Micro 1062 | Divide and Conquer | Postgame

[Dannflor]

VOTE: scrrrdbear

[Dannflor]

my instinct is also that it is probably better to eliminate from the smaller hood first

but I uh wanted to see what other people said first

[Dannflor]

no thoughts head empty

[Dannflor]

I think we should eliminate from the bigger hood today!

feels like scum in the smaller hood might be slightly more likely to be self-conscious about being in the smaller hood and having attention focused there? ergo... scum in the small hood might be slightly less likely to say this as it is quite *obvious* in directing attention away from the smaller hood?

[Dannflor]

somnus does feel performative but lots of players on this website are naturally performative - it's kinda how text based mafia works to an extent

do you have experience with somnus?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Cephrir

[Dannflor]

don't worry I'm not

[Dannflor]

I have been scum read for being performative a lot before and at first I wasn't okay with it but now I've accepted it and realized it's just a part of my town play, but the point is that I'm hesitant to scum read someone for being more performative than the norm unless I know it's outside of their general meta or there are other reasons augmenting that trait

i think as it stands lucian's read on the slot is essentially a personality read and I don't really get any value out of it

I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game

Isis I Leaned Town for her initial reaction inside the hood to the hood, which was "I'm not special" for anyone curious. of all the posts in this thread I actually like #33 for the timing and not feeling the need to produce what most would probably consider towny content. It is not solvy in any way and I feel like scum!Isis would be a little self-conscious about that, especially after Lucian's post

SirCakez I vaguely like the fact that he chose his own thing to go after in Cephrir but I don't really have words to explain why right now

[Dannflor]

cephrir everything you are saying makes a kind of sense but none of it really feels like stuff that wasn't thought of before the game actually started

do you have any hot and spicy takes on other people's hot and spicy takes

pedit: lol

i mean I want to think it's towny because it makes sense but I don't think it actually is? I think if cephrir was scum putting these hoods together pre-game he would have the exact same thoughts tbh

[Dannflor]

I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game

I don't like this. Maybe it's because it hurts my ego. But this feels like handwaving my reasoning away. I understand it's not really strong, but I'm getting bad vibes regardless.

I mean, the actual reason for the timing of my posts is that I am constantly rereading the thread and my thoughts take a bit to fully form

and yes of course I am going to handwave it away I know that it is wrong

the only way I can evaluate it is whether I think it's coming from town or not, I don't think I can evaluate the strength of the reasoning itself very well

I do think it makes some assumptions that town is more likely to make though, at least at this point in the game

[Dannflor]

i mean I want to think it's towny because it makes sense but I don't think it actually is? I think if cephrir was scum putting these hoods together pre-game he would have the exact same thoughts tbh

Well, sure. But if Cephrir is scum, I struggle seeing him decide to split hoods like this, and then right out of gate use this knowledge to townread Radja. It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it, and it's not like Cephrir/Radja is a possible team for this to be scum setting up false associates.

didn't cephrir literally just say he would split the hoods like this

I mean he said he might avoid Pooky ig, but I could see loving these exact hoods as either alignment tbh

[Dannflor]

if i were scum i would 100% have put myself in the big hood with both dannflor and radja, so i can't fault anyone for seeing that

i might have dodged pooky but i'm not sure

[Dannflor]

My argument is that, if Cephrir is scum who split the hood like this, I struggle seeing him enter the game with a townread due to hood splits, and then have such complex reasoning on it.

I see

but still I have to ask, why do you struggle to see that?

[Dannflor]

It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it

Like I just think Cephrir is a very competent player

and I don't think he would be afraid of this point

I also think that the read on Radja isn't like ironclad

Cephrir could easily walk that back when he needs to, it's just an easy talking point for entering the game with

[Dannflor]

and I don't think he would be afraid of this point

Well, then he surely wouldn't have trouble coming up with alternative talking points. If he's scum, it feels like a move made from someone who wants to get into the game, but doesn't know how, so they fake reads based on things they've already thought about.

Granted, maybe he's actually a genius because I'm falling for it.

I don't think he really has come up with alternative talking points yet. Which is fine, I'm not scum reading him for that.

but I do think what he has posted so far is largely NAI

[Dannflor]

ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT WILDFIRES

VOTE: ISIS

?

