Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Titus]

Town PM let's goooo

VOTE: Ydrasse

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

let's do 50

Reading this exhange in light of the VCs, I'll lean fire town. Moderate Ydrasse town and lean Roden scum.

The Ydrasse wagon that develops later feels like an excuse to spam.

#early paranoia

[Titus]

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

Oh is this the mythical Lukewarm scumgame?

...'Cause it looks like a mythical Lukewarm scumgame.

Could be, but why?

Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

Because they didn’t read carefully enough?

Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.

This defense is pretty bad.

[Titus]

Andre is prob town.

VOTE: Mastina

Back to bed for ma

:/ Uh what? Why?

[Titus]

Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

Yo, very important to note:

I am a Beloved Princess

.

No, seriously; no joke; this is a realclaim. (I can fullclaim the wording use, but I've reason not to.)

Obviously, this needs to be said since eliminating me during the day is a Very Bad Idea. (I'll need to ask a question to the mod about Vigs tho.)

I may or may not be feeling like playing tonight but it'll either be shortly or not until tomorrow-at-earliest.

VOTE: mastina

Town

[Titus]

Checking on something, then I have a comment about the setup.

For now I can at least say: your PR is less valuable than you think it is, unless it can 100% confirm someone as town. Do not rush to use it.

I will begrudgingly accept what mastina is doing, because she is quite good at mechanics. But she'd better explain it eventually.

I don't accept anything anyone says about this setup as true. I was thinking about an arbitrary system (such as bank if you're in the top half of names) but that just tells scum what PRs to target.

By announcing mastina intends to act, she starts off a tradegy of the commons. A tradegy of the commons is basically a situation where individually people benefit from taking a common good and suffer no penalty for doing so. When people see someone taking a common good, they take theirs. Eventually everyone does and the common good starts to die. So I have a problem with this.

[Titus]

Ftr, I'm not saying mastina's scum there but I'm not sure I agree with that manuever.

[Titus]

vote count 1.01

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ausuka [5]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Uncrowned, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, RCEnigma

Ircher [3]:

mastina, petapan, Lukewarm

mastina [3]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens, Klick

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [4]:

Ausuka, furtiveglance, Titus, Something_Smart

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I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far. Not really seeing the ausuka wagon. Not feeling mastina, even if I disagree on strategy.

VOTE: Ircher

[Titus]

What's a baka?

[Titus]

SS, quick reads on the four wagons.

On a side note, I think this setup does qualify as tradegy of the commons but it's not worth arguing the philosphy. We agree where it courts.

[Titus]

@Vivax, The forest is a common example. When a common good gets overharvested, it ceases to exist. The Italians in your setup kill the forest ecosystem (common good) by overhavesting mushrooms (individual good). Here is common good is blocked nightkills and the individual good is the ability to act.

[Titus]

Also, I did confirm with the mod that there is guaranteed to be at least one VT in the game. I assume there is also more than one VT in the game, and guessing the ratio of PR to VT is probably pretty important. I was estimating somewhere around 2:1 to 1:1-- having too many VT's makes it trivially easy to keep productivity up. Since we need to average at least 75%, if we assume 2:1 PR:VT, the PR's would need to average around 62%, which honestly isn't bad.

The tricky thing is that hitting way too high is also pretty devastating for town because we lose a lot of power. So we should probably aim for no higher than 85%, which would require a PR average of 78%.

So my (almost) completely uninformed take is that most PR's should be producing between 62-78%. Since mastina is committed to 0 and is probably roughly 10% of town's PR's, shift that up 10% for today, so 68-86%.

The one game where I'd wish I was in a hydra with my brother...

[Titus]

yo S_S where's your wagon analysis you got asked for it earlier

this setup talk is almost as worthless as (some) of my posting geez

Town

[Titus]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?

[Titus]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?

No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!

I don't see how...but you do you. Generates wagons so not gunna fight this

[Titus]

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

Why suppose he's right?

Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments

[Titus]

yo S_S where's your wagon analysis you got asked for it earlier

since when am I known for wagon analysis and also when did this happen

Reads major wagons please...

[Titus]

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

Why suppose he's right?

Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments

this second line feels awk

[Titus]

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

[Titus]

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

Are you saying I successfully caused a distraction?

@Something_Smart

oh, I did miss that, but that's not asking for wagon analysis, just reads on particular people.

Ydrasse slightly town, Ausuka null, Ircher null, mastina slightly scum.

Yes but SS replies here.

