Datisi's Café [game over!]

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let's fucking go i'm back baby

VOTE: Ausuka

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Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.

Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?

Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.

damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRs

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ydrasse vote ausuka with me

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Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

Because they didn’t read carefully enough?

Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.

yeah i can imagine it would be difficult having to come back and play scum

it's ok take it slow i'll call you out later

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let's fucking go i'm back baby

VOTE: Ausuka

town

you wouldn't by any chance be trying to flatter me would you, peta? you know I love being called town you sly devil

[Uncrowned]

then do it

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@Andre

why are you voting ydrasse atm

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Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

Because they didn’t read carefully enough?

Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.

No, because I've played with Roden enough to know that this isn’t Rodens towngame.
Roden is also not likely to genuinely make the mistake as town.

Beyond that, the contribution is generically a scum one regardless of the above.

is this premise the same one behind your ircher vote

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but otherwise will be sitting back sipping a coffee in the corner yknow

this kind of attitude is why this cafe gets absolutely nothing done

i say we fire peta. clearly not hard-working enough to deserve a spot on this roster. i bet you can't even do latte art

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have my powers of sarcasm failed me

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i feel like this post is actually AI, believe it or not

i haven't decided which direction yet though

hopefully town

what is the point of this

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it's my masterplan just gimme a minute and don't ask anymore questions

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VOTE: Ydrasse

I like uncrowned, andres, SS, and maybe Ausuka for town.

Roden gets dunked on every game I’ve played with them. I won’t say don’t suspect them if you really do but make it juicy at least.

I still probably won’t be interested.

the first half of these reads are superb!

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Sorry I'm late, take it out of my wages.

vote before i influence town to fire you for a lack of work ethic

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however i think after i am done executing my (arguably) masterplan we all follow my lead and start running up fire because so far i am

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ok both the people starting with f are under investigation for being bad employees

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you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

oh yeah?

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you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

oh yeah?

Furtive did in fact have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

yeah so funny story i thought "you" was used as a generalization and not to furtive directly

ignore me (don't actually do this you'll regret it)

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Oh I read this the same way whoops.

yeah cool you're lock town

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yo S_S where's your wagon analysis you got asked for it earlier

this setup talk is almost as worthless as (some) of my posting geez

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aorn the undisputable best doggos: uncrowned & RC

the most likely good doggo: andre

the questionable good doggos: peta, titan, mastina, ydrasse

the two fs (furtive and fire for those unawarea) and ausuka require further inspection

i can also be convinced of perhaps joining the charge onto one Ircher if they do not have a sufficient defense and people are not enlightened enough to join me on my crusade against ausuka

that is all for now

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yeah but i think the point can be made in a lot less posts and most people have the common sense to be able to compare the value of their PR to the productivity they can offer the team

i would much rather he give some actual thoughts relevant to the people in this game rn

pedit: this is @peta

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So you like inspecting?

yes

pedit: LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

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i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

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yo S_S where's your wagon analysis you got asked for it earlier

since when am I known for wagon analysis and also when did this happen

i didn't say you were known for it, just that you got asked for it

and now i'm asking too so pwetty please?

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SS, quick reads on the four wagons.

On a side note, I think this setup does qualify as tradegy of the commons but it's not worth arguing the philosphy. We agree where it courts.

@Something_Smart

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this is getting good

VOTE: Ircher

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let's fucking go i'm back baby

VOTE: Ausuka

town

you wouldn't by any chance be trying to flatter me would you, peta? you know I love being called town you sly devil

yes absolutely what are you going to do about it

i feel like this post is actually AI, believe it or not

i haven't decided which direction yet though

hopefully town

yo so are you going to end up circling back to this or was this just busywork to look like you're doing something?

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titus is definitely on the verge of joining best doggos alongside myself and RC

[Uncrowned]

Uncrowned are you evil

in general or in this game?

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@Something_Smart

oh, I did miss that, but that's not asking for wagon analysis, just reads on particular people.

Ydrasse slightly town, Ausuka null, Ircher null, mastina slightly scum.

go on

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Uncrowned are you evil

in general or in this game?

erm both... for different reasons... smile

i am an angel in both scenarios

smile

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...

so guys, about that ydrasse wagon...

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welcome back peta

join me in the crusade against ircher

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Being town is cute

naw, I'm flattered <3

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my understanding is you have experience with uncrowned, is your feeling there based on knowing them?

i am not feeling the good vibes

VOTE: uncrowned

interesting choice for a vanity considering it's on the one guy that called you out

out of interest, do these vibes also apply to furtive? if not, why?

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From the last 4ish pages, Titus +Town and PP +town. Everyone choosing to engage and re-engage the 4 scum/5 scum discussion tanking. Also hate the Titus vote timings. (As in the votes on Titus not the slot of Titus voting.)

this is goated posting

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i just don't buy a post like 221

go on

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malas vote is unconvincing

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dw ydrasse I'll be getting to you later for your treason

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didn't really feel like you had an actual interest in sorting me, felt like you were just checking a box on a list of things you're supposed to be doing in a mafia game. feels a little artificial

I dont think bringing up an old post of yours where you hedged on a read really does anything to get me TR by people who aren't already TRing me. I'd even argue it's unnecessary

also the whole "checking a box" thing is basically the point j made about you so that's interesting

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VOTE: Ausuka

I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.

This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?

Good posting

can you post a little less you're flooding the game

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roden has gone missing ever since he stopped getting questioned for the mech mistake stuff

you got any actual input now or are you just here to defend yourself when you get sussed

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I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.

I am confused.

What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)

I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.

But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.

How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.

VOTE: petapan

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

My bad, this is what I said: I still believe in the Ircher vote, guilty until proven innocent for me. Can't wait for them to come on and explain.

I dont get this

how can it be too obvious to be scum but you still believe in the vote, feel like it's gotta be one or the other and this sounds a bit fence sitty

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oh I'm dumb vivax wrote the first part mb

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why

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no I actually don't hence why I asked

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Malakittens
Vivax
Klick
Ydrasse



mas tina?
ircher? eh.....
uncrowned?

fixing a broken link by nero's request ~D

what is this list tho I'm legitimately confused

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I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.

