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Hi I'm kinda out of it
current thinking is it's johnny+MLB most likely
~GE

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yeah I see it
Would drop a vote there but want a VC first

~GE

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I think I'll pass rn

~GE

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VOTE: johnny
E-1

~GE

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wait guys can we talk it thru first im kinda worried :/

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johnny why do u even think im scum lol
i thought u would be more wary considering the mini normal : 3

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did anyone ever answer my question from before smhs

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ive never at any point thought "this is hard to fake" when reading a miselim post, so what clears them as town..? their posts all seem fairly easy for scum to make?

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Heya
I’m keeping up, I don’t know if it’s 100% needed rn but I have what I would call a good reason to write us off as possible scum
Also, when it comes to possible Johnny partners, I don’t think there’s anyone directly connected to him but out of butterflies/Noraa/MLB I think MLB is the most likely scum
I think it’s a bit odd the the pair of MLB+ND39 (she’s the constant in that slot) has gone untouched especially with butterflies being a generally uncontested TR from what I recall (Drapion being an outlier). I recall Nancy saying Klick was towny in their hood so maybe she’s been kept for being pocketed

~GE

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@OtH, @BB, Roden, Johnny and Noraa have all commented one way or another on my questioning my Johnny read. Do either of you have any thoughts on that?

What exactly are you questioning regarding Johnny?

~GE

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@OtH, @BB, Roden, Johnny and Noraa have all commented one way or another on my questioning my Johnny read. Do either of you have any thoughts on that?

What exactly are you questioning regarding Johnny?

~GE

My unvoting Johnny. Both you and BB are still voting him, yet say absolutely nothing about that.

And where are you getting MB pocketing me from? If MB is pocketing me, it’s like the worst pocket in mafia history.

And both Marci and BB look to be trying to shade Noraa suddenly. Despite you and BB both voting Johnny, neither of you are even talking about his alignment anymore. Why is that?

Now, I believe Luke genuinely is sr Noraa but BB previously gave the impression that he was going to have some scumcase on Johnny from either Ceph or Luke but he only mentions Noraa.

So maybe I should also ask both you and BB what your read is on each other?

I feel like Best Bird is town, but I don’t have 100% confidence
Ftr I am kinda just at a loss for words here because we’ve been calling Johnny scum the whole fucking game, now it seems like we actually have a shot to vote him out and now you’re pansying out at the last second. I wanna believe you’re town here but atm the only full-strength TR I have is Noraa, solely for the fact that I still don’t see Taly ever playing this game the way he did as scum.

~GE

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Both Marci and I have felt Johnny had been playing like he did in mini 2276 around the time that game ended, and nothing about his play has come up to change our minds
And to be frank, I don’t see much issue with how the vote was settled on him today. The main reason I see that he’s made it this far is that Drapion had been annoyingly vocal about townreading him. God knows what nonsense seeped into his mind but given his abominable mech play, I don’t trust a lick of what he said even after his townflip.

~GE

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Drap was right on RAD who BB led a miselim on because of Luke’s bad case on him and you are not only shading me but totally down with BB falsely claiming that I either somehow got bamboozled by Johnny’s non-existent AtE - when he has been the one very obviously trying to manipulate with it, yet you defend me but shade me when I don’t believe for one second either of you actually believes I ever kill Pooky here.

So both of you already royally fucked up with that.

And BB isn’t even considering the possibility he could be wrong on Johnny, how is that town?

I also don’t like BB saying it’s either me or Noraa. You get points for taking Noraa out of the equation but you doubting me is so beyond unbelievable, it cancels it out.

I consider both you and BB to be sensible if town and sensible town would logically realize how incredibly batshit insane it would be for me to have ever killed Pooky. That in itself if a big reason for me to be highly suss on both of you.

I’m not the one accusing you of killing Pooky currently. I think anyone could have made that kill, frankly, but I don’t believe it points to you at all. Stop letting BB poison the well against me!

~GE

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ph i refuse to do that

lol - Johnny’s posting today has been good? If you think that I have nothing to say to you.

Yes, that’s my opinion and if you want to convince me otherwise, this won’t accomplish that.

don't care - johnny flipping from wanting your lim to voting oth is gross but you won't be able to see it because

a) you're scum with him (explains the unvote at e-1 and sudden defense posture)
b) you've bought into his ate to you and you're blind now

either way, nothing I say will convice you so I'm not going to waste my time. kinda don't care to effort anymore after the fake guilty and luke peacing out

And what if Johnny’s town?

probably in noraa/oth

did i say that?

tbf - no, i did not.

Something did feel off about these posts
I get the sense BB is casting as many lines as he can hoping for a bite
His plan might be to bus Johnny and try to win alone.

And you know what, I’m gonna be deadly blunt here. I say this with full respect for you as a person Nancy; I don’t think it’s a good look for you to repeatedly blow up at people for daring to suspect you. This is a game of deception. If you can’t handle having a little suspicion thrown your way without having a meltdown, then I suggest you find a new pastime.

