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[ProfessorDrapion]

Professor, for when you're around, what do you think of Ger's slot?

I’m gonna stay with the town read but I am losing some doubt.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Okay. Professor, what was your claim yesterday? I can’t find it.

Backup Doctor
Today I am also a Backup Doctor

[MalcolmTucker]

Okay. Professor, what was your claim yesterday? I can’t find it.

Any thoughts this turn? What do you make of my Ger/Kitty read? How does Wayward turning out to be town affect your read on the game?

[Porkens]

Reasonable questions, I’ll try to answer after work.

[NJAC]

Dude TF is NJAC’s post “oh do you think there isn’t 1 wolf in an 11 player game”
Dude if there was 1 wolf in an 11 player game I’d feel bad for the 1 wolf.

VOTE: NJAC

What the eff are you talking about? Nobody is suggesting that there's only 1 scum in this game.

If you're not faking this then, with all due respect, I strongly suggest you to improve your reading comprehension.

[NJAC]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

[NJAC]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

Agree. Not sure about Kitty, though.

Why is Shidaji in your PoE?

[NJAC]

I strongly believe ger is town.

I think Crescent's case on Gera is solid. Their contradictions here do not make sense as town. Moving my vote before going to sleep.

VOTE: Geraintm

That’s a scummy fucking vote.

What do people think of these posts? On the one hand they feel a bit too obvious for Porkens and Gera to be teammates. Scum would typically be more subtle. But from Porkens' game so far I'm not exactly sure subtlety is something they really do. The second post here feels like an overreaction; why does Porkens, as someone who admitted themselves struggled with reads, have such a strong townread and visceral reaction to a vote on a player who is notoriously difficult to read confidently in D1?

Yeah, I think I agree with you here. However I think you should ask this directly to Porkens.

@Porkens please answer this.

[NJAC]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

#
you voted off a towie, you dont get to make town blocs

Your play style sucks!

LOL +1

[ProfessorDrapion]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

Agree. Not sure about Kitty, though.

Why is Shidaji in your PoE?

Why is he not in the PoE and why isn’t Kitty town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I agree with Salsa on those and you don’t.
I also think you can be a wolf and have a likely chance on flipping such.

[ProfessorDrapion]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

i would have expected more of an effort from their partners if they were scum to get another wagon going. i dont think they are going to flip red

Gun to your head who do you think is scum in Galron's wagon?

Also why do you talk in plural, do you think there are more than two scum?

For some reason I thought this said less, my bad yeah I didn’t read it properly.

[ProfessorDrapion]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

I second Galron!Town I like how they reacted to the pressure on them and their later posts felt Townie.

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geraintm

(2): Salsabil Faria, NJAC

Galron

(1): KittyTacky

Shiidaji

(1): ProfessorDrapion

Not Voting

(5): geraintm, MalcolmTucker, Porkens, Galron, Shiidaji

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-28 19:17:00).

[Shiidaji]

Rereading with no scum flips always felt more like homework than fun detective work Had a moment of weakness where I started suspecting Malcolm pretty hard due to his shift in read on Ger and the votepost on Ger where he agrees with Cres's case. But I see where his changed early read on ger happened.

[NJAC]

Yeah, I know but I'm not confirming anything.... when saw the flip, immediately 3 names came to mind who are in my town block atm, so the rests are in my POE.

Did

Crescent

townread

Shiidaji

?

Crescent didn't seem to have too many thoughts on Shii.

I need to read the ISOs again...
I was hoping to see

Professor

dead as per their claim tbh, but scum didn't kill a supposed PR but non-PR

Crescent

.... usually means they were caught scum or on the right track.

I was initially thinking something in those lines. However I'm now considering that if Professor is indeed town, it's not necessarily scum's biggest threat, considering a backup PR is basically a VT until the original PR dies. So Professor still being alive doesn't necessarily mean he's scum.

[Galron]

Prof if you don't want to talk about it okay but I'm seeing a pattern.

[geraintm]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

i suppose i subconsciously assumed galron was town, but i shouldnt have. i think i assume everyone is town for too long until given evidence (excepting Malcolm of course)
you could make the argument that a long wagon that gets cast aside in favour of one that ends up on town (and another minor one that is also town [me]) could make that slot more likely to be scum.

i should go back and reread galron's posts.

[geraintm]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

I'd argue Salsa and Shii were the two key switches onto Wayward which essentially killed off Galron's wagon. But I don't particularly scumread either of them and their reasoning were solid.

