Open 865 | CultD3 | Postgame

[Gamma Emerald]

owo
VOTE: NK15

[Gamma Emerald]

The vote was because they had no picture.
MegAzumaril gave there lack of picture a mysterious reason.
Now the lack of picture becomes meaningful, undermining my reason to vote.
Hence unvote

VOTE: Roden

I don’t like this

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: elements
Honestly that post would’ve been acceptable had the Roden vote not capped it off.

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels OMGUSy, like you have a problem with Roden questioning your unvote

[Gamma Emerald]

And why is that a reason to vote him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bleh
Still don’t like your vibe.

[Gamma Emerald]

why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: hutmeil

VOTE: hutmeil

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

I can see Meg, I didn’t like Gamma’s vote on you.

Why do you see me as town here?

I mean I don't directly town read you it’s more like if I had to gut guess I’d say your Rand Town from how you have approached the game so far.

The fuck does this mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you mean when you say “directly town read”?
It honestly feels like evasive wording.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah please don’t
I have learned that being lackadaisical about imprecise wording is a recipe for disaster.

And it sounds like trying to act like her play isn’t towny but there’s other reasons to TR her, which lets you go back on them potentially.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Drapion
Yeah I don’t care for the hedging

[Gamma Emerald]

:agree:

And idc to explain to you rn Drapion
I feel like Roden sees the same things I do, he just ascribes different meaning to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure what the issue is with PD's wordings. I think he's just trying to say he town leans Meg (as against town reading). Not sure why but I feel like Gamma's a bit aggressive this game. I want to vote but that would put the slot at E-1.

Try again pal. Think you forgot to shuffle your deck after that coalition game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Above The Line

Roden
ProfessorDrapion
Not Known 15
Fredrick A Campbell
MegAzumarill
------------------------------------ The Line
Gamma Emerald
hutmeil
Malakittens

Below The Line

I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

Hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you all like it better if I never pushed my fucking SRs?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a general question
Because it seems the SRs on me all boil down to “ew Gamma aggressive, and aggressive = scum”
For fucks sake, go back to the newbie queue with that shit-ass logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.

My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.

this feels like needless red tape

I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

I can see Meg, I didn’t like Gamma’s vote on you.

“I can see Meg” is so noncommittal

I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

I can see Meg, I didn’t like Gamma’s vote on you.

Why do you see me as town here?

I mean I don't directly town read you it’s more like if I had to gut guess I’d say your Rand Town from how you have approached the game so far.

Still using dodgy wording with “don’t directly townread”

I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.

I see absolutely zero reason town would care to give scum tips like this, it’s so uselessly defeatist
Also, if Elements is town this positions Drapion nicely to push there after I flip town

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 1.03

The fire in your eyes
Keeps me alive

Gamma Emerald (3):

Malakittens, ProfessorDrapion, Fredrick A Campbell

hutmeil (2):

Roden, Elements

ProfessorDrapion (2):

Not Known 15, Gamma Emerald

Not Known 15 (1):

MegAzumarill

Roden (1):

hutmeil

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is September 28 at 11:00 AM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-09-28 11:00:00)

Are you sure about that

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think roden is town tho

[Gamma Emerald]

a little bit? I think his scum meta is kinda blatant and it doesn't feel like he's playing to it
I may have some bias tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I also townlean hut because he actually feels a bit like in the coalition game we just played

[Gamma Emerald]

my NK15 read is also meta
there a reason you're only saying it here?

[Gamma Emerald]

my NK15 read is also meta
there a reason you're only saying it here?

Yeah cause your NK15 is bias.
Cause they are pushing the town (me) with you and you are wolf that can’t make genuine reads.

zzzz
My thinking is my hutmeil read breaks your narrative so you have to shade it by calling it meta

[Gamma Emerald]

Howdy Reading now.

I am so glad to be town for once.

To that end kinda wanna see where everyone’s head’s at:

Meg: Long time no see. Who is your top town and scum read?

Mala: Is this it? The fabled game where we are both town and alive?

Roden: What are your vibes of the game so far?

Elements: Don’t know you that well. What’s your favorite thing about the game so far?

Campbell: Looks like your a strategy guy. Do you have a plan now or more just thinking mechanics?