Yeah he's starting to look like a Moroccan hashish plantation

VOTE: Ircher

L-1

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.

I am confused.

What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)

I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.

But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.

How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.

VOTE: petapan

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

so what changed between here and here, trajectory isn't clear

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and by not clear I mean non-existent but I'm a nice guy so I'd never say it so harshly

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what does the "ones who know" mean

and how is it flailing

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so now he's too obvious to be scum but still worth putting up for hammer? or is he not anymore? this feels off

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it doesn't really make a lot of sense that the supposed "slip" gets brought up to save s_s from pressure because it's not like could plan on ircher making a post like that and pushing it strategically so it's kind of ridiculous

I understand your point here but the post was made and made very early into the game at that so couldn't it still be used? or am i missing something?

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who has experience playing with Mr vivax

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oh man

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i mean just the idea that it was being brought up strategically to take pressure off a buddy, i really don't buy that being a thing someone (even titus) actually thinks about. stuff like that almost always gets found organically.

ok, this makes more sense. though I guess the question becomes how do you determine what is and isn't organic

I feel like this might be a good thing to take note of though and return to once some flips have happened

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do you have thoughts on other slots, Ircher?

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I'm not sure if Ircher "slipped". I mean, maybe but getting to L-1 in 14 pages sorta just makes me think it's a ML.

see, this is where i get a bit confused

from what i understand about wagons, if the wagon sort of stagnates and the game goes into a lull state or whatever, that can be a sign that scum are "ok" with the elim happening which could signify that it's a town wagon, right? that's the logic? correct me if i'm wrong i'm still learning

so wouldn't the wagon progressing quick contradict that, or is the speed another thing that's a concerning factor?

fmpov i think that it could be a slip and it was worth following up to get content out of the slot. so far, i think ircher's lack of reads is concerning

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sidenote: i'm also concerned with the lack of input from basically everyone who is parked on the ydrasse wagon, especially since the slot has hardly been commented on seriously by anyone

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VOTE: Roden

time to play the game my friend

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the accusation of someone being frozen for not posting within a 19 hour window is pretty lulzy


this isn't fucking mafia universe and i'm grateful for that


(this is not implying a read on ircher ftr)

Vibing with this. It's just a reasonable take.

roden has gone missing ever since he stopped getting questioned for the mech mistake stuff

you got any actual input now or are you just here to defend yourself when you get sussed

Not vibing with this though.

I don't think I was gone all that long? I went to bed then went to work when I woke up. And I've been keeping up with the thread and responding to stuff and giving my thoughts. What gave you the impression otherwise?

I think I agree with Penguin 100% here about set up balances. Feels kinda weird, I'm usually neutral at best with him.

funnily enough after calling you out i remember thinking "hm maybe that was a bit hasty" but then straight after with your very next post you proved me right and went straight back to mech talk in 432 lol

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and your thoughts prior to this recent posting you've just done were all setup/mech related, so there's not really much to 'vibe' with it's just facts

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thank you sir

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ydrasse how do you feel about your wagon

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let me rephrase: the people on your wagon

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and his posts when he came back were kind of bad tbh

yes

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it's just v minimal and i wouldn't be surprised if it's an attempt to avoid associatives at this point in the event this goes through

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from like, a fear of being elimmed perspective? no.

from a "there's probably at least one scum on here" yeah I think so?

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granted the activity level of the entire wagon is low but i doubt it's just all town chillin on there

i think andre is good out of them, everyone else im null to SLing on

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i think titus brought it up originally

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I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

yeah so this was the original take. furtive didn't say it unless they jumped on it later?

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oh ffs you meant that Furtive brought up the slip argument sigh i get you now

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okay so Titus brought up that the slip could be a distraction for S_S, which would tie Furtive to S_S but as you're saying, wouldn't make sense since furtive SRs Ircher. makes sense.

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from like, a fear of being elimmed perspective? no.

from a "there's probably at least one scum on here" yeah I think so?

granted the activity level of the entire wagon is low but i doubt it's just all town chillin on there

i think andre is good out of them, everyone else im null to SLing on

this seems like a really weird thing for you to fixate on

why would there specifically be scum on the ydra wagon

what spawned this thought for you

it's an odd competing wagon that's been just... around for most of the game so far without any real interest, follow up or anything

ausuka's had voters who jumped off

ircher's has been a major point of discussion

mastina had some discussion

ydrasse has felt random and again, sort of just there for no real reason (that has been stated yet?) and i feel like that means there's a chance of one scum. i'd lean Roden

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i suppose it was preemptive of me to bring up given the lack of activity from the slots on it but that was the vibe i was getting

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that's the thing: no-one actually is attempting to sort you or really engage which is why the wagon is pinging me a lil

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12 is rvs and the others were you defending yourself which was also what I referenced in my original post about you

and 432 had nothing inherently wrong with it it's just you went back to referring to something about setup which I found funny

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okay so Titus brought up that the slip could be a distraction for S_S, which would tie Furtive to S_S but as you're saying, wouldn't make sense since furtive SRs Ircher. makes sense.

This feels like you still don't understand me >.<

Spoiler:

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

Titus appears to be saying that scum presented the Ircher slip argument strategically after SS started getting pushed.

Lets say that that is a thought that you have. "The timing of the slip argument is sus." It feels like that makes:

1) The person who strategically brought it back up

scum

. [Furtive]
2) The person that the argument is distracting from

scum

. [Something Smart]
3) The person who the argument is pivoting towards

town

[Ircher] Unless she is saying it is a bus or distancing I guess

But then Titus's conclusion was that "one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum."

She shows little to no interest in Furtive, despite him being the one who did the thing that she is claiming to believe to be Sus.

And furthermore, out of the three of them, landed on Ircher locked scum, and the one that she has her vote on.

So the whole line of thinking does not make sense to me

ok, I'm getting you now. this makes a lot more sense.

do you think it's AI for Titus?

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12 is rvs and the others were you defending yourself which was also what I referenced in my original post about you

and 432 had nothing inherently wrong with it it's just you went back to referring to something about setup which I found funny

That's a simplified and not really accurate summary of those posts. You claimed all I talked about was mech, which is factually wrong. It's ok to say you just misremembered my posts.