I struggle to see how town SS sees Ircher as null and has zero comment about the wagons.

...

so guys, about that ydrasse wagon...

It looks pretty bad...

[Titus]

yo so are you going to end up circling back to this or was this just busywork to look like you're doing something?

ill probably be thinking about it for a while yet but i don't think its gonna be super useful to talk about, but i can if you want ig

there's like a certain energy to some of peta's posts so far. feels like he's having fun ig. and i think that's probably meaningful. i felt it in panic room and i think i kinda scumread him for it there, and had a sort of initial gut reaction to it in the same way (felt almost like he was forcing himself to appear a certain way in thread? keeping up appearances?). and it isn't something ive noticed from him as town in recent games that ive seen so it felt suddenly different and perhaps meaningful

buuut he was town in panic room. and ive been reading some old games and i haven't found a scum game where i feel it in the same way (often more... down to business) so maybe it's just something that happens sometimes but not always

i also wanted to bring it up originally bc idk maybe people like ydra or klick or others would have opinions on the post i mentioned

What are you going to do to solve this?

You could save a lot of words and say "I am uncertain on peta and need help."

That voluminous language makes it harder to read you.

[Titus]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.

[Titus]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Their profile has their last log in time.

[Titus]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.

How? He's just as frozen...

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

I gotu bby

VOTE: titus

Well if you're a cat, does that make me a bitch?

[Titus]

How? He's just as frozen...

He made a post that implicitly assumed 4 scum. Don't you think he wouldn't do that if he were on a 5-person scumteam?

Could be. IIoA doesn't have to be true. The argument is pedantic though as we can't find out exactly how many scum there are until much later

[Titus]

So real talk

how many scum are there???????

inquiring minds wanna know.

21.

[Titus]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.

How? He's just as frozen...

Titus... what?

How do you not see, that if he confidently was posting about there being 4 scum, and there are actually 5 scum that makes him more likely to be uninformed?

Even if he was scum purposefully saying 4 scum instead of 5 scum, do you think that he was making the conscious effort to say a wrong number, while not having any idea where he was going with that intentional choice?

I literally don't care for the setup spec. If we prove 5 scum or 4 scum, I'll reevaluate. I don't care for the slip talk. Never have. It's odd for Ircher to post like that at all, so I don't think it was 100% Ircher. I don't trust any mechanics I don't have personal knowledge of yet.

I care about Ircher's posting or lack there of.

[Titus]

Wait yume is playing with ircher?

i thought this was a no hydra game

It is no hydra

In b4 "slip".

[Titus]

towntold

HA

SORRY TITUS

I'M MORE OBVTOWN THAN U

GET OVER IT

Sure master. You may curl up in my lap now.

Shall I get you catnip? Or you prefer the blood of scum Ircher?

[Titus]

WHY IS MY FUCKING BLASTER NOT WORKING!?!

[Titus]

Looking forward to it jjh.

[Titus]

I am very surprised by the FoSes on me that agree with my pushes on Ircher and SS. There has to be scum in there.

[Titus]

my unabated tinfoil is that scum are trying to rush d1 b4 town understand/talk about mechanics. I also really hate mech focused games.

Normally I'd agree but I can't see talking about much that would help us and not give useful info to scum. There are a few different roles I could think of with this mechanic that could counter things.

[Titus]

Sounds like a possible scum role to me. Might be town but not much utility.

[Titus]

Please be patient. A colleague just got admitted to the hospital last night.

[Titus]

I plan to review tonight.

[Titus]

Mastina is highly unlikely to be scum.

[Titus]

So in simple terms, you're saying mastina has been scummy?

[Titus]

I'm also slow on the uptake this AM and haven't read last night.

I'm not a fan of a mastina wagon.

[Titus]

i think mastina is solidly townie and like most of her read list outside of disagreeing on luke i'd say

Can you copy paste her last one?

[Titus]

I looked at mastina's read on me and I can't blame her for my play feeling off. Partially I didn't want to obvtown, partially scum shade me when I am correct because they want credit for themselves, and partially IRL. This can contribute.

I would do a VCA as well tonight. That would allow me to respond to the readwall.

[Titus]

VOTE: SS

Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.

[Titus]

SS, what are your reads?

[Titus]

Can you explain why and when Ydrasse and mastina moved SS?

[Titus]

no offense intended, I quoted those because I actually was confused and wanted a straight answer on your read

so you do SL her, cool.

