Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Don Draper x Mistress (Nancy Drew 39 & Auro) replaces Fun Times.

Replacing GoldfishFromTheMoon.

Thanks so much SS for doing this so promptly.

~ Nancy for now until Auro gets a chance to catch up.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

VC 2.5

Jake The Wolfie (4)- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, BlueBloodedToffee
GoldfishFromTheMoon (1)- NorwegianboyEE

Not voting (6)- GoldfishFromTheMoon, Gamma Emerald, Enchant, Jake The Wolfie, Somnus, Bellaphant

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: Andante is dropping from Fun Times; Nancy may continue on her main for now.

@mod, why hasn’t goldfish being prodded or replaced yet? It’s been almost 3 1/2 days now since they last posted?

Goldfish was prodded in the last VC. She has about an hour before I will start looking for a replacement.

So as you all know from reading this, I will be posting on my main account rn. I really need to be playing this game in a hydra since I will be away for week + without internet access at some point, don’t know for sure when though. I will be switching to my new hydra account just as soon as SS gives me the green light.

@Mod please change our vote to our hydra name, thanks.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Current thoughts up to page 12

• Not_Mafia Doesn't feel malicious, but they are a force of pure chaos.
  
• froggo feels bad, i hope they get well soon
  
• This BBT vs Ausuka debate is interesting. Currently siding with the latter atm
  
• Not_Mafia is actually getting better. I still despise how they say things, but I do like the things they say.|
  
• Post 209 from BBT sounds terrible. I can't exactly explain it, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
  
• On the above debate, BBT feels like they're losing. I don't really like their posts. To give a general explanation, it feels overly aggressive with a lot of rhetorical questions added in to drive in points that aren't that well substantiated.
  
• Not_Mafia is surprisingly productive, I am impressed.

Don’t really hate this post. Of course I may be biased since I absolutely hated BBT’s shitpush on me.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, hope andante is ok

@jakie, if you could clarify your bbt thoughts a bit more that'd be ace

<3

[Don Draper x Mistress]

The amount of contradictions coming out from Jake's mouth is funny...

LOL.

Jake is scum.

I thought I already admitted to this. I'm not sure why you lot haven't already killed me yet.

Lololol, I knew it. I first told Andante, good luck parsing Jake because he’s unreadable, then it only took a few posts for me to tell her, I’m pretty sure he’s scum.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

LOL.

Jake is scum.

I thought I already admitted to this. I'm not sure why you lot haven't already killed me yet.

So, I’m confused now, was this a troll?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I think he always does this scumclaim thing?

So what do you think Gamma, you think I’m wrong on Jake?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I am Vigilante.

I’m the re-incarnation of Joan of Arc.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Season 5: Da finale

• I thought that Not_Mafia might have been genuinely in the dark about what day it was, until I realized hey wait a minute there are like a million clues as to what day it was, so yeah. I think the fact that their trolling could have also been an intentional attempt to dumbtell makes them feel more iffy to me.
  
• re:651 This is just something that can happen when you run up players whom feel like they're being unfairly called caught scum, and then seemingly not offered any recourse. I should know, I've literally done this before. It's heavily emotional and it feels awful. I don't want to speak on behalf of Ali, but were I forced to take a guess, this is the guess that I would take.
  
• I get what Nancy is saying here, but I also know that Andante gunned hard for that wagon with seemingly unshakable conviction. Give people a little slack for thinking that your other head was acting sussy because of their actions.
  
• Goldfish coming in hot with a check on Somnus. The first time they posted, which is a little understandable given that the previous day lasted around 24 hours.
  
• @Pengy
  you say that Nancy and Friend is town, but could you elaborate on this point, given that their other head was a primary cause for Ali getting axed?
  
• Somnus' posts feel better here. I like them.
  
• Goldfish feels a little good, but still a middling grey.
  
• I agree with my former slot in 698, Andante had seemingly unshakable conviction that Ali was scum, and was the primary cause of her death. I've already covered this beforehand, and Andante hasn't really resolved this for me. Honestly, I'm not sure if they could. If I were playing since the start of this day, I'd probably want to see Andante run up and explain why they were mistaken. Alas, I replaced in on page 37.
  
• Ahh, post 700. Yikes. Let's move on from this.
  
• Froggo's prolific ranting is understandable, but my god it's also annoying.
  
• [Editor's Note: There was previously a bullet point here listing "Great Frustration" that has since been editied out. Jake The Wolfie has also developed a little scab on his forehead, unrelated to this incident.]
  
• More witless banter, this time between Gamma and Enchant. Fun!
  
• I find the witless banter between Nancy or Friend and froggo to be fruit and pointless. Why did I have to read this?
  
• Honestly, you guys, you're making Not_mafia's posting seem like fun.
  