You seemed to imply 432 had something wrong with it, you said I "proved you right" and you still seem to want to run me up. Talk to me about it.

in my original post I said mech or defending yourself. that qualifies under both. simplified, sure. but it's what you did.

and in the callout post I said what I just said above, and then 432 mentioned setup balance as your next post. there's not really much to "run up" it literally just looked like you were avoiding giving proper reads in favour of talking about setup shit which I think is +scum

if you were at work and just catching up then there's nor really much to discuss and I will have to judge you off of what you've done since then though I will maintain the first posting to me is still +scum

maybe it's because I'm not one to care for mech talk but if the majority of your posting is still on the topic of mech (even up to 432) I'll 9 times outta 10 be more inclined to think you're scummy. does that make sense?

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roden has gone missing ever since he stopped getting questioned for the mech mistake stuff

you got any actual input now or are you just here to defend yourself when you get sussed

for reference, this was my original post. so yeah, mech stuff + defending yourself which to me didn't really seem like any attempts at game progression

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and I still have no idea what your reads are outside of a few comments here or there. maybe it's a playstyle thing but I'm not really getting it atm

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Can‘t stop staring at uncrowned avi‘s, zooming in n out wondering what kinda creature that is with such a name. Looks like a mutant cat that someone stepped on, but luckily PETA is here to find the culprit.

BRO ITS SO FUCKING CUTE

it's a sable theyre beautiful lil long bois

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^I thought these were the kind of 'main characters' lately, let me know who else you want me to feature!

fire

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I always have had a little bit of main character syndrome ngl

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im pretty sure we can just solidify that anyone voting after the slip got called out should not really be given towncred if ircher flips red

also what changed your mind on me because my posting has remained relatively the same and i'm now a somewhat (?) townread of yours

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but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

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I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes

if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

this is a good point

as for vivax, i think an elaboration would be helpful considering ircher could be elimmed

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(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

to touch on this more, if that's the case and theoretically scum!vivax is close to a ML, why do you think he jumps to vote you for that reads list you did or whatever and then switch back to Ircher? i feel like scum would be a little wearier of moving around votes like that, especially for reasons that may seem 'inadequate' to the other players

unless you're suggesting they're both scum in this scenario?

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i have awoken from my slumber, have a long shift today but will be peepin

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m willing to throw my vote in the "will go to ircher if things move away and then struggle to return there" if that helps

but ok, that seems reasonable i think, and i at least understand your thought process more now

i don't get why you question me, gets answers, ignore them, and then shift your vote from me to titus after ydrasse unvotes me

it's like you want to engage but then when you actually receive answers, you just go to something else while still throwing shade, like keeping your options open?

"idk why people think uncrowned is town because ive looked at his scumplay, but it also looks like his townplay" or whatever. it's just constant hedging and has been a theme of your play this game. your actual solidified reads are few and far between and it seems like you're leaving doors open to keep your play flexible, something i'd attribute much more as +scum. maybe it's the low confidence thing you're talking about, but this seems awfully non-committal

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it kinda seems like her thoughts are surface level intended to sound reasonable tho? like she hasn't said anything super out there it's just that they don't feel like they quite click into a consistent mindset, like luke was saying

it's like you see opportunities to make comments but then not provided much follow up? like the titus vote in general doesn't feel super convincing

also, couldn't we apply this same logic to you? what makes your two slots different? up until your vote on her, you had very little to say about her so what changed? from what i'm aware of, her main string of posting had already occurred before your vote on me, and you didn't have a lot to say then

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Lean/possible S: Mastina, Luke, Ircher, Klick

can you explain your read on luke for me?

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Oh yeah I should do this

VOTE: Malakittens

elaborate

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what

i thought your answers were fine and didn't continue to engage with them bc i thought they were fine and i didn't have anything further to say

i then voted elsewhere bc i thought you had been fine since then

i don't particularly scumread you anymore but i don't really understand the townreads either. you seem solidly in range of both alignments to me. there's some stuff that feels genuine, and some stuff that feels off

so i've "been fine"

but some stuff "feels off"

that you still haven't engaged on

ok imma leave this for now this is getting nowhere lmao

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Hammer Ircher!

am happy to soon, we have plenty of time and i don't think this is the type of slot that's going to talk their way out of the wagon shifting elsewhere, given what we've seen so far from Ircher's posting

are you in a hurry for some reason?

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Klick why is Mala a part of your most confident townreads

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Aren't you also looking forward to night?

i actually don't really like night phase in general lol

i also think there's more to get through before we end the day so

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roden needs to play the game

blue needs to play the game

andre needs to play the game

jjh wants to do things

i would like to see what develops between klick/rc

does S_S have input or is he just gonna chill while this goes through? same with ydrasse

i'd like to know where nero's heads at given the whole thing about ircher's wagon being too fast to hit L-1 on p14. has that changed now that things developed or is the sentiment still the same?

obviously there comes a point where waiting is just diminishing returns but i thiink we're ok to sit on this for a bit

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correction: andre has played the game a bit

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you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

if this is what you're referring to, ydrasse was saying that furtive would have either one or both of them as his SRs

i misread this the same way at first lmao

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you probably have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

oh yeah?

Furtive did in fact have 1-2 mafia between me and peta

yeah this thing

[Uncrowned]

yeah this is good

VOTE: Roden

mastina's reads look solid

[Uncrowned]

I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.

This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?

Good posting

Is it just me noticing that this slot has been utterly and completely useless? I don’t think so, and I don’t actually think it’s necessarily Scum, but c’mon now. This is worse than when I’m flaking on a game.

The slot has two naked votes and that “good posting” post, and that’s literally it.

what was the point of posting this end of day 1 when another wagon was going through

like did you plan on actually pursuing something with this slot or what

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Also, what do you make of 468 through 470 from Uncrowned? This is why I think it’s possible they’re Scum (if I had to summarize it).

468, 469, sure, whatever

why 470 specifically

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shift it to who tho

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Talk more about
1) your read on Mastina

I've seen mastina abuse/take control of mechanics as scum before. There is a very low chance she's actually broken the game, and if she's town what she's doing has significant downside and I'm dubious that Datisi would have put something in that gives her that much upside without the risk of being killed. (Since she presumably wouldn't announce this if scum could just kill her to stop whatever it is.) Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).

