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I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.In post 17, mastina wrote:Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:
I am setting my productivity to 0% today.
You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.
But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.
But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.
Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?
Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.- Lukewarm
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Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.- Lukewarm
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You already did it, so pointless to tell you really - regardless of your reasons.In post 40, mastina wrote:
I have my reasons.In post 37, Lukewarm wrote:
I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.In post 17, mastina wrote:Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:
I am setting my productivity to 0% today.
You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.
But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.
But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.
Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?
Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.
I legit feel that me declaring this could break the game for the town.
The WHY is something that the scum will have to speculate about.
But I did want to point out to other people that I think that they probably should not declare their intent one way or the other, because it is basically claiming to be a RP or a VT.
really just structured as commenting on you doing it, since that is what sparked the thought in my head.- Lukewarm
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I don't think you are reading that right. My understanding is thatIn post 42, Roden wrote:
If I understand this right, if we put in 50% productivity then we'll regain 50% back, keeping us at 100% productivity for the next day. Is there any reason that VTs and anyone with abilities that cost 50% or less shouldn't always put in at least 50%?In post 2, Datisi wrote:2. using town power roles:
~ during each day, each member of the town may choose how productive they're going to be at work that day, ranging from 0% to 100%.
~ if they do not submit anything, they will default to 100% productivity.
~ at the start of each night, each town member will gain [100% minus their productivity that day] productivity percentage points.
~ for example, if they were 75% productive on d1, they will gain 25% productivity percentage points at the start of n1.
~ in order to use their power role, they must have the needed number of productivity percentage points, as said in their role pm.
~ productivity percentage points do not have to be used immediately, and they do not disappear if not used immediately.
Every Start of Day, you get 100% productivity points. You chose how many to give to the Cafe that day (x)
You get [100 - x] points to power your pr, that you can bank.
VTs should put 100% to the Cafe during the day, because they have no pr to power.
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This feels like a horrible reason to town read me tbh.In post 55, Uncrowned wrote:
damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRsIn post 37, Lukewarm wrote:
I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.In post 17, mastina wrote:Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:
I am setting my productivity to 0% today.
You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.
But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.
But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.
Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?
Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.
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heebie jeebiesIn post 86, fireisredsir wrote:
i feel like this post is actually AI, believe it or notIn post 73, petapan wrote:
yes absolutely what are you going to do about itIn post 63, Uncrowned wrote:you wouldn't by any chance be trying to flatter me would you, peta? you know I love being called town you sly devil
i haven't decided which direction yet though
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In post 189, furtiveglance wrote:
Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.In post 39, Lukewarm wrote:
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Yeah, was hoping for a quick response to this, but he appears to have gotten off.
I would totally be down to actually just kill Ircher for post 19. It is written very matter-of-fact-ly, not like the math is based on an estimate.
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On an unrelated note, I declare Titus and klick as Town Enough For Day 1 after reading 141.- Lukewarm
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I asked, and was waiting for the response. I kinda wished that people had let him respond before chiming in, but :shrug:In post 221, Titus wrote:I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.- Lukewarm
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I am confused.In post 290, Vivax wrote:I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.
What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)
I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.
But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.- Lukewarm
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What is leading you to believe that Ircher is using "accurate" numbers?"In post 290, Vivax wrote:Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately
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In post 337, Titus wrote:
How? He's just as frozen...In post 330, Something_Smart wrote:
Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.In post 318, Titus wrote:I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.
Titus... what?
How do you not see, that if he confidently was posting about there being 4 scum, and there are actually 5 scum that makes him more likely to be uninformed?
Even if he was scum purposefully saying 4 scum instead of 5 scum, do you think that he was making the conscious effort to say a wrong number, while not having any idea where he was going with that intentional choice?- Lukewarm
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Having actually read up fully, I retract this for Titus.In post 354, Lukewarm wrote:On an unrelated note, I declare Titus and klick as Town Enough For Day 1 after reading 141.
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It also lacks follow through.In post 449, petapan wrote:
i mean just the idea that it was being brought up strategically to take pressure off a buddy, i really don't buy that being a thing someone (even titus) actually thinks about. stuff like that almost always gets found organicallyIn post 442, Uncrowned wrote:
I understand your point here but the post was made and made very early into the game at that so couldn't it still be used? or am i missing something?In post 438, petapan wrote:it doesn't really make a lot of sense that the supposed "slip" gets brought up to save s_s from pressure because it's not like could plan on ircher making a post like that and pushing it strategically so it's kind of ridiculous
Like who brought it up? And shouldn't that person (furtive) then be linked to SS?
