Micro 1060: Radiology Mafia [Game Over]

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I am in this game

VOTE: meg

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Aisa fishing for a reaction or are you just scum?

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Fishing for a reaction.

What did you think I was going to say? I mean this as a genuine question, not in a passive-aggressive way.

Why would you think I'm lhf instead of scum?

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i'm asking you what made you feel that way considering i had barely posted anything up to that point and i am worried you are townreading me too easily?

how hard is it to undersrand wtf

you always tell me how much you suck right?
so then i see you form thoughts and word things here similar to how you did last game (clowning)
so then its townie vibes cuz similar?!??!?

Pretty big reaction marci. Why does this frustrate you?

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Hiraki why does meg stand out?

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who said it frustrates me

If it wasn't frustration why the tone?

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VOTE: marci

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Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

I kind of got a similar SvS vibe and I think it's because both you and marci essentially brought up the same point repeatedly and neither of you seemed willing to relent. As far as arguments go I think that's one of the easier ways to fake them.

I think Juice warrants looking into more if nothing else. I'm not confident at all xe is scum but I think the way xe seems slightly selective with what xe responds to, and xyr tone would benefit from further investigation, so consider my vote there a serious one now.

Kind of a token contribution to ensure I don't get caught by the prod timer, but RL willing I will probably be around again in a couple hours.

I can't place it but you're pinging me.

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I think my rxn test went very well though - lots of juicy protein

Which part was a test, bud? From here it looks like you're trying to handwave away some anti town behavior.

Especially when you say it was a reaction test and don't give us any idea as to your takeaways. You got lots of meat you say but you're just letting it rot? That doesn't jibe with a townie mindset.

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UNVOTE:

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Hiraki likely town. I only felt it before. After that thorough analysis I'm fairly convinced. It's hard to fake that many thoughts on a chunk like that.

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VOTE: juice

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Juice is obvious at this point right. Let's just move on.

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Just the hiraki read.

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I'd like to know why juice? You didn't get at them specifically in your catch up.

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Yes, your heart lies.

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I think carrot face may be town

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I think carrot face may be town

1. Happy scumday!
2. Who... who is carrot face?!

By the way, I will unironically write a haiku for anyone who can understands how to read marci and can explain it to me. If a haiku is not attractive enough I could be persuaded to do a whole sonnet or even an MS paint doodle xx

Sorry that was spose to be marci. Fingers slipped.

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1. I don't think the rabbit is town right now.
2. Just a feeling I get from her being so talkative and combative.

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I forgot we had 2. Both actually. Or if more than 2, all.

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I'm not getting town pings from anyone really except maybe marci, maybe ausuka. Maybe not ausuka. I don't know. It's lame but aisa's initial post day 1 still grates on me as does her answer to my question abt why she assumed I'm scum seemed over wrought and deflective or something. I can't recall for sure and can't be arsed to go look rn.

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I don't think nka is particularly useful and I kinda scum read rad for it

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I'm not getting town pings from anyone really except maybe marci, maybe ausuka. Maybe not ausuka. I don't know. It's lame but aisa's initial post day 1 still grates on me as does her answer to my question abt why she assumed I'm scum seemed over wrought and deflective or something. I can't recall for sure and can't be arsed to go look rn.

Yes these are two separate thoughts

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I can't really engage in full right now but didn't you say ausuka that my iso was terrible? It sounds like you don't really think so?

I hadn't really taken in aisa's recent posting, well haven't, but I will and think about it. I kinda just closed over it before which sometimes happens when there's complex thought or the appearance of such. I haven't even fully examined your recent posting but I saw the rad aisa question and it struck me on the surface if that makes sense.

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Oh yeah I guess it is scum day. Aisa must be ahead of me. I saw that post last night and it threw me. Thanks aisa!

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Have you ever heard of a tone read or a vibe read (<3)? I think this is the worst post of the bunch and seems pretty forced. Ausuka Feels Deliberately Tunnelly: The Sequel.

And yeah, obviously I've heard of a tone read. That doesn't mean I'm just going to accept any read and not question it. It's absolutely possible that RR is town here and I just don't understand their angle. But given how simple Herta's post is, I think claiming to townread it is scum indicative. It makes it seem more likely they are tailoring the evidence to fit the reads rather than the other way around.

Wait which part of mine? I need context.

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I also know my main. Now everyone can be on the same page.

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Well I am adorable and he isn't .. so there's that.

