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[KittyTacky]

Oh it's finally up.

I'm a kitty. Meow.

I CC kitty.

VOTE: Crescent

[KittyTacky]

I played with most of this list before BTW.

[KittyTacky]

I was just over in the wiki reading up on what to expect in a Normal, when I read that Serial Killers are normal!? AND show as vanilla if role copped? Wow.

There are no SKs in

Mini

Normals. They're normal only for

Larges

.

[KittyTacky]

I used to do gutty townreads and scumreads page 1 and they were almost always wrong

I save my gutty reads until a bit later, usually.

[KittyTacky]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

This gets a vote
VOTE: galron

Why?

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Recently NJAC, Kitty and I completed a newbie game (Newbie-2100) where scum!Kitty was playing dumb townie and NJAC caught him for that.

I feel so forgotten! lol

True that though. I'd like to hear Kitty's take on Porkens.

Town vibes.

[KittyTacky]

Maybe they're my strongest townread.

Other than some weird wording... None of their posts are scummy to me. Kinda towny tone.

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UNVOTE:

RVS is over.

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Why is my vote irrelevant? Just because you said you don't vote early, it doesn't mean other players cannot make something useful with our votes.

If the vote actually mattered you'd be explaining why it mattered in this post.

It matters. I'm waiting for Kitty to show up.

I'm here.

[KittyTacky]

It matters. I'm waiting for Kitty to show up.

I'm here.

Yes, I can see that. In the last game we played you said you use to do better when players are active and there's enough content. Do you think this is the case? Is there enough content and people are being active enough in this game for you to try to solve the game?

Yeah. This post seems townie, for the record.

[KittyTacky]

Shiidaji is town.

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I have you know mafia if you don’t ml me today you never will cause I’ll bury you in the following days with a big grin on my face.

[KittyTacky]

This weird bravado is a little scummy IMO.

[KittyTacky]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

I like Professor Galron better but no.

Salsa automatically assuming for there to be only 2 wolves is concerning.

3 would be OP with 11 players. Maybe a traitor.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

Vote not final but they're my strongest SR for now.

[KittyTacky]

@Kitty

, this game is more active than the previous one... where are your thoughts?

I'm sharing them as they come up.

You're probably town.

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I have a tinfoil theory. It's Professor and Porkens. (Assuming scum) Professor took a lot of time to defend Porkens. Porkens' "gut" vote on me is an attempt to start a different wagon.

It may be thin, but I see it.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

That’s super dumb.
I am town here.

But I’m ok with dying for the record.

Isn't "fine, kill me" a scumtell?

[KittyTacky]

This whole string of posts is flaily. Scum flaily.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

[KittyTacky]

Don't hesitate. I want to engage more.

[KittyTacky]

Do you think Galron clears Wayward upon wolf flip?
That would be handy.
Thoughts?

wo is this aimed at?
what is a wolf flip?

Werewolf is a variant of mafia so it's basically saying scum flip.

It's not even a variant, it's the same game with different role and faction names.

[KittyTacky]

That's what much of the English-speaking world calls OTB (to use a chess term) Mafia.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

What's your opinion on what I said that ProfessorDrapion's erratic behavior might not come from scum?

They could just be a weird townie but I think they have at least scum equity.

Oh look they claimed. While a backup doctor is an easy role to fake... I'll think about it some more.

UNVOTE: for now.

[KittyTacky]

I have a tinfoil theory. It's Professor and Porkens. (Assuming scum) Professor took a lot of time to defend Porkens. Porkens' "gut" vote on me is an attempt to start a different wagon.

It may be thin, but I see it.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

That’s super dumb.
I am town here.

But I’m ok with dying for the record.

Isn't "fine, kill me" a scumtell?

Don’t think so but I never said “fine, kill me”
I said “IDRC if I do die I’m fine with it.”

Sorry I misinterpreted it as the former, your phrasing was odd.

[KittyTacky]

Little impression of Kitty based on his posts on page 12 and successive Drapion vote. "Vote not final but" in post 300 sounds a little self-conscious coming from a direct personality like Kitty which is the only thing that stuck out to me.

Just because I am diect doesn't mean I should lie about how sure I am of my reads.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

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Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

[KittyTacky]

POE: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

Kitty

}

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

POE: {

Galron

,

Porkens

,

Kitty

}

I'm town.

