Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:18 pm

VOTE: BBT
I think this might be scum, his pushes don't feel very based in rational thought, and he had actual logic in C9++, so a superficial excuse will not cut it here

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:02 am

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:08 pm

In post 2331, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Same reasons as Yesterday.

So none at all, got it

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:52 pm

Do you seriously think it’s me and BBT, or do you think Penguin is scum?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:56 pm

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:05 pm

In post 2358, Somnus wrote:Why can't I just die...

r u fr

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:10 pm

I think BBT is operating on a different system than he was in C9++
There, idr atm how much he explained it but there seemed to be a sensible logic to his PoE
Here it just feels like it poofed into existence

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:55 pm

In post 2367, Somnus wrote:
In post 2366, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think BBT is operating on a different system than he was in C9++
There, idr atm how much he explained it but there seemed to be a sensible logic to his PoE
Here it just feels like it poofed into existence
Current thoughts on Bella, Norwegian, and Penguin?

Norwee kinda feels towny rn
Bella I kinda TR, and this improves if BBT flips scum
Penguin I don’t have much of an opinion on rn

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:39 am

In post 2383, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2371, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bella I kinda TR, and this improves if BBT flips scum
Why do you townread Bella?

she seems actually invested in town wincon

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:43 am

In post 2347, Bellaphant wrote:Would a mass claim inject some life back?

In post 2350, Bellaphant wrote:Yeah, I'm not sure why the game is so dead - we hit scum today and mass claim tomorrow, organise some doc protects and we're good, right? It becomes really simple Poe.

posting like this is what gives me that sense
why do you say she's expressly focused on BBT? I think because of their history she's spending a good bit of time looking at him but not what I would call unreasonable atm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:44 am

ftr I see Norwee volunteering his n4 doc claim like he did as towny
If I'm wrong, well that's revenge for gensokyo ig

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:06 pm

lmao nice omgus

Gamma Emerald · Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:24 am

Well that certainly happened.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:48 am

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:17 am

Well PenguinPower is town so it’s between Norwee and NM for me

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:20 am

In post 2453, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2452, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well PenguinPower is town so it’s between Norwee and NM for me
Why are you town?

"for me"
anyway, I have been deliberately openwolfing a bit to make it this far, my D2 hammer was specifically engineered to look as give-up as possible, and I didn't really mind too much when you made me look bad with that hammer

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:23 am

Is there a reason NM is not on the table for you PP?
I'll be blunt, I do kinda think it's possible he's been playing nice to avoid setting people off

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:23 am

and yeah to be clear I checked penguinpower

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:30 am

that actually makes sense
VOTE: norwegianboyee

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:32 am

In post 2477, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2473, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is there a reason NM is not on the table for you PP?
I'll be blunt, I do kinda think it's possible he's been playing nice to avoid setting people off
i think his voting record is pretty town indicative. I disagree that he's been playing "nice" as in trying not to agitate anyone. He was fairly antagonistic toward jake for as much as n_m can be antagonistic. Maybe he's pocketed me, but it actually feels like he's been sorting slots and I think scum is much more likely in you/norwe.

In post 2479, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - yeah, that's why I want to start with you if I'm being honest with myself

it feels like you're letting yourself fall into the same trap you were kinda in during that PYP game with scumdrasse
that's why I checked you last night, I didn't want to repeat that debate on my end

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:32 am

In post 2484, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2481, Gamma Emerald wrote:that actually makes sense
VOTE: norwegianboyee
Are you actually ok with dying tommorow. Because we ain't doing N_M if we flip me today.

how so?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:35 am

What makes it so NM can only happen today? Because that's the only world in which your comment makes a dent. If he's off the table forever, then he's already won if he's scum, so might as well just get this over with.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:39 am

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:42 pm

I have personal history of sucking at sorting PP, so imo that was a fine check

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:11 pm

I think I have a unique angle on this game that might potentially solve things

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:13 pm

In post 1964, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 797, PenguinPower wrote:So 2 dead cops and 2 claimed cops. Curious to see where this goes.
@Gamma What do you think about Penguinpower so far?

