Mini Normal 2279: VGSR - GAME OVER

[Klick]

inutile is obvtown from early pages
Hoppip probably town
Furtive town
Greeting town?

BBT is having very good takes early, 134 feels very accurate to me up to this point

The content Greeting gives around Page 6/7 feels not only genuine but also actually very helpful. If it continues then Greeting can be town

Frogster's solving so far feels more towny than scummy

230 doesn't feel like what scum really aims to be posting, but it does look like a genuine town stance. I want to see more of these because this is the first one I've seen from Eiralox
...eiralox then does basically the same thing in 234, I totally believe Eiralox's read on furtive.

Depending on the payoff of Frogster's 299 I totally buy into his zeal for this game and think he's town for it. Now to shake your scumread on this slot so we can start getting somewhere.

Eira reads a lot like they genuinely don't give a shit how they're perceived, which is something one would plausibly do as town but would necessarily have to not be doing as scum.

Frogster

could I get your opinion on this bit specifically


I'm up to Page 13 and now I'm going to take the kids out for a play. I feel like I've got a decent chunk of confident townreads and a few I want to see where they go. Ausuka should probably die if they don't towntell soon.

[Klick]

Sorting.

Greeting

inutile

Ausuka

furtiveglance
BlueBloodedToffee
Frogsterking

DeltaWave

PoE:

Juice
hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Mohab500
Nuclear Gandhi

I don't know if you go on to explain it, but I'd be interested in why you townread BBT (past and/or present)
I always find it difficult to develop a read on BBT that I feel confident in

[Klick]

Unless I'm missing some potential for Greeting to be a master scum player I think they read as very solidly town?

[Klick]

Elaborating on scumpings is hard and I very rarely have genuine confidence in my scumreads, the closest I tend to get is 'this person isn't towntelling and they should be' which I know can be frustrating to be on the receiving end of but it is what it is

but Ausuka's posts don't feel natural to me. They feel carefully constructed. I don't remember feeling this way about Ausuka in previous games with them when I've generally been able to easily townread them. And it reminds me a lot of how I felt about Dunnstral in this game before shooting him.

[Klick]

I'm working from vague memories of having played with you previously and the vibe I had from you then
I don't play very often but I thought we had a couple of recent-ish games together?

What's different about this game that makes you town, then? I'm not afraid of self-meta

[Klick]

Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).

"Get angry easily" = 4

"Take charge" = 1

"Make people feel welcome" = 4

"Like music" = 5

"Like to tidy up" = 1

"Like to visit new places" = 5

"Feel comfortable around people" = 1

"Interested in many things" = 2

"Love order and regularity" = 4

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 5

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 1

"Cheer people up" = 4

"Lose my temper" = 2

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4

"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5

"Cheat to get ahead" = 2

"Feel desperate" = 3

"Rarely overindulge" = 1

"Easily resist temptations" = 1

"Have a high opinion of myself" = 2

"Waste my time" = 5

"Need a push to get started" = 5

"Have little to contribute" = 2

"Keep my cool" = 4

"Avoid crowds" = 5

"Turn my back on others" = 1

I've not read the payoff, have fun

[Klick]

I think the juice wagon needs to be evaluated. I'd reckon at least 2 scum there as its a very easy wagon.

I would argue that this is +town for Juice
I don't think Mohab is in a position at this point in the game where she would feel like her posts would genuinely persuade people off the Juice wagon
So I think the purpose of this post is not to actually derail the Juice wagon, but to either look good if it goes through as a miselim or to make Juice look bad if Mohab flips before Juice

[Klick]

greetings posts have gutpinged me for a while now, long before the juice fiasco. I thi9nk mohab voting there is natural;

This also doesn't really feel like straight buddying a partner.

[Klick]

if you town flip then it makes it look like furt knew you were town and Ausuka gets a huge downgrade. Also, you were a MND counter so your town flip also makes him very sus

I don't think Nero killed furtive

[Klick]

I'll be here in like 3ish hours to finish catching up and vote scum

[Klick]

i'm so tired. i'm ok with the following elims today: hut, greetings, eroalox, bbt. i have not caught up with whatever happened today but im going to read it.

This really feels like town to me.

[Klick]

Crescent EoD content does incriminate Greeting quite a bit. But Greeting looks a lot like town.

[Klick]

You know what 3 hours left I'm just going to vote the one I think is more likely to be scum based on the way they've played. Greeting had his hand in so many pots in 240 that I openly suspected him chessmastering it for a long period time, and my suspicion annoyed him. I can't even get him to answer a question in this one without him deflecting it and bailing. The closest thing he has to content in the last few days is #873, where he shades everyone on his wagon. He doesn't feel like he's making any attempt to solve the game.

Anyways, this is my Day 1 final PoE.

hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Mohab500

Left out

Mapuche Never Die

and

Nuclear Gandhi

because both of them produced sufficient amounts of good content.