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

[KittyTacky]

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

That's kinda how Malcolm plays as town. A bit wishy-washy.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty's effort level kinda pales in comparison to 2277, both in post count and the average length of the posts, though 2277 was a bit odd in that someone had a train like almost all day and it just never died.

Imma check out 2100 though.

Not only was I getting pushed a lot in 2277 which always jolts me awake as town, I was a strong PR there.

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...Kind of just a wash for me.

I remember reading a game where Kitty had a PR, in that game he was more relevant and posted more. I don't remember which game it was though, maybe Kitty remembers.

It seems he's trying in this game. He is a hard read.

pedit "And it's not a good question. Drapion defending Porkens early on shouldn't have any influence of whether someone town reads or scum reads Porkens now. The fact that you're calling them scum together already means you can attack almost any potential answer to the question, hence it having no "good" answer." Greeting actually did this very thing in 2100 with Kitty. I still see it as possible.

2267? I was literally an autoconfirm role and then saw red when Scorpious claimed a role that was incompatible with mine.

[KittyTacky]

So I rage pushed him all game until he hung. That's why I was super active.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty seems to have missed the claim at first, so there's that.

Yeah.

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Yeah I should have mentioned that gera is weird, they don't give a damn about the game day 1 and basically become Not_Mafia until D2. That's why I'm hesitant to vote them.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

I did, and he answered.

In fact, you just responded to his response.

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

Day 1 eliminations are more than likely to end in thr death of town - scum should be able to easily direct the vote to someone they want. Why give scum a free death? Why allow them to get claims out townies they run up?

And go into day 2 basically blind? There's no guarantee we will have an investigative guilty day 2. A flip is needed to provide some concrete information to base a solve off of unless you are a god at this game.

[KittyTacky]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

I did, and he answered.

In fact, you just responded to his response.

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

Day 1 eliminations are more than likely to end in thr death of town - scum should be able to easily direct the vote to someone they want. Why give scum a free death? Why allow them to get claims out townies they run up?

And go into day 2 basically blind? There's no guarantee we will have an investigative guilty day 2. A flip is needed to provide some concrete information to base a solve off of unless you are a god at this game.

Not blind. I cut think of a game where town doesn't get some info night 1.
Plus, we have one more town player! And scum haven't been given any info of players forced to claim. I think townnwould do better

One flip isn't enough is what I meant. Especially a flip selected by scum. Also I'd rather have info from claims.

[KittyTacky]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

VOTE: Galron

I veto gera, they play day 1 like this as town, they're at worst null, kill Galron today.

[KittyTacky]

Gera is always anti-town day 1 even if they're not scum.

[KittyTacky]

Hey, I'm cool being launched. Hopefully I help (later) launching scum.

My claim is Town. That's ALL you get.

Maybe see some of you in the dead thread later. I'll be there.

If you are a PR and die while claiming "town" I will be very sad.

[KittyTacky]

Hey, I'm cool being launched. Hopefully I help (later) launching scum.

My claim is Town. That's ALL you get.

Maybe see some of you in the dead thread later. I'll be there.

If you are a PR and die while claiming "town" I will be very sad.

I don't see why Wayward wouldn't admit to their role if they're PR here? Likely they are either just vanilla town or scum.

I have trauma from Discord Mafia and Town of Salem.

[KittyTacky]

I don't really scumread you, I'd rather Galron.

[KittyTacky]

Gera is just confidently incorrect about day 1 play. imo scumreading them for it is a misplay. You gotta take meta into account when reading people.

[KittyTacky]

Hey, I'm cool being launched. Hopefully I help (later) launching scum.

My claim is Town. That's ALL you get.

Maybe see some of you in the dead thread later. I'll be there.

If you are a PR and die while claiming "town" I will be very sad.

I don't see why Wayward wouldn't admit to their role if they're PR here? Likely they are either just vanilla town or scum.

I have trauma from Discord Mafia and Town of Salem.

DUMBTOWNIE, YOU ARE ON TRIAL FOR CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE TOWN. WHAT IS YOUR DEFENSE?

DumbTownie

: im town

THE TOWN HAS VOTED TO <L-word censored> DUMBTOWNIE

14

-

0

DumbTownie

's role was

Investigator

.