[Dannflor]

cephrir is good at tone

[Dannflor]

the isis scum read feels kinda easy

like yes i think that post is surface level scummy in that is it mech talk and not really unique mech talk

but the first line makes it feel more like isis is town who really wants to interact with the thread but doesn't have much to share yet. idk like maybe scum!isis would feel compelled to post and make a bad post but i feel like she'd rather wait until she had something good to post or just pick at something that looks more contenty

maybe I'm giving her too much credit here but especially since she follows it up with #39 and #42 not long after it does feel genuine in the sense that she just has no thoughts *yet* but wants to interact anyway

[Dannflor]

I think Lucian is town too but it's not really because he's been solvy

[Dannflor]

although isis why didn't you want to vote me

[Dannflor]

I think you really believe in your Cephrir read

I also liked "maybe it hurts my ego"

[Dannflor]

I BELIEVE LUCIAN AND I WERE SIDELINED IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE STATUS QUO BIAS IN THE BIG HOOD

I BELIEVE ISIS HAS THE MOST TO BENEFIT FROM THE STATUS QUO BIAS

I feel dumb and don't really understand what this means, can you explain more

[Dannflor]

do not relate

[Dannflor]

How were you and Lucian sidelined?

[Dannflor]

I don't really know how Isis could predict she would get some town reads early is my stumbling block here

[Dannflor]

kinda wanna town read pooooky

[Dannflor]

why does it feel so anti-spewy

[Dannflor]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Dannflor]

Somnus is scummy but there is also something else going on there maybe. Like, 148 is weird because it's such complete and utter anti-spew. Which, yes, you might attribute to weak scum in the small hood who doesn't want to incriminate their partner. But that post is also anti-spewy towards their own neighborhood? And they don't need to be?? It'd be pretty easy to at least just focus on Lucian and Scared Bear and then you can at least generate content instead of whatever that post is

it makes me think there exists a world where Somnus is just neurotic town, probably not a very big world buuuuut

idk I'd like to see them come back to thread and try to make a post that isn't information over analysis

I guess I'm also paranoid because I don't really feel I have a reason to town read SCRRRDBEAR yet. There's not anything scummy I just haven't seen anything that I feel is unlikely to come from scum like I've felt from Lucian

I suppose I don't really like the initial push on Isis and then retraction, it feels slightly too like, "oh look I am having a read trajectory." if that makes sense? that might be uncharitable and I don't really have a strong reason to back that up other than gut, but the strength of their original push seems at odds with how they now disagree with it. i don't have a sense of what makes the initial push less valid now bc I feel like only part of the case had to do with the quality of Isis' posts? bear pls explain?

I guess I would put my read of that neighborhood as like Somnus >> SCRRRDBEAR >>> Lucian as far as likelihood of scum goes

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My town read of Pooky mainly comes from the fact that he isn't playing hard at all. I feel like mafia in the large hood is going to feel some pressure to establish a presence early and play relatively seriously. especially if that individual is familiar with the playerlist? idk i just think if mafia is within [isis, cephrir, pooky, sircakez], then they are going to feel the need to like carry the game as the non-expendable scum and also to establish themselves early amongst a playerlist that knows each other decently well

I don't really think Pooky shit posting and not doing much of anything really lends him to influencing the game much at all, which feels really bad for him long term?

[cephrir, sir cakez] are the two who I feel have been forcing their "solviness" and presence a little more. sir cakez' early posts feels like sorting to sort. calling me and Lucian TvT feels easy for someone who knows our alignments but I don't how actually clear that is? I don't get a sense the town read on me is that sophisticated

I see where Isis is coming from in town reading 171 though. I think it's pretty genuine just I also don't think it's an impossible scum post to make.

cephrir isn't forcing the solviness obviously but I feeeeeel like he's forcing his presence a little. like he feels the need to post. undetermined if scummy or neuroticism but it fits the portrait of what I would expect scum in that group to be doing

Radja's posts haven't really left an impression on me. Going back through I kinda wanna town read #145 for being so hedgy. I liked Cephrir's initial logic for Radja town but I realized that it completely misses that Lucian or SCRRRDBEAR could be an experienced player who aligned these neighborhoods this way? I don't actually know if Lucian is an alt but the bear clearly is and I could see that being a BEAR/Radja angle. If Somnus ends up being scum though then I think it still holds some water.

