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[catboi]

Vote Count 3.01

I took no holy vow
Won't you hold this pagan soul?

Not Voting (7):

Fredrick A Campbell, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MathBlade, MegAzumarill, Not Known 15, Roden

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is October 16 at 12:30 PM EDT.

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[JohnnyFarrar]

Spoiler:

Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture

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UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

Poor pressure on known town -Roden

Was about to type Ele isn't CL but duh

I think MegAzumarill and Gamma Emerald are just town

You TR Gamma yet still vote for the slot?

Poorer pressure on known town -hut mail

VOTE: Not Known 15

I like this one +Meg

Drap wagon on page 4 makes perfect sense, even without knowing it's correct. +me, +mala +Roden

Drapion looks noncommittal here on read on me but I don't think I'd expect town here to be completely commited.
Still not a fan of it

Soft defense of know scum -meg

Not sure what the issue is with PD's wordings. I think he's just trying to say he town leans Meg (as against town reading). Not sure why but I feel like Gamma's a bit aggressive this game. I want to vote but that would put the slot at E-1.

Harder defense of known scum -hut

That post was written before I saw yours but I don't think it hugely changes things

"This new and pertinent information that renders part of my argument moot changes nothing" is a stubborn tell but I don't like it

Reacts so far posting cuz I almost lost it

[Malakittens]

I’m really not in the mood to prove to you or anyone.

The reason why I backed off Fred was b/c i thought he was a cop D2 mainly because of the way he came out of the gate.

I think we can trust NK + Math so they are prob town, I’m town & it leaves Fred [???] in case Fred was converted N2.

Which leaves scum in {roden, JF & Meg}.

I mean roden could have bussed hardcore drap
Bc tech

[MegAzumarill]

Why do you think NK/Math are trustworthy?

[Malakittens]

I believe I been townreading NK for most of the game?

[Malakittens]

At least we can garuntee that math is a sane result
Fred could have been recruited which is the iffy one

Or can you be recruited that night and be copped which one does it come up as

Hmmmmmm

[MathBlade]

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

From NAR. OP says NAR is used.

If you want to push me scum NK15 has to be scum.
Me town NK15 can be either

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I still think Malakittens is the cult leader. I'll double check the validity of my premises first.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: hutmeil

I wanna say I'm mindmeldimg with

Fred

here but it's hard to tell because they don't say much. Like the vote tho.
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I'm not gonna keep hammering on it but

meg

defends Drap a whole bunch, not a good look
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Mathblade replaces hutmeil. New VC coming shortly.

Oh no did math replace into scum again
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I am so glad to be town for once.

WE'LL SEE
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Elements and NK15 probably contains at least one scum.

This feels fake.

@Math

Do you still think this? Because 1/2 of this is solved
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Well they would be "Known 15" if they had a picture

ooooo
UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

You can have a light TR

This Unvote feels fake.

Everyone knows it’s RVS and people vote for dumb crap.

Then people start to get reasons for reads.

Unvoting for a crap reason feels artificial

Uht oh more pushing the person I know is town -math
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.. I very much don’t like this.

Fear mongering like this tends to stick in people’s minds and is a common trick of scum.

Instead we need positivity.

We have some of the best town hunters in the game.

So I think we can hit scum.

Hell yeah this shit gets me going +Math
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You’re more than welcome to join the Drapion wagon btw.

I don’t SR Drapion but could be wrong.

The wagon seems pretty Townie.

Talking myself into a Math townread here +Math with the caveat that if this is the extent of his support of the drap wagon I could easily see that coming from scum
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192 made me think harder about 185 and...

@Math

are you talking about Lost in 185?
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Ima sleep on this catchup but reads scum motivated to me. I don't like how the preflips were handeled some points feel contrived or easy to make as scum. It's very much an entrance to try to make a motion and I don't think that motion favors town


Would not be surprised one bit if it was Math/NK here

Came to the exact opposite conclusion here. Especially in regards to math's attitude toward the whole "be positive!" posting. That showed a protown mindset without pretext. I expect scum to have either a) Said nothing at all or b) shaded you when saying it. But he was just like nah man, don't worry be happy
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This Math Drap wrasslin match starting around 208 isn't super illuminating. I could see those two specifically hamming it up like that as partners
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hutmeil was the next player in my list of random people to vote after MegAzumarill.