Myself and NJAC voted for Ger around that time too, which was the third possible wagon, but again our votes were reasonable based on what went before. Who specifically do you think is implicating from the Galron wagon withering away?

you can scum read people for their actions, even if they don't sound scummy.
need to check their votes on wayward (and others) and what their reasoning was and how badly their stink

[MalcolmTucker]

Ger, do you have any scumreads at all? You don't even seem to be pushing me this turn.

[MalcolmTucker]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

I'd argue Salsa and Shii were the two key switches onto Wayward which essentially killed off Galron's wagon. But I don't particularly scumread either of them and their reasoning were solid.

Myself and NJAC voted for Ger around that time too, which was the third possible wagon, but again our votes were reasonable based on what went before. Who specifically do you think is implicating from the Galron wagon withering away?

you can scum read people for their actions, even if they don't sound scummy.
need to check their votes on wayward (and others) and what their reasoning was and how badly their stink

You can, but my point is I'm struggling to see the scum motivation for the move away from Galron to Wayward at the moment. Several of the players who eventually voted for Wayward (myself included, albeit I didn't like the wagon and only hammered) would have also accepted a vote on Galron had that been where we settled. Unless they were bluffing I'm not seeing the scum motive there at the moment.

[geraintm]

After reading from page 26, I'm having a scenario in my mind.
What if

Crescent

&

Wayward

are scums & scum!

Crescent

is trying to save their partner here by creating another counter wagon on town!

geraintm

. As town-flip on

Galron

will directly point towards scum!

Wayward

, scum!

Crescent

don't have choice to start another counter wagon on another one (a little tin foil theory:

Wayward

can be a scum PR). In this case town!

geraintm

is a safe option for them because other players aren’t sure about

geraintm

and their play style is quite similar as both alignment & scum!

Crescent

know this pretty well to fabricate the scumread on them +

geraintm

entered the game by drawing attention towards

Crescent

.

Another thing is bugging me for a while that how

Crescent

is very sure about

Professor

&

Porkens

's alignment which I find TMIing from scum!them because in my eyes, those two don't do enough things yet to declare them townie tbh. Like in 653, 655 and may be in 656,

Crescent

continuously said

Professor

and

Porkens

are town based on

geraintm

's scum flip, then again said later that scum-flip on

geraintm

will indicate town!

Galron

+ slightly town cleared

Wayward

.
Now do you guys see who are left in the

cleared

list for

Crescent

? Those who don't be pocketed easily or townreading

Crescent

blindly.

By saying all of these, I think

Wayward

is a good elimination for town. I also don’t mind

Galron

but scum!

Crescent

's stance around it making be believe town!

Galron

scenario.

VOTE: Wayward

that was the Salsabil vote on wayward, moving off Galron.

They were still happy to have voted galron, but this vote does feel like it effectivly killed the galron wagon.

and i havent a clue what the logic is.
they start from the theory that wayward and crescent are scum....and then use that theory to vote for wayward. if they had started from a view that wayward was not scum, i dont htink you end up in a posistion to vote them. the post even seems to make the stronger case that crescent is scum, again built from the point of view that crescent is scum.

it is just awful logic. these peopel are scum, and i worked that out by assuming they were scum.
remember, both these people turn up as town. and the other person they've tied into the logic is me, also town.

[geraintm]

Salsa you beat me to it I've been having Crescent-Wayward in the back of my mind as a potential team for a bit and I'm glad someone else might feel the same way. Though posts like 438 that show them interacting are what make me doubt it since I feel like scum wayward might not slot buddy Cres in as town there + Cres's questioning the TR feels town.

UNVOTE: Gal consider this a vote for wayward, I'll follow up in the morning since I don't know what the count's at rn

@Shiidaji

, vote

Wayward

Ya sure

oki xo sweet dreams VOTE: wayward

those were Shiidaji's vote on wayward, and some wrap around posts.
that is even less effort than Salsabil's

[geraintm]

In fact, nothing is changing now, best to just go for it. Sorry Wayward, but if you're town should hopefully help us solve going forward.

VOTE: Wayward Son

Agreed, should be informative D2 I think if Wayward is town.

these are malcolm's hammer vote on wayward.
that is low, low effort. if this is scum then it has the reluctant "i suppose i need to hammer but i think they are scum" vibes to it.
they hinted at if it was a green flip, then Day 2 would be intersting, but they (to me) seem to have just focussed on me for my day 1 actions.

[geraintm]

overall, i can see there being a high chance of scum in the grouping of Salsabil, shiidaji and malcolm, and GAlron potentially as the scum wagon that got derailed.
i dont think i'll be voting outside that group today