• Wait, didn't Pengy already make a 797 post previously? Hang on..
  
• Nope, I misremembered it. It was not them who said it. Carry on.
  
• Now 807 seems a little appealing now. I won't advocate for the senseless murdering of them, it's far too late and the replacement will be here any moment, but would I have been here sooner I would be willing to push for a wagon on them.
  
• Nancy is faintly healing my trust in their hydra, but I would still like to see more from them.
  
• I like Norwee's postings around the end of page 33.
  
• I wish to surgically extract answers from Enchant's mind for all of the votes they just throw around like confetti.
  
• 866 and posts like it feel like a trap. It feels like, regardless of alignment, whenever this question is posed to me the answer I provide is almost always incriminating, like it suddenly makes me hyper self aware, which I especially hate as town. Like, it makes me feel guilty that I'm even thinking about my own play and how I can appear more towny. I basically get an existential crisis whenever I have to seriously answer this question, because this question inherently runs two conflicting ideas against one another, that being "Town players should never and don't ever think about how they can appear more town-like" and "Please tell me, in explicit detail, why your actions should make you appear town-like." I hate this question, and I almost always will.
  Not that this is actually relevant to what was actually said or anything, sorry if you were expecting something other than emotional turmoil here.
  
• Norwee's balls in 876 are so large that they've been stuck in one place for several days now oh god someone help them they might starve
  
• Enchant's 877, in turn, provides free mobility and their health and wellbeing are not in question at all. Also, like it's not helpful at all. It feels like Enchant's reply was basically "Just pull urself up by ur bootstraps, mate."
  
• The spice between Norwee and Enchant is high, and Norwee came out winning. It feels like Enchant was arguing in bad (or possibly no) faith here.
  
• Ahh, we've arrived to my home page, the page where I first landed here and was promptly rejected by you lot. Good memories.

Here is a new, revised readlist based upon reading over 1/2 of the game thus far.

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Somnus
Not_Mafia
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

BlueBloodedToffee
---
Enchant
PenguinPower

Nancy Drew and Friends

I’m town and I will prove that.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

Who the fuck are you and how you even get this idea.

VOTE: Don Draper

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

Goldfish claimed inno on Somnus. Duh!

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town

@Enchant

Let me know when you plan to actually read the fucking game.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Most of their posts are needless and witless rabble, seemingly only for the hell of it. Just skim over their ISO and you'll see what I mean.

Pretty bold for someone having NM in townreads.

NM is actually doing something. I really don’t see the comparison?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

There's another reason why I'm particularly salty about how things have turned out for me here. Allow this epic trilogy to explain.

Spoiler:

Lol, great art work.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

We are all crazy people

No wonder this game is hard to solve, there’s nobody normal!

[Don Draper x Mistress]

How is Auro’s catch-up going?

I have heard anything from him yet.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

NM is actually doing something. I really don’t see the comparison?

I genuinely wish NM would play every game like this.

+1

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Most of their posts are needless and witless rabble, seemingly only for the hell of it. Just skim over their ISO and you'll see what I mean.

This is a “big if true” comment because I think this description resembles Enchant’s scumgame

Do you think he’s scum here Gamma? I know that he’s one of the slots that you’re pretty decent at reading.

Anyway

UNVOTE:

I don’t think Jake is scum anymore.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Ask for a status update pls

Is that to me? What’s a status update?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Hey Jake, why Enchant and why not BB or the hydra?

I think gamma wants you to check in with auro

Well, I can’t until I see him online.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I’m here now and will likely be the more active slot anyway but as soon as I talk to him, one of us will let you know. He told me he would try to catchup on his moring but so far I haven’t seen him on discord yet.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town

@Enchant

Let me know when you plan to actually read the fucking game.

You should had said it to mirror, because it's you not reading.

Spoiler:

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

Who the fuck are you and how you even get this idea.

VOTE: Don Draper

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

Goldfish claimed inno on Somnus. Duh!

I'm a night 1 cop, Somnus is town

@Enchant

Let me know when you plan to actually read the fucking game.

You’re saying both you believe goldfish’s cop claim yet you’re questioning their inno on Somnus? So you’re the one who’s not reading and I’m thinking you might be doing this deliberately like you did in PYP. It’s pretty clear why I asked you this question and you voted for me, why?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Most of their posts are needless and witless rabble, seemingly only for the hell of it. Just skim over their ISO and you'll see what I mean.

This is a “big if true” comment because I think this description resembles Enchant’s scumgame

Do you think he’s scum here Gamma? I know that he’s one of the slots that you’re pretty decent at reading.

Anyway

UNVOTE:

I don’t think Jake is scum anymore.

I’m less dubious on Jake but I’m still dubious.

Ask for a status update pls

Is that to me? What’s a status update?

Yeah. Basically just ask what page he’s on.

