Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Vivax]

no it was suspicion on FG bc roden thought it was a made up read bc it didn't really look like a pocket

don't think it was really abt bell at all

Well I hope Vulture flips town at this point, cause I seem to be the only one who wants to lim Roden
If not, I can stomach having a wrong vote at EoD in a game where I sweat more than usual

GL fellas, fellettes and ferrets

[Vivax]

Wow. I just came back. The current push on me is so utterly horrible that I'm not sure if I even want to address it. I play like a robot, scumread someone for tone from a scumread page and try to read the thread carefully to err my mistakes?

I bet my ass there is scum on it. There's five of them after all.

I guess I understand them though. Eliminating a mafia today would mean that town only needs two points to win, and that puts them in a horrible position. So they'd rather put their necks out for LHF like me, because then they'll just manipulate the pairings with low posters.

Not going to waste my time arguing with this shit push, let's get to work.

This reads so genuine tho :/

[Vivax]

Read the Greeting ISO please and tell me you want to vote that off over Roden with a clear conscience.
I...just...can‘t

[Vivax]

VOTE: Vivax

Sheeping.

Do you have any reads of your own or do you just follow random wagons?

I mean...

[Vivax]

Wow. I just came back. The current push on me is so utterly horrible that I'm not sure if I even want to address it. I play like a robot, scumread someone for tone from a scumread page and try to read the thread carefully to err my mistakes?

I bet my ass there is scum on it. There's five of them after all.

I guess I understand them though. Eliminating a mafia today would mean that town only needs two points to win, and that puts them in a horrible position. So they'd rather put their necks out for LHF like me, because then they'll just manipulate the pairings with low posters.

Not going to waste my time arguing with this shit push, let's get to work.

This reads so genuine tho :/

what

there are a couple lines from greeting in other posts that feel genuine but this is one of the least genuine sounding posts ive ever read

why would he call himself LHF

why does he think that mafia is the one leading this push on him but he has no interest in arguing with them or engaging with the wagon on him at all or sorting out who is mafia on it

Yeah I lol‘d for real at the LHF part, don‘t treat it as AI just funny as hell

[Vivax]

I have absolutely no doubt that Greeting was telling the truth about his mental heakth issues. That doesn’t maje him town.

I think you misread, it was that they struggled with giving leeway to people with issues

[Vivax]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

This seems townie, the catch up process at the beginning of the ISO too
There is more effort behind their posts combined than in Rodens

[Vivax]

I could relate to how Roden plays if I were mafia in the game, I often struggle with having a drive to post enough while I don't have to look into a pool of questions

[Vivax]

Not to Townslip teehee omg but I just realized that the people who we're voting on aren't actually here anymore and I thought they were like. Just not posting lmfao.

That being said I thought Dann was like, also able to show up and /talk/ lol but knowing that he can't... actually probably doesn't change that much but will factor it in.

do we think this is fake

I don't currently feel decided about it either way, could be genuine, could be fake, but if Roden is mafia and Vulture town this is probably the thing I'd kick myself for not considering more seriously

If I look at the context there were 2 votes on FG and 1 on kuti on the last VC, with Loki voting and unvoting Dann in between the VC and Vultures take

vote count 2.03

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-08-18 01:15:00).

yeet

Dannflor [2]:

Radical Rat, furtiveglance

kutiplz [1]:

Vivax

not voting [7]:

Loki Dokie, Vulture, GuiltyLion, Aristeia, fireisredsir, Bell, Roden

mod notes

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I don't get the 'knowing that he can't' thing, do you?

[Vivax]

I could relate to how Roden plays if I were mafia in the game, I often struggle with having a drive to post enough while I don't have to look into a pool of questions

Roden isn’t you though. I’ve been really lazy but posting little is never scum indicative for Roden, if anything it’s possibly town indicative for him.

Did you ISO him in Terminator? He barely did anything in that.

Basically, Roden can post quite a lot as either alignment but he’s far more likely to post less as town and his games bear this out, I think.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Well I also brought forth arguments for Greeting + Vulture being town. Vultures entrance felt very stream of consciousnessy without much backthought, and Greeting has very polished, detailed posts that don't look like they're hiding anything

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

I clicked into GuiltyLion’s iso thinking it would be a quick skim. Lol.

Seems to be GuiltyLioning though.

Furtive can be town.

Dan can be town for now.

Null on Kuti, look closer at if fire flips wolf.

Fire is whatever.