2) Scumpool/likely vote destination today

Not voting, probably. But I guess I can sort the players into "probably would vote" and "probably wouldn't vote".
Probably would vote: Ausuka, Malakittens, Roden, Uncrowned, Andresvmb, RCEnigma, Klick, Ydrasse, fireisredsir
Probably wouldn't vote: PenguinPower, Lukewarm, furtiveglance, Titus, Vivax, mastina, jjh927

how do you say all this just to put her in your probably wouldn't vote section

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the tmi thing specifically

[Uncrowned]

i feel like that thought process could end up disastrous unless you're confident of hitting scum in the next couple of days, which i feel like you aren't?

i've played with you once before but you were scum, and although it was a while back you felt similarly non-committal

is this also a feature of your townplay?

[Uncrowned]

not that we'd lose, but that it would cause a difficult situation if scum!mastina was a thing

like say d4 or d5 hits and we aren't seeing any of the stuff mastina has spoken about as being part of her role, what's your course of action? are you leading the charge on that? if you already think she's +scum, you're basically letting her go unpressured for multiple days. if she's a scum PR that becomes even worse

i'd suppose it's not a huge deal considering this is a large (outside of the multi-kill stuff) but i feel like from your perspective it's weird you wouldn't even really prod in that direction at all, outside of some shading here and there. is town!you really happy to just vibe with her possibly leading miselims (if you think she's scum)?

i'm just not really understanding the thought process

[Uncrowned]

that's not the point i'm trying to make

what i'm saying is S_S has been saying for most of the game that she's been at least somewhat scummy, though I'd argue the more recent posting is more than just "somewhat"

i feel like the actions (or lack of action, to be specific) aren't really matching up with the read

[Uncrowned]

no, i'm saying that S_S has been saying that she's been scummy

i can see the confusion, the second part should be rephrased to say: "though i'd argue his more recent posting (S_S's) is suggesting she's scummier than just "somewhat" scummy"

english is fun

[Uncrowned]

i think mastina is solidly townie and like most of her read list outside of disagreeing on luke i'd say

[Uncrowned]

LOCKTOWN:
{Vivax, jjh927, Something_Smart}
{PenguinPower} (almost part of above)
{Ydrasse, Uncrowned, Andresvmb}
{furtiveglance} (could maybe be above)

HARD-TOWN:
{Ausuka}

SOFT TOWN:
{Klick}

{Malakittens, Titus}

POE POSSIBLE SCUM:
{RCEnigma}

LIKELY SCUM:
{fireisredsir}

SCUM:
{Lukewarm}

{Roden}

LOCKTOWN:
{Vivax, jjh927, Something_Smart}
{PenguinPower} (almost part of above)
{Ydrasse, Uncrowned, Andresvmb, furtiveglance, Ausuka}

SOFT TOWN:
{Klick}

{Malakittens, Titus}

POE POSSIBLE SCUM:
{RCEnigma}

LIKELY SCUM:
{fireisredsir}

SCUM:
{Lukewarm}

{Roden}

Vivax, jjh, and Something_Smart are all locktown for different, but closely linked, reasons. They have all shown a towntell that I believe demonstrates they

cannot

be scum here and absolutely must be town. All look town to me by play anyway, but that tell has me convinced each of them is town.

PenguinPower

is almost up there, because I believe PP spotted

half

of what I saw on S_S, but not the half which makes S_S town. S_S towntold in a way that cannot be scum, but if you saw only half of it, you'd think the opposite, that S_S spewed himself as scum. I have to be quite tight-lipped about this to not reveal what it is tho, but I think that PP seeing half makes him town.

Ydrasse

,

Uncrowned

, and

Andresvmp

are purely play-based reads without the secret towntell present. I'm still sticking to this being Ydrasse's towngame. It's weaker than before, but Ydrasse radiated town earlier in a way I don't think is scum. Uncrowned's content has constantly been town. I've loved Andres's D2 posting (some in particular), and there's not enough room on a scumteam for both him and Malakittens so Malakittens trusting him is enough to bolster him to here regardless of Malakittens's alignment. He should always be town here and I

see

it.

furtiveglance

I initially had a tier below, but I decided after thinking about the people townreading furtive today's reasons, that I agreed with them. Was town D1 in an incredibly town way and I think is still worthy of the locktown tier today.

Ausuka

I had as below furtive but still at hard-town, yet I've decided to move Ausuka here after reviewing my reason for townreading Ausuka before, and I feel it still holds. Ausuka's play is incredibly anti-partner with Ircher in a way genuinely anti-partnery and with towntells that I believe are genuinely towntells. The whole exchange just looks town.

Klick

looks to be playing town, but not quite as strongly as others. It looks like what I'd expect from him as town, but I don't know what he looks like as scum. He's reasonable, he's making good posts, so his content is definitely town-sounding at the least, but I've no metric to guarantee it is the same way as I do my stronger reads.

Malakittens

would be locktown if not for a couple factors.
The first is that Malakittens was off the wagon, where I expect there to be 1-2 scum.
The second is that both the scum nightkills (confirmed to be Nero/peta per Vivax claiming the BBT vig) are the two players I would expect Mala to nightkill if she were scum. Nero wasn't widely townread, but Malakittens is one of the few players to know of Nero back in his glory days of when he was his most dangerous. Nero also knows Malakittens pretty well I'm pretty sure, so of all the players in the game, she has more incentive than almost any other to kill him.
Similarly so for petapan. I've never seen his towngame in full-swing before, but allegedly, it's pretty damn good from what I'm told. (I believe it, it's just that I've personally never seen it.) This means that basically anyone could/would kill him, but for some reason I seem to recall that peta/Malakittens have some sort of history too which if this memory is correct would make Mala want to kill him.

These factors keep Malakittens from being locktown, but she's still more likely town than not on her strength of play. It's purely NKA/VCA that implicates she

could

be scum and I trust my scumhunting-by-play tools more than I trust my NKA/VCA tools.