And if Furtive is strategically bringing up the Ircher thing to take pressure off of SS, doesn't that make SS+furtive scum, and Ircher?
Instead she has ircher as lock scum, and ss as a potential partner, with no mention of furtive who brought it up.
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This feels like you still don't understand me >.<In post 500, Uncrowned wrote:okay so Titus brought up that the slip could be a distraction for S_S, which would tie Furtive to S_S but as you're saying, wouldn't make sense since furtive SRs Ircher. makes sense.
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Heartbroken.In post 551, furtiveglance wrote:^I thought these were the kind of 'main characters' lately, let me know who else you want me to feature!
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In post 568, petapan wrote:you're the one who chose a fluffy mascot character as an avatar, seems like you cosigned yourself to that role
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I'll bite.In post 573, Ydrasse wrote:need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)
I was originally on wagon because of the 1700 town points thing, because it was not phrased as a guess. It was phrased as a "here is exactly what we need to do."
Was good enough for early day 1 for me, but his response looks like scum to me.
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The "I've read very little since page 3," feels like he is going into anti-spew mode.
But he is also not very consistent with it. He has read very little (and therefore has few reads), but he also logged in and knew exactly what line of questioning was the reason he was being ran up and needed to respond to. And while yes, my initial question was on page two. It was not causing him a wagon until Furtive brought it back up, and outlined why it could be TMI which happens on page 8. And in that same post he votes Vivax, which he later explains was for posts that come on page 16 and 18.
Claiming to not have read much since page 3, but them commenting on things from pages 8, 16, and 18 all in the same post makes the original claim feel like a lie. One written specifically to limit the number of reads that he needed to put out.- Lukewarm
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Yeah, this game has been fine actually, unlike the game that made me worried about day 1 in a large lolIn post 593, fireisredsir wrote:
also fwiw i think this game has been incredibly healthy so far in terms of being readable and maybe is even a little light on the contentIn post 550, furtiveglance wrote:I thought I'd do a 'big' post since people have expressed concern for game length.
so i wouldn't worry too much about it rn, don't feel like you have to limit yourself
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In post 692, jjh927 wrote:It is sorted
Gut
It was fairly arbitrary but it's absolutely sorted by confidence of how I felt at the time
Okay.In post 693, jjh927 wrote:I did particularly like 588, not just the post but the fact it even exists
The reason I asked was that I kinda thought the most notable things that I had done this game so far was catching the Ircher 17 player thing, and then my posts about Titus.
You seem to disagree with my comments on Titus, and you were not seeming to give furtive any town points for pushing the Ircher thing, so I was confused how those things were planting me at the top and furtive near the bottom.
But I guess I can buy that you liked 588, so this line of questioning kinda lost its purpose. Carry on.- Lukewarm
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Mastina does fake claim as scum if she feels like she has to based on the set up, just limits how much of what she is saying is a lie.In post 771, jjh927 wrote:But anyway, Mastina declaring 0% is absolutely town indicative because no matter what- Mastina made that decision with thought behind it. Scum!Mastina avoids fakeclaims, especially in a situation like this where there's so many unknowns that could unravel it. And if Mastina was scum, declaring any percentage would be a fakeclaim that might become unraveled.
So, if she were scum with some form of pr, she would have likely realized that she would need to play as though she was doing less then 100% incase she is ever tracked.
I don't really have a read on Mastina atm, but I don't think it is true to say that scum mastina would not lie about her productivity levels.- Lukewarm
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This feels like a conversation that will bog down the thread, so imma spoiler it.In post 778, jjh927 wrote:I don't think you've considered the range of possibilities that would lead to scum potentially being caught lying about productivity numbers if they make shit up now
Though it depends on what exactly is contained within a scum PM, at the moment we are assuming that only town do anything with productivity numbers.