Roden is whatever.

vote count 1.05

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

KittyTacky [3]:

fireisredsir, Bell, Vivax

Greeting [3]:

furtiveglance, Radical Rat, Loki Dokie

Roden [2]:

Dannflor, Aristeia

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

not voting [3]:

KittyTacky, kutiplz, GuiltyLion

mod notes

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vote count 1.06

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Greeting [3]:

Loki Dokie, Dannflor, furtiveglance

furtiveglance [3]:

Roden, Greeting, Vivax

KittyTacky [1]:

Bell

Roden [1]:

Aristeia

Vivax [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [4]:

KittyTacky, kutiplz, GuiltyLion, Radical Rat

mod notes

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vote count 1.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Greeting [3]:

Dannflor, furtiveglance, KittyTacky

Vivax [3]:

fireisredsir, Loki Dokie, Radical Rat

KittyTacky [2]:

Bell, Aristeia

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

Loki Dokie [1]:

Vivax

not voting [2]:

kutiplz, GuiltyLion

mod notes

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vote count 1.08

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

KittyTacky [5]:

Bell, Aristeia, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir, Vivax

Vivax [3]:

Loki Dokie, Radical Rat, furtiveglance

Greeting [2]:

Dannflor, KittyTacky

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

not voting [1]:

kutiplz

mod notes

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vote count 1.09

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

KittyTacky [3]:

Bell, Aristeia, GuiltyLion

Vivax [3]:

Loki Dokie, Radical Rat, furtiveglance

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

Greeting [1]:

KittyTacky

Radical Rat [1]:

Vivax

kutiplz [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [2]:

kutiplz, Dannflor

mod notes

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vote count 1.10

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Vivax [5]:

Loki Dokie, Radical Rat, furtiveglance, kutiplz, KittyTacky

KittyTacky [3]:

Bell, Aristeia, GuiltyLion

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

Bell [2]:

Dannflor, fireisredsir

Radical Rat [1]:

Vivax

not voting [0]:

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Much to think about.

VOTE: KittyTacky

If I look at the post timestamps, it makes sort of sense to just spontaneously drop reads on a quick skim from Vulturues perspective.
Regardless, it's harder to fake as scum than inventing a reason to withhold information like Roden did

[Vivax]

These are interesting picks, a bit more challenging than the last, but at first glance it's not hard to see who posts more spontaneously

[Vivax]

VOTE: RadicalRat

Not gonna miss the chance at 100% EoD accuracy

[Vivax]

If you had to pick someone who led a life described similarly as Tantalos' former life nowadays, who would it be?

[Vivax]

VOTE: RadicalRat

Not gonna miss the chance at 100% EoD accuracy

Like you were pushing me as a Roden buddy and had both of them as town?

What makes you this confident?

Why does scum!RR pick Ari? The converse oth is pretty obvious.

I had both of them as town but conveniently someone chose to put them together

[Vivax]

This is a post where I pretend to be triggered
just to make you happy

[Vivax]

If you had to pick someone who led a life described similarly as Tantalos' former life nowadays, who would it be?

????

I have no clue who that is.

The prototypical greedy king with superiority complex

[Vivax]

Typically when you‘ve got leadership with that archetype, you‘re in for trouble on the horizon

[Vivax]

If you had to pick someone who led a life described similarly as Tantalos' former life nowadays, who would it be?

????

I have no clue who that is.

The prototypical greedy king with superiority complex

Don’t really understand the point of this but probably any number of entitlled celebs. I guess.

Correct, I‘m kinda rambling at seeing history rhyme lately

[Vivax]

I don‘t really overthink this from what the slots actions were
Instead I just compared how carefully the posts were made, Aristeia with the random youtube pop-ins and less boxed in takes than RR simply looks townier

RR tried harder to make posts in a way that they justify a later consistency in voting

[Vivax]

Gun to head, I'd pick Kitty over Bell, but I still would much rather Vivax.

Example of boxed in thinking

[Vivax]

Gun to head, I'd pick Kitty over Bell, but I still would much rather Vivax.

Example of boxed in thinking

Okay then, explain to me how you tr RR > me then? My posting was the complete antithesis of anything even remotely resembling “boxed in”.

That sheer level of nuanced posting is something I greatly struggle with doing as scum.

Like he was on your wagon but I unvoted you, so you tr him > me was just beyond whack.

I don‘t disagree, but you are the type of player worthy of tinfoil that‘s not hard to see.
As such a player I might push you just because of that. Or because I like chaos in general and am not afraid of looking wrong as town (sometimes more, sometimes less)

Also cause you are effective at pushing counternarratives. When scum fools me it‘s cause they make me overthink or make the game simply unattractive to try in

[Vivax]

A game of mafia is like a miniature mirror of society
Or the societies one lives in

[Vivax]

You should be able to infer I project the same degree of freedom I am allowed to enjoy into my games, and that I can trust who‘s around me to be tolerant

[Vivax]

I have to look it up but I also think that both RR and Roden were paranoiaing on GL. Also. I guess RR’s reaction to Ari push was objectively pretty bad. God only knows why you were tr them for that.