~GE

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I apologize for my wording
Otherwise, I don’t see anything wrong with what I said there. I don’t see how this game is fun for you when it seems like any time you get pushed you tilt immediately. If you think I’m a bad friend for being honest with you, then I guess that’s just what I am.

~GE

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I honestly hate myself for going down this road because I feel like I’m talking to you like my parents talk to me about this game but they have a very poor scope of my emotional spectrum when playing this game. I feel like I have seen enough to get a clear picture of how you feel when playing and I don’t feel like I’ve even seen what you find fun about this game?

~GE

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Here’s the thing:

we’ve voice chatted before

. I think you of all people would know I’m only trying to help. Is that the nicest thing in the world to say, definitely not, but it’s hard to really describe what I’m seeing here any other way. We called BB town ONCE and now you’re getting pissed at us for it.

~Gamma Emerald

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Let me put this another way:
What DO you find fun about this game? For me, I enjoy the social connections I get to make, and I also sometimes enjoy getting to embrace my inner thespian and play a role (not in the power role sense)

~GE

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Now I’m pissed that you’re comparing me to FL
I understand being upset for what I said but continuing to attribute it to malice is just plain incorrect. You need to sharpen Hanlon’s Razor.

~GE

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You know DAMN WELL I didn’t mean it that way! When in the past have I EVER indicated I had a desire to hurt you!?

~GE

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
Replace stupidity with incompetence and that the perspective I think you’re lacking here

~GE

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What changed this time was I felt like some point needed to be made about how your play makes it so I feel like I’m walking on eggshells any time I think about veering away from a solid TR on you. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a brutally easy pocket, to the point I’m not even sure you’ve caught scum!me ONCE. But you don’t adapt! You let yourself fall into the same traps.
Back on topic: I said it feels like a massive risk to suspect you at all, and this game reinforced that feeling. So I decided “I have to make this point otherwise I’m just gonna keep not being able to feel free to actually PLAY a regular game with you”. That’s I mentioned my respect for you, because I was trying to indicate that my criticism was meant in a constructive manner.

~GE

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As for why HDP didn’t cause this to come up: I wasn’t playing that game so I didnt really end up in the position of having to worry about how doubts on you would be received.

~GE

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VOTE: butterflies
I have trouble seeing this as anything but a wolf ploy at this point.

By the way, might as well bring up that decisive evidence that we’re town. Y’all remember Malcolm’s reveal? The one that conftowned Pooky without question? That only happened because we bungled the original plan to check T-Bone the day Rad got voted out. If we were scum, we seriously blundered a chance to avoid having to clear Pooky by missing our action.

~GE

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UNVOTE:
I’m gonna regroup with Marci once she’s on again. I feel like I’ve lost the plot.

~GE

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huh

i honestly cant tell if johnnys scum or town now :/ i expected him to be better at reading me

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VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

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im fine with the current poe, ive been sus of johnny for awhile and i think itsnonly strengthened.

taly slot can die for all i care. nothing seems memorable when i think about that slot.

i know im town, if im the chosen elimination so be it.
what worries me is who was miscleared if its only one of the ppl in miselim baits poe..? is it butterflies or miselim bait..? i feel miselim bait would be the one but i wanna see what theyve been cleared for since i clearly missed that.

BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

Can we assume Walt isn't town here since they should've claimed being in a hood with Malcolm?

Who tf is Walt? Are you even following the game? Luke was Malcolm’s neighbour, lmaooo

Guess Walt is Luke’s flavor
Can you verify this, Best Bird?

~GE

Two posts: first one pointing away from OtH/Noraa team: second one, pointing away from OtH/Malcolm.

OtH isn’t scum here MB.

Pretty sure MLB is scum and doesn’t care.

~GE

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VOTE: mislim bait
Johnny I can see being town, especially after his Noraa read which doesn’t exactly match mine in terms of logic but feels similarly motivated; MLB’s unrelenting push on us feels pre-planned. I see zero considerations from him on things.

~GE.

Who is his buddy then according to you?

I’m thinking BB
They’ve both parked their votes on the same person for the entire day

~GE

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Gamma said to me as a FRIEND that I should consider getting a “new pastime”. I can believe that the intention wasn’t ever to DELIBERATELY hurt me irrespective of alignment but as town, I could see the possibility of why Gamma could possibly view that as “helpful”.

It absolutely WAS?’T - regardless of the different ways he chose to explain it - THAT I want to make crystal clear.

However, to say as a FRIEND, you should consider a new “pastime” as SCUM, I honestly don’t know how anyone could possibly view that as either not exploitive or gross if he’s scum here?

Because if he’s actually scum here, he’s in essence telling me - AS A FRIEND - I need to make myself more miselimable or I need to stop playing mafia.

That’s what FL did but the difference was that FL actually did know he was deliberately hurting me and didn’t care. He said as much in the tm scum pt.

Anyway, my entire arguments wrt to this is I just have real trouble believing scum!Gamma has so little respect for our friendship, that he would prioritize winning a scumgame over it.

