Datisi's Café [inspectors pt]

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im a saboteur lets goo!!

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was that private investigator flavor image really chosen prior to rand bc that fits so well with the titus pfp thats insane

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im going to go out of my way not to play specifically around lukewarm this game bc i think he'll expect me to after invictus

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we're in favor of humane working conditions? i think we're actually the good guys here

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if anyone has fakeclaim thoughts lmk bc im bad at that

this seems like its prob a role-heavy game tho so we probably need some in mind

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datisi, for the public announcement thing, im assuming that it will be made obvious that it is a quote from an anonymous player, and not a direct mod message?

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also, will mala's info be redacted on flip?

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in thread i assume there will be a lot of discussion about how best to use the % and i will prob just sheep luke or peta on it bc i have no idea what the best play is and thats what id be doing normally

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its fine just don't overreact to it and nobody will care, probably

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he will def want a response, yea. id just keep it simple and say that you were guessing

main thing is just try not to be too awkward or overexplainy

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if you want a reason you could say that your thought process was that standard would be either 4 or 5, but 4 seemed more likely due to the extra kills

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i think that will result in you dying

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turning off last visited after it's already been called out is uhh a really bad look especially if you don't post

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bc then you have clearly been reading the thread

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it is only a matter of time before somebody notices that and calls it out and you will likely be immediately eliminated lol

post as soon as you can otherwise im going to point it out before someone else does

people are scumreading you because you aren't posting. if you just post and give a brief justification for assuming 4 scum, along with one of your usual catchup quote wall type posts, you'll be fine

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ty for posting

im probably gonna be a little passive for the first couple day phases btw but will turn it on when i need to

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for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

hehe

playing scum is so satisfying for moments like this

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fyi my goal here is to abuse any future VCAers who look back on this (and hopefully titus gets something to work with herself)

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lims for later:

vivax (let town lead this one tho), andres (if early), jjh, RCE, mastina, bluebloodedtoffee, something_smart, roden

the rest will prob depend on who has a strong/confirmable pr

possibly could endgame elim ydrasse, peta, luke if someone has paranoia there and if we feel safe letting them survive that long

i don't think there's a ton of ticking time bombs that will find each other as town here but i don't know everyone here and their relationships with each other that well

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id trust titus' opinion on that, idk

i think if you do trueclaim then you should say that you were planning to stay at 100% until you thought of a use for it

the hard part is idk what a reasonable percentage cost to claim for that would be. maybe like 10%? 20%? hard to know without having seen any town role pms

its possible that the response to a claim would have some meaningful reaction that could help us rolefish, so i think something is probably better than nothing

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nero might be vt for seemingly not knowing that roles have flavored names

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ok hello

peta is a fine kill, think luke would prob be good as well since he's been p quiet and it's hard to predict where exactly he's at. i do think a peta kill points p heavily towards titus but thats prob still better than letting him come in tomorrow saying how you could have bussed there

any thoughts on targets for my role? i think we prob don't have to worry abt a random track atp bc people likely will save that for later

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jjh seemed kinda likely PR

could also just block mastina for lack of any better option

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fireisredsir roleblocks mastina

fine with changing this if anyone has other ideas

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holy shit

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doctor being 30% and traffic analyst being 70% (even with a flipped neighborizer) seems kinda wild to me and probably has some implications about what other roles there are

for those who are smart about that sort of thing

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it is hard for me not to point out to luke how hard he telegraphed that he would lead an elim on vivax and that it was thus ideal to kill peta in a town vivax world bc that would only strengthen luke's resolve and still get us a vivax elim

i don't think it's useful to point that out here tho bc i think i only end up looking like i have a scum mindset lol

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also btw the thing that jjh probably was softing at was that ircher's claim didn't have an increasing cost for each use. so if you do ever fakeclaim make sure you include that

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koba cackling in the mod pt rn over neg utility vigs

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i was in the middle of typing a second post about roden but ended up being p slow on it, probably better to have put it in one post

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also in general feel free to push me as much as you think you should or if it would benefit us, i can always talk my way out of things

last scumgame i went super obvtown early and focused on controlling the game so im trying to take more of a backseat this game and stick in the nullreads for a while and build up later (also am just busier irl, but it works out)

the people who have specific expectations for my play won't be around for that long anyway, probably

