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[ProfessorDrapion]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

Agree. Not sure about Kitty, though.

Why is Shidaji in your PoE?

Why is he not in the PoE and why isn’t Kitty town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I agree with Salsa on those and you don’t.
I also think you can be a wolf and have a likely chance on flipping such.

[ProfessorDrapion]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

i would have expected more of an effort from their partners if they were scum to get another wagon going. i dont think they are going to flip red

Gun to your head who do you think is scum in Galron's wagon?

Also why do you talk in plural, do you think there are more than two scum?

For some reason I thought this said less, my bad yeah I didn’t read it properly.

[ProfessorDrapion]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

I second Galron!Town I like how they reacted to the pressure on them and their later posts felt Townie.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m town and I think Galron is town so it’s kinda sad he thinks I’m wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah mafia are power wolfing probably idk if I want to deal with it though can we execute me today?
I’m just a backup. :/

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m from Canada

[ProfessorDrapion]

No

[ProfessorDrapion]

I just found how he posted Townie

[ProfessorDrapion]

Is my role super important?
Backup Doctor?
I’m also just a 1-Shot.

I can die tonight right so I don’t have to fight for my life during LYLO and have people criticize me cause they can’t realize I’m town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

I’m losing WiM for this game tbh.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am around to talk if anyone wants to pull up a chair my reads haven't changed much in the last page or two. Let's start talking consensus.

Give me Pros and Cons to every player.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oooooo

VOTE: NJAC

[ProfessorDrapion]

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure it’s NJAC/Suji or whatever their name is

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think they are a difference check but not sure whom their partner is.


Pretty confident Porkens and Malcolm are town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I feel this is the right decision today:

VOTE: Kitty

You feel like the right decision today.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Kitty is town.

Here’s where I’m at Salsa has a high chance on being wolf but here is the funny thing.

Kitty can only be a wolf with two players that I can see, Guav and Salsa.
I know I said I think Guav is town but the threadstate says they can be a wolf just must be with Kitty/Guav so to clarify.

Guav/Kitty are town unless wolves together or one with Salsa.

So that’s why I think it’s just more probably you are a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Gera not Guav sorry.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah well, I'm not following your logic.

Ok.
Well I have my own ways of figuring stuff out.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

I was trying to pressure them yesterday but instead I was the one getting pressured. X.X

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ve been so busy and I’ve been in other games that I don’t remember what it is anymore lol but I remember I thought they were wolfy for something they did SoD1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Remember when I pushed NJAC early day 1 and you all had me top wagon and pushed for my execution?

Yeah.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa could have bussed but that’s only if there is a wolf on the wagon it would be them.
Porkens is lock town to me rn

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa could have bussed but that’s only if there is a wolf on the wagon it would be them.
Porkens is lock town to me rn

Scum!me wouldn't hammer genius, I would aim for the opposite wagon or even better, no-elimination

I mean it really depends.
What the other wolf role is.
How safe you thought you were.
If ending the day immediately with a hammer is a good call in that scenario and you thought they were going to go over anyway so needed to make sure you were on it so you didn’t look bad.

Etc.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Look at it this way.
No one was moving wagon.
NJAC was going over anyway.


Why does this make Salsa high town?
It honestly doesn’t.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Salsa

[ProfessorDrapion]

Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

Look at this readslist and then look how both their highest towns were both executions and Salsa was on both wagons.

Final vote count of Day 1!

Votecount 1.13

XXXTentacion - Look At Me!

(2016)

Commentary: I was torn on whether to feature him in this game or not due to his history of anti-social behavior. However, given the fact that I had featured Snoop Dogg before for his musical contributions, I decided to go with that instead. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that this artist in particular had led a very troubled life.

XXXTentacion was probably the most known representative of a musical genre called SoundCloud rap, which was quite popular in the second half of the 2010s. He was murdered in daylight while attempting to defend himself against armed robbers.

Wayward Son

(6): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)

geraintm

(3): Wayward Son, Crescent, NJAC

Galron

(1): KittyTacky

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

With 11 alive, it took 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ended.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It wasn’t until I outed my role where Salsa backed off of me

[ProfessorDrapion]

After that Salsa started hard pushing Galron for a long while

[ProfessorDrapion]

Meanwhile I was hard pushing Wayward and still showed concern for NJAC.

