this opportunity to light your feet on fire.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Enchant is right here with (at least) 3 votes including mine, wheras other candidates do not have much momentum. Also, Enchant is flailing about and I want to know why.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Most of their posts are needless and witless rabble, seemingly only for the hell of it. Just skim over their ISO and you'll see what I mean.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The above is precisely what I'm talking about. This doesn't serve the gamestate, it just serves to anger and rile up the town, which is not very townlike behaviour.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I will engage with you if you have shown yourself to be more than a charlatan peddling wind. In the meantime, bugger off.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm flattered you think I'm obsessed with you.

Thanks for proving my point about you being no loss to town though, I guess.

This baggage you're carrying from our last game isn't doing you any good. There's a reason half the playerlist doesn't bother to engage with you. You approach every conversation like a screaming toddler. This is about the extent of time I care to waste on you today. Enjoy your day.

Do they though? I don't see it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Most of their posts are needless and witless rabble, seemingly only for the hell of it. Just skim over their ISO and you'll see what I mean.

This is a “big if true” comment because I think this description resembles Enchant’s scumgame

I feel like it's true, however I am not familiar with their scumgame, as you yourself imply that you are. Mayhaps you could see for yourself if their play matches with their scumplay.

[Jake The Wolfie]

On the whole I'm feeling better about Nancy and Friends. I'll still advocate for pushing Enchant up, though.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I also feel great about Not_Mafia, and I really hope they are town because I want to see more of this kind of play in the future


If God hasn't abandoned us, Not_Mafia will have randed town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You know about bait and switch?

Of course! They're my favorite comedy duo!

[Jake The Wolfie]

@nm, some reads please?

Would you mind, NM?

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Reported due to lack of emotes. Yer gonna get banned, m8

[Jake The Wolfie]

Another day, another luster that Goldslot lacks. How long should we wait for them to be replaced before starting a wagon?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Replacing GoldfishFromTheMoon.

Is this still happening?

I'd assume so, though no one has replaced them yet ig

[Jake The Wolfie]

I will listen to cow for now.

VOTE: Jake

E-2

Why not Enchant?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Strictly hypothetical question, Jake, since I'm not jumping to any conclusions pre-flip like we already saw Day 1:

If you had replaced into a slot that was widely scum-read or at the very least, wasn't being town-read by most of the playerlist, how would you play it? Would you try-hard it out and try and save the slot or just kinda go along with it and have fun until you're seemingly inevitably eliminated?

Most likely I would not replace into such a slot in the first place, but were I forced to I would probably just ride it out. I'm not well known for getting myself out of getting scumread, regardless of alignment.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The chatter on Enchan't role seemed to be useless, but apparently it showed that they actually were claiming to be a cop??

2. I fakeclaimed. You all probably *GASP* now.

I'll count that as calling it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

As the old saying goes Cases are scummy Read my ISO, the read progression is there

That doesn't really help though. It's like answering "Yeah" and then not elaborating further

[Jake The Wolfie]

The chatter on Enchan't role seemed to be useless, but apparently it showed that they actually were claiming to be a cop??

2. I fakeclaimed. You all probably *GASP* now.

I'll count that as calling it.

Unfortunately that’s not ai for him. His play here is definitely antitown but he does this shit as either alignment.

Do you think that Enchant would be a good axe today?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Strictly hypothetical question, Jake, since I'm not jumping to any conclusions pre-flip like we already saw Day 1:

If you had replaced into a slot that was widely scum-read or at the very least, wasn't being town-read by most of the playerlist, how would you play it? Would you try-hard it out and try and save the slot or just kinda go along with it and have fun until you're seemingly inevitably eliminated?

Most likely I would not replace into such a slot in the first place, but were I forced to I would probably just ride it out. I'm not well known for getting myself out of getting scumread, regardless of alignment.

Alright. I mean, from my POV, you did replace into a scum-read slot (not necessarily a mafia slot, but a scum-read slot). I've never replaced into or out of a game, and I'd prefer not to. So I don't have experience as far as what I would do in that scenario.

But I get the impression that a lot of people who replace into slots and get a red role PM in a slot that feels...I don't want to say doomed, because Froggo was hardly doomed, but a slot that was very unlikely to reach endgame, just kinda go with it and accept that they're going down and just try and have fun with it and don't take the outcome particularly seriously.

Given this, does my play reflect this attitude?

[Jake The Wolfie]

[Snip]

Given this, does my play reflect this attitude?

Yes.

Could you demonstrate this?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gonna keep voting Enchant because this is unacceptable and i don’t see them changing.

You know that mafia is not about killing people on which you are pissed, but about killing mafia, right?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89796&user_select%5B%5D=36682

I don’t know how relevant this is, since this is literally the only past game of Frog’s I could find but what strikes me as significant is that Andante was also in that game, so Frog should probably know that this is town!Andante here?