Yes, I have her as a scumlean overall, but I think that killing someone who has banked 100% productivity and not used it is extremely bad, and so I don't want to risk that, even if there's a somewhat higher chance of killing scum.

How are you sure she did what she said?

[This post

might

be a scumslip.]

[Titus]

Well, obviously it's predicated on her being town. But, the double kill somewhat increases the chance of town banking high productivity, and if she was lying yesterday about using 100%, I don't see what she would gain by not admitting that today, since she is clearly explaining more about her plan as the days go on.

Great. How do you believe she didn't spend it?

[Titus]

Is it possible we have S v S wagons and scum were trying to get my wagon to go?

[Titus]

Great. How do you believe she didn't spend it?

Well, presumably her role doesn't do the big thing she's claiming it does until D4. The simplest interpretation is that it requires a ton of %, could just be that it requires acting in a certain way on multiple nights. So I don't know she didn't spend it, but I assume she can't yet do the big thing she's claiming she will, so it's effectively the same either way.

Why not consider she's bluffing or using her role multiple times?

[Titus]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents

Oh yeah that wagon is scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like, is literally my three scumreads, scum.

I wonder why?

Could it perhaps be that they know they're fucked if they lose Roden and they're hoping that they can push a wagon through on Titus?

That's where I am at, but I doubt all 3 are scum.

I'd be flabbergasted if both Roden and SS were town.

[Titus]

Why not consider she's bluffing or using her role multiple times?

I figured a bluff would only last a single day. I guess it could not, but that seems like a much more deceptive way than mastina likes to play. If her role had consistent utility then she probably wouldn't wait till D4 to reveal everything because dying N3 would be awful.

Why? If mastina's vanilla (I don't think it's the case), then she would be forced to continue the deception to show why she hadn't broke the game d2. Putting forth 100% while claiming to put 0 in can trick scum.

Second, if she couldn't use her role day 1, then she'd want to make it look like she could.

I think but can't prove you're coming from knowing mastina couldn't use her ability n1 and auto trusting her because you're scum. I don't get the townreads.

[Titus]

I think but can't prove you're coming from knowing mastina couldn't use her ability n1

How would I know that as scum?

First, scum generally propose town are honest. Since you didn't see gamebreaking, it's not a stretch you inferred it. Second, scum get powers too. Both alignments would want to investigate her. So you could know that way. The lack of doubt and analysis is suspect.

[Titus]

VOTE: SS
Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.

Titus my townread on Something_Smart is even stronger than my scumread on Roden.

I can't see how. Throw me a bone.

I haven't read last night fyi. So if it's in there, sorry.

[Titus]

im caught up but p out of it rn

i think this looks more like town titus than d1 did so i feel better there ig

i do think it's p possible that scum hard bussed once they saw the slip and one of the other main possibilities would be luke, but idk i just don't see his approach to the game as scummy at all. re-eval on vivax seemed fairly natural with just the appropriate amount of lingering pride before switching away. will try to read more closely and compare to scum games when i have more of a brain but my brief impression was that he was kinda a overwhelm with Goodposting and lots of content scum player, and didn't always match tone in the way i think he has here

one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me

VOTE: ausuka

How does this not comment on Roden or SS?

[Titus]

We could go round and round SS. Not giving you the opportunity to look town by continuing an argument that distracts from hunting.. I think you were TMIing. I know I can't prove it.

[Titus]

If he's locktown for reasons you prefer not to share, then I can't follow that. I'm with furtive there. I'm not sure of his alignment but his comments resonate with me.

[Titus]

mastina you are aware that there is a sample pm in the opening posts, right?

it really seems like you are not aware of that

it would be p funny if none of the scumteam read it

What are your reads on SS and Roden?

[Titus]

i just gave them?

Missed it. Where?

[Titus]

@Titus sorry if I missed it but I'd like you to explain your Ircher read before the whole frozen thing?

Was weak based on VCA. I voted because I TRed the other two wagons and wanted to test a theory that scum were protecting Ircher.

[Titus]

Please bare with me. I just found out work is having me on a very long road trip.

[Titus]

Catching up now.

[Titus]

Specifically I'd like titus to elaborate on why she thought Ircher is scum without buying into the TMI argument - she votes him without really pushing there and then says 'dude's not town'

Her progression around ircher and linking him with SS just feels sort of awkward, imo

Part of it was bluster. I suspected Ircher wasn't town based on the fact I had initial townreads on the other wagons. If those two wagons were town, then it's likely a scum diversion. Doubly so given I didn't feel town off Ircher's posting.

