Datisi's Café [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

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VOTE: s_s

[PenguinPower]

Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

Don't hate this take.

Still want to vote s_s.

Bring me a Roden wagon.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ydrasse

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VOTE: Ircher

My personal opinion is that Something_Smart is pretty scummy in his own right and I don't have a strong opinion on the Ircher-informed thing, but if we're partnering these two together then sure let's go

agree on s_s

what's the ircher slip? he's got like three posts.

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ah - hmmm

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Surely town has a lot of power, right? Otherwise it would be trivial to get 75% or more productivity.

i mean - we have very little understanding of how much productivity it takes to utilize a pr so that's just broad assumption

[PenguinPower]

"some stuff that's tempting" does not necessarily equal "a lot of power"

but at this point i'm just arguing to argue

[PenguinPower]

why did you assume it was 16:5?

i didn't assume anything.

[PenguinPower]

why did you assume it was 16:5?

i didn't assume anything.

my mind jumped to 16:5 because

that's the standard ratio? lol

what answer were you expecting

uh...no? lol. 17:4 would be a more reasonable expectation tbh, especially with the multikill.

oh sorry - i forgot that closed setups where we have little information except that scum have the ability to multi-kill means that we should assume the setup is a superhigh power setup.

[PenguinPower]

uh...you don't just add 1 scum for every 3 town wtf?

the relationship does not scale linearly...

[PenguinPower]

but whatever, apparently that's what you think.

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lol

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do you think me saying 16:5 is normal is alignment indicative? lol

no, but i thought it was interesting you were calling out ircher for assuming a ratio without explanation when you were doing the same

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the relationship does not scale linearly...

What relationship? There's a sweet spot for player enjoyment that usually sits around 25% of the game being scum. Too high and it feels like town has no control, too low and it can feel hard to find scum. I don't see why that wouldn't be linear.

i mean - i don't think that's a true statement, but this isn't MD so moving on.

[PenguinPower]

The extra mechanic is not pro-scum. It limits the usability of town PR's, but in a way that's entirely in town's control.

I, for one, love that Datisi posts a regular accounting of everyone's productivity usage.

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and i'm not dumbtelling thanks. do i really have to sift my ass through completed large games to prove that games of this size will generally have 5 scum i swear to god

Sure - look at the last three completed games that were around this size.

god.

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I, for one, love that Datisi posts a regular accounting of everyone's productivity usage.

I mean, if we wanted to do that, we could. We probably will at some point. But even if we don't, all the actions that matter are taken by town.

by individual town not the collective town

[PenguinPower]

klick can have my first town read of the game

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viewtopic.php?p=13278073

I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helps

that's the standard ratio? lol

what answer were you expecting

mostly because of this. lol.

oh and here's a 20p game with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89500

and a 19p

datisi

game with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120

and a 21p game with 4 (+ 3rd party): viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

[PenguinPower]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.

i mean - i don't care to defend ircher much if at all becuase he calculation comes across as based on more than an assumption but i think it's a stretch to say he's frozen just becuase of a login time from an hour ago.

[PenguinPower]

you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

I don't think this is a safe assumption!

would love to be wrong though

[PenguinPower]

you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

I don't think this is a safe assumption!

would love to be wrong though

Well, I'm doing my best. If you're really interested in that, we could have a conversation about optimal productivity play and then try to get as many people to sign off on it as possible.

Sure - I'll discuss optimal play with you as soon as you make your D1 vote.

[PenguinPower]

well that didn't go as expected but i am happy with the result.

[PenguinPower]

sorry - is your pfp riku?

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Wait yume is playing with ircher?

i thought this was a no hydra game

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<3

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peta put simply the ones who 'know' into the bad vibes category

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I think I agree with Penguin 100% here about set up balances. Feels kinda weird, I'm usually neutral at best with him.

while most of my reads are weak vibes i'd already bet the game on penguin being town

Pocketing attempt detected.

Rolling insight versus deception.

Pocketing attempt successful.

[PenguinPower]

sidenote: i'm also concerned with the lack of input from basically everyone who is parked on the ydrasse wagon, especially since the slot has hardly been commented on seriously by anyone

Wagons are good.

Input given.

[PenguinPower]

^I thought these were the kind of 'main characters' lately, let me know who else you want me to feature!

Heartbroken.

Spoiler:

Relegated to a supporting role

don't be riku next time then

[PenguinPower]

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uh oh

page 30

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town

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pr - at least - will not vote

[PenguinPower]

Uh…we’re past page 30…page 40?