The mech is rather townsided. Opinions given on people outside of the pair aren‘t that relevant until they show up in another pair.

If you build up a meta of never being wrong as town, how do you want to scum?

[Vivax]

If you roll scum in this setup, the phrase

if you don‘t have a good pair better have a good hand

applies

[Vivax]

really my biggest doubt is that i question why RR picked ari over GL. i think there's more that imo clears ari here and i would have been at least tempted to vote GL over RR, tbh

i was hoping they would pick vivax cause that would be an easy vote

Who would pick, is the question?
Isn't RR supposed to be the last on their team?

[Vivax]

vote count 1.03

with 13 votes in play, it takes

7

to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Roden

[4]:

Dannflor, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir,

Aristeia

Vivax [2]:

Radical Rat

, furtiveglance

GuiltyLion [1]:

Donempire

Loki Dokie [1]:

Roden

furtiveglance [1]:

Vivax

not voting [4]:

KittyTacky, kutiplz, Bell

, Loki Dokie

mod notes

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[Vivax]

Hello frens, have you figured out where captain Morgan hid the booty yet?

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

While I read

[Vivax]

God I want to embrace the most boring activities all of a sudden. Cutting bonsais or whatever, just need a month off anything electronic at least and without crazy evenings.

Loki and fire you both sound kinda similar when reading over the posts. Reads like post-game analysis, you like complex approaches?

[Vivax]

Anyway shouldn‘t I possibly expect you both to be the same person? You refrain from voting together
So it‘s GL who needs convincing here

Btw, absolutely incredible what you can pull off, the problem is that you got a bunch of doppelgangers lol
I don‘t think I have free will in this matter

[Vivax]

[quote="In post 1184, Vivax"]Vulture/RR/furtive + 1 of fire/loki, but won't get that far. Leaning fire generally because Loki puts himself more out there and fire keeps their head low, but it could be a bad reason.

Aristeia eligible for tinfoil scenarios but more unlikely right now

Posting this for legacy reasons. It's just wacko crap you can enjoy after a taco wrap

It‘s just an insanely odd post I made if I look back at it with the knowledge I have now. Unusual words.
Too slow or not? Look around you and ask if that‘s a wheel worth spinning anew.

Anyways

VOTE: RadicalRat

I believe it‘s the more obvious choice?

[Vivax]

Anyway shouldn‘t I possibly expect you both to be the same person? You refrain from voting together
So it‘s GL who needs convincing here

Btw, absolutely incredible what you can pull off, the problem is that you got a bunch of doppelgangers lol
I don‘t think I have free will in this matter

i don't think i have the energy to be both loki and myself. that would be a lot

Not to mention also against the rules.

Well, physics rules are overrated according to my recent mafia experience
And I always expect possible rulebreakers, but this game doesn‘t seem like it

[Vivax]

Anyway shouldn‘t I possibly expect you both to be the same person? You refrain from voting together
So it‘s GL who needs convincing here

Btw, absolutely incredible what you can pull off, the problem is that you got a bunch of doppelgangers lol
I don‘t think I have free will in this matter

i don't think i have the energy to be both loki and myself. that would be a lot

Not to mention also against the rules.

Well, physics rules are overrated according to my recent mafia experience
And I always expect possible rulebreakers, but this game doesn‘t seem like it

I would absolutely love to hear which of your recent mafia games defied the laws of physics. Terminator with the whole time travel thing?

True, I think there is no evidence that time travel to the past is actually possible but that would be a topic better suited for post-game.

It kinda sucks that light speed is proven constant, imagine if it actually lost speed overtime
Rather talking about perception anomalies though

[Vivax]

I also think, maybe this is my ego, but kuti/dann still kinda strikes me as a desperation Hail Mary WIFOM play

if Ari is scum I feel the first test can be much different and much more designed around setting Ari up to win

instead Ari just decides to risk that towncred on hardpushing Dann

why

whereas a team of kuti/rat/roden/bell is probably pretty demoralized after D1 and is more in fuck it what do we have to lose mode

Yup, that's the key to the game imho. The struggle was to conceal a really bad mood. What could have happened that made some townies have a bad mood as well? Tinfoil territory.
Reading Roden makes it easier to conf bias into that scenario.

[Vivax]

so who is roden counting on to hammer you?

B-A-G are on Kitty and pushing there.

Greeting can't be scum with Roden.

Dann's flipped town, you won't hammer yourself.

Fire? I have trouble seeing a world where fire is scum because I don't think he pushes that hard for Kuti as scum.

yo-ho-ho

Still, that was deepwolfing done right. Well deserved!

[Vivax]

What‘s nice about the setup is that it‘s good for weighing performance on individual basis.

[Vivax]

This playerbase was amazing all around. It's always nice to see when everyone is a winner

And the host is obviously a saint