Titus

is at a similar level of divided read. Her play does

not

match her meta of being scum with Ircher. She protects her scumbuddies, and makes effort to make sure they don't fall. Her play with Ircher is highly indicative of that not being the case. All of this makes her highly likely to be town. But, a lot of her play feels like her scumgame and there are many things which feel "off" about her. So she's more divided, but also overall more town than not imo.

RCEnigma

has been null the entire game, but at this stage, 'null' with this many players with compelling reasons to be town is quite possibly indicative of scum.
He's not been strongly present in a way suggesting town. His content is highly forgettable. When he is town, I expect to remember his posts, and to have a lot of them be agreeable. But while he's making some reasonable reads, his posts overall feel lackluster. He's someone that it's easy to forget is in the game, which is a red flag indicative of possible scum.

fireisredsir

fits as the scum off the wagon, and by play radiates being scum. I feel Vivax caught a good scumslip from fire, and fire just gives off the vibe of being scum. There's plenty of small things that add up here.

Lukewarm

fits as the scum on the wagon, and by play radiates being scum. Though on D2 I'm sensing more stylistic similarities to Lukewarm's towngame, the D2 content is highly pro-scum in nature, looking to be scum that is in a tight spot and is trying to figure out a way to avoid a town sweep.

Roden

is scum ten times over in ten different ways. I'm never voting elsewhere, not even to vote another scumread. I'm not gonna lie, it ain't as strong as Ircher, but it's

pretty damn close

. If Ircher was 99% scum, then Roden is like 97%. I'll be honest tho, the main difference in that 2% is essentially, "I never catch two scum in a row. I always think I do, but I never

actually

do. I caught Ircher so I couldn't have genuinely caught a second, could I?"
Because by every other metric, yeah Roden should be as strong a scumread as Ircher. Genuinely the only reason Roden is weaker is that paranoia of me never normally being this competent.
But I'll go with the theory that I was a PROPHET when I said I'd be a SCUMHUNTING GOD, and that therefore I am indeed accurate here.

[Uncrowned]

and she is more likely to be town than scum, so it's a net negative expectation.

The only part of this query that I don't really understand is the "prod" bit. What kind of "prodding" do you think I ought to be doing, and why would it be helpful?

well, that kinda blows my whole point then

i said you seemed to think she was more likely to be scum, but you didn't refute that earlier? but if that's the case and you TL her, then what i'm saying is irrelevant

[Uncrowned]

Side note, there is almost no way what mastina is saying is correct. It's starting to lean more and more scum, though there is still a good chance town-mastina believes she broke the game.

Talk more about
1) your read on Mastina

I've seen mastina abuse/take control of mechanics as scum before. There is a very low chance she's actually broken the game, and if she's town what she's doing has significant downside and I'm dubious that Datisi would have put something in that gives her that much upside without the risk of being killed. (Since she presumably wouldn't announce this if scum could just kill her to stop whatever it is.) Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).

this isn't really reading like someone who is thinking mastina is more likely to be town than scum, my guy

[Uncrowned]

at best it's null, to me though it's looking like a scumlean so what's up?

[Uncrowned]

The only part of this query that I don't really understand is the "prod" bit. What kind of "prodding" do you think I ought to be doing, and why would it be helpful?

is engaging with people you are unsure about not something you perceive as helpful? even if it doesn't give you an immediate answer, as an interaction to look to later?

i'd find it hard to believe you'd be willing to sit here for at a minimum, 4 in-game days subtly shading mastina without actually trying to figure out her alignment outside of "ah, i'll just wait till D5 or whatever and vote her then" if you're town

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Uncrowned]

all aboard

[Uncrowned]

yeah so basically what I think vivax is trying to do is

[Uncrowned]

Kinda annoyed that you didn't even think to question if you were misunderstanding me and just assumed that I'm such an absymal scum player I can't keep my fake reads straight. But I mean, I guess I should have just clarified that when I said it.

no offense intended, I quoted those because I actually was confused and wanted a straight answer on your read

so you do SL her, cool.

[Uncrowned]

And not sound like a conversational AI

not cool

[Uncrowned]

omg im a universal tr?

that owns

yeah currently we are locktowned homies congrats

[Uncrowned]

well apparently mastina leading mislims isn't bad because we're yeeting her d5 or whatever immediately if we don't get results from the ability she claims

at least, that's according to S_S

fwiw, i don't think roden is the right lim today but in terms of information, i don't think it's the worst

for those who want RC, what are we waiting for from that slot in particular

[Uncrowned]

who want RCs input* i should say

[Uncrowned]

it doesn't

what i'm saying is we have slots already saying that they're happy to off mastina if there's no results from her ability later in the game so by that logic is it worth pursuing the slot now or what

[Uncrowned]

i'm literally the guy that was questioning S_S for seeming to be ok with that

i think the people who are saying "let's just wait" are >rand scum because in what world would a town player be ok with being led around by a potential scum player for days on end., especially if they've had no read progression outside of townbinning her for her first post of the game

hence why i would lean luke being town atm bc i think the read of scum!mastina goes against the grain of this game

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: Ircher

Scum.

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

Probably a scum try hard, which on D1 is a treat-as-town.

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

Oh is this the mythical Lukewarm scumgame?

...'Cause it looks like a mythical Lukewarm scumgame.

ayo tho luke interesting you left these out when you were comparing this game to mastina's most 'egregious' bus o.o

[Uncrowned]

i'll keep that in mind

[Uncrowned]

But, if she is scum wanting to double down on her doomed team mate, AFTER she has made lots of posts saying how the tmi thing is not real, she really did not have many other options.

do you think that scum!titus thinks her discrediting the TMI thing is really enough to get people to reconsider the slot, tho?

wouldn't the easier course of action be to just fade into the crowd and agree that, in hindsight, it probably was TMI?

[Uncrowned]

or were you saying it was too late for her to join on the TMI thing so she was caught in a bad spot

[Uncrowned]

I could see that

I guess the argument then becomes does she feel compelled to come up with a reason, considering a lot of people (myself included) went on for little reason outside of the tmi? i feel like the path of least resistance, even if she got questioned later on in the game about it would literally just be "yeah i didn't catch the tmi thing at first, but after it got brought up it did look pretty bad" considering she was already on the wagon prior

[Uncrowned]

I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.

i just think it's overly convoluted to come up with something like this and have to end up justifying it and all if you're scum

[Uncrowned]

because the sign of a genuine belief in his reads is missing.

and that sign is?