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i was thinking that whoever killed nero prob would be a little sus of vivax, but im not sure if anyone matches that description rn

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he did, but that was before the vivax claim

agree they def might shoot vivax tho

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people always townread drunkposting you're doing great lmao

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i think mafiascum is mafia enablers lol

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sry for being gone

game seems stagnant which is good (?) for people looking back bc ppl assume s/t wagons aren't stagnant

will try to play more soon

had to like check 20x to make sure im posting in the right thread my brain is just so shot rn

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ok cool

i was thinking if necessary i could plan to fakeclaim a lowish power role like reporter, not sure if that's a good idea. possible one exists already

mastina is using her cop shot tonight most likely, i could block her?

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jjh also a possible candidate, seems to likely have a role. i don't mind keeping ausuka around, either way is fine. luke didn't seem too concerned about the fact that vivax was probably going to shoot him, so i would guess he isn't a strong PR, but not sure

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furtive is a good potential kill as just a universally townread player, might be a future day tho

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yes true

i don't mind just blatantly shooting dayplay threats to us

as scum i usually am the opposite so it's decent cover

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oops now i have to hit the tryhard button

curse you ydra

im really curious who the second vig is

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thats fun, i like it

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masonizer sometimes dies if they hit a scum with their action, so crumbing does make sense

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maybe we should have known that with a flipped traffic analyst there prob wasn't just another pt cop out there, oh well

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lmaooo

ok ik she doesn't have a guilty bc I blocked

was gonna claim reddit moderator, aka reporter, can check if someone successfully completed an action. i checked mastina both nights, no action completed on both. cost 25% +5% each use. does that seem good?

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need help im bad at fakeclaims LOL

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titussss

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is my claim ok

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I HATE MECH WHY DID I JOIN A MECH GAME LMAOOOO KMS

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your game is lovely datisi don't mind me :>

its me not you

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basically everyone has a role it's a pretty mech game

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teehee minor scumslip where i said scum carry out the "kill" instead of "kills" oops

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i have faith in the mala deepwolf carry

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i wonder if i should have just claimed VT lmao

since i knew she didn't have a result

i think people think she's town now

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ydra isn't a cop, if you had claimed you had no pt then all would have been good

she just played it really well by acting like she was a pt cop to bait the hood claim

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she won't get any more useful results

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you're actually in a good position, bc you voted titus to follow luke rather than for mechanical reasons. i think people will treat you as cleared lhf

i think i might be able to live another day or two after titus but i never get allowed to endgame

you can chilly this, i believe in you

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uncrowned has a pt, noting this so we don't forget

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yea we're def not killing ydrasse, her role isn't a threat anymore

as much as i would like to leave luke alive and try to play around him, he is like super townspewed so it's probably for the best. one issue is it leaves mastina as the main loud voice and he likes arguing with her, but maybe it'll work out

i can't block tn so i think i should just do the kill? mala you're our endgamer and you're prob just a VT so we wanna keep you clean

really wish we had gotten a rolecop off on jjh

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ima be annoyed if people decide to kill me tomorrow bc a 3shot rolecop can't exist alongside a scum roleblocker cause that's too powerful

oh also the 2nd vig most likely can't shoot tonight, if they have the same power requirements as vivax did, unless they banked 100 all three nights

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i don't really want to kill mastina unless people start to think she is for sure town. i think she's limmable up until the point i die

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fireisredsir kills lukewarm

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we're actually not in an awful position depending on who the vig is

if we miselim today and they shoot town, assuming we have 1 kill we're at 9

which is actually super doable

im just gonna try to powerwolf and keep the poe as wide as we can and push town elims through until i inevitably have to die

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im also gonna try my best to channel annoyance at the fact that people are clearing you over nothing in the hopes that assuming i flip first, people will think i was trying to keep you in the poe

we probably want to keep some of your defenders alive

im thinking we probably kill mastina tonight, especially if furtive doesn't die today, since then it looks like it was to save him

kinda wish we hadn't killed ausuka

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im p sure i can live another day or two but probably not forever

i kinda want dann and furtive alive, they're probably the last ones i think i feel i can play around

my andres push should be fine as long as i keep it reasonable and logical, i think he likes logic

ydra is tricksy and im not really sure what will make her townread me :< it's probably vibes but idk what the vibes are. def none of that tone that she hated in invictus tho

pengu and ss are also tough bc ss doesn't really read off dayplay and pengu will be unswayed by vibes or effort (actually no idea what makes him townread people, prob will research that in a bit), but at least neither push very loudly

klick i think i can talk to. same with jjh when he's here. not sure about uncrowned