I sent him a message letting him know you’re asking about his catchup but I still haven’t seen him on discord since yesterday.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Do you consider Somnus town?

You believe goldfish is cop but not their result?

~N

Wut

I explained all this. Goldfish claimed cop inno on Somnus, so if he believes goldfish is a cop then why is he questioning Somnus’ alignment?

I don’t understand how anyone else isn’t getting this?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Because you fail at getting basic contexts, and it's obvious you just trying to shade me.

If you really don't understanu: Fact that i asked about Somnus townread, doesh't implue fucking anything i think, and should't be. It's simple question "If you townread Somnus already, then killing Cop just for conftown doesh't make sense".

So i never questioned inno on Somnus. You putting words in my... Fingers. Yeah. Fingers. With them i write.

No I wasn’t. I didn’t understand how you could be questioning the inno and also be believing goldfish cop check, because she claimed an inno on Somnus.

That’s not shade, that’s English.

Well, I have said that I didn’t agree with Andante on that and I want to wait and see what replacement says. If you faiil to communicate clearly and people don’t understand wtf you mean. it doesn’t make them scum. I am aslo dyslexic so your ineffective communication isn’t helping with that. :/

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Do you consider Somnus town?

You’re right you were asking BBT that question, sorry I misunderstood then.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Hi!

Read the VoteCounts. N_M locktown, Bellaphant suspect.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

(Order unrelated to strength of read)

Bellaphant scum.
Gamma town. Enchant scum.
Willing to believe Goldfish's claim. Goldfish town, Somnus town.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

(Yet to discuss with Nancy. Have read very little of the game.)

Bellaphant - didn't like the fast D2 vote
Gamma - Tone of posts, and the way he appears to be working with Nancy.
Enchant - Gamma's assertion that Jake's description of Enchant's play this game resembles his scumgame.
Goldfish - I like the timing of the claim. And ergo Somnus town.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Oops, my bad. Lazy reading of the Votecount on my part.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Btw I favor the Enchant wagon after looking at Enchant’s ISO

I was just literally writing up a post saying that I would sheep you on your Enchant read since you have a pretty decent bop on him.

VOTE: Enchant

~Nancy

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Silently putting me on E-1 with NM in game.

Lim Don Draper next.

UNVOTE:

I thought you were at E-3.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Silently putting me on E-1 with NM in game.

Lim Don Draper next.

And this shit isn’t really helping me to tr you. My vote is still spiritually on you.

I find it ludicrously ironic that you of all people are suddenly so concerned about hammers.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Mafia: Jake, Don Draper, Gamma.

Jake overall, Don Draper doesh't care, Gamma correctly read me always, but now probably have incentive to kill me.

Make some halfway decent reads or get rekt.

I’m obviously referring to us and Gamma. You were voting both us and Norwee, still have no idea why.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Oh no

Mafia does'ht townread me

I’m not. Give me at least one convincing reason you’re town here and I’ll rethink it.

Omgussing me won’t cut it.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Oh no

Mafia does'ht townread me

Posts like this remind me of scum!you. Scum!you is reactionary and over aggressive, like you are here. If you weren’t literally at e -1, no way in hell would I have unvoted.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

No point in talking with you, if you can't 3+2 and also lie about words.

You voted me twice for bad reasons, first time you didn’t even give a single reason. You made a readslist that was a joke of a readslist.

And all of your responses to me other than that have been omgus. If you were town, you’d be trying to convince me that my vote on you is wrong but all you continue to do in response is throw shade.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Unvote makes it just worse, it's like you are scared.

I thought you at e-3 but feel free to twist that some more.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I don't need to convince YOU.

Wrong answer bucko.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Is that still Nancy?

Yes why?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

VC 2.6

Enchant (3)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie
Jake The Wolfie (2)- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower
Bellaphant (1)- BlueBloodedToffee
Don Draper x Mistress (1)- Enchant

Not voting (4)- GoldfishFromTheMoon, Gamma Emerald, Somnus, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I'm tired and I need to go shopping tonight

Yeah, he has 3 votes, so I’d be putting him at e -2 then, right?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?

I haven’t had a chance to discuss it with Auro yet. All I asked him was if he thought I should vote Enchant since he sr him. I really don’t have a confident read on you yet so I’m looking at Enchant/Jake but Jake’s posting isn’t bad and I have no idea what Enchant is doing but Gamma’s extremely good at reading Enchant, so when he said he sr him I voted not thinking it was e-1 and I still don’t understand how that’s even the case because according to the VC, I would have been the 4th vote on him?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

VOTE: Enchant

Oh I thought he was still on you.

@Bella

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Because it's unlikely i live long anyway, i hardclaim N5 Cop.

You can CC my claim.

Somnus, imagine there was an actual N5 Cop, how do you suspect that goes?