Isis is an excellent player so my read confidence on her is only Medium, but I think her posts have largely been Good while simultaneously feeling fairly Relaxed. I also maintain #33 isn't really something I think scum!Isis would want to post here

[Dannflor]

I think that's mighty uncharitable BEAR

[Dannflor]

(current tin foil is BEAR/ISIS, where BEAR came into the game, decided Somnus was a likely early elimination and that he would be locked as scum over Lucian, and so decided to start mystifying interactions with buddy)

but probably Isis is town probably

[Dannflor]

I don't tend to get angry

[Dannflor]

I sort of feel like you might be compensating for something here

[Dannflor]

sorry for calling you neurotic cephrir that was just my word of the day

[Dannflor]

but alas

VOTE: cephrir

[Dannflor]

I sort of feel like you might be compensating for something here

I THINK WHOEVRR WROTE 190 IS COMPENSATING FOR NOT RECEIVING A TOWN PM

projection?

[Dannflor]

I would like you to explain your Isis trajectory more for real tho

[Dannflor]

what are you HAHAing about

[Dannflor]

my impression of 104 and 110 was actually that isis' "bad posts" were secondary to your scum read on her

[Dannflor]

I thought I made it clear that cephrir is one of 2 slots I think to be most likely scum in the large neighborhood

i do like cephrir's logic on radja town mostly and I generally lean Radja town

[Dannflor]

I don't generally feel like wagoning in the smaller neighborhood right now

no particular reason just vibes

[Dannflor]

I think a vote on someone not especially incriminated by 190 and also not scared bear is just weird in that spot I don't like it at all

I feel like you're winding up to vote me

[Dannflor]

I will admit that my usage of qualifiers is a detrimental character flaw but at least some of this has to be either willful or reading comprehension issues on your part BEAR

[Dannflor]

does it help you guys if I do it in not stream of consciousness format because it looks pretty clear in my head

[lucian, isis]
[pooky, Radja]
-----
[scrrrrdbear]
[somnus]
[cephrir, sircakez]

[Dannflor]

although I think I like Cephrir's reaction and recent posts a lot

but I think I need to leave the thread and come back to get a better view

[Dannflor]

ALSO, WHY GROUP BOTH HOODS TOGETHER INSTEAD OF MAKING TWO SEPARATE POES?

I think it feels easier for me to visualize possible teams this way

[Dannflor]

and it's a good way for me to compare confidence

[Dannflor]

could the SCRRDBEAR all caps posting style be a smokescreen for scum?

why would this not just be the gimmick for the alt

why is this such an empty question

[Dannflor]

does it help you guys if I do it in not stream of consciousness format because it looks pretty clear in my head

[lucian, isis]
[pooky, Radja]
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[scrrrrdbear]
[somnus]
[cephrir, sircakez]

why am I at the bottom here?

idk man the questions and observations you are making feel very surface level

you lampshading that fact in 175 helps only marginally

[Dannflor]

VOTE: radja

for why

[Dannflor]

VOTE: RADJA

[Dannflor]

Dannflor, would you say that 190 is a typical town-you post?

Yeah, although I'd try to replicate it as scum too if I thought it would be advantageous

I am often very waffley in my reads, I do think I actually had some stances of value in that post though

I was thinking about the game in the car on my drive home and then made that post when I got home and it was kind of a way for me to get my thoughts oriented about the game, so I think maybe the points I eventually got to were kinda obfuscated by all the fluff. Sometimes I'm better about cutting that fluff before I post but I was too lazy this time

[Dannflor]

VOTE: RADJA

Unless...?

idk sir cakez posts feel like almost TOO surface levely to be scum

Radja I probably have the least good reasons to town read and my strongest town reads are voting there

[Dannflor]

What are your thoughts on more recent Cephrir posts then?

better

less forced

[Dannflor]

yeah probably

[Dannflor]

What does somnus flipping scum tell you about the game cakez

[Dannflor]

I want the slot to post more before we seriously contemplate killing it anyways tho

I am here

[Dannflor]

I think we should probably kill somnus but that ending the day so early would be disadvantageous

[Dannflor]

VOTE: somnus

[Dannflor]

I think it quite valuable to flip somnus and taking for granted that Somnus is definitely scum is hubris

[Dannflor]

Everyone says there’s no use for the big hood

[Dannflor]

I’m not gonna lie half the reason I want to flip Somnus is because I think scrrrdbear is likely mafia

[Dannflor]

no thoughts head empty

[Dannflor]

Okay, I lied, I have some thoughts

I feel like Somnus isn’t scum despite having zero logical or non-vibes based feelings to back that up. But I’ll try to explain how I feel about the current game-state regardless. I’ve been doing some rereading and it’s only be fueling my current idea of the game so hopefully someone can tell me which parts of this have merit and which are just conf-bias.