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the logical conclusion of mastina's thought process on furtive is that her claim is fake

bc if titus rolecopped mastina (v likely) and furtive is slipping the thoughts that titus shared with him from the scum pt, then what mastina is actually saying is that furtive is slipping that her claim is fake

which is interesting bc we know it's not

however, as a townie i am uninformed and therefore think that's what she's hinting at :>

townslipper here

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malaaa

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im the datisi now

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yes jjh, i 100% would have rather claimed VT, and i think it was the much better play

however you have forgotten to account for the fact that i am dumb

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it wasn't really a slip imo, its more the not posting anything

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well

this will be interesting

i did not want mala to die today bc i wanted to get a roleblock off on klick, but oh well

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kill mastina

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wtf who is scumsiding with their vig shots

is there a sk

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very much considering if i should just guess that someone took an action and go all in on trying to get luck cleared on that lol

it's probably the only way out of this

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time to hunt for who is making these shots

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there's no way though

i have to either guess right every night or clear someone

why did i claim this, i was supposed to die sooner

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ig i should have pushed harder for a town elim yesterday my bad lol

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ok so

jjh - softclaimed hasn't acted but has a role

klick - acted n2/n3/n4, not our vig/sk

furtive - softclaimed something insignificant. had a kind of strong townread on nero d1. likely wouldn't vig, could sk

uncrowned - acting like a pr, told ydra to use power on him. ydra didn't town him after that tho so maybe just a neighbor (he did soft neighbor kinda)? the only one who would potentially have motive to shoot ydra. also the only one who had anything close to a scumread on nero d1

dann - his poe is a little strangely small here. feels like a possible candidate for pr or sk. wouldn't have shot ydra as vig

andres - townread nero d1. doesn't feel that much like a pr

s_s - i have a feeling he has a role. checked with the mod to ask if there was a VT, but also like, why would you tell people that as a PR?? he probably acted minimally if he is, though

penguin - also kinda feel like he has a role, probably in the 10-40% range but could be wrong on that. i can't see him shooting ydra as a vig though

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uncrowned seems like the only one who could have plausibly shot ydra. he seems like a neighbor but ydra never confirmed that, and suspected him the next day

someone else could just randomly be sk and shot ydra since she's basically conftown but that's hard to tell

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im also not really sure how much sk makes sense in this setup? and i kinda thought datisi didn't like them

the way that the 2nd vig has acted does match up with what expected productivity costs would be if they were the same as vivax

there is that bit about non-town in the setup post hmm, and it doesn't specify town win con in the same way that ktane did

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15% for a tracker? seriously lmao

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imagine if i had been checking the thread and quick hammered penguin, that would have been hilarious

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gg lmao

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if only i had chosen chat mafia player, that would have worked out so conveniently with penguins flavor

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god if this actually works

uncrowned please have acted

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it could be SS tbh

the asking if there's a vt thing is really weird from him

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WHO IS SHOOTING PEOPLE

IS IT YOU DANN

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the gamble paid off at least, this is potentially winnable somehow

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it has to be ss jj or dann

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tonight i kill pengu and claim blocked i think? then uncrowned next night?

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if it's dann then he's sk not vig

ss maybe could.be a vig but i really doubt it, he's all about mechanically optimal play and that is not it

same for jj

so like it basically has to be an sk, wild

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oh shit this was the ktane scum win con

~ you win when all DATS Inc. employees are dead and at least one GB Inc. infiltrator is alive, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

this is the one from this game

you win once all threats to the inspectors have been fired, or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and at least one member of the inspectors is still in the game.

fuck that actually kinda makes it obvious, should have realized this sooner

my gut says it's dann but we'll see

i hope he doesn't think im town and shoot me lmao, my role is a threat to him depending on what he claims. ill just provide a pool that doesn't include him and then if he kills and it doesn't match his claim i say that i lied about my pool maybe?