Then this Cop is dumbass who don't know that you can roll same night as others.

Not my guilt then.

@Enchant can you please explain these posts?

Especially the one about asking to be CC’d?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Either way, i go to sleep before i go:

1. I already told who mafia. 99% it's wrong, but fuck it.
2. I fakeclaimed. You all probably *GASP* now.
3. NM prepared ultratroll, and now just baits you. Noobs.

I’m open to voting Jake. Enchant saying the “99% it’s wrong”, looks uninformed. I don’t really think he’d say that if scum.

Scum!him would probably say 100% to kill me here because that’s what he did in Chromavalon.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Strictly hypothetical question, Jake, since I'm not jumping to any conclusions pre-flip like we already saw Day 1:

If you had replaced into a slot that was widely scum-read or at the very least, wasn't being town-read by most of the playerlist, how would you play it? Would you try-hard it out and try and save the slot or just kinda go along with it and have fun until you're seemingly inevitably eliminated?

Most likely I would not replace into such a slot in the first place, but were I forced to I would probably just ride it out. I'm not well known for getting myself out of getting scumread, regardless of alignment.

@NM do you have a case on why Jake’s slot is scum?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

The chatter on Enchan't role seemed to be useless, but apparently it showed that they actually were claiming to be a cop??

2. I fakeclaimed. You all probably *GASP* now.

I'll count that as calling it.

Unfortunately that’s not ai for him. His play here is definitely antitown but he does this shit as either alignment.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

The chatter on Enchan't role seemed to be useless, but apparently it showed that they actually were claiming to be a cop??

2. I fakeclaimed. You all probably *GASP* now.

I'll count that as calling it.

Unfortunately that’s not ai for him. His play here is definitely antitown but he does this shit as either alignment.

Do you think that Enchant would be a good axe today?

Based on his play so far, it wouldn’t exactly be a tragedy but as I said, the “99% I’m wrong” makes me think he could be town.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

VC 2.6

Enchant (3)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie
Jake The Wolfie (2)- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower
Bellaphant (1)- BlueBloodedToffee
Don Draper x Mistress (1)- Enchant

Not voting (4)- GoldfishFromTheMoon, Gamma Emerald, Somnus, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I'm tired and I need to go shopping tonight

What is the current up to date vc?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89796&user_select%5B%5D=36682

I don’t know how relevant this is, since this is literally the only past game of Frog’s I could find but what strikes me as significant is that Andante was also in that game, so Frog should probably know that this is town!Andante here?

In that game she actually got lucky and got scum!T3 elimmed.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gonna keep voting Enchant because this is unacceptable and i don’t see them changing.

You know that mafia is not about killing people on which you are pissed, but about killing mafia, right?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89796&user_select%5B%5D=36682

I don’t know how relevant this is, since this is literally the only past game of Frog’s I could find but what strikes me as significant is that Andante was also in that game, so Frog should probably know that this is town!Andante here?

In that game she actually got lucky and got scum!T3 elimmed.

~N

Do you believe that Froggo would have been able to correctly read Andante based mainly on this one game?

I think he shouldn’t have been as quick to jump on her based on that game, yeah. I was hoping to find some examples of Frog AtEing as either alignment because he didn’t do at at all in the game I linked. \_0_/

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Enchant is scum.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?

Do you think our mistakes (in parsing the VoteCounts / tracking the Enchant wagon) were deliberate? I'm not sure what kind of reassurance you were expecting.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Is there any harm in waiting for goldfish replacement before we decide anything? If we have time to do that, I say we don’t rush this.

@Enchant, Mistres is Auro. When we initially created this account, we had this gimmick where I would sign as “Don Draper” and him as “Mistress” for the lulz. I’m no longer doing it because I don’t find the gimmick as entertaining as I did initially.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

VC 2.6

Enchant (3)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie
Jake The Wolfie (2)- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower
Bellaphant (1)- BlueBloodedToffee
Don Draper x Mistress (1)- Enchant

Not voting (4)- GoldfishFromTheMoon, Gamma Emerald, Somnus, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I'm tired and I need to go shopping tonight

We can wait at least a day or more, I think.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Tbf I wouldn't be surprised at all if goldfish was scum but that applies to like five people

Who are the other four?

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.

In what game ever have you seen an entire mafia team pile on to a player unless it’s a bus?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

And even that almost never happens except maybe in the case of a mech guilty.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Tbf I wouldn't be surprised at all if goldfish was scum but that applies to like five people

Who are the other four?

~N

or is that five + goldfish?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

I'd say quite low And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is

I don’t want to lim Enchant anymore. Auro’s reasoning has more do to with another player he’s not tr than his read on Enchant and I pointed out to him, that’s not a very good reason to sr Enchant.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.