What if there is a hypothetical role that could determine someone's productivity in the previous phase? How would it respond if it targeted scum? Nobody knows, because it's hypothetical, but it's at least moderately likely given it's not a very far-fetched role design in relation to the mechanic
I can tell you that if Mastina was scum, she would certainly have considered a similar line of reasoning before claiming to put in 0%
tl;dr I think that it is plausible for Scum!mastina, despite her aversion to fake claiming, to come up with the plan to claim it out the gate.
And to be clear, I also think it plausible for town!Mastina to come up with the same plan. I'm just saying I wont be town binning her for it.
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In post 795, Ircher wrote:
Why the 1v1 on us? If I were a gambler (which I'm not), I would wager that we're both in fact town.In post 782, Titus wrote:I am very surprised by the FoSes on me that agree with my pushes on Ircher and SS. There has to be scum in there.In post 796, jjh927 wrote:Could you put into your own words why you think Titus is town, Ircher
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For what its worth, I feel like that kind of typo is actually more likely to come from town then from scum.In post 839, Vivax wrote:
Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.In post 838, Andresvmb wrote:I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.- Lukewarm
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In post 859, RCEnigma wrote:
No, I think Ircher meant to push attention somewhere else and it backfired. It wouldn’t make sense to just bait a wagon on himself.In post 853, Something_Smart wrote:
You think Ircher deliberately baited a wagon on himself? How?In post 851, RCEnigma wrote:Wit that said, Ircher is the type of scum that’s willing to take a bullet for a partner. SoI don’t think Titus’ argument that Irchers wagon sprung up to divert from someone else is merit-less.
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Ah.In post 874, Ircher wrote:
I feel like I need to clarify my 795 as it seems both you and jjh misinterpreted when reading it. The "us" there is referring to Smart and myself, not to Titus.In post 871, Lukewarm wrote:In post 795, Ircher wrote:
Why the 1v1 on us? If I were a gambler (which I'm not), I would wager that we're both in fact town.In post 782, Titus wrote:I am very surprised by the FoSes on me that agree with my pushes on Ircher and SS. There has to be scum in there.In post 796, jjh927 wrote:Could you put into your own words why you think Titus is town, Ircher
whip lashIn post 798, Ircher wrote:Considering I haven't expressed a town read (or a scum read) there, no.
I did in fact read that as you asking titus why she was trying to 1v1 you, and that you would wager that you were both actually town.- Lukewarm
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In post 803, Ircher wrote:I haven't read much from Titus. I seeshe is voting me, so that's minus pointsIn post 815, Ircher wrote:
I left out the second part because I think it is implicit from the minus points comments.In post 812, Ircher wrote:
I think some would and some wouldn't.In post 806, jjh927 wrote:Okay, but if Titus voting you is "minus points" then do you expect that reasonable town players would not vote you here?Titus is earlier on the wagon when I had less content.Namely, no, I lean towards less likely to have a viable reason.
Ircher, how did you get from here to there?In post 816, Ircher wrote:That would equally apply to mastina and Lukewarm for the record(though I give mastina a D1-3 pass because she tends to be pretty obvious scum after a while, so it's better to wait.)
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Oh look, I am being talked about
For point of reference, Peta is the only person on this player list that I talk to outside of mafia games.. I also expected him to understand why I would consider coasting in his shadow day 1, since the last completed Large game that I was in was so unbearable Day 1 that both Peta and myself repped out before Day 1 ended (and then proceeded to talk to one another about how terrible the game was, and how all large games should have a day 1 post cap). It also helps that he is someone who I would actually trust his reads.
o be fair, those are all reasons why he would be the person I talked to out the gate as either alignment.
I did not vote Ircher there for two reasons.38 - Kinda agreed with it at the time for the whole self-consciousness in post
39 - Very fast ping on Ircher, no adaptation through vote
Firstly, I had just said that I was giving my vote to Peta lol
Secondly, I wanted to see if he would talk about his thoughts there before I revealed that I was thinking it was TMI, and I held to that until the moment that Furtive quoted me, explained why I was asking, and voted him for it. Imo, talking to get more information from someone is better then just voting them and putting them on the defensive. (see 357)
That is also why, when Peta voted Ircher, and I followed him in 81, I tried hard to play off my Ircher vote as a joke vote.