I am happy to eliminate anyone out of these four really and

hutmeil

is a good candidate. I don't think I really need to expand on the

hutmeil

case as everything has been said. His only case was Juice, and when he got replaced, he didn't build a second one.

@

Nero Cain

: if anyone is actively lurking this game, especially since Juice's replace-out, I would say it's

hutmeil

.

After saying he doesn't need to expand on Hutmeil, he does it anyway, by arguing a point that is completely wrong. BBT almost completely stopped posting the moment Juice replaced out. The guy I replaced, who is even on this list,

never posted again

after Juice replaced out. Hutmeil did nothing that I would say looked good, but he

was

around. This reason for throwing more shade on him 12 posts after voting him is total BS. Nothing about this feels genuine.


VOTE: Greeting

Oh yikes yeah that's pretty bad timing with how much Crescent was shading hutmeil right before

[Klick]

Iirc how to read Nero is that as town he's aggressively pushing things that often don't make sense whereas as scum he is more willing to not draw too much attention and watch Rome burn

I also think inutile was town

This is a good Ausuka post

[Klick]

Ehhh it's not brilliant.

[Klick]

I think its possible that it's just very simply an Eiralox/Ausuka team and maybe the POE is

Eiralox
Ausuka
BBT
hopip

This is exactly my current PoE, minus Eiralox because Eiralox is obvious town.

[Klick]

Although I'm not really feeling confident that Ausuka is the right lead at this point. Unless D2 changes anything I'd be most happy with either a BBT or a hoppip elim

[Klick]

Hey Greeting why didn't you die last night

[Klick]

Hey Greeting why didn't you die last night

Might as well stick it on the top of the page

[Klick]

VOTE: Greeting

I want to test the claim.

Hey Greeting why didn't you die last night

I don’t like this post at all. There are a million different reasons why scum would want to kill furtive over town!Greeting, and this post implies that scum!Klick killed furtive to frame Greeting.

although now that i think about it

@klick, in frog images your scumteam left kittytacky alive in a similar situation - a suspected but powerful PR claim

why would you expect this game to be different to that

The main difference here is that Greeting finds Mafia Goons and literally claimed on D1 'I am going to investigate Crescent' who was a Mafia Goon

If Greeting is town, the scumteam willingly let a guilty go through on them to instead kill furtiveglance

[Klick]

And I'm not saying that's not possible. But I don't currently understand why that would happen

[Klick]

I'm never voting these people:

Nero Cain
Eiralox

Really don't think it's these people:

Ausuka
DeltaWave

I don't trust my own read here:

Frogsterking

???

BBT
Mapuche

[Klick]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DeltaWave

this Penguin is looking for an easy lynch - just because ive been a bit inactive

I'd say a little more than a bit~

VOTE: Juice

It's been five days, time to wake up and start playing

This doesn't feel like a partner interaction to me.

[Klick]

Hmm...

You know what, I'll vote hutmeil if Mapuche does.

Also pretty weird stuff to say about a partner

[Klick]

BBT/Frog feels right as a simple PoE

[Klick]

Sorry for not really explaining my Eiralox townread Nero but I don't really know how in a way that I think you'll be satisfied with. It's an overall vibe thing, I think Eiralox obviously cares about a lot of things in this game that aren't anything to do with a scum wincon.

PEdit: In a theoretical Crescent/hoppip/BBT scumteam I don't really see any of the three playing differently than they have played so far though

BBT is a null read for me (as always) but at this point that puts him well within acceptable PoE for me

[Klick]

VOTE: Frogsterking
So talk about why you scumread DW then

[Klick]

I'm not convinced that BBT bussed themselves into a potential autoloss or makes the Greeting kill. I think what's happening here is that I'm ahead of the curve on my Delta FoS.

Because this reads like you want to buffer the wave of suspicion by quickly having another name out there without yet having the reasons to back it up

[Klick]

I think Frogster's flailing because his wincon depends on surviving

[Klick]

Yeah, but we can still talk?

So I'm scum because inactive?

Are you town because inactive?

[Klick]

Yeah, but we can still talk?

So I'm scum because inactive?

Are you town because inactive?

I'm NAI because inactive

And therefore we're all solving other slots.
And naturally, as more and more slots start looking like town, the inactive slot gets relatively scummier.
You seem to be pseudo-arguing against being in the PoE when there is every reason for you to be in the PoE with plenty of players looking town.

[Klick]

Anyone have anything they'd like to share?

[Klick]

Specifically, if there is exactly a Jailkeeper in this game, I'd love to hear about it.

[Klick]

I tried to vig her last night

Sorry Frogster, gg all

VOTE: DeltaWave

[Klick]

No idea why, there was a claimed investigate on Crescent the day before. But I suppose a scum kill is a scum kill!

[Klick]

I'm odd-night if that helps