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I mean, I've been paying attention to the game but I haven't been completely there until now
I'm building up on reads right now. I don't particularly remember much of what Titus has been saying, so I can't really make a blanket statement on if I agree or not, and I'd rather finish my readslist in the background before I am confronted with a "Do you agree with this" statement"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Also it's a statistical "rule" that I don't think ever held any meaningful basis, and many scum players who are aware of it have been known to purposefully violate it anyway because it throws people off who follow it religiously"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Here's my gut take
Town:
Lukewarm
Klick
Titus
Roden
Mastina
Ausuka
fireisredsir
PenguinPower
Andresvmb
petapan
Uncrowned
RCEnigma
Ydrasse
Nero Cain
Something_Smart
Nothing:
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Vivax
Ircher
furtiveglance
Malakittens"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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In post 635, Vivax wrote:
Looks oddly like Berserk. It's the type of story that disappoints the readers, maybe cause it wasn't the actual author who finished it.
It's Bastard!!
I watch a LOT of trash
This is trash"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I'll wait for nero to confirm vivax was who he was concerned about because I have no clue who he scumreads aside from Ircher
Follow-up though
Ircher is widely scumread. It seems bizarre to me that one of your thoughts upon reading my readslist is such an absurdly Nero-centric take
Is vivax such a wildly uncommon scumread at this point in the game that something weird is going on if I scumread these 2 people, and also 2 other people, and have Nero low down in my town pile?
You have claimed the same thought process as Nero here. It makes sense as to why it would come from him but since you've agreed with him I'd like you to be the one to explain your working"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I'd ask how exactly I've read this poorly, but I'd much rather you leave furtive to drown here because he claimed to be thinking the same thing as a point you made that didn't really make any sense to come from any POV other than yours"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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So, does that mean you think Nero has articulated the reads better and it's weird that I am just following them, or is your point entirely designed to try and put things back on me to distract from how your reasoning in agreeing with Nero didn't make sense from your point of view?In post 644, furtiveglance wrote:
I'd accept it if you explained any of your own working, a 'gut take' is surely a simple read on what's happening. I'm either scum pushing town!Ircher, or town pushing town, or town pushing scum. Unless you want to argue that we're both scum?In post 638, jjh927 wrote:I'll wait for nero to confirm vivax was who he was concerned about because I have no clue who he scumreads aside from Ircher
Follow-up though
Ircher is widely scumread. It seems bizarre to me that one of your thoughts upon reading my readslist is such an absurdly Nero-centric take
Is vivax such a wildly uncommon scumread at this point in the game that something weird is going on if I scumread these 2 people, and also 2 other people, and have Nero low down in my town pile?
You have claimed the same thought process as Nero here. It makes sense as to why it would come from him but since you've agreed with him I'd like you to be the one to explain your working"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Think you're right here actuallyIn post 655, fireisredsir wrote:i mean so was he, you were both just talking past each other
look again, he's talking about your read on him"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Is there an issue with having him continue to dangle close to being elimed while we look at other shit?In post 663, Klick wrote:
yes?In post 646, Nero Cain wrote:
no?In post 643, Klick wrote:We should either hammer Ircher or move on imo"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I don't think you're getting that the answer is "I don't know yet"In post 669, furtiveglance wrote:
What do you think the gamestate is? Is Ircher being miseliminated or bussed? You're trying to have it both ways.In post 668, furtiveglance wrote:
I was asking how your reads made sense, not defending myself. I still don't know what line you're pushing with this post. You can just call me scum no matter what I say if you want, and never explain your reads, I'm sure it'll go down well.In post 662, jjh927 wrote:I mean, this aside, it's still pretty scummy that you would immediately jump in and try to defend yourself with "But I can't be scum because I scumread Ircher" who might not even actually be scum"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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For the record, I have read your list of reads, both while just keeping up and also while rereading the whole game a couple of hours back.
But yeah, generally speaking, your scumreads look entirely observational in nature and you don't seem to have made an effort to verify that. Ircher being absent makes that understandable to an extent but I'd feel better if you'd had a meaningful interaction with Roden somewhere"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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1: That's a bit of an arbitrary one. Can't really answer that in a meaningful way.In post 678, furtiveglance wrote:
This is definitely a hot scenario, and I wish I had a cool flavour name like 'Inspector Clipboard', but alas it wasn't to be.In post 674, jjh927 wrote:You hope others will townread you because of your reads, draw attention to them as a defence, and generally seem more preoccupied with ticking that "thing that town players do" box rather than using it as a tool to spur conversation and more accurately place people
At the base level, you appear to prioritise being townread over gaining information with which to eliminate scum.
I have some questions for you (which I think you will struggle to answer, so partly rhetorical):
What is missing from my ISO (non-reads content) that other players have?
When have I drawn attention to my reads as a defence this game?
How does one usually gain the information with which one eliminates scum?
2. It's kinda my main take out of that argument we had where we both missed each other's points. Your scumread of Ircher is at the crux of that argument no matter how your shake it.
3. We're doing it right now. This kind of conversation. Observation is no replacement for getting stuck right into it"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Ah, so to clarify, my "gut" is a remnant of a very lazy playstyle I used for a period that I've integrated into my current playstyle. It's my thoughts on the matter without tangibly putting those thoughts into words. Near enough my subconscious"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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If people are ultimately more convinced by something else later than the thing we're thinking now that's fine.
Don't get held back by the idea that we could be correct right now. We also might not be. Getting the most info possible and being as confident as possible that we can lim scum day 1 is the goal."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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You literally did just come in and say
"Mastina's reads are bad!"
"Well actually I don't mean all of her reads, just her read on me."
Did you know you have a wagon with like 9 people on it and a bunch of the people who aren't on it also think you're probably scum"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I mean, one thing I haven't seen discussed on a strategic level is the idea that if we were all mafia-playing robots and not people with varying skill levels, optimal play would probably be for everyone with a PR to do 0% on day 1 so that they have 100% banked for using power roles, and we just bite the bullet of the probably two extra kills in N1.
Not all players are equal though so this would cause things to tank on a dayplay level"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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But anyway, Mastina declaring 0% is absolutely town indicative because no matter what- Mastina made that decision with thought behind it. Scum!Mastina avoids fakeclaims, especially in a situation like this where there's so many unknowns that could unravel it. And if Mastina was scum, declaring any percentage would be a fakeclaim that might become unraveled."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I don't think you've considered the range of possibilities that would lead to scum potentially being caught lying about productivity numbers if they make shit up now
Though it depends on what exactly is contained within a scum PM, at the moment we are assuming that only town do anything with productivity numbers.
What if there is a hypothetical role that could determine someone's productivity in the previous phase? How would it respond if it targeted scum? Nobody knows, because it's hypothetical, but it's at least moderately likely given it's not a very far-fetched role design in relation to the mechanic
I can tell you that if Mastina was scum, she would certainly have considered a similar line of reasoning before claiming to put in 0%"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I mean, I don't doubt many of my reads there are wrong. The point is that I'll be right by the end of the day if you give me time.In post 784, Vivax wrote:Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.
I also never actually got paragon. My theory is that people who get paragon don't die on night 1 as much as me so they get to solve more games"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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Why would she lock herself into it before the night phase has even begun?In post 785, Lukewarm wrote:I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle- jjh927
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I mean, I want to get as much possible right on day 1 because this is how I can maximise my influence on the game and increase the chances of a town win
It's less important in a large because I'm not so arrogant as to assume I'm just the automatic nightkill, but shit happens for sure when I put in the effort in a mini"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle - jjh927
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