What I'm mostly worried about is being wrong here, Somnus flipping town and us having pretty much nothing to work with, aside from the 50/50 odds. Which pretty much forces us to look at the small hood AGAIN on day 2.

I don’t think this is a town thought. I don’t think any townie would believe that Somnus flipping town gives us nothing to work with. Especially because Lucian is so eye-blindingly obvious town in this game. I don’t think anyone has not town read Lucian at this point?

A Somnus town flip would break the game wide open and this post seems like a fake fear designed to look pro-town. If my current theory about the game is correct then this also fits because I don’t think scum want to flip Somnus right now. If Somnus is town, flipping them puts extreme pressure on a mafia member who is otherwise exerting a lot of thread presence.

If I’m wrong and Somnus is scum, I would expect Somnus’ partner to be ready and willing to bus them. I would honestly probably clear Radja in this scenario.

All that being said, if Somnus is town, I think scum in the big hood always has to be ready to turn and believably bus their buddy due to the inevitability of the Somnus flip and the nature of the setup.

Small Hood: ScaredBear an Lucian are probably town?
Unless:
- Scared Bear is mafia
- wants to make sure we vote in the small hood for the mafia in big hood to have better odds later
- will probably get voted out on day 2 if Somnus happens to be town? But that leaves the big hood wide open, which might be a good call for them.

Or I'm wrong about Lucian..

Big Hood: not a clue tbh

I guess I could vote Somnus, but I'm not convinced eliminating from the small hood is a good idea.

That’s why I find this hedging to be especially scummy if my scrrredbear!scum and Somnus!town theory is correct. Look at all the words Radja devotes to the possibility that BEAR might be scum. It reads partnery to me.

I am also unclear how Radja progressed from thinking eliminating in the small hood was good, to thinking eliminating in the big hood was more rewarding, to thinking eliminating in the small hood is actively bad.

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As far as BEAR goes, I don’t think the way he’s approached me has been in good faith. It’s a little hard for me to be objective about, but the way he jumped on my earlier wall post is very reminiscent of the types of votes I tend to make as scum when I perceive a townie making a “bad” post. There was a lack of any sort of real engagement or follow up with my post, even in a confrontational manner. Compare to Lucian and Cephrir, who had similarly negative reactions but also seemed genuinely curious and tried to understand me.

I think his most recent post assuming that the contradictions in my most recent posts are some sort of scummy mistake rather than me just having thoughts I’m keeping to myself or changing my mind on certain things is another example of BEAR not seeming to be actually curious about my alignment.

I still think the way he brushed off his Isis progression as just being, her posts got better, a little intentionally obtuse when he told me I was under thinking his original reasoning.

I also think BEAR seems to have a vested interest in not letting a Somnus wagon build up too much momentum because I don’t think BEAR believes anyone ever townreads him more than Lucian. Yes, I know BEAR already voted Somnus, but I don’t think the timing or context of that vote matches a real motivation to kill Somnus.

I’m worried BEAR is using the hood to pocket Lucian right now uncontested by Somnus. I honestly think that’s the only reason to use the small hood with scum still potentially in it. You are *only* hiding information from potential townies.

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I think Cakez is not as scummy as Radja now. I don’t know his meta but it sounds like this type of posting is not unusual. I don’t like that he seemed to be self aware that his posts were bad but ehhhh, I feel like I don’t have as much good reason to scum read him. I think Cakez not wanting to talk to Lucian, the most town read person in the game is +++++++town

Cephrir I just flat out town read now. Honestly, Cephrir scum read was born out of a desire to find the deep wolf. I think this was silly now.

Pooky has a cool guy persona to maintain and would never admit to trying at mafia, but I still maintain he’d be trying harder or at least have a higher presence here as scum

Overall, I don’t like how Radja has avoided voting me and also Cakez. Pooky is the safest scum read you can have right now besides Somnus. It reads like he doesn’t want to get his hands dirty.

Big Hood: Isis > Cephrir > Pooky > Cakez >>> Radja

Small Hood: Lucian >>> Somnus > BEAR

I would like to eliminate in [Radja, Somnus, BEAR]. I realize Somnus is probably much more palatable to people then BEAR, so I’m happy to elim there because I think it resolves the neighborhood either way. I also think Somnus being scum kinda clears Radja.