I also eventually felt a town vibe from Galron I think either during Day 2 or near end of Day 1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Another reason I pushed Wayward is because they had NJAC as a hard town read and it wasn’t on the right path I had and I felt like he could have hurt us later on (I’m correct) so I took out the dude I felt was town reading wolf/wolves if town and I was right.

I also voted him initially cause I seen wolf equity with him and my other wolf reads including NJAC.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also to be clear.
I think if it’s 2 wolves alive and not one.
I definitely think Salsa/Gera can be a team and I definitely think Salsa would buss that later.


I don’t think Gera is directly wolfy but I see wolf equity with Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

So if you guys wish to vote Galron who I believe was Salsa’s next designated ML day 1 after they couldn’t do it to me, so be it.
But if you want my opinion, my opinion is to just execute Salsa here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My strongest town read right now is Porkens. Never ever execute her.
The next one would be Galron who I think it’s going to flip town here, call it TMI if you want I honestly don’t GAF.
Malcolm/Shiji/Gera - are players I can town read but can also see wolf equity from at the same time.
Conflicting and haven’t came to a full conclusion on either of the 3.

Leaving Salsa. Who I don’t see any reason to town read and I think their actions have been done through a mindset of a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean think about it like this.

The way the thread was going there was a good chance NJAC would have went over anyway, if Salsa didn't go on the wagon they would have been pushed the next day.
so to look good and not be pushed they HAD to hammer.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I really don’t think it’s Galron and really think it’s Salsa but Suiida might be a crazy mafia.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hmm let me see

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah, Salsa can go to my town list.

I'm having a hard time getting a proper read on Professor, but I'm not sure if his erratic behavior is coming from scum.

I think Kitty is at least trying, compared to Newbie 2100, so I feel I can unvote him for now.

I need to reread, meanwhile I'm just going to sheep Salsa:

VOTE: Galron

Ignoring his meme entrance vote on Kitty, this was his initial first vote.
I don’t think he votes a buddy off the bat, sure he could be distancing but I’m not sure he just goes “yeah I’ll sheep this” onto his partner.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299&start=325

As a rep in it doesn't do much for early game analysis but I'm going to archive this for later on. Thanks!

@Galron: what insights did you get from that game about scum!Porkens' play?

@NJAC Who's scum?

Still working on it. It would be easier if there weren't so many anti town players.

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

Why? Do you think Galron is town? If so why?

I think whoever steered the wagon away from Galron is scum with Galron.
VOTE: Galron

Can you please summarize your case on Galron?

I’m town and I think Galron is town so it’s kinda sad he thinks I’m wolf.

Why is Galron town?

I feel like I'm starting to tunnel Prof to the exclusion of everyone else.

Can you please state what was your case against Professor? I don't remember you voting him.

These also don’t look like NJAC is paired with Galron.

Like seriously.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guys please just trust me on Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure it’s just them or Suji hard bussed.

Its definitely not Porkens
As soon previously I don’t think it’s ever Galron either.

I think Gera and Malcolm are more town then not but again still conflicting on both.

Then Shii or whatever their name is still gives me odd vibes, plus you could argue Shii didn’t think the wagon would take off the way it did and they were only voting NJAC as a distancing tactic or something. They could just be town but I don’t quite remember their entirety of their case on NJAC nor do I recall much mention regarding them day 1 where as I have had serval interactions with NJAC and so has Galron, again I don’t think Galron is Mafia.

As for Salsa well…
I already explained I think they are a wolf.
I explained how both wagonomics and socially think they are a wolf.
The only valid argument for them being town I can see or a counter point to Galron thing is that NJAC sheeped Salsa but keep in mind there is a big difference from an early game early day sheep then a late game and/or late day sheep.

So looking it at that it wouldn’t surprise me at all for a wolf to sheep their own partner.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Malcolm

I’d rather this then Galron.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like as I said look at the interactions.
NJAC spewed Galron town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like I want to Execute Salsa but I can compromise.
I ain’t voting Galron or Porkens. They are town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean man I swear to god it’s Salsa.
They haven’t done a single thing actually town AI this entire game where I have reason to believe others are town there is absolutely nothing that makes Salsa town but there is things that make them wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually no. In multiple pass games on my homesite, town lost.
And I was pushing correctly on wolf but I didn’t follow through fast enough.