[KittyTacky]

Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Salsabil Faria, Shiidaji (E-1)
geraintm (3): Wayward Son, Crescent, NJAC
Galron (1): KittyTacky
MalcolmTucker (1): geraintm
Porkens (1): MalcolmTucker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: 0 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes.

Geraintm needs to ditch the vanity wagon. Kitty too.

Wayward is not scummy to me. Neither is gera. I refuse to vote someone who I don't think is scummy.

[KittyTacky]

gn

[KittyTacky]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

[KittyTacky]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

VOTE: Galron

I veto gera, they play day 1 like this as town, they're at worst null, kill Galron today.

Gera is always anti-town day 1 even if they're not scum.

Is there any reason Ger/Kitty can't be a possible team here as well? Kitty's not gotten too much scrutiny so far but hasn't done much to convince me they're town.

Note the "veto" here - again part of the difficulty with Ger's approach is it's often hard to read D1 but when we were reaching a point where compromise was potentially necessary, why was Kitty so against Ger being eliminated? If they always play like this D1 then it has to be acknowledged that can encompass scum games.

Kitty's determination to push Galron has at least been consistent but also feels like the sort of single-minded logic scum can sometimes get into to ensure they look like they have a strong and driven push. It doesn't feel like Kitty is that open to alternatives to the point where they're basing their other solves almost exclusively on whoever is likely to be paired with Galron, without providing evidence (so far) for who that is likely to be.

1. I'm stating a fact, gera genuinely thinks this is the best play as town. I vetoed because I felt there were better lim targets than someone who was literally null.
2. I hyperfocus on things. As both alignments. Latching onto someone like a tick is NAI for me.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I should have mentioned that gera is weird, they don't give a damn about the game day 1 and basically become Not_Mafia until D2. That's why I'm hesitant to vote them.

I'd also argue Kitty's tone re Ger changed significantly once the wagon on the slot started to gain some momentum.

At first they were merely hesitant due to playstyle; then hesitancy turned into a hard veto. They compared Ger's early play to Not_Mafia but when stuck in previous games there have been occasions where NM has basically been treated like a policy lim.

Kitty stayed on Galron and clearly wasn't particularly confident about eliminating Wayward - but why not fight for that slot as well? Especially when they admitted their read on Ger was no more than "null".

1. It changed because I don't like when town tries to essentially policy lim someone.
2. There's a difference between null for something inherent to their playstyle and null for their actions.

[KittyTacky]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

Agree. Not sure about Kitty, though.

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

That's what we were trying to convince Ger of D1. They are set on their bad playstyle. But it's a fact they do it as town. And I oppose policy lims on principle.

[KittyTacky]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

Can you please summarize your case on Galron?

I'm sheeping Malcolm who sheeped Crescent.

The previous post sums up exactly why I'm not against voting Porkens. Barring a full-on town confirmation. players like him almost always get voted off eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.

But here's a fun fact: Galron really has arguably done even

less

than Porkens has, he just hasn't been as obvious about it. He has given exactly one reason to suspect Drapion (#179), said he's voting him or Malcolm is #384, and given exactly one reason to suspect Malcolm (#472). That's... Really it.

Porkers may be doing next to nothing, but his approach to Wayward, as much as I had to pull teeth to get him to actually elaborate on anything, is more than we've gotten out of Galron. Porkens is failing, but Galron feels like he's totally lurking from commitment.

I feel like we have circled around this train while discussing trains to oppose it, while most people seem to agree everyone voting him is town, while the player the train is on hasn't given us any reason to look away him. I have yet to see anything that resembles true, game-solving thought process, and he's the lowest poster in the entire game, who has done effectively nothing since September 13th.

IMO this makes sense, I played with town Galron and he's not this much of a contentless lurker.

I think Professor is town too, Galron just hid in the shadows while two townies were being run up.

BTW

@Mod the thread icon is still a moon and not a sun.

[KittyTacky]

Not able to post yet but brief skim and Malcom looks pretty scum. Beating a dead horse in grandiose fashion.

As I said before, town!Malcolm is a little wishy-washy.

[KittyTacky]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

Can you please summarize your case on Galron?

I'm sheeping Malcolm who sheeped Crescent.