In that game she actually got lucky and got scum!T3 elimmed.

~N

Do you believe that Froggo would have been able to correctly read Andante based mainly on this one game?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gonna keep voting Enchant because this is unacceptable and i don’t see them changing.

You know that mafia is not about killing people on which you are pissed, but about killing mafia, right?

Porque no los dos :?: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Btw idk how to defend self against ENCHANT SCUM because it's kinda shit you can always throw.

You haven’t done anything to try to convince me you might be town mate.

If i knew how to appear always town, i would't play mafia. I would apply for being president IRL

You don't need to always appear town, you just need to play the game and try contributing to solving the game. In that rrgard, what have you done to accomplish this?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Explained why killing Goldfish is bad idea, therefore cutting POE to 8 people.

You?

Where did you explain this?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am not hired as your personal explainer, it's you claiming i do nothing. Go prove i didn't do so.

INNOCENT BEFORE PROVEN OTHERWISE. GOD BLESS LAW.

I'm not claiming you didn't do anything, I'm asking where you've done the things that you claimed to do.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Explained why killing Goldfish is bad idea, therefore cutting POE to 8 people.

You?

Where did you explain this?

@Enchant I still would like this answered.

[Jake The Wolfie]

One final statement to provoke thought from you, Enchant:

The reason why no one seems to trust you is because of the way you refuse to cooperate. Seemingly whenever anyone disagrees with you or doesn't go your way it almost always ends with you refusing to cooperate with them in almost any capacity. Not always, but most of the time communication with you breaks down into witless rabble.

I don't know if that is AI or not, but I do know that it is not pro-town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Explained why killing Goldfish is bad idea, therefore cutting POE to 8 people.

You?

Where did you explain this?

@Enchant I still would like this answered.

Oh goddamn just open my iso.

I have, but I could not find anything that explained it. Could you either show me where it is?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Aw shit. Here we go again.


Look, likelyhood of Somnus being town is already high.
No one scumread Goldfish for real, and only idea is "Let's kill Goldfish because null, if we are wrong, we get conftown anyway and can protect him!". Conftowning person who is already town is kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda dumb, especially because with idea "Why not, we can protect him!".


It's just not worth it mechanically, unless there's like 80%+ chance of goldfish being mafia, and i am pretty confident that Goldfish is Town than not, but that's me (i can't provide reasonable explainings).
Even if Goldfish is mafia (which can be possible, like anything possible), it may be even benefiting to ignore him for a moment, where we are unsure. I strongly believe that he turns obvious lategame, and this way Somnus will be alive as well, which easies game a bit.


In unpredicted case, where Somnus and Goldfish both mafs (Which i am 99% sure NOT a case, but still), i still belive it's worth to watch them, not risk likelytowns just for sake of risk.

There we go, now it's in your ISO.

Although, I don't think that most people were seriously pushing for Goldfish to be axed anyway, because they are currently absent. This was a rather easy thing to argue for is what I'm saying.

What else is on your resumè?

[Jake The Wolfie]

We are currently playing Questions and Answers, wherin I ask you a series of related questions, to not lose the focus, and you provide satisfactory answers. Once I'm satisfied, it can be your turn.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you would like to play footsies, play it with someone else. If you want your questions answered, please answer mine first.

What else have you done to contribute?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you would like to play footsies, play it with someone else. If you want your questions answered, please answer mine first.

What else have you done to contribute?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Good, I'm satisfied, now it's your turn to ask questions if you so desire.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What your scumread on me even based off

Whenever you get into a debate with someone, unless consious effort is spent to specifically avoid it, it will almost always devolve into witless banter. Add to this the above admission that the only thing that you have done to contribite is to tell us that Goldfish should not be killed, which most players here were already in agreement with.

In total, I scumread you because, despite having more oppertunities to produce something more useful than the bloody obvious, you have so far failed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.

Maybe.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:

I don’t want to lim Enchant anymore. Auro’s reasoning has more do to with another player he’s not tr than his read on Enchant and I pointed out to him, that’s not a very good reason to sr Enchant.

I'm a bit lost, could you explain this for me?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Huh, I wonder who they think might be bussing Enchant here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:

Disagree that both can't be town but agree that Jake seems more likely to be scum.

If Frog's attack on the hydra at start of D2 was from scum, I'm impressed.

VOTE: Jake

E-1 I think?

Do you think that it is likely that both of us are town?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Is there any harm in waiting for goldfish replacement before we decide anything? If we have time to do that, I say we don’t rush this.

I’d like this.
What’s taking so much time for that replacement anyway?

Could be that no one's interested right now. You can check the replacements thread and see that the mod posted it, so there's that.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

How did you go from this to back to voting Jake?