In what game ever have you seen an entire mafia team pile on to a player unless it’s a bus?

Well never but

but why not

Well sure, anything is always possible but in my experience of playing mafia. you almost never see an entire scumgeam on a player unless they’re mech guiltied and not always even then.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

I'd say quite low And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is

I don’t want to lim Enchant anymore. Auro’s reasoning has more do to with another player he’s not tr than his read on Enchant and I pointed out to him, that’s not a very good reason to sr Enchant.

I'm a bit lost, could you explain this for me?

He has this scum bussing Enchant theory but since I don’t think Enchant is scum, that would have to be wrong.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Huh, I wonder who they think might be bussing Enchant here.

Auro’s suspicious of Bella.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Since I'm up on the spotlight, here's my current readlist:

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

You forgot us.

Also why is goldfish grey?

~Nancy

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Aw shit. Here we go again.


Look, likelyhood of Somnus being town is already high.
No one scumread Goldfish for real, and only idea is "Let's kill Goldfish because null, if we are wrong, we get conftown anyway and can protect him!". Conftowning person who is already town is kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda dumb, especially because with idea "Why not, we can protect him!".


It's just not worth it mechanically, unless there's like 80%+ chance of goldfish being mafia, and i am pretty confident that Goldfish is Town than not, but that's me (i can't provide reasonable explainings).
Even if Goldfish is mafia (which can be possible, like anything possible), it may be even benefiting to ignore him for a moment, where we are unsure. I strongly believe that he turns obvious lategame, and this way Somnus will be alive as well, which easies game a bit.


In unpredicted case, where Somnus and Goldfish both mafs (Which i am 99% sure NOT a case, but still), i still belive it's worth to watch them, not risk likelytowns just for sake of risk.

You are not in right to answer me questions like these, nor they gonna help.


I don't care, how much or how less you contributed (this question i ask you is actually irony), nor you should care how much i did, you need to think if i am town or not and ask questions about ppl. I can as well look whole game, say "oh yes, it's scummy and this is not", make readlist, many things. They are easily fakeble. Ironically, in every game where i was maf, i could just made readlist and turn townread for everyone, just because. Idk why, i never understand this, probably people just like these things.

Your work also meaningless, because if you are town, then you wasted all time to push me, another town. So while you of course wasted more time on this, you achieved same thing as me. Nothing. Maybe even negative. So ironically, i have more BPP (Benefit Per Post), wasting less effort and achieved same results.

Science. You can think about purpose of life of something, i am busy.

I’m not feeling Enchant scum here.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Who do you think is scum rn, Nancy?

I wish I knew.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I feel very confident on Somnus, you, Penguin and probably NM town.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Unless Enchant has drastically switched up his scumgame, his making posts like “99% wrong”, questioning if another player is town are things I don’t recall seeing from past Enchant scumgames. Do you disagree? @Gamma.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@don, goldfish, enchant, nm, Jakie and pp

Can you elaborate on all of these reads?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Unless Enchant has drastically switched up his scumgame, his making posts like “99% wrong”, questioning if another player is town are things I don’t recall seeing from past Enchant scumgames. Do you disagree? @Gamma.

I don’t really read Enchant on content, I read him on vibes. He’s given me more of a scum vibe than a town vibe but if the data supports your theory I’m willing to go with it. But unless a suspect comes up that’s better than either of Jake/Enchant, I’d rather vote out Enchant today because I feel like leaving Jake alive might tell us more if he is scum.

Well, I can only go from Anything uPick, Chromavalon and PYP and don’t recall any of the types of posts I just mentioned.

So this is one of the main reasons a goldfish replace in would be great because how I read that slot would possibly tell us a lot about Enchant.

What info do you think you’d get from a scum!Jake?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Aw shit. Here we go again.


Look, likelyhood of Somnus being town is already high.
No one scumread Goldfish for real, and only idea is "Let's kill Goldfish because null, if we are wrong, we get conftown anyway and can protect him!". Conftowning person who is already town is kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda dumb, especially because with idea "Why not, we can protect him!".


It's just not worth it mechanically, unless there's like 80%+ chance of goldfish being mafia, and i am pretty confident that Goldfish is Town than not, but that's me (i can't provide reasonable explainings).
Even if Goldfish is mafia (which can be possible, like anything possible), it may be even benefiting to ignore him for a moment, where we are unsure. I strongly believe that he turns obvious lategame, and this way Somnus will be alive as well, which easies game a bit.


In unpredicted case, where Somnus and Goldfish both mafs (Which i am 99% sure NOT a case, but still), i still belive it's worth to watch them, not risk likelytowns just for sake of risk.