VOTE: Salsa

Not this time!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Y’know what here’s how we are going to play it.
If anyone doesn’t want to vote Salsa we are going to talk.
Your going to explain to me why they are town and then I’m going to respond accordingly towards it.
Cause truth me told, Salsa hasn’t done a thing AI.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Except wolf motivation equity

[ProfessorDrapion]

Remember content and “ooo look at me I can write 18 thousand paragraphs a second” doesn’t make someone Townie.

If Salsa was “so Townie” they would have died over Cresent or Kitty.


If you actually look closely they haven’t done anything Townie this game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But you know what I’ll give Salsa a chance and look over on how they voted NJAC

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'll try to come back before deadline but I'll be busy, so no promises.

VOTE: geraintm

E-2

The f**k!

UNVOTE: NJAC

Btw, why did you check

Kitty

out of all players? I just read your ISO, you didn’t thought of scum!

Kitty

that much!

BTW, I can't risk no-elimination,

@Kitty

, vote with me...

VOTE: geraintm

You guys call this fucking Townie?
I call this wolf motivation.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hammering....

VOTE: NJAC

Like there is no content by their hammer.
It’s like they hammered cause they felt like they had to.

And as a wolf technically you would “have” to hammer so you are on the wolf wagon and look good.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Salsa is a wolf I think based on thread, they have to be a wolf with one of NJAC/Malcolm.

Really? Scum!me is making

obvious association

with my partners instead of creating distance.... What a good player I am!

You don’t have to be a wolf to push back to back ML.
But you

Can

be a wolf with that agenda in mind.

Where. Is. Your. Vote. Genius?

On the dude I’ve been pushing.

Your pushing on

NJAC

isn't going anywhere and you're pushing me now by shading

Malcolm

.

Now that I remember, you didn’t give any reasoning for your

Malcolm

scumread.

Wolfy Post Involving NJAC early Day 1

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Professor

,

after reading your &

NJAC

's

ISO together, your reason to scumread

NJAC

seems

My read can't be wrong

type of thing to me or you scumread them 1st then forming the read around it.

Spoiler: NJAC vs Professor

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

I entered the thread before you, in case you didn't notice. I'm already voting, btw.

What's wrong with my approach to Porkens?

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

I'm trying to understand what kind of player Porkens is and what to expect from them.

Alright.
My bad, just thought you came into the thread, read over stuff and starting going after someone I’m not a great way.
But it wasn’t your first post so it’s not taken the same way.

Please elaborate. Why exactly wasn't it a great way? What exactly changes now that you notice it's not my first post?

Cause if that’s the first thing someone chooses to do as they begin the game it doesn’t seem Townie to me and seems more agenda driven or trying to make fake content or rather content that could just become NAI.

Eh.
So far all I see from NJAC is they seem to talk about someone’s play and whatnot.
“Newbie Scum”
“Not Newbie”

Idk, I’m really not feeling it.
Can be town but I’m not sure on that slot tbh.

Exactly what I was getting at Cres.
NJAC asks about stuff that is basically NAI rather it be play or some sort of “newbie” or “mechanical” talk.
And that’s what I was trying to say “it doesn’t bring us anywhere” cause it’s NAI the stuff they ask.

Okay. You got my attention. Where were you bringing us before I started asking Porkens?

You realize the dudes discussion is going nowhere right?
There was better things they could have said/asked Porkens.

I think your just jealous I used your color in that one post

What better things could have been said/asked to Porkens at that moment?

@Professor: do you plan to answer the questions addressed to you?

121, 256 and 257 were addressed to you.

Why do I need to respond to 257?
I’ll have to take a look back to give you examples to answer your question in 121 but I’m lazy and will probably do it later zzzz
As for 256 “threadstate” and kinda have a vibe read on them that doesn’t mean much but think it can mean they can be a wolf.

I think you can do better than this.

In 257 you said Malcolm could be scum, but you don't explain why, and that's exactly what I want to know because I'm interested in understanding what in the post you quoted looks scummy in your eyes.

121 is important because you said my questions to Porkens don't bring us anywhere, so I want to know what exactly were you doing before to bring us somewhere. So don't be lazy and answer the question.