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ss reaction to all the deaths n1 feels uninformed

jj soft feels weird for someone who has acted multiple nights

dann just has the vibes. we might have even double tapped on luke

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he's shooting obvtown rather than threats, mostly. so he might shoot uncrowned tonight

this game just got a lot more interesting

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whatcha gonna claim danny

there's a lot of ways this could play out. possible that he holsters actually and lets himself get checked by me, that would be interesting, but i think he needs to get a kill off since he's in the poe

most likely situation is he just kills me if im set up to check him, so i want to avoid that

he miiight kill me anyway but maybe i can play up thinking that he's town? idk

v interesting

much to think about

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am i wrong

could it be anyone else

is klick multitasking sk?? hmm

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if im gonna cc tomorrow i need to be confident in who it is

the vt claim makes me think he's either killing me or holstering, if it is him

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ok i didn't really want them to figure out about the sk yet hmm

this might change how they act tonight

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i think i probably die tonight tbh

idk why sk would not just shoot me

they should assume that scum shoots pengu and if it's dann then maybe he wants to keep uncrowned alive as his pocket

shooting scum is probably losing tho bc then it's obv there's an sk? and its 6 vs 3 conftowns... sounds p difficult

idk how these things works tbh im just guessing here

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ok let's think possible paths

path 1:

i shoot pengu, he shoots uncrowned
we're at 6. people probably figure out there's an sk. i have no idea what the correct mechanical play for town is here

option 1, i claim a guilty on dann. we lim him probably, i shoot klick? wtf. and then we're down to 4p with me, jjh, furtive, andres. why the fuck am i still alive. do we no lim? probably. that's another night i have to claim a result. what the fuck. there's no way i win this

option 2, i claim blocked ??? and just hope to talk my way out of things? might be the only option honestly.

path 2:

we double tap penguin tonight
7 alive, sk isn't confirmed, i have to fake a clear on someone. 3 conftown alive. we lim in a poe of 2 probably.

option 1, i clear dann. he knows im scum. then... ???

option 2, i guess a guilty on dann. we lim there. 5p with 2 conftown alive, 2 poe town. why am i alive? again, same issue. i have to survive 2 extra nights where i should have died. i don't really think that's believable

option 3, i claim blocked. 3 conftown, 1 sk, me, and 2 poe town. we probably want to lim sk, shoot a conftown, then 2 conftown vs ms vs 2 poe town. again blocked. tough but winnable. if we limmed town instead... sk probably shoots me.

path 3

i shoot pengu, he shoots me

gg lol

he is in 6p with 3 conftown and he's in the poe. seems super unlikely he wins that. the issue though is that if he thinks im town then he doesn't realize that this is a losing play?

he would think he's in 6p with 3 conftown and 1 scum, meaning if they can manage to elim the 1 town the scum and him can shoot 2 conftown leaving them in a 3p with conftown vs sk vs scum, which is winnable.

or if they elim scum then he's in 4p with conftown vs conftown vs poe town vs sk, which is also winnable

so i think this is the path he takes and so i think i die, and it's probably a town win. idk if i could have done anything differently to prevent that. but maybe he'll go for something else

path 4

i shoot him, he shoots me

LOL

path 5

i shoot him, he shoots uncrowned

6p. penguin clears one of the poe. i claim i checked dann and saw an action. we're at 3 conftown + penguin vs me vs 1 poe town. there's no way out of this one i think. id have to lim the poe town and then shoot a conftown and then just try to 1v1 penguin which i never win

path 6

i shoot him, he shoots penguin

6p. i claim on him. 3 conftown vs me and 2 poe town. winnable. but it's super unlikely we reach this path, it's a huge gamble to bet that he shoots penguin, i don't think he most likely would??

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so i think i probably shoot penguin and claim blocked

and just hope that sk doesn't shoot me

this is probably not winnable but hey we'll give it a try

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one benefit of claiming blocked is it possibly throws klick's conftown status into question? so in order of conftown rn we're at uncrowned > andres > klick

the main downside of it is that it's like, kinda convenient? but i think it's worth it anyway

shoutout to whoever pointed out that technically scum could have the multitasking modifier

god i hate mech

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kill penguin

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ok so maybe this was dumb but i kinda wanted dann to suspect me because i think it makes him less likely to shoot me if he thinks i might be scum

it was probably incredibly dumb but i already made one dumb play that worked out so

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it probably means i struggle to survive tomorrow especially after claiming blocked, but oh well

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jjh telling me that i should check dann is pretty grim tho