I get a v weird vibe from this
Why did you ask this Norwee?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:17 pm

What about that post made you want that?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:20 pm

Why not say that in the first place rather than giving a smug nothingburger answer?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:34 pm

data on what?
Aren’t you the one acting like it can only be one person? The fuck you need data for?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:28 pm

In post 2538, PenguinPower wrote:Meh. Mafia isn’t conceding. They have to at least try to win.

There are so many arguments for either gamma or norwe. I’m leaning more toward gamma but want to yeet norwe anyway. I can be convinced fairly easily to let that go though.

I would almost rather go now unless you can assure me you’re going to look at NM with a close eye tomorrow if it comes to that

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:33 pm

I think the best point I can make for me being town is I am a lot more keen on seeing how people wouldn’t be aligned with my scum partners when at least one of the players in question has a certain line they wouldn’t let a scum partner cross. So me having to figure it out during Day 3 wrt ND39 and froggo doesn’t make sense for me to have done as scum.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:35 pm

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Have fun then.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:36 pm

In post 2548, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2489, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2485, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2477, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2473, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is there a reason NM is not on the table for you PP?
I'll be blunt, I do kinda think it's possible he's been playing nice to avoid setting people off
i think his voting record is pretty town indicative. I disagree that he's been playing "nice" as in trying not to agitate anyone. He was fairly antagonistic toward jake for as much as n_m can be antagonistic. Maybe he's pocketed me, but it actually feels like he's been sorting slots and I think scum is much more likely in you/norwe.

In post 2479, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - yeah, that's why I want to start with you if I'm being honest with myself
it feels like you're letting yourself fall into the same trap you were kinda in during that PYP game with scumdrasse
that's why I checked you last night, I didn't want to repeat that debate on my end
?

You'll have to refresh my memory on which game that was.
Still a thing you didn’t answer.

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=87460
This one.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:40 pm

???
Is that at me or Somnus

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:26 pm

In post 2554, PenguinPower wrote:You. And your point about scum!drasse and how it relates to here.

I’m saying you seem like you’re reading me the same way you were there (that is, wrongly) and there’s no scumdrasse to avert the whole issue

Gamma Emerald · Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:29 pm

In post 2555, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2546, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think the best point I can make for me being town is I am a lot more keen on seeing how people wouldn’t be aligned with my scum partners when at least one of the players in question has a certain line they wouldn’t let a scum partner cross. So me having to figure it out during Day 3 wrt ND39 and froggo doesn’t make sense for me to have done as scum.
Can you reword this please? I can't make head nor tail of it

If I was scum I would have sunk the logic for why the Nancy Drew kill happened in one
Instead I ended up with a bogey because I wasn’t pulling from scum POV to help process things

I can provide a link to a game where I did pull that logic out seamlessly as scum if wanted

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:39 am

In post 2573, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2564, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2555, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2546, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think the best point I can make for me being town is I am a lot more keen on seeing how people wouldn’t be aligned with my scum partners when at least one of the players in question has a certain line they wouldn’t let a scum partner cross. So me having to figure it out during Day 3 wrt ND39 and froggo doesn’t make sense for me to have done as scum.
Can you reword this please? I can't make head nor tail of it
If I was scum I would have sunk the logic for why the Nancy Drew kill happened in one
Instead I ended up with a bogey because I wasn’t pulling from scum POV to help process things

I can provide a link to a game where I did pull that logic out seamlessly as scum if wanted
Remind me of the commentary around the Nancy Drew kill

froggo made some unsavory posts towards Nancy Drew that she would not have abided were they scum partners

I did not immediately realize this upon seeing the Nancy Drew kill. My argument is I would have figured it out already as scum.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:19 am