I don't see how you're detracting from Roden by providing this

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Ausuka

so this is a page 1 vote ircher never makes as town

ausuka had no votes on her at this stage in RVS, other people had been voted already. ok, i'll do some comparisons when i find his town games

[Uncrowned]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=89250

Ircher, who is town in this game, instead of just naked voting in RVS also adds in "Hello folks" before making the vote

"Hello folks"

is that the entire basis for the scumread?

[Uncrowned]

the only notable difference i can see is that he voted someone who had put a second vote on someone else on P1. ausuka hadn't voted yet so this was out of the question, and no-one in this game prior to his vote had placed a second vote on a slot, so there was also no opportunity for him to do so.

I don't see how this is a super scum entry by him, unless this one game is the exception to the town!ircher playstyle. seems flimsy

[Uncrowned]

His case on me and Titus is "A-HA! I can use these things to push these slots as scum". Having reads that he believes are good to push, and then finding things that he believes make that push believable.

His cases as town are more "A-HA! I have found a slot that looks like scum for this".

so it's a tonal read, mostly?

[Uncrowned]

I don't see the benefit in outing my exact process on a scum who's already dead.

because it looks a little fabricated considering the differences between his town page 1 vote and his scum page 1 vote are awfully minimal?

[Uncrowned]

these reads feel kinda convenient

do you have any actual thoughts on: roden, mastina, titus, luke

it can wait till later if you don't wanna post big but yeah, like i said, those names you've all listed feel v convenient and i highly doubt we have all scum in the less active half of the game

[Uncrowned]

I'm not submitting a gamesolve here, I'm trying to flag up scummy players that are being ignored.

yeah but that just seems like town signalling (idk if that's the right phrase for it) instead of just, pushing the slots?

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Roden

cheeky L-1

[Uncrowned]

Suddenly this concern doesn't look that relevant anymore.

uhh

elaborate? I don't see the link

[Uncrowned]

The only thing that gives me paused on Roden is wagon distribution.

It's either a) scum shopping for a backup and failing or b) scum waiting out a TvT.

If we do move off of Roden, it should be to someone not voting for either Roden or myself.

someone like....s_s!

hell yeah

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: S_S

[Uncrowned]

I dont think there's a world where enough slots get off ircher wagon for that to matter

[Uncrowned]

right, I did

(I'm definitely not confused rn)

[Uncrowned]

I dont believe I accused them of deflecting off ircher (because again, I don't think they'd be able to given state of ircher wagon), I just suspected there were scum bc I came around to town!ydrasse by then once scum!ircher seemed more likely and I had gotten over my uncertainty around ydrasse playstyle concerns (which were different from what I was used to)

[Uncrowned]

the amount of people bringing up RCE without voting them is definitely something lol

[Uncrowned]

yeah uncrowned and penguinpower are goated user names for sure

[Uncrowned]

I'd made some points about Uncrowned earlier when prompted by Andres and it never really got a response, instead it got buried by all the focus on me and my role and trying to "gotcha" me. They were insistent on trying to get me to play, but once my activity and content sky rocketed they had nothing to say and instead just blankly voted me. Why ask me to do more if you had no intention of engaging with me? Why didn't they or anyone else have anything to say about my read?

What really stands out is that Uncrowned criticized my posts D1 for being too focused on mech despite only making two mech-focused posts. But then today there has been pages upon pages dedicated only to discussing mech and voting people based on mech. Yet Uncrowned has had nothing to say about it, and instead supported a wagon based on mech.

bro

if i'm not mistaken, this first part is either a bold faced lie or you just didn't see my response to you

i was the last one to respond in our 'interaction' and you said nothing and i'm pretty sure i'll be able to find it and quote it after this

also i criticised multiple d1 mech talk people because i don't think it really gets us anywhere. d2 the mech talk has been what, about claims? that's a lot more reasonable given game state and doesn't just seem like scum trying to find something to do on d1. context matters and you're ignoring it

[Uncrowned]

12 is rvs and the others were you defending yourself which was also what I referenced in my original post about you

and 432 had nothing inherently wrong with it it's just you went back to referring to something about setup which I found funny

That's a simplified and not really accurate summary of those posts. You claimed all I talked about was mech, which is factually wrong. It's ok to say you just misremembered my posts.

You seemed to imply 432 had something wrong with it, you said I "proved you right" and you still seem to want to run me up. Talk to me about it.

you said this and then in post 547 i said

in my original post I said mech or defending yourself. that qualifies under both. simplified, sure. but it's what you did.

and in the callout post I said what I just said above, and then 432 mentioned setup balance as your next post. there's not really much to "run up" it literally just looked like you were avoiding giving proper reads in favour of talking about setup shit which I think is +scum

if you were at work and just catching up then there's nor really much to discuss and I will have to judge you off of what you've done since then though I will maintain the first posting to me is still +scum

maybe it's because I'm not one to care for mech talk but if the majority of your posting is still on the topic of mech (even up to 432) I'll 9 times outta 10 be more inclined to think you're scummy. does that make sense?

and then look at my very next post 548

you made no reply and didn't interact with me at all until D2

so are you just making stuff up to appear like my read on you is fake or...? because that was a poor attempt lmao

[Uncrowned]

so what really happened is you just ignored my posting after attempts to "engage" with you, but now expect me to engage with you when you're in the middle of claim shit with other slots that i frankly don't care about because you obviously didn't have the intent to engage in the first place when i was giving you questions on shit that wasn't mech based, which i have repeatedly stated i don't care for

no misrepping in my neighbourhood tyvm

[Uncrowned]

12 is rvs and the others were you defending yourself which was also what I referenced in my original post about you

and 432 had nothing inherently wrong with it it's just you went back to referring to something about setup which I found funny

That's a simplified and not really accurate summary of those posts. You claimed all I talked about was mech, which is factually wrong. It's ok to say you just misremembered my posts.

You seemed to imply 432 had something wrong with it, you said I "proved you right" and you still seem to want to run me up. Talk to me about it.