The previous post sums up exactly why I'm not against voting Porkens. Barring a full-on town confirmation. players like him almost always get voted off eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.

But here's a fun fact: Galron really has arguably done even

less

than Porkens has, he just hasn't been as obvious about it. He has given exactly one reason to suspect Drapion (#179), said he's voting him or Malcolm is #384, and given exactly one reason to suspect Malcolm (#472). That's... Really it.

Porkers may be doing next to nothing, but his approach to Wayward, as much as I had to pull teeth to get him to actually elaborate on anything, is more than we've gotten out of Galron. Porkens is failing, but Galron feels like he's totally lurking from commitment.

I feel like we have circled around this train while discussing trains to oppose it, while most people seem to agree everyone voting him is town, while the player the train is on hasn't given us any reason to look away him. I have yet to see anything that resembles true, game-solving thought process, and he's the lowest poster in the entire game, who has done effectively nothing since September 13th.

IMO this makes sense, I played with town Galron and he's not this much of a contentless lurker.

I think Professor is town too, Galron just hid in the shadows while two townies were being run up.

BTW

@Mod the thread icon is still a moon and not a sun.

I feel like I've seen Galron generally play this way as either alignment? Sometimes they've been more active but never tends to be a dominant figure in games.

Yeah but they don't do this to this extent as town.

[KittyTacky]

That's what we were trying to convince Ger of D1. They are set on their bad playstyle. But it's a fact they do it as town. And I oppose policy lims on principle.

Yes but they employ that playstyle as town and scum. What do you think of their actual play so far? This isn't a policy lim for me, it's that Ger has reverted to their suited playstyle when convenient but pushes players when they think it's beneficial for them. Do you basically think Ger should get a free pass to the end of the game?

They basically start playing day 2. Which is bad for town. But so far their actions today gave off a townie vibe. A bad townie vibe, but still a townie vibe.

[KittyTacky]

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

Can you please summarize your case on Galron?

I'm sheeping Malcolm who sheeped Crescent.

The previous post sums up exactly why I'm not against voting Porkens. Barring a full-on town confirmation. players like him almost always get voted off eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.

But here's a fun fact: Galron really has arguably done even

less

than Porkens has, he just hasn't been as obvious about it. He has given exactly one reason to suspect Drapion (#179), said he's voting him or Malcolm is #384, and given exactly one reason to suspect Malcolm (#472). That's... Really it.

Porkers may be doing next to nothing, but his approach to Wayward, as much as I had to pull teeth to get him to actually elaborate on anything, is more than we've gotten out of Galron. Porkens is failing, but Galron feels like he's totally lurking from commitment.

I feel like we have circled around this train while discussing trains to oppose it, while most people seem to agree everyone voting him is town, while the player the train is on hasn't given us any reason to look away him. I have yet to see anything that resembles true, game-solving thought process, and he's the lowest poster in the entire game, who has done effectively nothing since September 13th.

IMO this makes sense, I played with town Galron and he's not this much of a contentless lurker.

I think Professor is town too, Galron just hid in the shadows while two townies were being run up.

BTW

@Mod the thread icon is still a moon and not a sun.

Okay, but that was like 26 pages ago, is there anything new to add to that case, maybe something specific?

I'm also a bit curious about why you say you are sheeping Malcolm, instead of sheeping Crescent directly, given that it was her case after all. Did you trust Malcolm more than Cres?

1. Not really, because as I said everyone ignored Galron to kill Wayward so Galron didn't get any pressure and so didn't make any comments that could tell if they're scum or town.
2. Because I noticed Malcolm's post first. I am sheeping Crescent of course because Cres was the one making a case. And Cres is a good player.

[KittyTacky]

Okay. Professor, what was your claim yesterday? I can’t find it.

Any thoughts this turn? What do you make of my Ger/Kitty read? How does Wayward turning out to be town affect your read on the game?

It really doesn’t do much, I’m bad at wagon analysis. I think kitty is more likely scum than ger given the soft. Galton I could see scum too.

What do you mean it doesn't do much, I answered the question that was asked to me and linked to the case that I sheeped. How is it an empty post?

[KittyTacky]

Either you misread what I was meaning with this post or you are accusing me with a bald lie.