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What pressure Johnny?

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oh lol true

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Actually I don't have any votes so I guess that's +town for Johnny for not knowing that.

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I don't know why the push on Juice was bad other than it was wrong. So if someone could explain that I'd appreciate it.

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Sorry I'm not feeling this game. Or mafia in general really right now.

I'm not getting the nuances that are being pointed out regarding ausuka by aisa and radical rat. I'm also not getting ausuka's positions on aisa and radical rat fwiw. My eyes are just glazing over at some of these posts. It does appear that aisa and radical rat are not necessarily tied but in the same ballpark? It feels that way anyway and makes me lean toward voting one of them.

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I'm paying an intense grand of minesweeper. Thought I'd take a break and catch my breath.

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Overall its alright I guess. I could see scum!marci making that in defense but I do also think it can be town.

This is an awfully wishy washy answer. Or noncommittal I guess. I was waiting for Aisa to post to see if it was brought up.

Maybe I'm missing something and that's why it wasn't pointed out?

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Just a pop in. I'm not feeling the two wagons.

Marci who should I vote other than rad rat?

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Marci and Rad Rat were at e-2 for days. With no movement there I think scum must be other than {marci, Rad Rat, herta}. So that leaves Meg, Johnny, Ausuka, Aisa.

I don't think Ausuka and Aisa are paired, same with meg & ausuka. The Ausuka unvote of Johnny seems bad to put marci on e-1.

I can't seem to get my head around something.

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I guess marci isn't. That makes me wonder about ausuka's marci vote now.

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FWIW I will be around at least up to ~1 hours before deadline and will hammer whoever. Tis true that Johnny is lacking votes at the moment, but like, we can change that, a few of us have expressed willingness to vote him.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
There you go. Let's see what he says. I will go distract myself for a couple hours now but I will have analysis tonight I promise, elim me if I don't!!

This post reads vibes scummy to me. Like I really dislike it.

Probably too late to start a new wagon but we'll see.

VOTE: aisa

Pedit: neat

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Why is it a good vote meg?

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VOTE: Herta

Does anyone think this would be a bad vote?
Does anyone think this would live until endgame?

So you don't think I'll make it to endgame so kill herta now? I don't understand that.

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I will give intent.

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I guess a claim doesn't matter now.

VOTE: marci

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We actually have 11 hours. Where did you get your number from meg?

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I was going to wait then I saw your time left, which is what I thought it was. Oh well.

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I'll start unless there's a reason not to

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I'm actually pretty sure who I wanna vote though

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Actually not sure what a mess claim does here but whatever

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I'm vt also

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You're next meg

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Meg why did you track me when Hiraki was already dead?

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I see. The backup thing. Nvm.

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Role Cop on Ausuka
Role Watcher on Radical Rat

Err wait. What's this?

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I see. Multitasking. That seems pretty wow to be able to shoot your entire load in one night.

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OKay sorry for the string but I'd think the Radiologist would perform the test and the Technologist interpret it. Did you know that Hiraki was the Radiologist before the flip?

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1. I got caught up in a game of minesweeper and needed ot rest from it.

2. It looked like Ausuka waited until someone unvoted marci to vote marci. That led me to thinking marci and ausuka might be partnered, and ausuka was trying to distance a bit.

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Spoiler:

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Prodding JohnnyFarrar and Herta. They have until the end of day deadline to post before I seek a replacement.

Deadlines

This phase will end on September 9, 2022 8:00 PM CDT (GMT-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-09-09 20:00:00).

I didn't get a prod from you.

I have no idea who scum is. I think Aisa is one. I'm not on board with the clear the Meg seems to think they has. I'm going to be an easy lim here most likely so sorry. I just don't feel this game right now, and I don't think anyone else does either.

Apologies to Ircher. I did get a prod on this account, which is the account I should have gotten a prod on.

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I will case this week. I'm not going to go down without effort here.

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If that's the metric we're going by go ahead an vote.

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I mean somehow you and aisa are absolved because you voted with just a few hours left? I don't understand the thinking there.

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Right. So you and aisa coming in with just a few hours left rather than me coming in a bit later during twilight and seeing a hammer shows what exactly?

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I think you came in with 4 hours left and it's oh shit the deadline. Like you didn't know there was one. Actually 1 minute before aisa votes. And somehow I'm supposed to believe that scum doesn't bus there? Actually scum probably lets it ride and sees if I do come in and hammer.

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That heavily points to aisa in my eyes then.