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

though in fairness you made zero posts between these two, though again i find this difficult to believe that you wouldn't have at least checked to catch up and my posting replying to you was just a few posts after so... yeah, why lie my guy

[Uncrowned]

You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.

I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.

I didn’t call it Scummy I called it odd.

Imagine I said that I think Scum went out of their way to defend Ircher. And then I voted Titus. And when you asked me why, I made the NK argument you made. I would fully expect for you to ask me well, Titus actively attacked Ircher the entire time. Doesn’t that give you pause? Wouldn’t that contradict what you’re saying is the main reason to suspect someone to be Scum? That’s more where I’m coming from. Not being consistent with your thought process isn’t Scum indicative actually. At least I don’t think so.

The thing is that I wouldn't question you on that. I don't think it's odd to have conflicting scum reads, or have a specific scum read as an exception to how one thinks scum would play.

And I figured you saw the thought process as scummy because you were voting me. I don't think you voted me just because you think I'm odd.

I was trying to put a vote down based on what someone who seems to have a better grasp on the game is voting (I think mastina is Town?). I haven’t actually myself figured out who I think is most likely to be Scum.

I haven’t been historically able to read Titus properly. I think your points aren’t totally silly. I think if the Scum had two shots, shooting petapan who seemed to have a magnifying glass aimed at Titus makes a lot of sense.

Also, what do you make of 468 through 470 from Uncrowned? This is why I think it’s possible they’re Scum (if I had to summarize it).

I think it's a little out of place for them to suggest that because Ircher's wagon didn't hit a lull that it implies it wasn't a mis-elim wagon, when there wasn't really a chance for it to hit a lull in the first place. The focus on the Ydrasse wagon also feels weird, it was obvious the votes were just leftover from RVS. The vote on me is just kind of whatever though, like I thought it was weird when it happened since they seemed confident that Ircher was scum, and pressuring a low activity player is baseline scum play. But they aren't on my radar atm.

is this the attempt to engage with me after being prodded by andre that you're talking about? because this is the only other thing i can possibly thing of, and this isn't asking anything of me at all

"yeah guys i swear i really prodded uncrowned but he's just refusing to interact with me now that i'm actually talking to him" lol this can't be a serious thing you're trying to push rn

i also asked andre to elaborate on those posts and he's yet to say anything i believe so uhh, must be scum too i guess.

VOTE: Roden

i find it too hard to believe he's not blatantly lying about his intentions with me. good elim let's go squad

[Uncrowned]

literally in the post you suggest you wanted to interact with me you also say "but they're (me) aren't on my radar atm."

you don't ask me a direct question

you're just making comments about a post another player made in response to them, with plenty of passive, uncombative language ("a little out of place", "feels weird", "their vote on me is just kind of whatever though") like you don't actually care about getting a read on me at all outside of replying to andre's query about me

and i was apparently supposed to make a full engagement out of that with you so we could really solve each others alignments, huh?

this is fake solving attempts if i've ever seen it ngl

[Uncrowned]

Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.

not much really!

i think this flip will say a lot

[Uncrowned]

the only other slot i'd probably be interested in seeing a lim on is S_S

[Uncrowned]

Roden [8]: mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Uncrowned, PenguinPower
Titus [5]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor, Vivax
Malakittens [1]: furtiveglance
Dannflor [1]: fireisredsir

not voting [2]: jjh927, Something_Smart

green flip would have me looking in {Mastina, Andre, Kilck, Mala, Ydrasse} with preference being: Mala, Andre, Mastina, Ydrasse, Klick

red flip would have me looking in (Luke, Fire} with preference being Luke

i think either flip i still independently have a scumread on S_S

i am unsure of where i stand on furtive, ausuka, yourself, jjh

i independently TR Vivax, PP and Titus so ya

[Uncrowned]

above is @Dann

[Uncrowned]

I also think it's telling that you put me at E-1 and weren't afraid at all that I would self-hammer here as scum to end the day early and deny town more conversation time.

...

what

does this even deserve to be dignified with a response or

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: roden

e-1

yeah guys penguin put roden to e-1 as well at one point

we are both scum confirmed

wtaf is this reasoning lmao i'm in shock you actually posted that

[Uncrowned]

especially considering peta "denied town more conversation time" and oh boy would you look at that, town.

you cannot convince me these are real posts and thought processes of a town player. sorry.

flip this ty!

[Uncrowned]

The onus is on you at that point because you made it clear you wanted to case me D2, but you just never did.

this is also a misrep and not indicative at all on how our interaction went down

look at what i posted and quoted and try again. you claimed i didn't engage you, i did. you never ended up responding to the last thing i said. interaction over.

but now all of a sudden it was my responsibility to get back to you while you were getting run up by other slots? after you had clearly ignored/disregarded the whole point of what i had said to you D1? you know, the entire premise of my read? what's the point on following this up when you clearly didn't see my point of view as worth responding to in the first place? want me to clog the thread up with other shit while you're getting called out on your claim? i'm not a mechanical player and it's not something i particularly care for. bad luck. if you want to pick and choose when someone interacts with you, that's on you. don't try and spin it any other way.

[Uncrowned]

Uncrowned what do you think of the idea scum might be bussing Roden

not impossible but unlikely, i would say

[Uncrowned]

I also think it's telling that you put me at E-1 and weren't afraid at all that I would self-hammer here as scum to end the day early and deny town more conversation time.

can anyone at all explain how this isn't the most fabricated thing they've seen this game and why

this just has to be scum right this can't be a real line of thinking

[Uncrowned]

mhm!

[Uncrowned]

Why are you so

desperate

to discredit someone you think will flip scum and has no sway or power in the game?

Like you just get town spewed if I flip red, right?

notice as well the complete disregard for not only calling out the fabricated E-1 thing, but everything i said as well about out interaction prior, instead opting to just... do whatever this is.

this is scum basically giving up and throwing shit on the wall hoping something sticks. if you really cared about the interaction like you pretended to, this would not be your approach.

desperation would be the word, yes.

[Uncrowned]

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

yo target me next

[Uncrowned]

But they had no reason to block me.

I had claimed the reveal would be on D4, not D3.

I was under fairly wide suspicion.

Roden, my HARD push, flipped town.

I had my credibility destroyed by that flip--with people quite suspicious of me.