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[quote="In post 835, Klick"][/quote]

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

[PenguinPower]

uh....weird

[PenguinPower]

If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

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Wit that said, Ircher is the type of scum that’s willing to take a bullet for a partner. So I don’t think Titus’ argument that Irchers wagon sprung up to divert from someone else is merit-less.

You think Ircher deliberately baited a wagon on himself? How?

No, I think Ircher meant to push attention somewhere else and it backfired. It wouldn’t make sense to just bait a wagon on himself.

This is nonsense. 1) I didn't bait a wagon on myself at all. I got wagoned for a perceived scum slip. 2) I was the first wagon of the game. There was nothing for me to distract from.

Not true. There were competing wagons on ydrasse and Ausuka before you.

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If you vote Ircher now maybe we could end it by 35

happy to given his recent contribution but mastina seemed like she's doing her catch up thing.

I'm good; vote away!

cool

so like here's you t-10

[PenguinPower]

boy there's like 3 left

[PenguinPower]

fuck - should have hammered at the pagetop

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VOTE: Ircher

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Seems like a lot of points for that ability tbh.

[PenguinPower]

I don't do hero shots, I kill those who refuse to play
It's a very obvious vig shot

Maybe learn to holster. Especially in a large where you ability probably has increasing cost to use.

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And people tend to be more active later on.

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P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

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Actually, maybe don’t tell me.

Good catch - that was scummy.

[PenguinPower]

Good, now all the PR's are dead, so we can stop giving scum extra kills.

...you really want me to scum read you don't you.

[PenguinPower]

PenguinPower’s vote for Ydrasse I think on page 5

was literally to create equal competing wagons.

Hi - I'm penguin.

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P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

Enough
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.

I mean - given your stance, I wuld disagree you've played enough with you playbook on vig. But meh.

And, yeah, Luke obiovusly has an agenda...it's to get you yeeted.

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...you really want me to scum read you don't you.

If you really want to do it, I won't stand in the way of your dreams.

Obviously for a setup like this you can't assume that town will completely coordinate productivity, but you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

mmm....

[PenguinPower]

-A traffic analyst flipped. A percentage of scum having communication built into their actual role makes the guilties there more deniable, and makes the TA be more of an inno-hunting role.

With a 70% base productivity cost you think it's an inno hunting role?

[PenguinPower]

mmph - missed bbt was jk + neighborizer.

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-

Really, the scum power is just their base kill. The extra kills serve to limit town power.

stahp

[PenguinPower]

like it's grating on me now - base psychology is going to have town using their power because people at heart are not logical.

[PenguinPower]

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like it's grating on me now - base psychology is going to have town using their power because people at heart are not logical.

Some of them are.

obviously not enough to your point yesterday

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: s_sVOTE: [v/]

[PenguinPower]

oop - i borked my s_s vote

VOTE: s_s

there we go

everything is right with the world now

[PenguinPower]

oop - i borked my s_s vote

VOTE: s_s

there we go

everything is right with the world now

Can you explain what this vote of yours is attempting to communicate?
I heavily oppose a SS lim

VOTE: something_smart

[PenguinPower]

SS, what are your reads?

[PenguinPower]

Is it possible we have S v S wagons and scum were trying to get my wagon to go?

[PenguinPower]

I like wagon momentum, but I was unsure when I voted S_S, and I'm still unsure. I'm having second thoughts

go on and unvote.

i deserve to be the first voter. it's as the world intended but for the bork.

[PenguinPower]

oh - thx

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: s_sVOTE: [v/]

^

no - the borked vote that wasn't counted.

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If you are Artanis I will find you btw

[PenguinPower]

Her "Ircher is frozen" arguement is awkward as hell, given the context of him not being in thread at all from 8:20 PM est on the 14th to 3:30 PM est on the 15th (pretty standard time from someone to be asleep -> work). But, if she is scum wanting to double down on her doomed team mate, AFTER she has made lots of posts saying how the tmi thing is not real, she really did not have many other options.

tbf - she saw he logged into the site during that timeframe but failed to post which is why I think she said he was frozen.

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So, I did my Luke's Thoughts on Mastina wrt Ircher post.

you borked the link btw.

[PenguinPower]

pssh - who dreams of nashville?

hmm...debating whether or not i should townbin luke rn

[PenguinPower]

i'm waffling on who is in the scum basket atm.

please ask again in 24 hours.

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well - i mean - i think i've been clear on my stance on s_s.