With regards to 256 (not sure if you mixed up 256 and 257) I want to know what was a better question to Porkens according to you.

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

Hmm it might be an excuse to not vote me, good catch.

Good be wolf with a perspective that knows I am town.

Then you stated your

Malcolm

suspicion in 171 (I have a question for you in that matter, before

geraintm

said anything, do you also think their vote in 72 was random?) but didn’t explain the reasoning even after people asked you about it but agree with

geraintm

in 321. Then you made an associative read on me with one of

NJAC

&

Malcolm

. After that you did nothing about it.

Then suddenly you stated your scumread on

Wayward

in 406 with

NJAC

by agreeing with

Porkens

or after asking

NJAC

about

Wayward

in 354 (you asked a similar question to

NJAC

about

Kitty

in 379, why not

NJAC

&

Kitty

are scums according to your logic for scumreading

NJAC

?) without giving any reasoning. In 324 you're aiming for

Wayward

's scum flip will clear

Galron

but what

Galron

did so far that you're giving them pass over

Wayward

? In 335 you said you think

Malcolm

v

Wayward

is TvS, so what changed in between for you to townread

Malcolm

now?
The reason you address in 336 to scumread

Wayward

also applied to

Kitty

, right?
In 339, you again address

Galron

v

Wayward

isn’t SvS while you keep townreading

Porkens

. Do you open their ISO? All they did so far is posting NAI/mechanics stuffs, staying under radar and placed a

gut vote

on

Wayward

. Don’t you think for a player who joined 2008, all of these are very odd?

EVERYONE PLEASE READ

Bolded

This was a way to soft defend NJAC without doing so.

Salsa was power wolfing hard, especially early day 1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Basically this following line makes this post by Salsa wolfy and a NJAC team with them very likely:
“after reading your & NJAC's ISO together, your reason to scumread NJAC seems My read can't be wrong”

[ProfessorDrapion]

Power Wolf

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am not voting Galron.

I explained how they ain’t a wolf and it doesn’t make sense for NJAC to be aligned with them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Looks like you don’t seem too concern right now Salsa.
Pushing the player you were pushing for execution day 1 Galron.

Just you wait till tomorrow after Galron flips Green.

Then people my realize what I realize.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I wouldn’t mind a Thunderdome with you either tomorrow Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright Salsa let’s make an agreement wolf.

Ill vote Galron and then we Thunderdome tomorrow if it’s Green like it probably is.

Do you accept Salsa? Or you scared wolf?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m fine with galron today but I want to look at a couple things before we end the day

Alright I’ll vote then.


Also yeah Salsa you are a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Porkens
Ping me when your finished

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Mod

, are you considering this as a game related content? This slot is just dodging prods & doing literally nothing for 2/3 days... Please take action for this slot, they're literally game throwing!!

This was an over reaction.
I just didn’t have much WiM.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'll vote from this pool: {

Porkens

>

geraintm

>

NJAC

>

Galron

} in this order.

Fun fact. NJAC was their last one they decided to vote and only voted cause wagon was high on NJAC and Salsa needed into it.

[quote="In post 1172,

I'm at work I will look at njac's iso tonight. They really haven't gotten any pressure that I can recall. I don't see remember any conclusions being drawn from answers to questions they've asked. Like possible scum busy work.

Njac coming back at me a bit was kind of townie.

I've really soured on geraintm being town.

VOTE: gera

Hmm... what exactly

NJAC

did to change your read on them,

@Galron

?

Vote: NJAC

Please state your case on me, as detailed as possible.

I voted you to get some reaction to it from you and potentially others to better my reads. I also enjoy performing my civic duty!! Suprisingly Porkens summarized my general feelings more succinctly than I could below:

NJACs ISO is basically 3 things:

1. Do you think XYZ is town? Why?
2. What is your case on XYZ?
3. You didn’t respond to 123, please go back and respond.

This is quintessential scum fluffing. It looks like activity, but it’s not. It looks like it contributes, but it doesn’t. It’s scum playing facilitator.

VOTE: NJAC

Does this fall in line with a Porkens-NJAC scumteam still existing? Not sure Potentially porkens realizing they need to start dissociating from NJAC after few associative tells.

About last line... yeah, I can see that.