Gamma: Nice work in the theme game. Gonna see if you have similar vibes. Any strong reads/feels?

NK15: Got any spicy thoughts? Usually you are good but tend to be drowned out so hope you see this and drop a spicy thought or read.

Not a fan of Drapion rn

also I don’t rate NK15 as highly as you do lol

Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture

ooooo
UNVOTE:

Elements and NK15 probably contains at least one scum.

This feels fake.

What makes you say this already?

[Gamma Emerald]

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

This reads informed Drapion is town.
Drapion had weird wording last game I was with him.

I think it’s NAI

VOTE: Not Known 15

Yeah

I can definitely see Cult not wanting to be on me.

These also don't make sense/aren't explained respectively.

Overall this feel really contrived

First post is pretty straightforward

Gamma’s push on Drapion (and some Roden but mostly Gamma) is about word choice.
I was providing a counter example.
I think it’s NAI
But I don’t scumread anyone on the wagon so I am not like OMG no

The latter is simple
I am a top wagon
Tons of people are inactive yet random dogpile indicates scum
Second vote is usually scum and I already scumread Elements

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

You think my wolf read on Gamma was something before?
Damn if Gamma keeps going and I’m 1-shot away from death row, he’s going to be so obvious wolf tomorrow that everyone will see it.

lmao what

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, don’t like Meg’a interactions w Math

[Gamma Emerald]

What is your read on Mala, Math?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think roden is town tho

Hot take: I think you are town too

You may wish to change votes if you mean this

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm what If I'm wrong on Meg.
I could see them with Gamma.


Heck I could see everyone with Gamma except for Elements.

I like Elements, they are my top town.

lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: frederick e campbell
ok this is actually scum
mala vote is cheap, sus on me is cheap too

[Gamma Emerald]

Wasn’t it Math being like “I could see one of Drapion’s voters after Gamma being a wolf”
or am I mistaken?

Then this dude is like “If Meg is town it’s probably Drapion”

Like TF? Like a town doesn’t say it could be so and so voters and then say it’s just them.

I mean I could see Math trying to ML Meg, ML me and then ML Elements or one of my voters that isn’t Gamma.


The dude has a perfect ML setup here.

No that was me

Could do me a favor and consider the world where Gamma gets vig shot right now and flips town. Who's scum then?

@Drapion

Hmm I really don’t think Gamma is town but if they are I’d have to re-evaluate here.

yeah no shit, that's what meg is asking about

[Gamma Emerald]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

I don't really see the world where Math plays like he did in his catchup as town though.

lol what's so wrong with it, jeezus

[Gamma Emerald]

Roden has your read's reasonings on Drapion shifted significantly since the start of the wagon?

I think he's just looking worse as the game goes on. He keeps trying to scare people into doing what he wants and talking in a way that's giving tips to the cult in how they should play tonight.

yeah I pointed this out earlier
I'm not sure he's scum but if he's town he's a fucking idiot (purely talking about his play, ftr)

[Gamma Emerald]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

This is incorrect.

If I was cult leader and thought I was going down I would know a limited space of which setups would exist and then claim a PR of that. Then by other players reactions I would know where the PRs were and would guide my team accordingly, I mean I am not CL so the point is null and void, but if I was CL I would know I would be on borrowed time so I would be claiming a PR of some kind.

lol no? every scumteam is at risk to a jailkeeper just negating their ability to recruit. VT doesn't put a target on your back but a PR claim might.

[Gamma Emerald]

CL Math has to claim VT here so I don't think the claim is AI

Why wouldn't he follow me on Drapion then? If he's CL it would be the best play for him. If I'm wrong on Drapion then it makes me look bad and I can be pushed tomorrow. If I'm right then he has me pocketed.

Granted...he would know I'm cautious around him and that I would look out for a potential pocket. If he's scum then he would try to play around me like he has in past games.

If I had one thing I would say concerns me. It's that he isn't trying that hard to convince me to vote with him.

Like I said I am a VT. Since I am not a PR my flip isn’t the be all end all and it’s more important my TRs communicate and collaborate with each other.

Right now that seems to be happening and a town block can form. If Drapion (or whoever my town block picks) flips town then either A) People see my reads as true or B) scum in my TRs or both

If Drapion flips scum then my reads are wrong

I am forceful when I feel things will be bad if I don’t get my way

I don’t feel that here whether we elim me or someone else.