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:03 pm

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:12 pm

I hammered Jake in part just to ensure an elim happened
Norwee's vote was not the same, as Penguin was leaning voting Bella already

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:21 pm

enchant isn't even marked town wtf

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:22 pm

oh he is for his votes, but not for his wagon

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:26 pm

hm
so the question is, what type of scum player is Jake: does he try to put buddies in town or in null?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:46 pm

In post 2624, Somnus wrote:I’m not. As I said, not_mafia isn’t getting voted today or tomorrow. He already won.

jsyk I WILL ridicule you over this if it turns out NM was scum after all
normally I wouldn't but with how much you're parading this read, it feels deserved.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:52 pm

I checked who I felt the least comfortable with my ability to read. Could it have been better chosen sure, but there WAS an internal logic to it.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:57 pm

and like why do I even claim cop as scum? If I was scum I had free reign as a result of neither of my buddies claiming any role meaningfully. While I don't think Enchant's thinking was right in practice, he had a point in theory: if possible, scum would prefer to avoid giving a check.
ftr the reason his idea was wrong was that scum also know the amount of cops and docs to start with, so after one goes down they can just claim whatever is open to be claimed without causing a full-on CC.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:58 pm

In post 2631, Somnus wrote:I guess. The problem I have with some of the cop decisions that have been made in this game is that we had one self-hammer 24 hours into the game, one that wasted it on a slot that was highly townread without having read much of the game because they were paranoid about losing to scum!me again, and one that checked a slot that was likely town for largely the same reason. If town lost this game, it isn’t because I didn’t go a perfect 12 for 12 in reading the entire playlist. That’s unreasonable and ridiculous given your voting history in his game.

Idc what my history was
if you're gonna be a smug dickhead and you're wrong about it, I'm holding it against you!

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:04 pm

In post 2598, Somnus wrote:Terrible vanity reason for me to vote Norwegian today: My end of day vote has never been on town on this site (unless it was on Days 1 and 3 in this game. Don't know yet). Well...at least when I've been town.

In post 2616, Somnus wrote:I’m not voting for Not_Mafia at this point. He’s already won, regardless of his alignment. I’d like to end this game today, ideally.

Depending on how much or how little people view the importance of meta, the 3 people who I was least familiar with going into this game were Ausuka, Nancy, and Gamma. Everyone else, I’ve either played with, read several games they’ve been in, or both. So depending on how much stock people put into familiarity, Penguin and Not_Mafia would have a better clue on Gamma than I would here.

these give me a smug vibe

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:04 pm

also the hell is this thing about post numbers?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:05 pm

In post 2637, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If i had a cop check on night 4 i wouød have checked the guy that voted town with me.
I would have checked Gamma.
If Gamma had a cop shot then why the hell didn’t they check me? Every single player in the game thinks i am scum. You’d either confirm it or make the entire game realize they need to seriously re-evaluate previous assumptions.

I was thinking you were town yesterday dipshit

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:05 pm

In post 2397, Gamma Emerald wrote:ftr I see Norwee volunteering his n4 doc claim like he did as towny
If I'm wrong, well that's revenge for gensokyo ig

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:09 pm

In post 2642, Somnus wrote:
In post 2638, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the hell is this thing about post numbers?
The sequence that you started in post 616. None of this is benefiting anyone, btw.

oh right that time you were an asshole for no reason!

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:11 pm

VOTE: norwegian
whatever

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:15 pm

that was already hammer lmao
NM + Penguin + me

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:17 pm

why not vote yourself?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:18 pm

In post 2657, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2655, Gamma Emerald wrote:why not vote yourself?
Ew, voting yourself as town?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:19 pm

a) FUCKING RICH
b) I think this is a town win because norwee talked a big fucking game about not wanting to be the game losing miselim but wasn't willing to actually ante up today

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:16 am

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:00 am

Gamma Emerald · Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:32 am

You know what, I do have one thing to say now that my alignment is not in question
There was a worse action I could have taken with my check, I could have targeted BBT