That’s not what I meant to get across ftr
I was saying that bit about talking as a friend specifically in regards to my point about you getting upset at being FoSed. I was trying to communicate that I wasn’t trying to attack you personally, just trying to say your play was not good.
The part about finding a new pastime was a rhetorical “if my perception is correct (which I didn’t think it was) then I don’t get how this game is fun for you”.

A part of why this came up is honestly, I do see how people have issues with you. I think you get mistreated at times but there’s also points where I would understand if someone had issue with you. Role-A-Pair is probably the most glaring instance of it. You made it blatantly obvious who you were when you reacted to being pressured.

~GE

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That’s what I said
You’ve been parked on me and BB has been parked on Johnny
Should say “they’ve EACH been parked”

~GE

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Not saying there’s anything that actually makes MLB and BB associated from their votes
I just think it’s sketchy that two people are voteparked on separate slots

~GE

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well now I feel like a clown
would definitely like the chance to review things today

~GE

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Hmm
I kinda think MT’s ISO is gonna a bust before even looking up any names of the alive players for interactions because he defended Luke the whole game. So I think there’s a high shot anything he posted is wrapped in enough WIFOM that it won’t help.

Also, is the idea of MLB being scum seriously a foreign concept to anyone that isn’t us?

~GE

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Hmm
Need to commune with Marci but I notice a peculiar trend.

~GE

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Given that there’s a timer out I’d like to bring up that 3/4 flipped scum were pushing Johnny early game (and the last is Malcolm who I don’t feel like it’s be worth perusing)
Don’t know if that changes anything but it’s a substantial pattern

~GE

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VOTE: johnny
alrighty then

~GE

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You guys alive? I’ve been waiting to be of sounder mind to post and y’all are silent as corpses.

~GE

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sorry, ive been sick since like sunday and gammas apparenty sick as well.

i think the last scums prob miselim. the butterfly kill makes me think maybe something got slipped in their hood. i think their cocky attitude of "oh im pretty much ct" is them trying to hard brainwash themselves along with the the of us that theyre "town" when in reality nothings really impossible for scum to have done this game..? its been pretty wack.

8164 reads like a early on manufactered shade towards a scum buddy which gives an easy way to back out later on. "will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads."

8165, 8184 read as fake

8197 reads as a good "gotcha" moment, i admit that. but they didnt really do much with it to turn malcolm into the "wagon of the day" so it feels superfical.

8805, 8807 they claim to townread mathblade, but not want to push to save him. i think thats something partners love to do, as its trying to save their partner in a more ~subtle~ way while not really looking like they care about it all too much?

8993 they put more spotlight on malcolm while not really taking a real hard push. "anyone have a read on malcolm?" forming it as a question makes it more easier to back out of if the masses allow so. its clear here that miselim bait cares about making their connections seem "real" and "valid" but doesnt overly want to push their scum buds. I also remember them using this as a reason to ct themselves for the rest of this game, which is bs because theyre doing it to themselves instead of letting someone else do it for them. : )

9253 theyre putting some concrete shit on mqlcolm, but not explaining it fully. if they explained fully in the inital post maybe their scum buddy wouldve been caught earlier ( :

miselim bait then does alot of pushing malcolm while he was in no real danger, and then shading alot of townies.

theres more i could explain too, but my coughing fit is causing my head and chest to hurt.

why do you think its us..?

maybe i should ask for gammas opinion, shes been here for the past few elims much more than I have.

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I wanted to hear more about luke's thoughts on BB slot

Good luck with that
ftr I think BB is probably my leading suspect due to that kill probably benefiting him the most and the way Day 11 played out, if my memory is correct.

~GE

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when butterflies changed reads after I presented my point about how our ability got used, there was a completely switching of tracks for butterflies from us+BB to noraa+johnny. I think Best Bird figured she'd swing back to her previous thinking, but because she had a legit reason to townread us, she'd suspect him the most.

Also, interesting that this point about wagons is being made by "Luke".

~GE

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I think today’s events point my suspicions keenly towards BB.

~GE

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VOTE: best bird

~GE

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UNVOTE:

gamma i dont see how its birdy, i think its miselim :<

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is this marci's first ever elo?

i dont get to see elos usually since usually im miselimmed before that. i play very trolly recently.
ive been in only a few but my last one i was begging to be voted

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ASUSUKA VOTE ME I BET YOU WONT

VOTE ME SINCE IM SUCH CLEAR SCUM U COWARD

OH WAIT ITS CUZ UR SCUM AND U WANT A TOWNIE TO VOTE ME FIRST

i can towncase myself later but whats the use fighting something so set in stone because of towns dumbassry

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VOTE: best bird
It’s not MLB at this point I’m p sure, idk how much time there was between him posting last and the outage
Would honestly rather he just vote atp because I am extremely mentally fatigued from basically this entire past week’s events

~GE

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ugh im so sorry to the rest of the town ;-; i prob shouldve offed myself after a certain point since im such a good and easy miselim recently but i really did try my best to convince them otherwise..

gg whichever one of you is scum. well deserved win! ; D

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oh you were online..? i yhought you werent online...