Giving a strong opinion can elicit reactions. My posturing would have the effect of either a) making it near impossible to get a counterwagon going without defending Ircher or b) whiteknights of Ircher (if he was town).

When I got FoSed for pushing Ircher by multiple slots, I knew I was on the right track. I doubled down. I didn't want to be obvtown anyway, doubly so if it meant scum getting away.

After I catch up, I'll eyeball some VCA.

[Titus]

it might have only been 2 kills. BBT just seems really weird as a kill to me based on their lack of content, unless they're known to be a good player who just hadnt turned it on yet? i don't know them enough to know if that makes sense as a fearkill

i really would hope that nobody would spend enough productivity points to n1 hero shot vig but i also wouldn't be that surprised

nero and peta kills both make sense as NKs tho

Agree with this.

[Titus]

I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far.

can you explain what made you think this? quoting the vc makes it seem like it was based on that but i don't really get it

Quoting the VC was explaining why Ircher. Getting 4 small wagons is unlikely to be all town. Sometimes, but not often, multiple scum can be wagoned. See that game where I was in the Nashville Dreams hydra. (Which reminds me Mala's probably town.)

Ydrasse was leading the group in scumhunting early so the wagon on them made no sense. The Auska wagon was wtf. Mastina is rarely someone to vote N1, even with no claim. That left Ircher as a great place to sort.

I'm shocked neither Ydrasse Ausuka or mastina died. Suggests a blatant denial of vca info since at least Ydrasse and mastina are universal TRs.

[Titus]

I would game that there’s one Scum in {Vivax, PenguinPower}. And mastina not dying is both expected and not a good sign.

Why bet the game on the scum in there? I think Vivax claimed vig. PenguinPower lockscum doesn't seem to follow.

Why is mastina not dying a "bad sign"? It's too early to determine what's a sign.

Who is town?

[Titus]

Titus could have been bussing but you would have to think they were on top of Ircher’s case very aggressively and maybe? It’s possible the Scum decided to take alternative tracks in order to not all get lumped together, but I seriously doubt all of the Scum bailed on Ircher immediately.

Ircher's role was pretty weak, and tbh Ircher gets run up D1 almost every game I play with him regardless of his alignment. I don't think he got hard bussed by his entire team, but I don't think they had much incentive to try to save him either. Best play for scum is for them to avoid being associated with Ircher at all IMO.

Absolutely bullshit. You've seen me play as scum. I almost

never

avoid my partners. I never avoid the major wagons. Ircher being run up every game is an easy thing to defend and I could have easily talked Ircher out of the noose and coached him. Ircher, being a less active poster, would be easy to Cyrano.

You'd be familiar with my scumgame but instead you're trying to push me because I was right and you're scared.

[Titus]

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

Pray continue....

I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.

Btw there's actually TWO reasons for why I think that this is a scumclaim from Roden, maybe 3.
jjh can probably get 1-2 of them, small outside chance of all 3.

But,
VOTE: Roden

Roden is effectively confscum with that claim.

I'm reluctant to call Roden confscum based on a claim. His claim does make sense for scum fearing a tracker, watcher or similar. Extra production makes it more likely he was investigated. It's a story that can stick.

I want to stick to play as things may not be as expected.

[Titus]

I don't do hero shots, I kill those who refuse to play
It's a very obvious vig shot

Maybe learn to holster. Especially in a large where you ability probably has increasing cost to use.

But what if you're an egomaniac who shoots people to appease the VCA gods?

[Sarcastic joke]

[Titus]

I'll be back tomorrow or late tonight. Exhausting day and it's not half over.

[Titus]

Can I borrow it?

[Titus]

I'll be back tomorrow. Drinking and concert tonight.

[Titus]

Ausuka is so tilted atm.

[Titus]

Ausuka is so tilted atm.

Idk why this is so funny, maybe cause these are the first posts from her that look invested and you think that means tilting

See TFT dead scum....scum fail push

Repeat

Lol don't need to read.

Some town but most scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Roden

Check in tmo when sober xD

[Titus]

You're sooo vain, you probably think think this game is about you.

#drunkTitus

Concert in 40 m

[Titus]

Luke just pissed I made a real case on his buddy and wants me to actually validate his arguments.

I tank for town.

I'll catch his partners when sober.

[Titus]

hi drunk titus, you think luke is scum? why?

Because he's pushing me.