Just don't vote yet please.

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I think you came in with 4 hours left and it's oh shit the deadline. Like you didn't know there was one. Actually 1 minute before aisa votes. And somehow I'm supposed to believe that scum doesn't bus there? Actually scum probably lets it ride and sees if I do come in and hammer.

Actually 1 minute after sorry.

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Who is "they" here? And if it's aisa why wouldn't a scum!aisa figure that the two town _are_ going to come in and hammer johnny? When is the last time you saw a no lim in elo?

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I'd rather not bet the game on what happened in the last 4 hours of the day so I'm just gonig to drop this for now.

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Yeah. That leads me back to aisa, who I've been suspicious of all game. More so than you anyway.

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marci why did you change your pfp!

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1. I got caught up in a game of minesweeper and needed ot rest from it.

Eep, maybe I'm just dense, but I am still not sure if minesweeper is supposed to be a metaphor for something or if you were literally playing minesweeper the logic game?

2. It looked like Ausuka waited until someone unvoted marci to vote marci. That led me to thinking marci and ausuka might be partnered, and ausuka was trying to distance a bit.

Ok. My point was
First you said "I dislike Ausuka putting marci at E-1"
then it was pointed out that marci was not at E-1, and you said "I dislike Ausuka waiting for marci not to be at E-1 to vote there".

That's not always a problem, but the change of opinion was what I was hoping you would comment on :3

Nightmare scenario for me, only clear
I'm leaning towards one of herta/johnny rather than ausuka/aisa

...Being the only clear in 5p elo is the spice of life?

Spoiler: fun

One of my favourite teachers once told us something very similar to your previous sig (that imperfection is the spice of life) and it is to me still one of the most memorable things the man ever said.

Who would you vote between Herta and Johnny, Meg?

aisa

Minesweeper the windows game, yes. I play a lot. What would it be a metaphor for? I mean what would you think it would be a metaphor for?

What change of opinion were you wanting my comment on? Ausuka's on marci? I need to look at that if so. I mean I don't even know if I had a thought about it other than mechanically I didn't like it. It just looked convenient. And even if I did have a thought on it at the time I don't think I could get beyond that marci flipped green, and the whole thing was me thinking scum!ausuka was voting scum!marci at e-2. Which the more I think of it the dumber I am for thinking that. I don't think a scum partner would put their partner on e-2 at that point. There was no need to. It's possibly scum motivated I guess, but like trace scum maybe.

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i kind of think that is +scum? like, it's definitely something town *could* think but it also seems like the kinda waffly stuff scum tend to love

why does scum make this post a day before deadline?

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Ah, I actually want to mention this: maybe we should worry about Johnny going down a little too easily here? What do people think scum is likely to want in this gamestate? If scum are the right people they actually don't need to effort very hard here and have this in the bag.

Wait for it...
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Yes, I'm here to discuss Meg possibly being the mastermind behind it all xx

Here's a defense of johnny right after that which makes sense coming from scum.

it's clear I've got work to do.

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Fun times

Can I check that I understand your argument correctly Herta?

I think you came in with 4 hours left and it's oh shit the deadline. Like you didn't know there was one. Actually 1 minute before aisa votes. And somehow I'm supposed to believe that scum doesn't bus there? Actually scum probably lets it ride and sees if I do come in and hammer.

That heavily points to aisa in my eyes then.

Just don't vote yet please.

Actually 1 minute after sorry.

Are you saying that you think Ausuka didn't know there was a deadline because of the "oh shit 4 hours left" post?
If not I'm confused as to whether you're arguing that I am *more* likely to be scum for voting Johnny when I did.

Yeah. That leads me back to aisa, who I've been suspicious of all game. More so than you anyway.

If you've been suspicious of me all game is there a reason you didn't do much about it?
I mean, I understand that you tried to push me at the end of Day 2 and that you just haven't been that engaged in the game for parts of it. I guess my criticism is specifically that you made a lot of posts along the lines of "this is not the vibes" and the way I think about talking to other players is that you've got to give them *something* that helps them, and "this is not the vibes" is just a bit subjective.

Ididn't really push anyone so not just you. Day 1 I thought I was just overreacting to your first post and response. DAys 2 and 3 I had suspicions but no ambition to flesh them out. I came into one of those days, I think the elo day, thinking I wanted to vote you and I don't remember why I didn't. Probably because it was elo. And then I was paranoid of meg's "clear" so I was really waffling. Yeah it's kind a coming back now. Yes it was elo and I wasn't up to casing anyone so I didn't follow up on my suspicions on either you or meg and it didn't seem like anyone cared to play anyway so apathy.