I am not really sure what you mean by that last sentence tbh.82 - Reminds me of myself in terminator when a townie wrongly concluded I was town. I snarled at em, more or less (it was Gamma)
85 - extension
Pinging Ircher that early could be read as hedging consideringthe slotLuke seems to act in a rather headstrong way about the reason (mech TMI)he'sIrcher being wagoned so quickly
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Because his vote post looked exactly like his first RVS voteIn post 894, Vivax wrote:2) What makes you think Peta wasn't following you?Spoiler:
So I did not have any reason to think that he was being more serious there. And I also did not want to ask, given my hanging question for Ircher.
You are linking three unrelated conversations into one. On that page, I was:3) Felt like you and fire in unison did the whole mechanics mumbojumbo on Ircher which I pointed out seemed a bit...Expansive on the productivity bit.
1) Responding to Ircher, and asking him a question about the possible TMI.
2) Responding to Mastina, and explaing to the thread why claiming your productivity level is bad.
3) Responding to Roden's post 42, and explaining where he got the mechanic wrong.
Like, nothing I said in response to Mastina or Roden had any bearing on the stuff that happened with Ircher.
And you earlier said that this conversation seemed like role fishing, which feels silly given My point was "talking about productivity is bad, don't do it."- Lukewarm
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I feel like the first bit was already pretty well explained. Why I did not vote the moment I saw the thing that pinged me. Why I voted when I did. Why I played it off as a joke (despite it never actually being a joke vote). And why my vote is still there - after his return to the thread, it is my desire is for Ircher to die today.In post 896, Vivax wrote:So you pointed out Ircher's mistake first? I think. But you only voted when Peta had to make you vote. Then it was a joke vote, but...
But you're still voting Ircher are you not? Occasionally popping in to question people who townread you.
So it does feel like you are not genuinely engaging with me, so I think I'll stop responding to you today- Lukewarm
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That was literally a conversations about his read on me, so.. yeah. It was self focused lolIn post 907, fireisredsir wrote:i think his responses to you do have a sort of self-focus to them? idk how to describe. insistence on being understood, maybe
Anyways, at this point, it feels like like Ircher is definitely dying, and that it my preferred elim, so I am kinda just in a holding pattern at this point.
It is probably non-helpful for me make it clear who I think I would lean towards being his partner, and who I would lean towards if he flips town. Voicing those would likely just distract from killing Ircher, and tell the scum team if they should consider killing me or leaving me alive to push a miselim. (And I am not confident enough in any day 1 reads to leave as a legacy)
So, holding pattern.
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I am treating furtive Glace as confirmed town through unless he is like alive in elo personally.
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Is this a 2 for 1, tmi special?
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In post 576, petapan wrote:(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)
I don't think that Peta was obviously an investigative. I also don't think that he was so widely town read as to be seen as unelimable. I feel like in a town!Vivax, the scum team leave Peta alive night 1 to lead the miselim on Vivax day 2, and then gauge if he looked bad enough on the Vivax flip to be a miselim down the line.In post 600, petapan wrote:
i'm working from the assumption ircher is scum who came back to the thread, saw the massive wagon on him, and probably went into antispew, yes, that's why i said i'm okay with him getting hammered soonIn post 582, Uncrowned wrote:
to touch on this more, if that's the case and theoretically scum!vivax is close to a ML, why do you think he jumps to vote you for that reads list you did or whatever and then switch back to Ircher? i feel like scum would be a little wearier of moving around votes like that, especially for reasons that may seem 'inadequate' to the other playersIn post 576, petapan wrote:(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)
unless you're suggesting they're both scum in this scenario?
i could explain it more or i could tell you to ctrl + F ircher in vivax's iso and see for yourself
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Vivax also did that TMI thing.
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I also felt like Vivax's engagement with me was structured specifically to imply that I was partnered with an Ircher that was getting ready to flip Scum. Like, even if he scum read me, it seems the more natural conclusion was that I was scum latching onto something to push a townie, instead
If you really break this down, he is not saying that I am scum latching onto a townie making a mistake.In post 891, Vivax wrote:Pinging Ircher that early could be read as hedging considering the slot seems to act in a rather headstrong way about the reason he's being wagoned so quickly
He is saying that I am scum "hedging" -- which reads to me like he is trying to set up the idea that after Ircher flips scum, I was also scum just asking to look good on the ircher flip.
He is positioning his read on my Ircher interaction, already with the basis that Ircher is flipping scum.