Seriously check TFT

[Titus]

Mastina told her to back her up in the scum chat

Dude, mastina's not scum. Stop shading her.

[Titus]

I‘ll be honoured if anyone compared me to Garfield
It‘s surprisingly accurate lmao

Am I vain, or who? TF do I know I only play invitationals for now.
And also that we live in parallel realities. I <3 this country

Luke scum. He expects me to acknowledge him because he posted a lot of words equalling waaah Titus caught my partner for bad reasons

[Titus]

hi drunk titus, you think luke is scum? why?

Because he's pushing me.

Seriously check TFT

Luke was in tft?

Nope. Scum used the same strat

Can't kill me so lim me.

Wouldn't be surprised if your shot went through then 3 scum kills and I was docced.

Scum just hard on for limming town Titus. Wait for implosion like what used to happen.

[Titus]

I‘ll be honoured if anyone compared me to Garfield
It‘s surprisingly accurate lmao

Am I vain, or who? TF do I know I only play invitationals for now.
And also that we live in parallel realities. I <3 this country

Luke scum. He expects me to acknowledge him because he posted a lot of words equalling waaah Titus caught my partner for bad reasons

Waaaah we ride shiny and chrome valhalla style?

VOTE: Roden

Ergh I can‘t stop laughing at all of this including past games

For the chrome Valhalka!

Is that my car? Or my web browser?

[Titus]

P.S. I think his push might be because he wanted to fake vig. Super odd.

Maybe he's a scum invest. Who knows?

[Titus]

Cool. I am so glad tomorrow is a court holiday.

[Titus]

No one else? Hurry. Ask Drunk Titus for insights. Put forth fast arguments.

T minus 8 minutes

[Titus]

4 minutes. ((

I has sads

[Titus]

Camp rock yo!

[Titus]

This is me!

[Titus]

why are you confident in mastina town

Because she's at the Demi concert with me.

Srs she sees TFT pattern

[Titus]

Gtg

[Titus]

ok looks like in tft titus got like shot multiple times and didn't die? was she like super bulletproof or something

Intermission

I had one bp once I got someone to align with me.
I got that.

The guy I picked had a self bodyguard.

I picked one other person.

They survived first kill so we all did.

Altogether it took 4 shots to kill 3 people lmao.

Then another toenie claimed our role.

Scum tried soooo gard to lim us with whatever reason they could come up with.

Enchsnt even tried some weak cc part damage shit

And I didn't even put much there bc RL imploded just like here a bit but I plan to post tmo.

Demi likely comes on in 20 minutes.

Dead Sara was amazing!

[Titus]

Couldn't understand most of what the bsnd said but I felt it. Will totally buy their album!

[Titus]

Give me all zee guns! Blood for the VCA gods!

[Titus]

Who is the mod I need to ISO stat

[Titus]

Oh hi scumfuck

Succint tears feed the demon in meee fight my eyeball vca I dare you

[Titus]

vote count 1.01

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ausuka [5]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Uncrowned, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, RCEnigma

Ircher [3]:

mastina, petapan, Lukewarm

mastina [3]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens, Klick

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [4]:

Ausuka, furtiveglance, Titus, Something_Smart

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Oh look Lukewarm in bus spot, why did you back off?

[Titus]

vote count 1.final

with 21 votes in play, it took 11 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

firing

Ircher [11]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, Vivax, PenguinPower, petapan

[HAMMER]

Titus [2]:

Malakittens, fireisredsir

Ydrasse [2]:

Roden, Nero Cain

Vivax [2]:

Andresvmb, Ircher

petapan [1]:

Something_Smart

Roden [1]:

Uncrowned

Malakittens [1]:

jjh927

not voting [1]:

Ydrasse

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Well it looks like you didn't lmfso

Drunk Titus supposing facts match theory


Lol

[Titus]

vote count 1.03

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ircher [7]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, Uncrowned, RCEnigma

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, PenguinPower

Ausuka [4]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

mastina [2]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens

Titus [1]:

petapan

RCEnigma [1]:

Vivax

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Klick

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[Titus]

At most one of Ydrasse and Ausuka is scum

[Titus]

I'm done ttl 5 mins until demi

[Titus]

Demi is my crush. So hot emotionally and physically but I hate tatoos on anyone else

[Titus]

Don't worry ubering to hotel tonight

[Titus]

Luke fiiight me I dare uuuuu

[Titus]

Oh were you planning on faking vig and Vivak true claimed first

[Titus]

So you had to get all pissed to save your claim and you're balls deep to save Roden

[Titus]

Demi is my crush. So hot emotionally and physically but I hate tatoos on anyone else

drunk titus is hilarious i would have never expected to hear this from you

Total Titus is bi

[Titus]

Demi finally on gtg

[Titus]

Sorry my emotions were awkward last night.