[PenguinPower]

+1 just claim your productivity costs.

Like - no reason to hide them at this point.

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ty for that - highly insightful.

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i don't really see the stubbornness as especially scummy bc ive seen roden do the "well now i am not doing it" penguin meme as town before

I am a meme?!?!

yay

[PenguinPower]

i'll take it!

[PenguinPower]

0%

Now town lock me

yeah........no

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ty for that - highly insightful.

I had rather hoped you'd find it insightful that mastina is either instacatching all scum, or doing so while scum herself.
The rest is just a reason for most of us to be rather amused around here. We live in parallel realities.

i mean - it's mastina...so...the former is possible and we're yet to see?

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Are you saying you don't believe me

considering it contradicts your earlier statement...yeah...no.

[PenguinPower]

So it's throwing a temper tantrum to just do what was asked of me

Cool

What? Where did this happen?

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I also said you had no reason to believe me, which...is exactly what happened.

Because you said something different than you did initially?

Maybe clear that up?

[PenguinPower]

Right - but why did you say "if I don't use?"

That implies your modifier has a cost.

[PenguinPower]

Like - if the modifier has 0 cost why would you not use it despite your assessed usefulness?

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Because if I leave things vague and don't get voted out then scum might think I'm softing a modifier that could actually hurt them, thus giving them a reason to NK me

You...aren't in the place though. Like - that's not the likely outcome at this point.

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Is Roden known for being uncooperative/obstinate as town?

i don't really see the stubbornness as especially scummy bc ive seen roden do the "well now i am not doing it" penguin meme as town before

I am a meme?!?!

yay

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We have like 12 days left so i'm not sure why that's your conclusion at this point, but you shutting down certainly doesn't help.

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If you think a scum puts up that type of defense I don‘t know what to tell you.

um.....

[PenguinPower]

not_mastina, not_lukewarm, not_titus, and not_Roden

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tbf that's an interesting take that i hope is true

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not really worried if mastina, luke, and titus are all town tbh

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The only thing that gives me paused on Roden is wagon distribution.

It's either a) scum shopping for a backup and failing or b) scum waiting out a TvT.

If we do move off of Roden, it should be to someone not voting for either Roden or myself.

someone like....s_s!

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And if I go the really, really lazy route and consider this entire day a bunch of noise while town argues over which TvT wagon is better and turn a sonar on, I get a bunch of names that should pop up: Klick, Uncrowned, Penguin, jjh, RCE, perhaps Ausuka.

not bad names

[PenguinPower]

yeah uncrowned and penguinpower are goated user names for sure

i'm a meme

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dann is great thought so hype

[PenguinPower]

I am choosing to read all Vivax posts as haiku despite structural deviation from now on

[PenguinPower]

exactly

[PenguinPower]

Ircher, as scum
Dead in the water he was
Share to who can't see

[PenguinPower]

Mastina could be;
Scum. Probs. Though she is the;
Only active one.

[PenguinPower]

Dann can be town.

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Penguin why do you think S_S is scum

I don't really want to be too specific but it was around his mech talk about productivity and early posting today wrt productivity and PRs.

He hasn't done much to allay that since then.

[PenguinPower]

Also - did you see that he vote D1 upon request?

so weird.

[PenguinPower]

was it something you think he got like "wrong?" (whether intentionally or because he's coming from a scum perspective?)

or was it the mech talk in lieu of other content

eh - i want to leave it there for right now.

[PenguinPower]

Mastina could be;
Scum. Probs. Though she is the;
Only active one.

I see writing like a wave and an old deal struck at 5 AD at the eve of the Fall of Rome that persisted until today, while people follow their programming in their little bubble that keeps them sane, while a bunch of remnants of feudalism keep the servants at arm's length telling them this machine is going to last forever.

Old deal, Ancient Wave
A bubble keeps them sane while
servants are lasting

[PenguinPower]

Mastina could be;
Scum. Probs. Though she is the;
Only active one.

I see writing like a wave and an old deal struck at 5 AD at the eve of the Fall of Rome that persisted until today, while people follow their programming in their little bubble that keeps them sane, while a bunch of remnants of feudalism keep the servants at arm's length telling them this machine is going to last forever.

Old deal, Ancient Wave
A bubble keeps them sane while
servants are lasting

Servants don't consume fossils, machines do. You think the former is more valuable than the latter?
Should have become a resonance chamber, not a latifundium

Fossil of import
machine action takes
determine value?