I wish we would elim Meg or Elements but like I said town block more important especially if we don’t hit CL so we can look for changes in players

as wack as her SR on you feels I kinda lean town on meg
elements I don't really feel strongly about either way

[Gamma Emerald]

No but literally its nightless with more clears than mafia 7/9 times

this is accurate
bottom left or bottom right after a CL flips D1 is an autowin
any setup where town is able to conf two or more players without those confs getting recruited is gg
this setup is like, extremely reliant on the D1 flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there a particular reason you’re choosing to shade me rn, Mala?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna try to CL hunt today, I think I have a decent picture of things rn that might make it effective

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t agree with your 93 post at all.

I do
I think me and Roden were calling Drap on the same thing, just expressing it differently

[Gamma Emerald]

I currently think MegAzumarill is town as well.

Worst case scenarios, ratio of town to cult:
Day 2 6:2
Day 3 4:3

If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.

Curious what you’re reading Meg as town for but this seems solid

[Gamma Emerald]

Drapion feels.... weirdly tunneled here. I don't think scum!drapion does this here in a vacuum (especially CL!drapion), but this push feels too off to me for me to call it town.

Drapion is there some context here I might be missing for your Gamma read?

Drapion feels.... weirdly tunneled here. I don't think scum!drapion does this here in a vacuum (especially CL!drapion), but this push feels too off to me for me to call it town.

Drapion is there some context here I might be missing for your Gamma read?

What’s off about my push on Gamma exactly?
Do you not think I bring up good points for my push?

A lot of it puts justification to their actions IF they are scum, but it misses WHY they are scum and not town.

Unless I'm missing something it looks like Gamma is scum is the assumption you started with here

This. 100% now knowing that Drapion is cult then we know that Drapion had an agenda when they started pushing Gamma. Now it is possible that Gamma is CL and Drapion did a planned bus thing I see it as possible in the VCs but I don’t see it here. For this reason and another spicy reason I think Meg is not cult leader.

Yeah 161 does seem weird for a partner to say

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because you had to.

If you kept your vote on me too long then I realize you’re scum based on earlier claims.

If you didn’t vote Drapion then people would call you out.

The only place you could move your vote is Drapion

You were almost voted out and if momentum hadn’t shifted you likely would have been
I don’t think it’s Roden. Also, that post you called shade looks like you’re post facto ascribing scum motive to things that seem innocuous, notably the last line

[Gamma Emerald]

You don't have any other players you think could be CL?

I have them in my PoE but no where near as likely.

I get other people disagree but I don’t see how

I say 2+2 = 4 I get told it is 5

I can’t just “believe” it’s 5.

That’s how I feel.

w i l d
I really feel like me and fred have the correct interpretation of Roden's post and you're just being unreasonable.
All of the first 3 bits you presented in 494 don't really have room for interpretation. The last part does, but the conclusion I and Fred reached seems way more natural than yours given the things that came before Roden's post. Roden asked that question because you asked

everyone except Drapion

something in your first post. So if you think Roden is tying you to Drapion, then I don't know what to say because the only thing I can say is gonna make me sound like a jackass.

[Gamma Emerald]

For me CL I’d between Elements, Mala, and NK15

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I'm falling off a bit this game, sorry

I don't want to vote Elements because of their D1 play and interactions with other players, I just don't get the vibe that they're the CL. However I don't really have a compelling case besides my vibe read. Meanwhile NK15's case seems genuine, it clashes with my read but I think I could just be wrong on Elements. NK15 is town by meta, so I'm willing to follow him here since I do feel like Mala's been townier today anyway.

VOTE: Elements

What is your NK15 meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

why would JK self-elim, at least with CL alive
or a cop with a clear for that matter

JK could still stop a recruit action, and if the cop has a clear selfing would just get the clear recruited

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna see where math goes with this

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok but I don't think cult recruits a town!Mala regardless

hmmm why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay hammer without giving people a chance.

That’s sus as fuck.

Can like no one else see what I do here with NK15/Roden?

Disagree on Roden

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like he was towny early today and he didn’t seem like scum D1
But the point you make about defending scum might be worth note if Elements flips town