I think Radja/BEAR is the current team but the path of least resistance to getting that team might just be Somnus right now. Happy with any of the three wagons though

[Dannflor]

Actually probably swap Cakez and Pooky

I could see a Somnus/Pooky world

[Dannflor]

no thoughts head empty

Though to be real, this "follow up" after admitting to scumreading Scared Bear and doing nothing about it is atrocious.

I didn’t have time to real post I was buying Halloween decorations

I also feel weird about it because like Somnus IS scummy and honestly it feels bad to eliminate a slot that is posting content over that

So honestly it feels easier to just kill Somnus and let your towniness speak for itself

By the way Lucian, can you describe how BEAR has been interacting with you in the hood? Or paraphrase some stuff you’ve talked about?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: scrredbear

Okay I didn’t mean you haven’t been confrontational, I meant you haven’t really posted anything I get you wanted me to respond to or that was meant to gauge my alignment, even in a confrontational style. You’ve been very confrontational but I think it’s meant to persuade and push, not interact with me

I don’t have much time today but I’ll respond in full when I get back tonight

[Dannflor]

I’m sorry for not getting to the response I promised today, will do tomorrow after celebrating partner’s birthday

I have no issue getting more specific and pulling receipts, I would not have made those points if I didn’t have posts on mind, I was just wall posting via phone and linking to individual posts takes a lot of work. I wouldn’t make vague arguments without posts to back it up as either alignment though

I don’t have a problem really with you asking for that though, I feel that’s only fair especially if you feel it’s a mischaracterization

My problem has more been with you positing questions or aiming posts at me that don’t really feel like you want me to respond to them

Or rather they are questions that are framed in such a way that it seems clear you are already searching for a specific answer

One specific post I can think of is when you asked whether Radja and I were sorting in the big hood, which you then followed up with by stating that we aren’t doing any solving in the main thread.

1. I don’t think you had any reason to think there was any sorting at all being done in the big hood.
2. Even if we were, how would knowing that impact your read on me in any shape or form?
3. You appealed to the crowd instead of asking us directly, which reads more as a rhetorical device meant to convince rather than actually engage with either me or Radja. That also makes me think you already knew the answer to that question.

I will respond to the rest of your wall when I get more time. But like, come on BEAR, im not getting the feeling you want to sort me. Im getting the feeling you wanna GOTCHA me

[Dannflor]

VOTE: scrredbear

Okay I didn’t mean you haven’t been confrontational, I meant you haven’t really posted anything I get you wanted me to respond to or that was meant to gauge my alignment, even in a confrontational style. You’ve been very confrontational but I think it’s meant to persuade and push, not interact with me

I don’t have much time today but I’ll respond in full when I get back tonight

okay this reads really fake to me
Dann is basically ceding all of Bear's points then throwing up his hands and voting him anyways. it feels like scum who is trying to get pressure off their back.

VOTE: dannflor

What? I am not ceding anything, my points have been misrepresented or misunderstood

[Dannflor]

I will respond to the rest of your wall when I get more time. But like, come on BEAR, im not getting the feeling you want to sort me. Im getting the feeling you wanna GOTCHA me

does this make BEAR scum?

I think it’s a scum tell!!

[Dannflor]

i have trouble seeing dann-scum being partnered with either bear or somnus and deciding to take this line of play its so much unnecesary work.

I have much stronger scum performances

I won in Purgatory recently

That game I was just burnt out on mafia in general

[Dannflor]

VOTE: scrredbear

Okay I didn’t mean you haven’t been confrontational, I meant you haven’t really posted anything I get you wanted me to respond to or that was meant to gauge my alignment, even in a confrontational style. You’ve been very confrontational but I think it’s meant to persuade and push, not interact with me

I don’t have much time today but I’ll respond in full when I get back tonight

okay this reads really fake to me
Dann is basically ceding all of Bear's points then throwing up his hands and voting him anyways. it feels like scum who is trying to get pressure off their back.

VOTE: dannflor

How on earth does playing like this get pressure off my back

[Dannflor]

Idk I kinda think if BEAR flips town at this point people are not gonna look very favorably at me

[Dannflor]

I am fine with that

[Dannflor]

One thing I see in radja's favor - he wants to target the big hood yet has declined to support the most viable big hood elims other than himself (dann and cakez). Hard to see what his plan is as scum. I would like to hear more words about his pooky vote tho.