And yes I do think aususka coming in and voting after you points more to you being scum because ausuka would be like "I'm just going to let it go. if herta comes he comes if not gg."

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I would like a response to 611 too.

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Marci and Rad Rat were at e-2 for days. With no movement there I think scum must be other than {marci, Rad Rat, herta}. So that leaves Meg, Johnny, Ausuka, Aisa.

I don't think Ausuka and Aisa are paired, same with meg & ausuka. The Ausuka unvote of Johnny seems bad to put marci on e-1.

I can't seem to get my head around something.

I guess marci isn't. That makes me wonder about ausuka's marci vote now.

You're talking about these two posts? I need to read that sequence.

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dumb af reasoms by ausuka

dumb af reasoms by ausuka

VOTE: marci

Marci and Rad Rat were at e-2 for days. With no movement there I think scum must be other than {marci, Rad Rat, herta}. So that leaves Meg, Johnny, Ausuka, Aisa.

I don't think Ausuka and Aisa are paired, same with meg & ausuka. The Ausuka unvote of Johnny seems bad to put marci on e-1.

I can't seem to get my head around something.

Yeah I'm not sure what I was thinking there although I did agree with marci that the vote on her by ausuka (I keep spelling it wrong sorry) was bad for the post that ausuka quoted.

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even dumber rzns

Actually I should've quoted this because it was the one I agreed with. I don't remember what reasons marci was referring to in the first post.

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wrt the deadline I can see you thinking that from a town pov so I can't overcome that. I really do think it all but clears you the more I think about it. I wish I was better at developing these thoughts earlier on.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote aisa but I need to take a breath first.

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There's so much you got wrong with what you posted aisa and I'm pretty sure it was intentional at this point. I'll flesh it out when I get to it.

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I mean you're working hard to get ausuka to vote me but not sorting ausuka at all.

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I think this should be formalized.

VOTE: aisa

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Going to try to get to this this afternoon or evening. Just haven't felt like playing. I will say I seem to be getting respect for my scum game here, which is completely misplaced as I'm sure those in the dead thread are probably on about. I'm completely transparent scum.

But I'll address aisa's stuff and ausuka you had something you wanted me to comment on too I'll get to that when I feel up to it.

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I'm trying to get up to this.

With regard to juice, people have said my push was bad, including you Ausuka, but no one has set out why it was bad. In fact, I asked earlier in the game for someone to tell me why it was bad but no one did. If my push on Juice was bad, why did others vote them out also, and are you conflating bad with being wrong? Is it the difference between being anti-town (which we didn't know until after the fact) or scummy? I have a hard time with people retconning what Juice did there? Even the self-hammer was scummy. So if you want to say my treatment of Juice was bad, I just disagree. What was bad was my treatment of marci probably. I should have pushed her more so that she would show town. In fact I need to go back and look at the marci wagon again. Regardless I need to hammer there so that there was a hammer and someone was limmed, and I though Meg's countdown was the day;'s countdown, which was dumb of me when there's a vc countdown on the same page but whatever.



And yes I

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I had another thought there but I lost it thus the "and yes I"

I'll do more later.

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Yeah that would be pretty bold as sucm to do that.

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And I can't answer you about night kills. I defer to partners to make them and when I do I think random kills are best so that town makes up their own reasons. It's why I stay away from night kill analysis for the most part. They're not reliable indicators to me of who is scum.

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Until elo I guess. I was not going to get night killed last night.

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I can't seem to quote 638 correctly but there aisa repeats that Juice was an easy push. Okay was it scummy because it was easy or was it scummy for some other reason? And when someone was playing as anti-town as Juice was why was it scummy at all? No one could have known Juice was going to self-hammer, but doing so is indicative of the frame of mind Juice was in when going through that whole reaction test thing. There was no town motivation in that whatsoever near as I can tell.

I just have to disagree with you the more I look at it ausuka. What I said was with about as much confidence as I've ever had on a player I was pretty sure was maf. If I were scum I sure wouldn't have attacked juice, voted him and encouraged other votes on him so boldly.

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internal note
aisa has me on the defensive so my time is being eaten up there instead of casing her.

be back later

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I thought I said I'd be back but maybe not. Good jobs mafs.