I agree with this, and this makes me feel better about Enchant's slot. Goldfish is the one who has a claimed inno on them, yeah? I don't want to lim Goldfish either.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

I'd say quite low And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is

You can absolutely be frustrated as scum also, though

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Sorry, those are my five in the 'they can't all be scum but some are/also there is probably an effort!scum that isn't in this list "

Which players would form the {effort} pool regardless of your read on them?

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Anyone else have a good read on Bellaphant? Please walk me through your thoughts.

@Norwee: Oops, the other way round - got it.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Kop replaces GoldfishFromTheMoon!

Oh thank God, finally. Hopefully this will finally get this game moving.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gamma is conftown, because does nothing, but fuels wagon on me.

I wanted to write "Confscum".

Fuck.

Why can’t he be confibiased town from your perspective?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Unless Enchant has drastically switched up his scumgame, his making posts like “99% wrong”, questioning if another player is town are things I don’t recall seeing from past Enchant scumgames. Do you disagree? @Gamma.

I don’t really read Enchant on content, I read him on vibes. He’s given me more of a scum vibe than a town vibe but if the data supports your theory I’m willing to go with it. But unless a suspect comes up that’s better than either of Jake/Enchant, I’d rather vote out Enchant today because I feel like leaving Jake alive might tell us more if he is scum.

Well, I can only go from Anything uPick, Chromavalon and PYP and don’t recall any of the types of posts I just mentioned.

So this is one of the main reasons a goldfish replace in would be great because how I read that slot would possibly tell us a lot about Enchant.

What info do you think you’d get from a scum!Jake?

What about Terminator?

He was pretty obviously townie in that. I really couldn’t tell with him in Schadd’s game.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

I’m hoping. Well, if they’re really townie, it would confirm for me that Enchant is probably town because they usually don’t defend town as scum. A lot of players have expressed opinions on that slot and since Goldfish really didn’t do pretty much anything AI, that might possibly be informative, no?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Gamma, Nancy, and Friend, What are your current reasons for not voting?

I was waiting for replace in to do something. Hopefully that happens very soon.

What was something you'd hope they do?

If I can get a strong read on that slot one way or another, that’s will really help me hopefully decide who to vote.

How will that help decide?

I’m hoping. Well, if they’re really townie, it would confirm for me that Enchant is probably town because they usually don’t defend town as scum. A lot of players have expressed opinions on that slot and since Goldfish really didn’t do pretty much anything AI, that might possibly be informative, no?

Could a scum Enchant be defending a town Goldfish because it would be an easy person to defend?

Sure it’s possible but in my experience playing with scum!Enchant, he’s far less likely to do that.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I don’t think you’re scum here, you’re just doing way too many things I see as pretty much being absent from your scumgame.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I don’t think you’re scum here, you’re just doing way too many things I see as pretty much being absent from your scumgame.

This is a funny phrasing of this, you sure this is what you meant?

What’s “funny” about it?

I think it’s extremely clear. I don’t think Enchant is scum here because his play here doesn’t line up with his scum meta.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

You <3

You and Auro are on the same page with that.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@Bella any thoughts about Kop?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Cool, can auro come ask me some questions? I work better having a chat..

I’ll let him know.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?

Wasn’t exactly a huge fan of this? What does Auro’s read of you have anything whatsoever to do with me getting the votecount wrong?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, they've made what, one post? So, weirdly, no. Why ask?

I guess that’s fair.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Had they had more content. it would be a really good question however.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

You keep saying this and I keep posting reads while you don't. It's boring and annoying. I think my progression on reads is fairly transparent too - I moved from scum reading norwee to thinking they are most likely town, my tr of the hydra is slipping, etc: I'm not hiding things

We solve differently, I'm never as aggressive as you as town or scum.

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Do you have other scum reads? Your scum read of me feels weirdly 'safe', especially because you aren't basing it on much.

Maybe yes, maybe not. Have you never seen dueling wagons of the same alignment - especially town ones?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

but now probably have incentive to kill me.

Which would make Gamma suspicious on your flip, no? Would it be worth it for Gamma?

@Bella: Apologies if I missed it, but did you respond to this post?

Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?

Do you think our mistakes (in parsing the VoteCounts / tracking the Enchant wagon) were deliberate? I'm not sure what kind of reassurance you were expecting.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

but now probably have incentive to kill me.

Which would make Gamma suspicious on your flip, no? Would it be worth it for Gamma?

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"

I think you’re mixing up Gamma with Norwee? Isn’t he the one who said you should play differently or something?

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.

bbt said both were highly likely to be town tbf

And rather than even suggesting an alternative, they voted one of us.

Do you really think an alternative wagon is viable at this point

It's always possible that we CFD from the current options to an entirely unexpected person, but more importantly the wagon they suggested didn't need to be viable at that time, they just needed to suggest it.

Koba informed me awhile ago that we shouldn’t use the term “CFD” because it has racist connotations. Flashwagon is preferable.