Hmm another thing to prove my power wolf theory.
As soon as Galron mentioned going to wolf read NJAC, Salsa immediately jumps on it being like “oh no don’t read this”
And not to mention also mentions in the same posts trying to make it so NJAC and Porkens can be aligned when they clearly cannot, Porkens is spewed town, vote Salsa a million times over before them.


Shall I continue showing you all that Salsa is more likely to be a wolf then town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like guys actually please for the love of gawd look at these posts.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If it’s Galron I’ll accept anything anyone wants to say.
But please do me a favour. Don’t let Salsa live to LYLO.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Galron is Town it is most certainly almost always Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Like I’m honestly afraid you all are going to ML Galron, wolves are going to night kill me and Salsa is going to take advantage of you all and win the game. However there is confirmed to be a Doctor in this game cause I’m a Backup of a Doctor and as such there is a really really strong chance that player is town, so that’s basically an IC right there.

So here’s what I purpose we can execute Galron today (as long as they don’t claim Doctor)
I die tonight
Then the Doctor put themselves tomorrow and remember that Porkens is Town and Salsa is almost 100% wolf so I want you guys to vote Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Ok ok cool VOTE: salsa

That works too.

We can do Salsa today and just end this game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Then eliminate me today... Scum will definitely take me in elo with

Professor

, and town will confirm lose.

@Shiidaji

,

@geraintm

.... it’s the most logical conclusion for saving town.... please consider it.

See this has been your defence all day today.
“Oh just execute me” “don’t want to deal with me and Drapion”
Really? But you were fine with the Thunderdome.
Instead of defended yourself and talking with me about your action that I find wolfy you play this card?
Ok.

[ProfessorDrapion]

As I’ve said I think if it is a Traitor it is Gera and Salsa is Group Mafia that was with NJAC.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I can only see Salsa aligned with 2 Players for Traitor actually.

Gera and Shii.
Malcolm is a stretch I feel.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Today's POE: {

Galron/Wayward

,

geraintm

,

Porkens

} in this order.

Wolf (NJAC) was never PoE.
They also tried to tinfoil wrong worlds.

Like Wayward/Crescent and Galron/Me




Damn each time I read Salsa’s iso I always seem to find something else that catches my eye and I dem wolfy.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Then eliminate me today... Scum will definitely take me in elo with

Professor

, and town will confirm lose.

@Shiidaji

,

@geraintm

.... it’s the most logical conclusion for saving town.... please consider it.

See this has been your defence all day today.
“Oh just execute me” “don’t want to deal with me and Drapion”
Really? But you were fine with the Thunderdome.
Instead of defended yourself and talking with me about your action that I find wolfy you play this card?
Ok.

I'm not interested in

talking with you

... Players who play like

literal piece of s***

are harmful for my inner peace... This is the 1st time & will be the last time that I'm playing with you.

That’s pretty rough OML.
Didn’t make you want to feel that way.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know but think about the bigger picture here... We've 2 useless townies, scum(s) already has/have a big upper hand here for that. May be it sounds like I'm talking like this because of frustration but no, it’s not the case for my appeal here.... It’s purely based on logics.

So, I'm again saying to you (&

@Shiidaji

also) that both of you

should really consider this option

.

“2 useless Townies”
I’m assuming I’m 1 of them who’s the other.

If you Say Porkens you are just a Straight up OMGUG, Discrediting and AtEing all at the same time.

[ProfessorDrapion]

And,

Malcolm

is gone MIA, like wtf! Both of the supposed!scums are lurking... lmao!

I don’t think their activity is NAI that is legit personal thing.
So this post is a reach.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Y’know what’s funny and completely wrong.


If it wasn’t because of me pushing Shii to vote NJAC, scum would be alive to day and be in allot better of position.
So get outta here Salsa with you calling me “useless” lmao.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Well what’s wrong was that Salsa called me “useless” when I’ve been pro town this entire game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

In elo: {Scum,

Professor

,

Salsabil

}

2 scenarios:

1.

Professor

votes me, I vote scum & scum votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

2.

Scum votes me, I vote scum &

Professor

votes me.

Result

:

Scum win

Now you deny the Thunderdome?
Lmao.

Cause “Elo” implies Galron is executed and likely ML’ed.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not sure what your pissed off for lmao.

You pissed off you have a wolf read on you? LOL

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think this is rushing it.