[KittyTacky]

There is no analysis there. “I’m sheeping” “that makes sense here I’ll paraphrase it” “here’s a random statement based on nothing” “oh kid look”

On what planet is sheeping scummy. I didn't have much to add. Indeed there's no analysis because I agreed with someone else's analysis.

[KittyTacky]

IMO this weird overreaction is scummy. Still, I'd rather Galron.

[KittyTacky]

There is no analysis there. “I’m sheeping” “that makes sense here I’ll paraphrase it” “here’s a random statement based on nothing” “oh kid look”

On what planet is sheeping scummy. I didn't have much to add. Indeed there's no analysis because I agreed with someone else's analysis.

It’s not the sheeping that’s scummy, it’s the act of posting literally nothing that will jostle the game state. Trying not to make waves.

I was asked to explain my vote. I posted my explanation. If I had posted something more elaborate, I would have been lying, since there was really no deeper reasoning than sheeping the case of someone who is now confirmed town. And I don't lie as town.

This is misrep.

[KittyTacky]

Porkens might be scum with Galron, trying to chainsaw defense.

[KittyTacky]

kitty do you have any stratification to your reads?

I haven't made a reads list yet (though I will before day's end) but Shiidaji is the towniest of my townreads and you are the scummier of my two SRs (the other is Porkens).

[KittyTacky]

I'm sorry I"m just not feeling like this right now but it did occur to me that kitty's lack of reassessment or I guess unwillingness to look anywhere else is anti-town. They suss Porkens as being a partner of mine but their read on me is a sheep read. There is no independent thought there. They're basing the entire game on me being scum as suspected by someone else. There is no thought of who could be scum outside of a scum!galron world.

That being said they say they hyperfocus on things and that it's nai. I've played just one game with kitty and they were scum reading me throughout that game, although it didn't seem as intense, and I was town there too. So I'm really on the fence as to whter this is scummy or just anti-town.

1. Why would I do something else if I completely agree with Cres' case.
2. Yeah that's an issue I recognize, when I find someone really scummy it's hard to independently SR other people for me. I genuinely can't help it.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty points out Galron isn't usually this low effort as town but I feel like I definitely have seen them coast a bit as town before.

And it concerns me that Kitty reads - beyond being sheeped - feel like they are all just primarily depending on meta. Galron is scum because they're posting too little; Ger is town because they always play this way. It's a useful way for scum to seem like they have opinions without having an actual view or opinion on the gamestate as it is. My stance on meta is it's useful but has limitations and I think it can look scummy when players use meta to hide behind a read.

1. Not to this extreme extent.
2. Well I do this as town too, I read people I played with by meta a lot. Just my playstyle.

[KittyTacky]

"for me to suggest that people check out Crescent, and then immediately night one either scum me or one of my partners go round their house. And risk someone else be there and spot us?"

Which role in normal can find who visited who? I can't remember this type of roel...

Watcher.

[KittyTacky]

My limpool is Porkens and Galron for today.

[KittyTacky]

What’s your case on Galron?

See Crescent's case. I agree with it fully.

[KittyTacky]

My limpool is Porkens and Galron for today.

I want your opinion on 1124... I'm getting cold feet to vote

Galron

for this.

It doesn't feel like a softclaim to me, it just feels like an oblique way to just claim town when under pressure which IMO is suspect.

[KittyTacky]

Galron isn't hanging today, ima switch to my other scumread.
VOTE: Porkens

E-2.

[KittyTacky]

Porkens' attack on me really smells of scum opportunism under a semi-plausible cover of "Kitty's reasoning is lazy".

[KittyTacky]

And they cooled off quickly after there was pushback. Just bapped and ran. That's scummy IMO.

[KittyTacky]

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

I decided their effort is genuine.

[KittyTacky]

To varying degrees I'd be happy with any of Ger, Galron or Porkens going today, roughly in that order. If the town consolidates on one of them I will change my vote if others are sticking to vanity wagons. That is not fence-sitting at all.

What happened with your case on Kitty? Did you change your mind on that slot?

Also, what do you think about Galron's softclaim?

Forgot about Kitty here but not opposed to an elimination on them. I think it's likely there's one scum in Kitty/Galron for sure. Doesn't seem to be a lot of pressure indicating anyone wants to vote out Kitty right now though.