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VOTE: roden

e-1

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i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I always register as having a PT.

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I count as having one but one doesn't exist for Ydrasse to join.

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I always register as having a PT.

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Mastina, Fire only claimed to be able to determine if someone acted or not. It's weaker than a tracker.

productivity requirements seem high if that's the case

[PenguinPower]

i mean - thanks for all of the words - but the role itself doesn't make sense...both weak and loyal modifiers on a conditional masonizer with 150% productivity requirement? meh.

[PenguinPower]

my vote is on titus in spirit but i don't wanna anger the jjh gods.

[PenguinPower]

possibly - what were the other three colors?

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mmm - think you should have gone with blue, but thank for your indulging me.

VOTE: titus

[PenguinPower]

hmmm

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i feel like you've been very adamant about town!S_S this game

she's been adamant he's town with conditions

conditions that i disagree with so he's probably just scum

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: s_s

[PenguinPower]

No idea how you have mala as your top townread

And I’m a gut player.

[PenguinPower]

wait, what was fire's claim again?

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oh yeah - your power requirement seems off for that

[PenguinPower]

i mean - if it's true i will be asking questions, but your production claim is almost on par with flipped doc and jk with a weaker ability

[PenguinPower]

yeah - but those are flipped now so...confirmed...and the doc and jk make sense.

[PenguinPower]

Cool cool

Interesting mastina isn’t voting you though.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: fire

[PenguinPower]

I need to heavily reconsider fireisredsir as potential scum, I think.

Why did you have him as town originally?

Hi s_s. Nice to see you.

Where are you at with your reads/who do you want to vote?

[PenguinPower]

What's unbelievable about the claim to you?

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why is it not believable that i would target the same player twice in a row?

The cost is 150%. (Do the math--0% productivity on D1 + 50% productivity on D2 = 150% banked for N2.)

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whats the issue penguin

why do you think someone with a 150% requirement is going to act again/why do you think scum lying about it would take an action that's not killing you?

[PenguinPower]

oh - this whole argument already happened

[PenguinPower]

yeah yeah - i picked up on that

[PenguinPower]

I’m sorry - someone explain to me again why mala is town?

[PenguinPower]

choo choo

VOTE: furtive

[PenguinPower]

why?

[PenguinPower]

no you stole my pagetop

yes - yes i did

[PenguinPower]

yes

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yes

What other original takes have you had?

wasabi is good on gyoza

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I absolutely disagree that original thought is required to be town or even town indicative.

I also disagree that I'm just going with the flow, though I don't care to argue you...I do happen to agree with mastina's takes, however.

[PenguinPower]

v/la through the 16th

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I actually don’t really want s_s anymore today…prefer furtive or fire. Will vote mala if needed.

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i feel like the day has stagnated and we should probably consolidate now so it doesn’t get bogged down with apathy

People should hop off their vanity wagons then.

Yell directly at them with as much sarcasm as you can muster.

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Still completely fine with yeeting furtive. Will hammer mala. I’ll be honest - I haven’t read a lot of what Andres has wallposted but I’m happy to sheep Dann. Vanity voters still need to be useful.

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Still completely fine with yeeting furtive. Will hammer mala. I’ll be honest - I haven’t read a lot of what Andres has wallposted but I’m happy to sheep Dann. Vanity/non-voters still need to be useful.

ebwop

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: andres

[PenguinPower]

eurgh am i being pocketed by PP

Yes.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: andres

Like this slot hasn’t read my posts but comes out of VLA to vote me when a wagon builds?

You’re damn right I made you an even wagon.

[PenguinPower]

btw was there a reason we aren't killing fire today i forgot

No idea. Furtive/fire are my preference but I’m sheeping you rn.

[PenguinPower]

s_s is certainly a choice there.

[PenguinPower]

Scum probably within [fire, furtive]

Outside chance of [jjh]

I agree with this.

[PenguinPower]

Will wait for fire to post results though.

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Massclaim should be a huge thing rn because scum can't multitask, the last scum is known to be a roleblocker, and there are lots of power roles floating about

Sure. It also gives a glaring roadmap of which PRs to block. Awesome suggestion tbh.

[PenguinPower]

Scum can’t multitask

unless

they have the modifier. Perhaps read the setup.

[PenguinPower]

Disagree that fire is basically a cop.

[PenguinPower]

That literally just means having the multitasking modifier and we have no indication whether they do or not except to infer from flipped scum power.

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I mean, if fire announces a target and we tell that target not to act, wouldn't that be a cop check?