Again, specifically trying to make me look worse on a scum!Ircher flip.In post 896, Vivax wrote:So you pointed out Ircher's mistake first? I think. But you only voted when Peta had to make you vote. Then it was a joke vote, but...
But you're still voting Ircher are you not? Occasionally popping in to question people who townread you.
In post 908, Vivax wrote:I understand Luke, but also that their position wasn‘t an independent one. Lots of pressure to act quickly, it seems.
Time will tell, but I feel there‘s a good roster of hesitating people around Ircher. A town flip would throw my perception around though.
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Are you claiming that you had the thought that his play might resemble a townie hiding because they have a good PR, and then you killed him anyways lmaoIn post 1081, Vivax wrote:But scum seeing BBT play like that could assume he was hiding a good PR, and so he did. So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?- Lukewarm
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In post 1081, Vivax wrote:So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?In post 1084, Vivax wrote:It's a very obvious vig shot- Lukewarm
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My vote on you came before you posted this day phase, so acting like I am pushing you in response to your comments this day phase is pretty silly.In post 1097, Vivax wrote:
EnoughIn post 1093, PenguinPower wrote:
I think you don't understand how D1 went down.In post 1090, Vivax wrote:P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.
How many larges how have you played?
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.
I started typing my case out on you immediately after reading 1072, it just took me me a bit to pull together the relevant quotes.
(Which is why 1082 has no comment on your vig claim, because it was written before I read the posts you pedit'ed me with)- Lukewarm
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I never said that it was unbelievable for a vig to have targeted BBT.In post 1115, Vivax wrote:
That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?In post 1111, Lukewarm wrote:
My vote on you came before you posted this day phase, so acting like I am pushing you in response to your comments this day phase is pretty silly.In post 1097, Vivax wrote:
EnoughIn post 1093, PenguinPower wrote:
I think you don't understand how D1 went down.In post 1090, Vivax wrote:P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.
How many larges how have you played?
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.
I started typing my case out on you immediately after reading 1072, it just took me me a bit to pull together the relevant quotes.
(Which is why 1082 has no comment on your vig claim, because it was written before I read the posts you pedit'ed me with)
I don't think that it was even that weird of a thought to have had, so not sure what you are asking me here.
Do I think that it is possible for a townie to think that BBT was a vig kill? Yes.
Do I think it possible that the scum team would target him thinking he is a PR? Yes.
Did I think that you were scummy before your claim? Yes.- Lukewarm
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I was confused by the question. "That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?"In post 1126, Vivax wrote:You just made three strawmans you could answer yourself.
The sentence: 'I don't think anything about the BBT kill' would have achieved the purpose of communicating that.
And why is it relevant if you thought I was scummy before? So did a bunch of others.
"That would mean [something that I never said or thought]" Like you made up something I thought, and then tried to use that as a gatcha question on me.
Your example sentence does not even accurately portray my thoughts, because on the flip my first thought about BBT was that his kill was odd given the scum reads on him. My second thought was that the scum team must have guessed he was a PR based on his lurking.
So, I did not think it odd that other people came to the conclusion that it could be a vig kill. It is just a different conclusion from the same thought about the kill.
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As I was typing it, was I thinking aboutThis reads like you are pre-empting backing off the read, but you missed that train...
Because, I had not actually thought about the productivity levels until I read it. I was more focused on the fact that we had no way to know if there even was a vig in this game, because the mechanics of the game gives scum an unknown number of kills. Which also makes this a game where scum could totally fake claim vig. And it also would make sense for you in particular to fake claim it since you got several votes right off the bat start of the day.In post 1109, jjh927 wrote:I highly doubt productivity dropped below 50% simply because of how averages are gonna work here
But, then I saw the jjh post. And
In post 1005, Datisi wrote:jailkeeper + 1 day neighbourizer [cost: 30%
Actually looking at the productivity levels needed to power the PRs, I think that he might be right.In post 1005, Datisi wrote:doctor [cost: 30%;
So thats fun. Seems the most likely out come for me this game now is that I am getting Vig shot tonight
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What?In post 1135, Roden wrote:@Vivax:I'd prefer if you shot me over Luke tonight so that Mastina can't hide behind her fake scum read on me all game.
