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VOTE: Elements

Bonjour

You beat me to it! :O
VOTE: Elements

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owo
VOTE: NK15

I was thinking along the same lines
VOTE: NK15

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No picture

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Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture

ooooo
UNVOTE:

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The vote was because they had no picture.
MegAzumaril gave there lack of picture a mysterious reason.
Now the lack of picture becomes meaningful, undermining my reason to vote.
Hence unvote

VOTE: Roden

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Do you usually move your vote this often early on?

yes

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Interesting.

What's interesting?

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The vote was because they had no picture.
MegAzumaril gave there lack of picture a mysterious reason.
Now the lack of picture becomes meaningful, undermining my reason to vote.
Hence unvote

VOTE: Roden

I don’t like this

please, tell me more

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what's so unacceptable about my vote?

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that was why I voted him, yes

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not because I have a problem with him questioning me, just that he did

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Because I wasn't voting anyone and it's page 2

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No one ever does

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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lmfao

<3

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I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

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I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

Are you trying to do anything with this post? Don't elaborate if yes. If no, you should be unable to elaborate.

I will not elaborate for one of the above reasons

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I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

You TR Gamma yet still vote for the slot?

Yes

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VOTE: hutmeil

VOTE: hutmeil

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Why do you see me as town here?

You feel relaxed and have good vibes

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Above The Line

Roden
ProfessorDrapion
Not Known 15
Fredrick A Campbell
MegAzumarill
------------------------------------ The Line
Gamma Emerald
hutmeil
Malakittens

Below The Line

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Idk if you're trying to defend your skill here but I'm not saying anything about how you're playing, it's how you're talking. In the Micro you do seem different there, you're less wordy and I don't get the feeling you're reading over your posts before you hit submit.

I don't think 82 and 84 read like they've been read over. Maybe a bit wordy but explaining gut reads be like that.
82 and 84 are the important post coz they're actual thoughts, the rest is like, yea sure it's more read over but it's also defensive so that's kinda what you expect

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The attack on drapion

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But you have Roden as your top pick?
What about gamma's push on drapion did you dislike as compared to roden?

The groupings aren't ordered

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Ok that makes more sense, although question still stands of the difference

Rodan's comments don't read to me like an attack. It's more of a meta-based comment on style of play that doesn't really say anything.

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Yes Gamma, because nothing changes

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No

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I fully disagree with your thoughts on Drapion. I don't think they're hedging anything.

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Above The Line

Roden
ProfessorDrapion
Not Known 15
Fredrick A Campbell
MegAzumarill
------------------------------------ The Line
Gamma Emerald
hutmeil
Malakittens

Below The Line

Why am I below the line?

You're existing pseudo-passivly. Your pokes into the game haven't lead anywhere, like you're doing them just to seem like you're doing something without caring what the response is

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Sure thing my dude

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you're not flipping today

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Lots to read lots to read something about E-1
UNVOTE:
I shall return this evening

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Yeah ok my vote is going back on that slot
VOTE: MathBlade
Love being scumread for an RVS unvote and a "bad reaction"

At this point my views have changed and I think (in no particular order) Gamma, MegA, Drapion and Campbell are in my town bucket.

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can someone tell me what this bad reaction was?

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brilliant

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VOTE: frederick e campbell
ok this is actually scum
mala vote is cheap, sus on me is cheap too

Makes me think math could be CL

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@math
If most-everyone scumreads me why are you the only one voting me?
I might have things to say about your read on me if it wasn't literally just that I unvoted NK after a throwaway comment from Meg on page 1

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Idk if anything would persuade me to change my vote at this point

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Looks like I was wrong
VOTE: notknown15

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What's cult leadery about not voting in your first post?

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sorry kids i've had a very busy day today, I'll catch up tomorrow!

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Are they CL? My thoughts

MegAzumarill - Interesting. I started off thinking there was no way Meg could be CL but looking through their iso there are a lot of times Meg has said what Drapion is doing is scummy and that they're not town reading Drapion for it but never putting a read into words. Then later when getting to the end of the day phase with so much pressure still on Drapion, flipping to scumming Drapion.

Malakittens - idk. Could be CL trying to just survive the first 1 or 2 days? Could also just be town. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.

Roden - I don't think was scum on day 1. I do think this could have been the recruit slot last night.

MathBlade - Not CL

Fredrick A Campbell - Little to no interaction with Drapion. Calls Drapion town in 296 then says fre doesn't think Drapion's early game is alignment indicative in 305. Neither Drapion or Campbell interacted with each other at all on day one but both called the other one town. At this point this is my best bet for CL

Gamma Emerald - Not CL

Not Known 15 - Pushed Drapion all day 1.