Assuming a town slot and scum no kills….what then?

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All for hearing fire’s actions. I am against mass claiming.

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I mean, if fire announces a target and we tell that target not to act, wouldn't that be a cop check?

Assuming a town slot and scum no kills….what then?

Then we have a no killing scum yay?
Like this is a big positive

My point is it’s not a cop check…

[PenguinPower]

Why is playing around Multitasking Roleblocker more important than coordinating our night actions/getting clears

Because a multitasking roleblocker would make coordinating night actions pointless and prevent getting clears.

[PenguinPower]

Or we could spend a couple of days no-limming and banking up productivity for shits and giggles.

I mean - this also assume fire is town.

[PenguinPower]

Not necessarily? They can only interfere with two people at once and they're probably not ungated.

Maybe. Flipped scum power is pretty weak so far.

[PenguinPower]

Massclaim should be a huge thing rn because scum can't multitask, the last scum is known to be a roleblocker, and there are lots of power roles floating about

Sure. It also gives a glaring roadmap of which PRs to block. Awesome suggestion tbh.

Scum can't multitask so good luck blocking the PRS, PP

Maybe read the setup jjh.

[PenguinPower]

So what exactly makes you think we have a Multitasking Roleblocker PP

Nothing. It’s called risk management and I don’t think outing all PRs today is worth the risk.

[PenguinPower]

You all are acting like idiots.

Fine. Massclaim.

I’m a forum mafia player (tracker) base 15% cost + 10% for each subsequent shot. I’ve been banking productivity and used my first short last night in Andre (didn’t go anywhere) since if we’re in 17:4, it’s basically a cop shot. This is why I’ve been skeptical of fire’s productivity claim since the original claim as I can get three full tracks out for less than three of his shots.

Piss off.

[PenguinPower]

Yes. Banking productivity. Trackers are more useful when there is less scum especially in a Pr heavy setup.

[PenguinPower]

are less scum*

[PenguinPower]

I don’t want to say entirely right now. But the hammer on mala was sus.

[PenguinPower]

I'll also say- yeah, that's dirt cheap, but it would be very poor mechanical spec to assume that the power of the role is the only factor in determining the % cost. Rather, a low percentage cost for a more powerful role would itself be a way of making a role higher power.


Obviously, if Andres did in fact go anywhere we would all be very interested in hearing that and we can end this early

I already said he didn’t go anywhere.

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You all are acting like idiots.

Fine. Massclaim.

I’m a forum mafia player (tracker) base 15% cost + 10% for each subsequent shot. I’ve been banking productivity and used my first short last night in Andre (didn’t go anywhere) since if we’re in 17:4, it’s basically a cop shot.

This is why I’ve been skeptical of fire’s productivity claim since the original claim as I can get three full tracks out for less than three of his shots.

Piss off.

I'm not sure why Datisi would put a low-cost full Tracker and a higher-cost Lazy Tracker in the same setup. It doesn't add up in terms of setup design.

I don’t think he claimed lazy tracker. He’s a motion detector.

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i wonder if datisi like intentionally made role costs be slightly not equivalent to their actual usefulness in order to confuse people/prevent outguessing the mod kind of stuff

like 15% for a tracker shot vs 150% for a cop shot? 25% for mine, and 70% for a TA?

maybe like part of the game is figuring out if your ability cost is worth using

i was assuming (and i think most people were) that the cost would like balance out to make all prs roughly equal in usefulness/cost, but in a normal game that's not how it works, some roles are stronger than others, so i don't think that assumption necessarily has to be true

You’re probably right.

[PenguinPower]

Fire can be town I guess.

[PenguinPower]

you can probably assume that town will make some collective effort to keep average productivity in the 75-85% range.

I don't think this is a safe assumption!

would love to be wrong though

like it's grating on me now - base psychology is going to have town using their power because people at heart are not logical.

[PenguinPower]

So then I’m clear. That’s even worse. If I didn’t go anywhere, then I didn’t kill anyone. Which I know I didn’t. But even less reason to be saying that I’m suspicious. Unless I’m what, Ninja? And really?

You were suspicious at the end of yesterday. Obviously you aren’t suspicious now that you’re cleared.

[PenguinPower]

Like I doubt Town has two Trackers? Is that what we’re saying?

Fire is a motion detector. I am a tracker.

[PenguinPower]

Bad vote. Can we just let mass claim play out.

[PenguinPower]

Don’t forget s_s.