Why would Mastinas read on either of us matter for his vig kill, and in case you missed it I am her second strongest scum read, so that seems to be of little difference lol- Lukewarm
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In post 1059, Roden wrote:It's tiered, if I don't use my modifier it only costs 5%. That's the version- Lukewarm
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I actually completely missed this post until Vivax just quoted it.In post 1113, Malakittens wrote:
I’d ask you to share with the class, but I doubt you will.In post 1019, Lukewarm wrote:I am treating furtive Glace as confirmed town through unless he is like alive in elo personally.
Because of his push on Ircher Day 1.
I doubt scum!FG sees me ask Ircher about why he said 17 players. Then sees no one else comment on it, sees me say nothing more about it for 5 pages, then suddenly brings it back up, and explains exactly why it makes Ircher likely scum. Like, at that point, I feel like scum would have just started thinking that maybe town would forget about it.
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Vivax, you're comments on Furtive are not rooted in the reality of how day 1 played out.
No one was openly pushing Ircher at the time that Furtive drew all of the threads attention back at his slip. I do not think that scum does what he did, and he is my single strongest town read coming out of Day 1.- Lukewarm
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Page 8: Furtive brings it back up
Spoiler:
Like, work backwards from there, and tell me why scum!Furtive suddenly thinks he needs to draw thread attention back to Ircher's slip
I'll even do the work for you, and grab each post about Ircher leading up to it (its not much)
Spoiler: Page 7 (Naked Vote from Titus
Spoiler: Page 6 (actually nothing)
Spoiler: Mastina voices a scum read on Ircher on Page 5, unrelated to the slip.
Spoiler: Page 4 has my "joke" vote, and thats it
Spoiler: Page 3. Only the Peta vote, which looks like an RVS vote
That brings up back to page 2, where I originally asked about the 17 player thing. Ircher is simply not the topic of discussion until Furtive makes him the topic of discussion.
So you think that scum!Furtive saw 2 votes that look like RVS votes. 1 Naked vote. And a scum read from Mastina. And decides that he needs to be the one to step up and make his partner a real wagon
I don't buy it.
I would probably bet the game on Furtive being town here. But if it actually gets to Elo with him alive, obviously that changes things.- Lukewarm
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I have seen several people ask why he would use his ability if he is town, but it feels you are skipping past how little productivity he claimed that it needed.In post 1256, Ausuka wrote:Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this
If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?
ngl, if I had a PR that only needed 5% I'm not really sure that I would not have ended up using it even if its bad, on the basis of "well its just 5%." With 17 townies alive, that is as a shift of the town average by -0.29% -- which does feel kinda irrelevant.
Like it only affects the scum kill count if the town is exactly inside the 75.00%-75.29% | 50.00%-50.29% | 25.00% - 25.29% before considering him.
5% would actually be irrelevant in 99.13% of all possible town productivity levels.- Lukewarm
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She is saying that your role is bad, and any townie would have chosen to not use their ability.In post 1267, Roden wrote:Can you just tell me what you're actually accusing me of here
Because right now you're having a conversation but it's not with me
And since you used your ability, you must be scum.- Lukewarm
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I see where you claiming 5% with no modifier.In post 1269, Roden wrote:
I already did........In post 1262, jjh927 wrote:
Could you elaborate on the full percentage costs including the extra for the reply thing?In post 1254, Roden wrote:
...What? Why does anyone ever use a role?In post 1245, Ausuka wrote:Why did you decide to use this role?
I don't see where you claimed the % with the modifier- Lukewarm
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I understand your point. Running that role at 100% productivity is probably optimal.In post 1281, Ausuka wrote:I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free kills
But I also don't think that it is unreasonable for him to have come to the conclusion that his own 5% didn't matter because it was so low.- Lukewarm
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Mala is mostly vibes. She also had a bit of prickliness day 1 that seemed less likely to come from scum wanting to get people to town read her.In post 1295, furtiveglance wrote:Nice area tag, I should use that. A few Qs, Why Malakittens high? Why Uncrowned untowned? JJH posted enough for a read on D1, a townread I think, but at least an alignment read. And lastly.... I could vote Mastina today, if she continues being so opaque.
I have retained zero thoughts about any post untowned has made. Probably deserves an ISO, but have not gotten there.
Every post that I remember from JJH was about mechs, which seems like something he would want to talk about as either alignment. Also someone that an ISO might help clear up, but right now he is there. - Lukewarm
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