[Titus]

The Demi concert was the time of my life. Go if you can!

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

Funny posts should never feel awkward. It's easy to look townie when you're unafraid.
Unvoting cause I wouldn't mind Dann's take before we hammer.

No. It was the emotions. Horny drunk when y'all are sober would feel awkward I'd imagine.

I am not afraid of much in mafia. The only thing I get afraid of is screwing up the plans of others.

[Titus]

The only thing that gives me paused on Roden is wagon distribution.

It's either a) scum shopping for a backup and failing or b) scum waiting out a TvT.

If we do move off of Roden, it should be to someone not voting for either Roden or myself.

[Titus]

The thread is just trucking along because you won't listen Lukewarm. You aren't addressing anyone else's concerns. You seem to think by yelling an opinion several town think is wrong is helpful.

If you're town, you give scum a place to stall out the game. They don't have to contribute or don't want to because Roden's scum. My wagon is sketch enough as it is. You'd see that if you weren't overjoyed to have just anyone with you.

If you're scum, you're clawing to protect Roden anyway so *shrug*.

[Titus]

The thread is just trucking along because you won't listen Lukewarm. You aren't addressing anyone else's concerns. You seem to think by yelling an opinion several town think is wrong is helpful.

If you're town, you give scum a place to stall out the game. They don't have to contribute or don't want to because Roden's scum. My wagon is sketch enough as it is. You'd see that if you weren't overjoyed to have just anyone with you.

If you're scum, you're clawing to protect Roden anyway so *shrug*.

Titus this is literally me and my town reads lmao

Titus [4]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor

Yes, because your townreads are whomever agrees with you. Your reads are circular.

[Titus]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

[Titus]

i am one bad game away from policy votelocking anyone who fakeclaims

Mark Ausuka locktown for this game

Prob town yeah. I can't lock it though.

[Titus]

But Vivax is mechanically town.

If Vivax is mechanically town, why did you push for so long

after the claim

?

Because I did not realize that the mechanics made him town until jjh pointed it out to me?

Like I was REALLY sure that he was scum over night. Like way more sure then I am with you or Mastina.

He then got a bunch of votes, and then claimed Vig. In the moment, it looked like a panic claim. And when I broadly thought about the mechanics, it seemed like this is the perfect set up to fake a vig claim.

To actually get to him being mechanically town, you have to stop and think about the more specific details of the numbers. And not just the % points needed to direct the kills, but also the % points needed by the flipped townies. And while I saw those numbers when I looked at the flips, I did not do any of the mental math on what that would mean for the over all % points.

Or you just realized you'd never get a claimed vig flipped with a shot on BBT claimed.

A vig claim isn't mech town. It just likely is.

[Titus]

furtiveglance
Vivax
PenguinPower
fireisredsir
Malakittens
Ausuka
Andresvmb
Uncrowned
Titus

Lukewarm
Ydrasse
mastina
jjh927
Something_Smart

Roden
Dannflor

I can work with this. It's not perfect but fine for today but I'm never voting mastina unless something drastic changes.

SS Roden Dannfloor jjh are all people who I would vote, the latter two with some reluctance as they could town it up with time.

[Titus]

Given the context of his earlier posts, in what world does scum!Roden think that this answer is going to do anything but hurt him? Like this is an actively self sabotaging answer when scum can give any answer they want

Wifom. Fake posts are posted.

[Titus]

Given the context of his earlier posts, in what world does scum!Roden think that this answer is going to do anything but hurt him? Like this is an actively self sabotaging answer when scum can give any answer they want

Wifom. Fake posts are posted.

Just shouting wifom is a cop out. Scum can do literally anything, the point is which is more likely.

I just don't think it is very likely at all, that given the situation that he was in, he would take that avenue as scum. And therefore, it being the truth is the more likely reality we live in.

You don't think it's likely at all, because that fits your worldview.

Scum players and scum teams can and do have widely varying reactions. Maybe it's dead in water, maybe it's as little info as possible, maybe the amount wouldn't make sense, maybe the whole role is a fiction, maybe he's scum truth telling

Maybe Roden is town lying
Maybe he's telling the truth and is town

Whatever he said serves his purposes. As far as I know, there's no mech for any of it.