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

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Every interaction Math seems to have is him saying something about someone, them disagreeing, and him still saying that's what happened. I don't understand

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@catboi is gamma not voting for me?

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Spoiler:

We all can say with confidence that Mathblade isn't CL.
So Mathblade was Town Day 1.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is " I think X but". We saw this on Drapion, who flipped Cult.

Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.

My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.

This read way too honest for me. This reads to me like Drapion had a plan to be TR’d early and Drapion is one of those too honest scum that doesn’t know yet how to highlight which points of scum to highlight and which not. This makes me think that Drapion will have never voted the cult leader.

Yeah no. That assessment is actually made out of thin air. All rests on the unsubstantiated "Drapion is one of those too honest scum"; and even if it was honest it might have been something Drapion wanted to

avoid doing

because they knew it.

I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.

I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.

This is some next level BS because this rests on "there was a bus" which we have no credible evidence for. It took a lot for Drapion to be limmed.
The "elements is town" case is, again, made out of thin air.

Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.

This very much reads to me like Drapion’s CL had the intention of converting me and then driving that bus into the ground. Let’s look at the prior post Drapion had.

Why would Math assume that the CL would try to convert them? Maybe because it succeeded?

Now comes the question of who Roden would convert.

If they tried me and failed they would know they would need to buddy me. Especially if they think I am the inconvertible Townie.

This really matches his open and why I wanted to back off and give space to see if someone else was a convert target.

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

VOTE: Roden

This is again, Math's scum bullshit mode meta.
This rests on the assumption that Roden failed to convert(something that is not likely from the position of a VT). It also rests on "no one else has been converted".

If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.

The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.

Backed up by exactly nothing.

VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.

Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?

Ditto here tbh

Agreed on bad vibe. I don’t think Elements can be CL though

But if a wagon forms again with TRs I will follow onto it like Drapion

Mainly I kinda don’t think any wagon except Fred is on a potential CL candidate though :/

So I am just blah.

We have to remove the CL. So this is a soft defense of Elements.
That isn't the only telling thing though, here!
Remember what Math said before?

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

But if that thing would give them a bad vibe, and element isn't CL, they could be the convert, right?
However, Mathblade never backs down from that theory:

I didn't take back a read on you. Like there's nothing else to say here, what you're seeing here is a completely foreign interpretation of what actually happened.

What I'm understanding is that because I didn't unvote Hutmeil after you replaced in, you think that I scum read you as well. If that's the case, that's something I can understand. If not, I don't know what to say, I can't argue with something that I know didn't happen.

Repeating this repeatedly is toxic af to the game

I will just go after you tomorrow when we don’t flip the CL today because we cant

Well, that was not what I was expecting....
but Mathblade has spewed themselves as the convert... and Elements as Cult Leader.
Every time Mathblade said loads of massive BS it was when scum-pushing someone, with one exception. Elements.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is also telling us that Elements is Mathblade's CL: Math is trying to establish a thought progression here, but on Day 1 Math said:

180 is how I form reads

Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are

So I make hypothesis and test them

I was evidently wrong on that one post (458) coming from town.
VOTE: Elements

It's amazing how someone can conf. bias themselves into a particular viewpoint. That or Fred is CL and 15 is the convert trying to get the wagon off them.

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And I would've recruited Meg

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And I would've recruited Meg

Why so?

you're well read and wouldn't have to change your stance on me

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No one says 423 about their own CL after being recruited.
And given I'm not CL I know your deductions are just wrong

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how?

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This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.

I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.

Rest I haven’t read

This is a scummy post.

how?

Me:Scumcase against Math,pointing to Elements as scum, too.
Math:"I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed "
Does this look like a town reaction to you?

Yes...

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I feel like I'm falling off a bit this game, sorry

I don't want to vote Elements because of their D1 play and interactions with other players, I just don't get the vibe that they're the CL. However I don't really have a compelling case besides my vibe read. Meanwhile NK15's case seems genuine, it clashes with my read but I think I could just be wrong on Elements. NK15 is town by meta, so I'm willing to follow him here since I do feel like Mala's been townier today anyway.

VOTE: Elements

VOTE: Malakittens
Guess it's betten me and mala now then

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So when I flip town where are all your minds going to be at?

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I think Fred is CL and has recruited either Rodan or 15

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VT

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VOTE: Malakittens
I got a very bad feeling about limming Elements atm.

why the sudden change of heart?
UNVOTE:

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I don't want someone to come in and hammer before there's been a chance to explain

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15 has been heavily pushing for my elim and now decides there's something wrong with it. I want to know why

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Anyone else think that Fred is just sort of sitting here agreeing with things but not actually doing anything beyond that or is that just me being tunnel visioned?

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I'm not gonna be back before the end of the day so and I'm not gonna vote myself so
VOTE: Mala
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GG, 'twas a fun game