Can you link me to the softclaim? I constantly miss crumbs when they're thrown.

680

Also, if you think Kitty deserves votes, even if there's not much pressure yet, you should insist. You could start the pressure.

I've said I have other preferred eliminations though, hence why I've not been as vocal about the slot. Been a lot of players looking scummy.

I should add - if Ger comes back town then I think that'd solidify a scumread on Kitty. They've been protective of Ger's slot largely based on meta, conveniently allowing them to ignore Ger's actual play. I've seen Kitty in the past simply push players for looking scummy even if gameplay suggests they're more likely town which gives me a sense there's legs in a partnership here. But Ger is more likely to be eliminated this turn and I think is the better elimination.

Except nothing about Ger's play is scummy to me so your point is moot, if I found their gameplay scummy then I'd push them regardless of meta. But a shitty meta like this isn't scummy, it's anti-town. Subtle difference.

[KittyTacky]

I'm town.

Okay, I'm intrigued now, you have repeated this many times, why are you town?

Because my win condition involves all the mafia dying.

[KittyTacky]

Porkens' backpedal reads like pocketing to me.

[KittyTacky]

I'm getting conflicting feelings on NJAC, not sure how much of that is subconscious OMGUS tho.

[KittyTacky]

It's a bit hard to explain, let my order my thoughts:

1) Mainly gut, probably because of the tone of some posts.

2) I feel like he's adapting his game to change it from the last game we played, to avoid being caught as scum again.

3) Sometimes I feel like he's more informed than what I would expect from a townie.

4) As I said before, I suspect that slot more on D2 than what I was suspecting it on D1.

2) I'm adapting my game because last game I was scum and now I'm town and I have different motivations.
3) I am prone to leaps of logic. Sometimes I am correct.

[KittyTacky]

978 and 979 are probably examples of (1) and (2), and maybe even (3), like I see him too confident and the use of enumeration looks like he's kind of emulating my posting style in that game.

I do enumeration a lot as either alignment tho. And I am pretty confident as town.

[KittyTacky]

So half of your reasons to scumread me are flawed and the other two are flimsy.

[KittyTacky]

At least one scum supporting the wagon on me or considering switching to it. Gun to my head Shidaji comes to my mind.

Shiidaji is town.

[KittyTacky]

I have an investigative role, used it on Kitty on N1, and didn't get any result.

You got No Result? That's because I am an Ascetic Townie!

I crumbed it here (notice the odd wording):

Maybe they're my strongest townread.

Other than some weird wording... None of their posts are scummy to me. Kinda towny tone.

The first letter of each sentence spells out MONK. Monks are known for their asceticism.

I believe NJAC is town now. Could be a scum investigative but I doubt.

[KittyTacky]

OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU JUST HAMMERED HIM

STUPID TOWN

YOU DIDN'T LET ME CHIP IN

PIFIF(I(F$FIIJ(F$KJ()J)_

[KittyTacky]

[KittyTacky]

gj you killed an investigative. Didn't even question his no result claim. Nothing.

[KittyTacky]

We fucking lost.

[KittyTacky]

This is like slow-motion Town Of Salem.

[KittyTacky]

Good game. It was fun.

In retrospect Salsa's hammer saved the town, in spite of statistically being a poor play. Nice twist.

[KittyTacky]

Also I called it about Galron.

[KittyTacky]

I once got force-replaced because I forgot the "don't quote mod PMs" rule.

[KittyTacky]

Feel better soon!

[KittyTacky]

It was unfortunate that the end of D2 was during my sleeping time. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that I was about to get hammered so claimed, and I had some convincing arguments to explain why I chose Kitty, but I needed to go back to sleep, and I never imagined that town was going to hammer a claimed investigative role. That was decisive for the game, so well done Town, specially Porkens and Salsa.

What were those arguments?

Future Reference for NJAC wolf Tell:
Uses the term “newbie” allot more then they should have on day 1.


I ironically finished this game at the same time I finished another and the wolf also used a specific word multiple times oddly.
However that dude was a power player and another power player told everyone to not vote him and to vote me if I try.
And the dude thinks that was fine. :p
Claims it didn’t cost us the game when it kinda did but whatever.

Now he knows.