I don’t know if “not wanting to be on the most viable miselimination wagons” is necessarily a point in Radja’s favor?

[Dannflor]

Ok I had one bad scum game pls I can do more than that

[Dannflor]

Oh

TWO bad scum games oops

[Dannflor]

I think those were both probably involved in a low point where I flaked out of a lot of games because I got insanely busy IRL

my most recent scum game was an improvement and recovery of my ego

anyway I actually have energy for the game now so I think you should try to evaluate your read without that being as much of a factor

[Dannflor]

this argument is just a pride check

You underrate yourself isis

[Dannflor]

Shouldn't you not post 475 if you want to win

As either alignment

My brainnnnn

I think it helps me read you better if you have to come up with other reasons to town and or scum read me

[Dannflor]

anyway I actually have energy for the game now so I think you should try to evaluate your read without that being as much of a factor

YOU HAVE BEEN LOW ENERGY RECENTLY FOR IRL REASONS?

Hm no I meant in general the past few months I’ve had energy for the game again

On weekends usually I always can only post at night and usually not that much, but I’ll be more present again starting tomorrow

I don’t think that’s what you mean though

[Dannflor]

Radja why aren't you feeling Dannflor scum

[Dannflor]

You're nonchalant in a way, but you also question things at the right time.

Isis is very good at replicating this in her scum game and she knows I know that which is probably why she's going huh at me so strongly town reading her

[Dannflor]

partially laziness, partially I think she'd be playing a little more proactively as scum, partially she's the only one in the big hood I think hasn't done anything suspicious

I'm in the process of rereading so I'll get back to you

[Dannflor]

Increasingly feeling like the highest winrate move is to just yeet Somnus

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Somnus

[Dannflor]

Spoiler: Response to BEAR

WHERE IS THE FOLLOW UP TO SORTING CAKEZ IN 313, DANNFLOR?

I was interested in the idea that flipping Somnus would give a ton of insight into the game even if he flipped scum. No one seems to be playing around the slot particularly hard and the slot has given virtually 0 associatives. At the time, it didn't feel immediately intuitive that even if its likely a scum slot, that flipping it would give a bunch of information. I wanted to see where Cakez' thought came from and evaluate whether it was genuine. I was moderately satisfied with his answer but I just didn't say so in thread because why would I? It didn't change my opinion of him all that much.

This is the type of question I mean when I say I feel like you wanna GOTCHA me rather than sort my alignment. It's not AtE. I literally don't understand *why* you expect an in-thread follow-up to that. I also think you saw some sort of contradiction in me not thinking that there is a lot of information from Somnus' flip and me wanting to kill Somnus, but I don't really think those too are mutually exclusive.

I also *now* think Somnus' flip actually gives more information than I previously thought but that's neither here nor there.

I'm gonna continue to do this line by line receipt style because that seems to be what you want.

WHERE IS THE FOLLOW UP TO SORTING SOMNUS IN 353, DANNFLOR?

I do not know how to sort Somnus based on his 4 posts and the fact that he is not here. I started having suspicions of you because I felt your push on me wasn't genuine, however, that conflicted with the fact that I really have no logical reason to town read Somnus aside from the fact that I scum read you. So I've been caught in this weird limbo where I have this pocket read on you but like if I use the rational part of my brain Somnus is just the best flip and the easiest one to get people on board with. It also hedges if I'm wrong which I'm thinking is increasingly likely as I reread the game.

Again, this is another example of a question where I don't understand what you're looking for. And again contributes to me feeling like you have no intention of sorting me.

IF I FOLLOWED UP ANY HARD HARDER ON MY SUSPICIONS OF 190 THEN MY SKULL WOULD EXPLODE.

HOW HAS MY MANNER NOT BEEN CONFRONTATIONAL? TELL ME. TELL ME HOW I HAVE NOT BEEN CONFRONTATIONAL IN CALLING OUT YOUR SCUMMY POSTS SO I CAN BE MORE DIRECT ABOUT WHICH ROLE PM YOU GOT.

I phrased my initial post wrong. I definitely did not mean you have not been confrontational. Your whole vibe is confrontational. I mean I haven't felt like you have really tried to engage me (until recently) even though you've been confrontational. I think you can be confrontational but also try to fairly engage. I only felt the former.