Arguing why that claim in particular supposes things that can't be known (if town).

[Titus]

I believe mastina's reads have strong potential to be very good from early on. So I'll let her know I may or may not just be fueling the CW for *reasons* and she shouldn't take my suspicions too seriously, I'm not gonna tunnel. Just in case that it's been frustrating lol. But not a townlock.
This game must be insanely frustrating for scum. Looking at the wagons I could even see Fire/Dann/Roden team atm, or at least the votes look that way to me.

This is what I figured. This response for VCA is telling.

[Titus]

Hi. This is me.

Good luck scum.

[Titus]

Thanks. That's the goal.

I have an inner theory as to why it's me opposed to a lurker, but it has zero foundation so I'm sitting on it for now.

[Titus]

Fwiw, intellectual honesty entered the chat.

If you got a question, straight up ask. Don't dance.

[Titus]

It's not a dance and it doesn't need to be a question

Without a question, it's straight up shade.

[Titus]

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but you might solve it by my posts.

Vivax obviously scum kill to protect Luke. Aausuka vigged by Vivax.

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Titus]

vivax made it clear that they weren't gonna kill luke anymore i thought?

And Vivax shot Ausuka.

Luke shot Vivax because he knew no traction.

[Titus]

Vivax also TRed me.

Vivax is the scum kill which makes no sense from me.

It's Luke.

[Titus]

Vivax also TRed me.

Vivax is the scum kill which makes no sense from me.

It's Luke.

You really think you would have no reason to kill a town vig as scum?

Yes. Vivax is an extra scum kill from scum Titus perspective.

[Titus]

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

[Titus]

I come back as having a PT.

[Titus]

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

Wait I thought you were already masons. Didn't you say we could tell your partner from logs earlier, which implies you already had a mason partner?

I crumbed her as my target.

[Titus]

I crumbed her as my target.

Why would you crumb a target for that role

maybe it was supposed to be another claim originally

In case I died. I am loyal.

[Titus]

@titus

How much are you claiming your ability cost?

150% then 350.

I always register as having a PT.

[Titus]

In case I died. I am loyal.

so what would stop mastina from claiming it succeeded if you died

I flio with the fact I die if I target scum.

[Titus]

if it succeeded then why did ydra get a result that titus doesn't have a PT?

I didn't have it yet. I should soon.

[Titus]

if it succeeded then why did ydra get a result that titus doesn't have a PT?

I didn't have it yet. I should soon.

... you get it during the day?

Yes. It's conditional on no one visiting mastina last night. So either a) someone visited her or b) I am waiting on mod delay.

[Titus]

why in the world would you be allowed to use a mason ability only if someone wasn’t visited

Nerf it. Can't have too broken of a setup. I love the role. Tank for days.

[Titus]

Well this looks like a ridiculous mess to walk into

Titus, fullclaim all the aspects of your role in one post rather than splitting it up

THIS

I did.

Conditional Weak Loyal masonizer. 150% 350% production. Targeted mastina last night.

[Titus]

So you're claiming a guilty on fire mastina?

[Titus]

MASTINA ARE YOU IN A HOOD WITH TITUS

It's not up yet.

[Titus]

Did Datisi confirm to you that your action succeeded or failed?

Datisi can't tell me that. I only see the PT or not. When I see the next PT, I'll know if it passed or failed by then. If no PT, failed.

[Titus]

If he's on mobile I can see him having trouble adding to PT's right away, even if he can answer questions. But he should be able to tell Titus the action succeeded.

No. I could have "succeeded" but no pt be made because of my conditions. Datisi cannot tell me.

[Titus]

If your target is scum AND your target is targeted by someone else, does your ability still kill you?

No. It fails.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure if this was real and you really did count as having access to a hood from the start of the game then you would actually have a hood from the start of the game with just you in it

Nope. Didn't realize it was a miller thing lol. Just thought it was housekeeping.

[Titus]

No. I could have "succeeded" but no pt be made because of my conditions. Datisi cannot tell me.

Oh I was assuming that would be considered failure. Ask him if he's going to make you a PT, he should be able to tell you that at least.

Fair. I'll do that.

[Titus]

My second thought was he dropped down to 50% to try and stop the bonus kill. Have not looked at any numbers to see if it would make sense for them to get a bonus kill if he was running at 50%

I mean I was running at 50% yesterday, so keep that in the mind.