+1

We have time.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Again my main suspects are Shii and Salsa, as you know I’m leaning Salsa cause I don’t see anything Townie from them and allot of things I find wolfy.

[ProfessorDrapion]

From reading some of Malcolm’s posts I am starting to lean them town as well.

Which then puts it to Gera, Shii and Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Salsa is Town and Galron gets executed and flips town like I really think they will.


Salsa can come into next day and instead of complaining about the fact that “oh I don’t like Drapion, he’s pushing me and wolf reads me” and “I don’t wanna bother defending myself”

Salsa can instead start pushing Shii, and tell me why it’s Shii and not them. (Or maybe Gera)
But they probably won’t and will probably ignore this entire post even if I die tonight.
So idk how they perceive stuff but I find that more “useless” then whoever the hell they are calling “useless”
Or they are a wolf that doesn’t have the right to complain cause they are a wolf so like yeah

[ProfessorDrapion]

There's a whole world of other scenarios. PR Drapion might get shot by F3 if it ever gets to that point. We have potential PR actions left to work with before then, plus prof can still technically be scum alol

yes to this ^^^^

No to this.
I’m fucking obvious town you baphoons.
Do I have to self vote again?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Clearly you guys don’t wanna win.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Me and Porkens are the only two players pulling their teeth out this game for you all.
(Maybe Shii but as I said they can still easily be a wolf.)

[ProfessorDrapion]

I cannot be a wolf, it’s literally impossible unless you think I’m Neutral.
I’m so fucking unaligned with NJAC it’s not funny.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa you keep complaining I’m going to throw things over and vote you and that your town but you aren’t even providing a counterargument to me and explain to me why the hell your town.


Cause all your posts are either productive NAI work or wolfy to me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa can’t blame me and call me bad and useless when they aren’t doing anything in terms of defence.

Sorry Salsa but I’d expect you know how mafia works.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Salsa is Town and Galron gets executed and flips town like I really think they will.


Salsa can come into next day and instead of complaining about the fact that “oh I don’t like Drapion, he’s pushing me and wolf reads me” and “I don’t wanna bother defending myself”

Salsa can instead start pushing Shii, and tell me why it’s Shii and not them. (Or maybe Gera)
But they probably won’t and will probably ignore this entire post even if I die tonight.
So idk how they perceive stuff but I find that more “useless” then whoever the hell they are calling “useless”
Or they are a wolf that doesn’t have the right to complain cause they are a wolf so like yeah

@Salsa

[ProfessorDrapion]

If your Town, You can either:
A) Defend yourself or at least talk with me today and counterargue or whatever.
Or
B)Push the Wolf (Gera or Shii, probably Shii but maybe Gera)


If your wolf don’t worry about it lol.
You just night kill me tonight after this absolute oblivious town won’t do anything I’m the only one wolf reading you right? Lol.
Go do that Galron ML you wanted to do.
Go into the next day with a smile on your face and get town read that entire time and drown out Porkens next and then while your at it you can vote Porkens and Malcolm since they are both easy obvious towns and the town will still not comprehend it’s you.


Because unfortunately the entire world lives on a day in age where people can’t seem to understand the difference between AI and NAI.
They confuse NAI things with AI things cause it’s “emotional like” or “damn this player provides good content” like that’s NAI people, if they can fucking do it, they can fucking do it as a wolf.
Key Things People.
Key Things is the way to find AI, and I found Porkens and Malcom as Town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thread Presence
Perspectives
Use of Actions

There is more as well but these are 3 of the Key things used to find wolves that actually is AI.

[ProfessorDrapion]

and also to find town like I did with Porkens and Malcolm.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also everyone look at day 1 interactions.

Me and Porkens are spewed town by NJAC.
Plus our Vote on them yesterday.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You know it’s funny cause I push Salsa day 1 and Salsa didn’t act like this
(I also called Salsa and NJAC a team day 1 and Salsa actually made a denial to it and was actually defending it.)

Now look at today after NJAC Lim.
Salsa isn’t doing like they did day 1.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The second one you linked was a town game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean you end gamed in the second last one but interesting to note a difference is you didn’t put either mafia member in your first town reads on your readslist.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But it’s also good to note that you are more then capable to solo mafia win cause you did it before.

[ProfessorDrapion]

That was the only game that I can find that you posted a good chunk and didn’t leave the game or was afk awhile.