I really think we should get an extension because it took so long for goldfish to get replaced.

@mod, is it possible we get a breif extension to allow Kop to get caught up?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

but now probably have incentive to kill me.

Which would make Gamma suspicious on your flip, no? Would it be worth it for Gamma?

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"

I think you’re mixing up Gamma with Norwee? Isn’t he the one who said you should play differently or something?

~N

Who is even advocating for that? Certainly not us? Why do you keep bringing up NM anyway?

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

This scumread is not genuine.

How do you know whether it is or isn’t and I ask you again, why isn’t it possible from your perspective that he could just be wrong? Why do you view pretty’s much anyone sr you as being scum as opposed to just wrong? It’s not like you’re actually easy to read and you objectively do act scummy irrespective of alignment so I think that’s kind of unreasonable and unfair on your part.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

You keep saying this and I keep posting reads while you don't. It's boring and annoying. I think my progression on reads is fairly transparent too - I moved from scum reading norwee to thinking they are most likely town, my tr of the hydra is slipping, etc: I'm not hiding things

We solve differently, I'm never as aggressive as you as town or scum.

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Do you have other scum reads? Your scum read of me feels weirdly 'safe', especially because you aren't basing it on much.

Because I didn’t see the votecount and we aren’t currently tr you? Tell me how this doesn’t look at least slightly like omgus?

You’re the one who was shading us because I didn’t see the vc. Are you now going to deny that fact?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Or rather count the votes correctly.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Awkward, because I was about to respond to bbt that nm kinda fills that middle role for me.

@mistress, no, I'll post proper responses after its not dinner/bath/bed time

How so when NM isn’t even being remotely hedgey? He’s made it abundantly clear what his reads are no?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Auro’s agreeing with me on Enchant.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@mistress, you popped straight up when bbt started talking about a wagon/ a scum read of me, but managed to not notice the post you responded quite attacky to and asked me if i.was 'denying that fact' wasn't even to you. Can you not see why I'd find that worrying?

How do you not see that you shading me for not realizing that Enchant was at e-1 because I was incorrect about the vc and juxtaposing that with Auro’s read on you wouldn’t massively ping me? Those are two completely unrelated things.

See, Enchant is inclined to have those horrible kinds of takes but I’d expect much better from you.

I was pretty much neutral on you prior to that.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

And I didn’t suddenly conveniently “pop in” either as you put. So this is more like the vc thing but the vc thing is arguably much worse.

I posted what I posted because Auro is mindmelding with BBT ob you but I also addressed Enchant’s post wrt to Gamma as well. But you do have a point in that. that post of yours re:the vc thing has made me extremely paranoid on you because it just majorly pinged me that you juxtaposed to entirely unrelated things just to shade me. Had you just stuck to whatever your issue was with Auro’s read on you, I would have had no problem with it.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Oh wait you literally said he does agree with you on Enchant, nvm my second question.

I think Enchant has a lot of really bad takes given that he plays extremely scummy irrespective of alignment so shouldn’t be all that shocked and outraged for being extremely hard to read but yeah, he’s also said quite a few things that town ping me, like the “99% I’m wrong thing” questioning if Jake might also be town etc, And so far I’m liking Kop and that’s yet another thing that bodes well for my Enchant read as well because scum!Enchant usually either defends scummy players which usually turn out to be his buddies in many of the games I’ve played with scum!him.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Yeah, Auro’s come around to agreeing with me on town!Enchant.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?

@Bella do you understand that it’s extremely hard not to read this like: I dislike Auro’s read on me and oh wait, Nancy misread the vc, so I point that out to subtly shade her?

Do you not understand why this would ping me?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, as far as I'm aware, Auro scum read me because of misreading a vote count - he said I was the first vote on day two when I wasnt. That's why 'vcs' are linked in my mind: does that make things clearer? Auro really hasn't explained their scum read on me elsewise.

I think he realized his mistake? I’ll ask him to elaborate on his read of you more.

So, now that Kop has posted some content, has your read on them changed at all?

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, as far as I'm aware, Auro scum read me because of misreading a vote count - he said I was the first vote on day two when I wasnt. That's why 'vcs' are linked in my mind: does that make things clearer? Auro really hasn't explained their scum read on me elsewise.

Admitting my mistake in reading the Votecounts implied an invalidation of my own scumread on you along those lines.

What pinged me harder is this line:

Do you think our mistakes (in parsing the VoteCounts / tracking the Enchant wagon) were deliberate? I'm not sure what kind of reassurance you were expecting.

I see your post clarifying that it was targeted towards a different slot. However, it still strikes me as an odd reason to cause worry/paranoia.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"

Have you been treated this way in other games? What makes you think that will be the most likely result? You're assuming bad faith play from town.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

You're right, I didn't realise we still had so much time back when I was voting you.