Didn't you claim you were using 100%?

[Titus]

Doesn’t that mean someone else targeted mastina and thus Titus’s action should have failed?????

That would explain why no PT.

[Titus]

Because I'd bet the farm on mastina being town.

[Titus]

Because I'd bet the farm on mastina being town.

aren't you claiming that you would literally be dead if she wasn't

You visited her. So I can't be up to locktown because you did. Still, I'd bet the farm.

[Titus]

like, your claimed role has 3 outcomes-
If you target scum who is not targeted by anyone else, you die.
If you target someone who was targeted by someone else regardless of alignment, nothing happens.
If you target town who is not targeted by anyone else, you get a PT with your target

oh i misunderstood this ig? it cancels everything?

Yes

[Titus]

@jjh, I'm that confident mastina's town.

[Titus]

if titus had a pt i would be aware of it and be able to join it

I didn't actually have one. I just count as having one. Basically, I was a miller for Ydrasse and didn't know it.

Counters my ability to possibly clear 2 people.

[Titus]

if titus had a pt i would be aware of it and be able to join it

I didn't actually have one. I just count as having one. Basically, I was a miller for Ydrasse and didn't know it.

Counters my ability to possibly clear 2 people.

how would you be a miller

her claim is that she can join non-factional PTs if anyone has them

I count as having one but one doesn't exist for Ydrasse to join.

[Titus]

You'd be a miller for the traffic analyst role though

Not unless my ability worked. I'd have no ability to talk to anyone.

Basically, I'd be a miller to one or the other but not simultaneously.

[Titus]

So Titus is claiming she has a role that failed, so nothing happened, but she fumbled 3 times trying to get that out there before landing solidly.

And it appeared to shift as we learned more about the exact way ydras ability worked.

Kinda sad we likely have to kill inside fire/mastina before we can kill her.

You're just desperate to kill me because I know you're scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Titus]

so looking back I may have misread that

Yup. It's a complicated role.

I'm off my lunchbreak.

Let's lim Fire today and Luke tomorrow.

[Titus]

So Titus is claiming she has a role that failed, so nothing happened, but she fumbled 3 times trying to get that out there before landing solidly.

And it appeared to shift as we learned more about the exact way ydras ability worked.

Kinda sad we likely have to kill inside fire/mastina before we can kill her.

You're just desperate to kill me because I know you're scum.

Yes. So desperate you just quoted a post where I said I doubt I am trying to kill you today

You know it's not happening today with an unambiguous 1 v 1.

You've wanted to kill me since I pinned Ircher to the wall and called out your bad Vivax push.

[Titus]

So tldr, fire visited mastina. Mastina faked a role. Then real claimed explaining my result.

Can we just lim Luke now mastina? Please.

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Titus]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Klick is scum. Should have realized he was different than the Nashville game but I attributed that to being town this time.

Klick/Luke plus 1.

[Titus]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.

Mastina is a goon? But mastina's not scum soooo

It's You Klick plus 1. You don't talk to each other.

[Titus]

I think in the general context of today, I would execute mastina before I voted for fireisredsir, though I don’t understand why Scum would try and do a 1v1 trade in the way that mastina has here. Just something doesn’t add up.

Yeah, I love mastina, but she has an ego. Klick or Luke likely blocked her.

[Titus]

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

Hey mastina, if you want us to adjust our takes based on this claim, I think its time for you to explain the claim.

Ego.

[Titus]

Last scum is Andres or PP based off VCA

Klick Luke andres/PP

That's my final answer

[Titus]

Last scum is Andres or PP based off VCA

Klick Luke andres/PP

That's my final answer

Can you have your teammates not shoot me please? I’m actually having fun now.

I can't control what scum does. Sorry.

[Titus]

well they'd need another goon to be carrying out the kill b/c no multitasking

Or an informed PR letting them know what claims are safe


Like mastina's not scum but it's not mech clear

[Titus]

I have returned, it seems that Titus is neither clear nor outted, right? Or are they outted?

Neither clear nor outed but the same people parking me from yesterday are parking me today.

[Titus]

vote count 2.11

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [7]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Uncrowned, PenguinPower

Titus [5]:

Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor, Vivax

Malakittens [1]:

furtiveglance

Dannflor [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

jjh927, Something_Smart, Klick

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[Titus]

The only real exception is Andresvmb who swapped because there's a decent chance he's scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Good luck.