WHERE? WHICH POST? WHICH POST DID I NOT SEEM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR ALIGNMENT? WHERE IS THE POST LINK OR THE QUOTE OF THE POST WHERE I DID NOT SEEM CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR ALIGNMENT?

YOU MEAN THIS ONE?

Both the posts you linked did not seem curious. Like I don't think the question about me solving in the hood is really going to give you any information? I guess it's plausible you think it might. But at the time I was like... oh he definitely knows there's nothing going on in the big hood.

It's also very possible some of my perception here is colored by the ALL CAPS.

INSTEAD OF PROVIDING RATIONALE AND EXAMPLES FOR THIS CLAIM, YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT ONTO RANDOM TOPICS TO SHADE MY CREDIBILITY AND DID NOT PROVIDE ANY POST TAGS OR QUOTES AT ANY POINT FOR WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.

I wrote both my walls this game on my ipad at midnight in bed next to my sleeping partner. I was never going to post tag or quote.

I do regret not being as clear in my communication as I could've been. I feel like we've been talking past each other a little bit.

NO. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN APPROACHING IN BAD FAITH AND CALLING OUT SCUMMY POSTS. THIS IS THE LATTER. YOU'VE MADE SCUM TELLS REPEATEDLY STARTING IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF 190 AND YOU'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE THEM HERE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF 389.

Also, rereading I do understand where you're coming from more. I don't think 190 was a great post. It wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be thought vomit into the thread. I can see why a townie would think it is scummy. But the way I perceived your push onto me felt a lot more like the types of pushes scum make when they are looking for a "bad" post to latch onto.

I don't really have the BEAR scum vibes anymore. I mean, I think it's possible. It's possible my initial instinct was correct. But I don't really trust that instinct to not have been colored by ego and other emotions. In the cold light of day I see BEAR being increasingly frustrated by my responses, not BEAR being increasingly malicious towards me.

I like BEAR's posting a lot more after he stopped piece by piece wall posting to me. I already elaborated why those posts felt hard to respond to meaningfully. 411 seems to demonstrate some familiarity with me, which while I can't verify, I think his expectation of me providing a clearer thorough line to follow checks out. 464 and 467 and 477 all feel like BEAR is intentionally trying to give me space to breathe, and also like he's trying to search for a possible alternative explanation for his read on my play this game. Both of which feel unnecessary for scum!BEAR.

The more I think about it the more I just think it's a Somnus flip today. Some part of my suspicion towards BEAR was that it almost seemed like there was a surprising amount of resistance to his elimination in the game state. I would have expected his partner to be gung-ho about bussing. Obviously, that isn't the case anymore.

Sadly, Somnus hasn't come back to post more and generate more information like I hoped. But I feel like enough time has elapsed that there is at least some information generated by his flip.

I really really really really don't think Radja is partners with Somnus, largely because of 145. And so not only do I probably need to re-evaluate I think Somnus is just a way more valuable first flip. I think there still exists a world where BEAR is scum and although I was probably wrong on him I would love to just eliminate that possibility at all.

I don't have a great feeling about pushing anyone in the big hood right now and I'd prefer to at least get some information from flipping Somnus than pushing something I don't feel great about in the big hood.

I do need to reevaluate Isis. I started my reread trying to reset and I feel pretty good about Cephrir and Cakez being town, elaboration on that will come after my morning meeting.

[Dannflor]

I had kinda hoped that if Somnus was scum then his buddy would be a bit frustrated with the situation and let that leak out into their posting a bit

but reflecting I guess it's not terrible to have a buddy in the small hood that gives zero associatives

[Dannflor]

Dannflor I think you're not making reads in a very collaborative way youre like bot interested in reading other ppls thesises to unlock the truth of science just happy to deposit your thesis on the shelf and get your phd a

I'm not sure what your point is

[Dannflor]

if i were to big brain the entire game id vote isis right now but only because i think she's drifted a little too hard into the stream of consciousness mode that I think tends to be her scum comfort zone

[Dannflor]

Ahhhhhh why does that post feel like it’s meant to make us look partnered

I need somnus to flip so I stop having these feelings

[Dannflor]

i can't imagine town!pooky reading 531 and feeling "mood"

it feels a consistent with him being low effort though? I can imagine that contradiction existing when someone isn't putting a lot into a game

[Dannflor]

happy cake day!!