My reads wavered a bit on both slots though so I didn't feel as strongly then as I do now regarding Jake and yourself if that makes sense?

I also don't feel I have enough to push Bella or Penguin so it just feels like my hands are tied and we're in a pretty shitty position.

I townlean Penguin if that helps.

~N

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Why can't you spell Enchant

Ironically, his name despite being one of the easiest ones to spell, seems to get misspelled more than any other it seems.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

It doesn't help much Nancy, is it based on meta or is it game relevant?

Both, because it sounds like town!Penguin in most games I’ve played with him and I also don’t so far see any reason to scumread him. That’s why it’s a townlean.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

7 hours left so better pick a choice between Jake or Encant

Like, are you misspelling his name deliberately now? It’s the third post in succession now.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

7 hours left so better pick a choice between Jake or Encant

I don’t know if Jake is scum or not but I really don’t think Enchant is.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

It doesn't help much Nancy, is it based on meta or is it game relevant?

Both, because it sounds like town!Penguin in most games I’ve played with him and I also don’t so far see any reason to scumread him. That’s why it’s a townlean.

OK, so specifically for this game you have Penguin as null at best it looks like?

Has he done anything this game to make you think he is town?

He’s been making reads here, sorting. I don’t understand why you sr him? He also hasn’t done anything to ping me. Like I said, so far this looks like town!Penguin in any game I’ve ever played with him. \_0_/

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Cool, why else though? I've been asking you to clarify and come chat to me.

Nothing else.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

4 hours left, why aren't you voting Nancy

That was Auro.

VC 2.8

Jake The Wolfie (4)- Not_Mafia, Enchant, Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee
Enchant (4)- Bellaphant, NorwegianboyEE, Jake The Wolfie, PenguinPower

Not voting (3)- Kop, Gamma Emerald, Don Draper x Mistress

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: I got two shinies in legends: arceus today

Is this up to date? I think I’ll probably vote Jake then. I’m just not confident on it.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

Any final thoughts?

If you’re town, it’s important for you to give final reads.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Since I'm up on the spotlight, here's my current readlist:

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

You forgot us.

Also why is goldfish grey?

~Nancy

Jake The Wolfie

NorwegianboyEE
Not_Mafia
Somnus
---
Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant
Nancy and Friend

GoldfishFromTheMoon

---
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower

Enchant

Goldfish is grey for the same reason Enchant is Red and I am green, it's just a good place to plop a "true neutral" point, mainly because there's far too little they've done so far to be considered either town or scum.

I deffer back to this readlist should anyone be interested.

The night my role becomes active was Night 3.

So why tf didn’t you claim then? If you’re n3 tpr, you could have saved yourself. This is great, we have one self-hammering town and another one who only claims post-hammer.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

I won't miss you.

Unnecessary.

Enchant

[Don Draper x Mistress]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

Like what were you thinking Jake? Claim your role and people would have unvoted. God.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

Like what were you thinking Jake? Claim your role and people would have unvoted. God.

Would they have, though? Or would the players who thought I was scum still wagon me to be axed because, you know, they think I'm scum.

Well, you could have at least tried. You should always always claim regardless.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

My demise is imminent it seems.

So much for trying to play the game.

Ciao!

Like what were you thinking Jake? Claim your role and people would have unvoted. God.

lol, what a sweet lie.

First thing i would say is "Eh, so mafia can't claim they have ability usage soon because?"

... Because really, nothing stops mafs from just claiming they gonna use it SOON and then just "use" it.

Who you then vote instead? Me? Well im PR too, now what?

Idk but I was hoping the mod would grant an extension - which is what should have happened - since goldfish replacement took like forever.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Like, take BBT for instance. Do you think that they would have unvoted after learning that my activation night is tonight, kr would they still say that I shpd be axed anyway because I'm more likely to be scum, and this would merely be an evasion tactic?

It would have sounded desperate, it would have made me look more like scum, and it would have done the opposite of what you would have wanted.

No, how do you figure that? At the very worst. it would be viewed as nia.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Like, take BBT for instance. Do you think that they would have unvoted after learning that my activation night is tonight, kr would they still say that I shpd be axed anyway because I'm more likely to be scum, and this would merely be an evasion tactic?

It would have sounded desperate, it would have made me look more like scum, and it would have done the opposite of what you would have wanted.

No, how do you figure that? At the very worst. it would be viewed as nia.

Do you think that someone who already thought I had a higher likelyhood of being scum would stop voting me because I did something that scum could, and reasonably would, do?

I think had two things happened: you claim and mod gives us an extension, maybe we could have found a better wagon. :/

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Well mostly because we DIDN"T HAD TIME

+1

But mod should have extended the deadline right after he announced Kop replace in. That’s pretty standard modding practice.