Why would the scum roleblock me?

They wouldn't.

i mean idk about this because if you are town who had claimed you have scumhunting capabilities i think it's still not worth the risk to not roleblock you

especially with some of the other roles that have flipped, no?

this seems a lil wine

[Uncrowned]

give me the hammer it's my turn

[Uncrowned]

Something_Smart (tbh I want Something_Smart to claim because by play he fits as scum)

so what changed here

i feel like you've been very adamant about town!S_S this game

[Uncrowned]

oh nvm i seee the reads be evolving

[Uncrowned]

standing emoji:

penguinpower
uncrowned

how dare you

[Uncrowned]

What are we doing? Voting fires?

VOTE: firez

i guess so

VOTE: Fire

[Uncrowned]

and like i kinda feel uncrowned doesn’t care at all about what’s happening today or really yesterday either

you are correct!

i'm just observing for now. i have reasons.

[Uncrowned]

We really should just kill this slot. Like now.

no sir

[Uncrowned]

Secondly, I have felt for many moons that Malakittens is not town. Could it be Mala/Uncrowned?

I'll backstab Uncrowned after townreading him all game, because Andres wants it and I'd like to see some momentum on a non F name. Don't get me wrong, Dannflor is still suspicious.

VOTE: Uncrowned

ooo interesting

[Uncrowned]

My final guess for mafia is [Malakittens, Uncrowned].

when did you start to feel this way about me bby

[Uncrowned]

I don’t think I’ve said that Uncrowned is just laying low. You can make that accusation of so many different players. The point I did make is that while voting for Ircher for the slip, they shaded basically every Town that’s flipped (and me for that matter), and put a lot of focus on getting Roden executed,

even ending up voting Roden at the end of D1 and not being able to find a way back onto Ircher on time.

i don't really get this

scumcrowned never needs to vote take vote off ircher i don't think there's a world after what transpired that ircher wasn't the d1 elim

unless you really believe i had enough influence to get roden miselimmed over ircher d1 and still think that ircher would be let off the hook and survive for more days after that

seems a bit contrived to me but that's all wine so do with it what you will

and ok @furtive

idk if i believe it but i don't think you're the elim today so it's chill

let's get mala or S_S!

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: S_S

[Uncrowned]

Yeah I'm with Fire and Furtive on this one. Let's see if Mala can get some votes

VOTE: Malakittens

[Uncrowned]

i don't really get this

scumcrowned never needs to vote take vote off ircher i don't think there's a world after what transpired that ircher wasn't the d1 elim

unless you really believe i had enough influence to get roden miselimmed over ircher d1 and still think that ircher would be let off the hook and survive for more days after that

seems a bit contrived to me but that's all wine so do with it what you will

mr andre are you going to engage with me or am i scumbinned

i'm not sure you actually believe my vote switching is scum motivated

if you actually factor in gamestate at the time, i don't think anyone outside of mastina was interested in a roden D1 elim (and even then she was more stuck on Ircher so?)

again the question: do i have enough d1 influence to get quite literally almost everyone in the game (bc keep in mind, even slots who weren't on ircher at the time where all saying "yeah i'd be down to elim Ircher" - fire jumps out as an example of this but there were definitely others in the same boat) to abort the Ircher wagon which was pretty much guaranteed to go through

fmpov, scumcrowned has two options given d1 gamestate

1: float on the wagon and get *some* towncred (probably wouldn't be a lot)

or

2: switch vote onto someone else and actually case them to try and swing the wagon (probably not beneficial, ircher most likely gets elimmed D2 anyway even if I am successful)

again, find it hard to believe you actually think the switching of votes is scum motivated unless you just think "oh yeah this guy sucks at scum" and would switch vote just to not actually really hard push the guy i've switched to

[Uncrowned]

i mean now we play the game

what's more likely

mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo

I guess I can see this as gently suggesting the possibility that Ircher's town without pushing it?

the opposite actually sir

[Uncrowned]

furtive does deserve to die tho for betraying me ngl now that I think about it

[Uncrowned]

based on associatives it's probs one of fire/furtive

i think mala was playing scum theatre with one of them, interactions don't look genuine (obviously they won't to some extent inherently because mala was scum but ye)

especially considering the last post from mala tells us not to kill two now confirmed townies, i'm willing to bet the 3rd (andre) is townie too and the associatives are just really blatant, kinda like a double bluff

if not one of them, S_S third option.

i like andre's line of thinking on jjh i think that makes sense

[Uncrowned]

yup yup yup

[Uncrowned]

VOTE: Fire

[Uncrowned]

random but ok

[Uncrowned]

oh, we actually mass claiming?

[Uncrowned]

cool

my role is "discord mod", for 5% (with 5% extra each additional use) I can neighbourise someone

for 50%, I can get myself mod confirmed to be aligned with town, which I have in fact done

multiple alive players in this game know im conf town, and I can still add more people in.

this is also why I told ydrasse to target me after she caught out Titus

so yeah, PoE looking quite slim

[Uncrowned]

Furtive obviously isn't one of those players and the turn on me seemed more out of convenience than anything so I'd bank on it being furtive

JJH is also questionable for wanting mass claim

can I also ask that we try save productivity if we don't elim scum, I want minimal chance of multi kill to basically force scum to kill me since I'm conf and can continue adding people in, and the next person I want in is basically conf based on info I have

[Uncrowned]

oh thats pretty neat

have you added someone every night?

no

[Uncrowned]

I put in 65% last night and had 15 banked

I'll be putting in 100 from here on out

[Uncrowned]

i actually kinda wanna sheep the dead here to an extent

mastina was convinced on town S_S and after reading his ISO, i can kinda see it tbh

JJH is in the clear imo

P_P is good

pretty sure it just has to be fire or furtive here but idk which i think more, gonna keep reading

[Uncrowned]

dann why were you against the mala votes

a lot of soft defending in your ISO

[Uncrowned]

yeah i can see that

i think i'm just looking for townie stuff a bit too hard now because after re-reading fire it's hard to see scum!fire based on interactions

im a lil lost but we got time

[Uncrowned]

Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).

what did you mean by this S_S

[Uncrowned]

hey I might die I am confirmed