[Dannflor]

VOTE: RADJA

DANNFLOR'S POSTING IMPROVED GREATLY IN 508. NO LONGER FEELS LIKE FLOATY SCUM SLOT. NOW

EVERYONE

IN BIG HOOD STARTING TO CATCH MY SQUINTY EYE.

why is this post so weird

why did it take one post that honestly i don't think feels all too different from every other post ive made this game

why does it feel so performativeeeeee

[Dannflor]

who is scrrrdbear's partner, ffery

[Dannflor]

ig I'd kill pooky at this point too

[Dannflor]

Interesting

The correlation was me using my computer to post in the light of day vs. my ipad at midnight

i wonder if there is causation

[Dannflor]

@Dann have you played with scum-Pooky? He didn't start out as a ball of fire in the games I've played with scum-him. Or in the games I modded where he was scum.

I don't think so

I vaguely remember he won like don corleone at one point tho?

or did i make that up

[Dannflor]

why'd you unvote, pooky

[Dannflor]

if someone e-1s me and fferylit quickhammers. kill them both d2/3 no excuses

VOTE: ffery

lol in what world

[Dannflor]

"All that being said, if Somnus is town, I think scum in the big hood always has to be ready to turn and believably bus their buddy due to the inevitability of the Somnus flip and the nature of the setup."

Who in the big hood do you see positioning in this manner?

I believed it to be Radja

I think I elaborated on this in the post

[Dannflor]

What is happening right now

[Dannflor]

I scum read Cephrir before it was cool

[Dannflor]

should i do it

[Dannflor]

I do not understand why we are not eliminating ffery

it's not big brain enough

[Dannflor]

i think i would hesitate to hammer no matter what

[Dannflor]

why isn't ffery speaking to you

[Dannflor]

my personal concern w 657 isnt effort based but more it seems overly chill in the "I don't care if I die" department

[Dannflor]

to cakez

[Dannflor]

caring about being voted out is stressful and tilting and I am trying to not care about that because i like to enjoy playing this game

ok

why don't you wanna kill ffery anymore

[Dannflor]

ok so actually i was asking cakez why the ffery wagon wasn't speaking to him

I hadn't actually noticed whether or not you were speaking to him in thread or not

but interesting

[Dannflor]

Unfortunately for you, you're in a horrible slot.

I reaaaaaally dont want to eliminate from the small hood. Can we not do that please?

WHY

[Dannflor]

I mean, Lucian just explained why someone in the small hood shouldn't be given town points for not hammering Pooky

[Dannflor]

I don't understand why the somnus/ffery slot is apparently obvious scum to both SCRRRDBEAR and Lucian yet neither seem to actually want to kill it

[Dannflor]

Ceph did you snow me again

can you show me your wires isis

[Dannflor]

I personally feel trying to big brain flash wagon at end of day off of vibes is usually Bad

[Dannflor]

:/

Eliminating in the small hood is the correct play.

I don't like this post

I don't think you would be sad and resigned as town here I think you would have some FIRE to kill the BEAR

this is a post designed to make people not want to vote you

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Pooky

beat you to it

[Dannflor]

hmmm

[Dannflor]

smh my head

[Dannflor]

gg

nice try ffery

[Dannflor]

thank you for modding catboi!

I wish there was more incentive to use the neighborhoods in this setup

[Dannflor]

Daniel Napoleon Florington what did I JUST say

thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow

[Dannflor]

I want to read small hood

[Dannflor]

My experience is that often in games where the percentage of veterans is high things get unfun and even sometimes toxic pretty easily/quickly.

I think everyone here takes to a supportive role rather than a carry role rather easily which helped

[Dannflor]

I felt like this game avoided that for the most part. The Dannflor/SCRRRDBEAR interactions could have gone badly, but didn't so gj to both of you!

THANK YOU. IT REQUIRED SELF REFLECTION AND SELF CONTROL TO OVERCOME MY TUNNEL ON DANNFLOR. CEPHRIR VALIDATING NEITHER MY PUSH AGAINST 389 NOR DANNFLOR'S DEFENSE WAS HELPFUL AND AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO REACH ME IN A WAY I COULD ACCEPT. ALSO, ISIS FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WERE SCREENING FOR WAS HELPFUL. MOSTLY THOUGH I THINK DANNFLOR HELPED TO BREAK OUT OF MY TUNNEL BECAUSE I THINK 508 REALLY WAS WELL WRITTEN.

Thank you for being open minded

You helped me take a step back and realize that the previous ways I was approaching you weren’t really productive and I was able to understand a lot better after some distance