[ProfessorDrapion]

So I’d recommend everyone read the link to your second last game you posted.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey Malcolm, can you look at that second last game that Salsa linked and see if you can find differences to this one and explain them to me please.

1 noticeable one is the readslist but that’s all I can see.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa's play seems cagier this turn but that can potentially come from town under a bit of pressure too when they've had an easy ride most of the game. I still don't think Salsa hammers on teammate NJAC D2, nobody was really suspecting Salsa and I don't think they necessarily had to clutch at the town-cred they wanted, but which they were never really going to get from the hammer anyway due to the timing of it. I'm getting an impression of conviction town there who was willing to push for a risky elimination on the belief the claim was false.

I think it was more like they didn’t want anyone to wolf read them period so they voted NJAC cause if they didn’t at least 1 player would wolf read them but when I came into today slamming a hard wolf read on them they had a reaction like “omfg I didn’t want this” kinda feel.


That’s at least the impression I got.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Prof why are you town reading me?

I have serval reasons for it.
Go read my ISO.

You signed up for mafia and you signed up to interact and read the game.
So go read my posts, I’m not going to hand feed you.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I do think you being concern though is yet another reason that makes you Townie.

[ProfessorDrapion]

“Fault”
Girl I haven’t been wrong on any read so far except Wayward but it was for good reason cause they hard town read NJAC and thus I voted them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Can you be town?
Yeah sure you “can”.
But here’s the thing.
You may believe your doing a whole lot and you really haven’t got a whole lot to show for it where as I do.
If your town and want to win I suggest voting in Shii or Gera.
Also, I’ll be sure that if I’m alive I’ll say the exact same thing you are saying when Galron flips Town.
Cause you seem to take me for someone I ain’t.
So I’ll just use something you said against you tomorrow.
Not necessarily pushing you but just using your own words to show you how your wrong.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Not “Wrong” as in inaccurate but the other type of wrong.

[ProfessorDrapion]

FYI when I’m wrong I re-eval to find the right conclusion.
Stop thinking I’m some egotistical shithead alright?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am pretty Righteous though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm not a good player, certainly not a bold one. Scum!me usually take calculative risk & avoid unnecessary attention.

In D2⇨

1.

I wasn’t in the

scumreading zone

for most of the players & 1/2 scumreads don't startle me usually. So scum!me wouldn’t had

the concern

about

the supposed towncred

.

2.

In most case, scum!me will always try to save the partner(s). Here, scum!me had

not one but 2 options

to save my supposed scum partner

NJAC

➤ sit on

geraintm

& hoping for anyone to commit the elimination or NO-ELIMINATION.

If sOmEoNe doesn't know anything about

progression of read

or

how scum manipulates

or

how scum can show

townie concerns

&

so full of themselves

, then how do I & why do I want to engage with them?? I'm not gonna treat sOmEoNe as a

newbie

in a

non-newbie

game!

I do think this is a good defence but this by no means make this straight Townie.
I think it can be a town defence sure.
But I don’t think it’s fakeable but I do like the fact your willing to respond to me and help me see if I’m wrong on you or not.

[ProfessorDrapion]

FYI I was the one who got Shii to push for NJAC.

[ProfessorDrapion]

“Fault”
Girl I haven’t been wrong on any read so far except Wayward but it was for good reason cause they hard town read NJAC and thus I voted them.

Remember the dead players that were night killed (Crescent and Kitty)

Yeah I found and read both as town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

So you can call me egotistic and I’m bad or whatever you say but guess what.

I have evidence to prove I have played the best of any player this game.
Read wise at least.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah I know it comes down to a townie vibe, which at this point isn't a real good reason. That's why I asked.

Who are you scum reading?

I'm pretty sure it's Prof at this point and that he's just white knighting.

Are you a baphoon?
In dead chat you will see I’m town and I’m trying to carry you here.

I do think your town but there is no way I can avoid your execution when you are barley doing anything.

I already told you where the wolves are and if you just want to think it’s me then bye bye, looks like towns going to struggle this game because you can’t see I’m obvious town and you aren’t doing much to save your own self.