[PenguinPower]

I don't think Uncrowned is a town PR, I think that visit is a guilty result.

I’m going to quote this and say



That is all.

[PenguinPower]

Btw, Penguin and fire should agree on respective pools of players they will act upon if they are choosing to continue to use their abilities (so they don’t overlap exactly). Since they can’t both be blocked, they can probably confirm a player at Night. If the Scum can multi-task, then we won’t glean any information tomorrow (and that’s possibly the outcome, but then that’s also somewhat useful I suppose), but if they both can, then one will likely die, and the other one may be able to share a result tomorrow.

Agree with this.

I’ll post my pool after massclaim but I already have a solid idea.

[PenguinPower]

Patience, my dear. Patience.

[PenguinPower]

we were kinda forced into it...yeah....

[PenguinPower]

Can confirm. Uncrowned was mod-confirmed to be aligned with the café's employees.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not unvoting unless the claim is good

VOTE: Uncrowned

I don't think Uncrowned is a town PR, I think that visit is a guilty result.

I’m going to quote this and say



That is all.

Lol

[PenguinPower]

Given how it has played out...yes.

Feel free to claim next.

[PenguinPower]

although jjh has claimed to be a pr too

[PenguinPower]

You all are acting like idiots.

Fine. Massclaim.

I’m a forum mafia player (tracker) base 15% cost + 10% for each subsequent shot. I’ve been banking productivity and used my first short last night in Andre (didn’t go anywhere) since if we’re in 17:4, it’s basically a cop shot. This is why I’ve been skeptical of fire’s productivity claim since the original claim as I can get three full tracks out for less than three of his shots.

Piss off.

This is the least believable claim for me. I'm struggling as to who else could be mafia, maybe S_S if Titus went completely rogue with the bussing.

lol - I don't claim a clearing roll as scum with 9p left.

[PenguinPower]

i want jjh > s_s next tbh.

others can weigh in if they feel differently

[PenguinPower]

Was anyone scumreading Andres though? I just feel like I would track every night

I did so at the advice of counsel. And, as stated before, tracker is much stronger with less scum which is what I was waiting for. I don't tend to be voted out early, and I am rarely nightkilled early. Seemed like a safe bet in a PR heavy setup.

I feel like I've said this and you are ignoring it.

[PenguinPower]

Uncrowned didn’t mod confirm until today

^this

[PenguinPower]

I was originally going to track s_s to be fair, but yeah, I wanted to act on group advice.

[PenguinPower]

Someone explain why Klick is clear again

Click was confirmed by s_s to have acted outside of the nightkill and we're assuming the scum roleblocker doesn't have the multitasking modifier.

there were two kills and klick couldn't both kill and act in that scenario.

[PenguinPower]

I get that I'm in the middle of everyone's poe. I'll try to rectify this. Don't hammer me before I wake up (about 7 hours time).

I mean - if you're town just accept it at this point. Not sure why you want to keep fighting it tbh.

[PenguinPower]

It's not that we're assuming the scum roleblocker isn't multitasking, it's that we're assuming that the scum roleblocker doesn't also have Klick's power.

sure sure, that too potentialscum #2.

[PenguinPower]

s_s next pls

[PenguinPower]

I've already banked enough that I can fund today with 95%. I submitted 80% so I can fund tomorrow at 85%.

[PenguinPower]

Obviously things have changed so I can resubmit as needed.

[PenguinPower]

You know we can figure this one out really easily right? Our % is calculable. Mastina had a 1-shot role and Ydrasse was against using abilities unnecessarily.


Klick, Penguinpower, Uncrowned, and Fire- what percentage effort did you put in last phase?

80%

[PenguinPower]

As stated, I currently have 80% submitted for today so that I can get a third shot in without dipping below 75%.

[PenguinPower]

Gonna be mad if it’s s_s and I was swayed away from tracking.

[PenguinPower]

There were two kills last night phase. For us to be between 50 and 75%, 250 out of the total 1000 points would need to have been used for PRs.

40+35+20 is 95. Even if Klick went 0 there's 55 missing. Really strange for there to be a discrepency as this is something only town can affect?

We don’t know what mastina and ydrasse’s productivity was.

[PenguinPower]

Maybe we’re in 16:5 with a traitor that can affect town productivity….idk.

[PenguinPower]

I’m tracking in furtive/jjh…does it really make sense to have separate pools? Fire and I should track in jjh/furtive/Dann and if we overlap oh well, but at least one of us will have a result on that group.

Why were we going to have separate pools?