Ugh BORING
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It's a clear case of constantly moving the goalposts to justify his reads and thoughts when challenged. It's a clear sign of not having genuine desire to solve.

He spreads explicitly wrong information and tries to manipulate the information in the game, doubling down by obfuscation when pressed.

I can see how you may not see it now, heck took me a while to realize exactly what was irking me about it. Reread the interaction with that in mind, it's purely a charisma fueled wagon.

Meg

I FEEL the frustration here but like, I don't see where Math's moving goal posts? I'm reading the whole thread like a book and like his progression feels pretty smooth to me.
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I am not going to shot in the dark for a leader. I am going to aim for scum and if they happen to be CL fine.

Why not? Day 1 CL is sooo much better than Day 2 CL.Very likely even an instant win.

@nono

I guess I just don't see the point of this line of thinking? Were you suggesting we leave Drapion for a day or??? This just feels like a nothing conversation

at best

and a light deflect from Drapion at worst.
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Sooo the Steiner mathematics in 278 are meant to say we SHOULD vote Drap? Okayyyyyyy
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brilliant

Lol
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Wasn’t it Math being like “I could see one of Drapion’s voters after Gamma being a wolf”
or am I mistaken?

Then this dude is like “If Meg is town it’s probably Drapion”

Like TF? Like a town doesn’t say it could be so and so voters and then say it’s just them.

I mean I could see Math trying to ML Meg, ML me and then ML Elements or one of my voters that isn’t Gamma.


The dude has a perfect ML setup here.

No that was me

Could do me a favor and consider the world where Gamma gets vig shot right now and flips town. Who's scum then?

Oh this almost certainly isn't scum theatre ..
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[JohnnyFarrar]

Didn't mean to post that

[JohnnyFarrar]

Welp

[MathBlade]

@Johnny I was talking about a previous game with Galron and Drapion but Lost applies as well. Games blur together after a while.

And for your other question, I am not sure but am waiting to see how it plays out.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I still think Malakittens is the cult leader. I'll double check the validity of my premises first.

I am probably not doing this in the next 24 hours as I am a tad-bit busy. We'll see by the time it is tomorrow where I live.

[MegAzumarill]

I think it's more likely that if NK15 is scum they are converted cop/JK over say a CL that recruited cult. I feel like their day 1 into day 2 lines up well with this (unless they have been intentionally playing toward this claim for that long but still feels less likely.)
I'll give a chance for Roden to post in case of a CC but if not I'm under the assumption NK15 rolled PR.

I did double check and we do need to hit CL or we do lose tonight.

[catboi]

Prodding Roden.

[Malakittens]

lovely

so i'm going to be the scum mislim

fuck this shit

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I don't really see much of a viable alternative.

Who would you say is Cult Leader?

[MathBlade]

We have to hit CL if we don’t have a JK that saved a convert. (Which makes NK scum)

I think odds of this are pretty low but I think someone crumbed JK so I want to play this slow to see if that low odds is possible.

If not then me and NK are probably town but I just want to remove that icky feeling

[Malakittens]

I mean I don't really see much of a viable alternative.

Who would you say is Cult Leader?

It's between you/roden/fred

Again:

I thought fred was the cop hence me backing off D2.
I have to reexamine

unless drap really bussed roden I don't think its roden

which leaves me between u/fred

at least in my POV

[MathBlade]

I mean I don't really see much of a viable alternative.

Who would you say is Cult Leader?

It's between you/roden/fred

Again:

I thought fred was the cop hence me backing off D2.
I have to reexamine

unless drap really bussed roden I don't think its roden

which leaves me between u/fred

at least in my POV

This is why I don’t think you’re town. CL is another issue altogether.

If you think NK15 is town then Fred can’t be CL as Fred would be town on N1 which is impossible for CL.

[Malakittens]

i keep forgetting that fred is a clear

so then leaves roden or meg to a lesser extent gamma but doubt that

[Malakittens]

just because my rememberance of fred beign a clear doesn't make me scum

i'm just busy & this isn't the first thing on my mind

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I don't really see much of a viable alternative.

Who would you say is Cult Leader?

It's between you/roden/fred

Again:

I thought fred was the cop hence me backing off D2.
I have to reexamine

unless drap really bussed roden I don't think its roden

which leaves me between u/fred

at least in my POV

If NK15 is real like you said, Fred can't be CL

[MegAzumarill]

Probably should start reading up before I reply

[catboi]

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