VOTE: Galron

[ProfessorDrapion]

Gera/Shii/Salsa is PoE. That’s it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Galron for future reference the best way to see if it’s wolf tmi or genuine town like me is look at my reasonings for town reading you but you haven’t bothered to read anything clearly.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Well if Galron doesn’t want to defend themselves and doesn’t want to read the game and instead call me a wolf cause he can’t read anything, I can’t help him.

[ProfessorDrapion]

As I said he’s gonna flip town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

As I also said.
Malcolm and Porkens are also Town.
PoE is Gera, Shii and Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Look at the large game I was in.
100% right on Rad and Johnny when no one else believed me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Was also right on Bella who was a wolf and the only reason people voted is cause I had a literal red check

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also Johnny was a little sus of me but not as much as Galron is.
But yeah Johnny read stuff and addressed concern about my confident town read on him but he still town read me ish.


Where as Galron stated concern and actually wolf reads me without reading my reasoning.

[ProfessorDrapion]

What makes you think your 100%?
I stated my PoE and the reason I think your more likely is cause I can’t see anything Townie from you.

[ProfessorDrapion]

How dare your read of me slip

[ProfessorDrapion]

Well looks like I was dead wrong at the end.


Who was Doctor?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Um now it makes sense why they called me town.

And Doctor was a clear so lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

XD
Hey you do good too Porkens!
I held on to my townread on you and you gotten more town as the game progressed.

I was a bit shocked to see Galron was the last wolf.
Idk why he made a death play by wolf reading me from “concern”, example is Porkens and Johnny from the large game I had.
Both have shown concern but not to the extent they immediately call me wolf although I thought it was still more likely to come from town since I’m reality the only way Galron could win was try and pocket and sheep me.
But as soon as Salsa claimed Doctor I would instantly back off of it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thank you for playing Mini Normal 2280!

In my opinion, town, in spite of all the mess that happened in Day 1, got its stuff together and eliminated all the mafia one by one. I don't think the mafia played badly either. As a matter of fact, until Day 2, I thought the mafia would be winning this game. But the odds turned with the elimination of NJAC, and by then I already knew that town is very likely to win.

All in all, what makes me the most happy as host is an active game. Thank you for not replacing out and being active throughout the entire game.

Did you enjoy the set-up, the game, my modding, the rules? Constructive criticism is welcome.

Everyone may now post in the thread, even people who did not participate in the game.

It was Fun!

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Salsa
Sorry if I upset you. I just genuinely thought you were wolfy.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah that’s actually good point, good job!


Yeah that’s one good way to find a wolf “perspective difference”
And yeah as a wolf they won’t be too concerned about their night actions cause they aren’t actually looking for “mafia” or “town”

Where as a town uses their night actions and brings them into the next day (in their minds) and uses the knowledge to figure stuff out and what not.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright.
Thanks for playing!
You were great! You town told for me!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Future Reference for NJAC wolf Tell:
Uses the term “newbie” allot more then they should have on day 1.


I ironically finished this game at the same time I finished another and the wolf also used a specific word multiple times oddly.
However that dude was a power player and another power player told everyone to not vote him and to vote me if I try.
And the dude thinks that was fine. :p
Claims it didn’t cost us the game when it kinda did but whatever.

[ProfessorDrapion]

“If you vote vulgard after I die you are literally throwing the game
That’s all
Kill Seth if he tries because at that point he’s going to cost us the game by headhunting strong players like he always does”


Seth is me and Vulgard was the wolf in context and the person saying this is Town and was executed by all town. (Marluxion.) (Pure Wagon)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

Eh don’t worry about it, the game was balanced.

It’s common for players to get bias and say a setup is unbalanced when they get a loss.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Thanks for modding @Greeting. I have no redactions.

I feel this was a bit unbalanced, btw.

Why? It passed review.

I'm not really sure, I think an early Lim on one scum would make things really hard for the remaining scum. I think I have never played 2 vs 9. Considering as an example that newbie games have 2 vs 7 I feel this setup is harder for scum. But I'm not an expert so I don't really know.

I do agree that a traitor or neutral or something should have been added.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Only in the sense of the game can end day 2 by a wolf execution and wolf track.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also Kitty was a good kill cause pretty much got spewed by NJAC.

I do understand where their view on unbalance comes from but it’s not necessarily “unbalanced” but yeah in terms of outcomes, town had the greater outcome of winning, but not by much.