Yeah, how did you go from this to putting one of us at E-1?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yes? :D

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yes? :D

You ruined it :o :twisted: :P :lol:

:3

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am King Midas, every emote I touch turns to text.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Since I'm up on the spotlight, here's my current readlist:

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

[Jake The Wolfie]

Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.

bbt said both were highly likely to be town tbf

And rather than even suggesting an alternative, they voted one of us.

[Jake The Wolfie]

starting a new wagon now is not something i would attempt to do as scum, but i don't really care to defend bbt either

If that's not something that scum would do, then wouldn't bbt look a little fishy here?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Since I'm up on the spotlight, here's my current readlist:

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

You forgot us.

Also why is goldfish grey?

~Nancy

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant
Nancy and Friend

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

Goldfish is grey for the same reason Enchant is Red and I am green, it's just a good place to plop a "true neutral" point, mainly because there's far too little they've done so far to be considered either town or scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So you really think Penguin and BBT are my teammates bussing me?

... Good luck with that.

I did not construct my list taking this into account, I constructed it through what I have seen in the game.

also bbt is voting me

[Jake The Wolfie]

I didn't take teambuilding into account in that readlist.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Even so, those players are suspicious and more likely to be Mafia.

[Jake The Wolfie]

How

In short-

You have been mostly wind and not much productivity.

BBT has been generally inconsistent, with the most recent example being voting someone they consider to be town.

PP is just generally absent and unengaged in the game, mostly pinging off of others rather than coming up with their own ideas. To their credit, they have done things which should be merited.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Idk, ppl change their mind, i hammered my townreads so many times in moment of doubt, i can addure

Do you believe that BBT did any of these things prior to their vote on me?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think he (and others) probably caught in trap where possible elims are you or me.

We should yolowagon someone else as well. Why not.

If this were the case, then why would they not have tried to suggest an alternative first or even during their vote?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Goldfish claimed an inno on Somnus.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

Don’t want to push a wagon too close to elim before Kop gives some content

Were this not a problem, would you be voting?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma is

conftown

confscum, because does nothing, but fuels wagon on me.

I'll grant this, Gamma hasn't really done much in terms of justification for their stances.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

I’m hoping. Well, if they’re really townie, it would confirm for me that Enchant is probably town because they usually don’t defend town as scum. A lot of players have expressed opinions on that slot and since Goldfish really didn’t do pretty much anything AI, that might possibly be informative, no?

Could a scum Enchant be defending a town Goldfish because it would be an easy person to defend?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don’t think you’re scum here, you’re just doing way too many things I see as pretty much being absent from your scumgame.

This is a funny phrasing of this, you sure this is what you meant?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Alright, I misinterpreted it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

How did you go from this to back to voting Jake?

Yeah, how did you go from this to putting one of us at E-1?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.

bbt said both were highly likely to be town tbf

And rather than even suggesting an alternative, they voted one of us.

Do you really think an alternative wagon is viable at this point :?: :cop:

It's always possible that we CFD from the current options to an entirely unexpected person, but more importantly the wagon they suggested didn't need to be viable at that time, they just needed to suggest it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Kop seems fairly decent, but still null in my mind, hasn't done anything noteworthy yet.

[Jake The Wolfie]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Since I'm up on the spotlight, here's my current readlist:

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

You forgot us.

Also why is goldfish grey?

~Nancy

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant
Nancy and Friend

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

Goldfish is grey for the same reason Enchant is Red and I am green, it's just a good place to plop a "true neutral" point, mainly because there's far too little they've done so far to be considered either town or scum.

I deffer back to this readlist should anyone be interested.

The night my role becomes active was Night 3.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I won't miss you.

What, are you the one executing me with a bullet through my skull?

[Jake The Wolfie]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

Like what were you thinking Jake? Claim your role and people would have unvoted. God.

Would they have, though? Or would the players who thought I was scum still wagon me to be axed because, you know, they think I'm scum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like, take BBT for instance. Do you think that they would have unvoted after learning that my activation night is tonight, kr would they still say that I shpd be axed anyway because I'm more likely to be scum, and this would merely be an evasion tactic?

It would have sounded desperate, it would have made me look more like scum, and it would have done the opposite of what you would have wanted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Like, take BBT for instance. Do you think that they would have unvoted after learning that my activation night is tonight, kr would they still say that I shpd be axed anyway because I'm more likely to be scum, and this would merely be an evasion tactic?

It would have sounded desperate, it would have made me look more like scum, and it would have done the opposite of what you would have wanted.

No, how do you figure that? At the very worst. it would be viewed as nia.

Do you think that someone who already thought I had a higher likelyhood of being scum would stop voting me because I did something that scum could, and reasonably would, do?

[Jake The Wolfie]

This Not_Mafia is paletable for most audiences.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Looking fwd to reading the scum pt.

There's barely any planning in there, as is usual for Mafia