Mafia PT - PYP!

[Dannflor]

hi all! what are your experiences with playing mafia?

also any preference for our power here? I lean towards multitasking but I don't really have any solid reasoning for that

[Dannflor]

Yume
Enchant
Roden
Charloux
SCRRRDBEAR
Not_Mafia
JohnnyFarrar
KittyTacky
PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald
JunkoChan
Dannflor
Not Known 15
Porkens

also anyone have particular experience with anyone on the playerlist? anyone ur afraid of or think you can pocket? this looks very winnable tbh if we coordinate well

[Dannflor]

bye charloux

[Dannflor]

hi!!

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good to see you back

my initial reaction was to lean towards multitasking because it seemed to help avoid situations where we are just screwed mechanically

what you're saying makes sense though and it's probably higher ev to take informed if we're able to take good advantage of it

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is there any strategy to number picking for the draft that we should stick to

my mechanical prowess needs improvement

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I sort of wonder if any of us fit the personality profile of someone who would want to pick 1 as town, I think I probably wouldn't

That might not actually matter though

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the value of fake claiming might be in either outing other roles or being able to say "I would never pick THIS role as scum"

the former doesn't really require that we are informed though

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there's the very funny scenario where we all just pick 1

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I like that

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I mean I think that explanation is a good one regardless of how the day phase goes - you just have to be ok with the likely scrutiny

I'm leaning towards a middling number maybe 2 or 5

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play wise my focus will likely be on building very natural interactions with both of you

I think we should expect one or two of us to be going down before end game

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I'm excited for this game!

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Submit: 2

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this is both a reminder to myself and i guess a notice that i'm going to try to deliberately play in as much of an "openwolf" manner as i can, e.g. instead of just hanging back and trying to look towny i think that i will try to actively push elims on town targets we want to get rid of

I have found this tends to be more successful in actually pushing games over the finish line

The former is decent for surviving but if the town is proactive at all you eventually find yourself with no where to go. I think actively disrupting town is usually more effective

That being said my scum game is inconsistent and “open wolfing” is definitely the more risky play

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regardless

Both of you please feel free to just dump thoughts or draft posts in here

Day talk is super powerful and I want to take advantage of it as much as possible

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Technically I’m in the top 7 :/

Maybe you should actually just pick bulletproof? I guess it doesn’t matter too much what you pick

I don’t think the five 1 block is too much of a problem, it actually helps in diverting attention you otherwise would’ve gotten away from you

Kitty, you have any thoughts on what you want to pick? It should probably be the role we most want to get / would be most valuable. There’s a good chance I don’t get anything

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Neighborizer sounds fun to go for

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i think kitty should probably go for one of the roleblocking roles, either jailkeeper or roleblocker

I agree, either denies a pretty powerful role to town as well

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PenguinPower is a slot I would be looking to pocket personally

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SCRRRDBEAR is pretty good and he plays pretty aggressive in his pushes, but they aren't defusable so don't be thrown on the backfoot if he starts pushing you. he has an ALL CAPS posting style that can be a little intimidating

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I am drawn to it because I do think it plays to my abilities and gives me good cover, plus I think I'm more likely to get it given my pick order

but I hadn't considered how valuable the information would be in terms of narrowing down who has a power role. in that case, what would help us most to be able to find and kill quickly? I maybe should just take the other pair of roleblocker or jailkeeper - whichever Kitty doesn't take

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kitty I think you should just take whichever you like best, I'll snag the other

[Dannflor]

alright

Dannflor picks Roleblocker

[Dannflor]

hi all I'm a goon

[Dannflor]

about what I expected

pretty nice we got the JK at least

means we don't have to worry about a tracker

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maybe town will WIFOM themselves into thinking mafia picking the same number is a dangerous possibility

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town reading nsg for mindmeld

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if you want to you can ask me about my progression from #143 to #145

only if it feels natural to you

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I'll downplay it

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I won't

just a weak vote for a little while I'll move on soon

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Downplaying yeah

lol

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oops I got busy

I'll back tomorrow

eyeball on the gamestate though it seems generally fine for us

we might want to start putting a heavier thumb on the scale soon though, figure out where we want the day ending

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mkay I'm back now and catching up

my initial instincts are to push outside of gamma

I think even if we get that flip we're left in a bad state tomorrow, best to disrupt the game and get another flip

I'm probably going to be casing Johnny unless you think that's an especially bad idea or that there is a better place to push today

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I'm not super scared of the votes right now

none of them are particularly strong

the gamestate is kinda apathetic right now and we can change it fairly easily just be being enthusiastic I think

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maybe Junko is correct here

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game state is pretty good for us

there is no town block really

nsg it would be nice if we could talk in thread a bit before day end but it's not necessary

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mkay, kill suggestions for tonight?

I think BEAR might be the play but I'm open to other suggestions

regardless of kill, it might be worthwhile to bus nsg's slot tomorrow, maybe not right off the bat but it should be an option

depends on whether she comes back and what the replacement situation looks like

I think Kitty and I are safely out of the pool of suspicion for tomorrow though

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BEAR probably isn't gonna get pushed, probably has a role, disrupts what sliver of town unity there might be and lets me step into the town leader role a bit more

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what PR do we think Roden is? it seemed like he was crumbing something

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hm what's the chance that roden is the 2-shot pgo

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I guess town probably always takes the vig

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Dannflor kills SCRRRDBEAR

for now

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I think I will come under fire tomorrow, I'm not that good at defending as scum so don't fan the flames or I will probably die.

I'm good at defending as town but as scum I am lackluster.

I think nsg!slot is more likely to come under fire

I think you should be prepared to push there

we have some good miselimination options in gamma or junko too though

maybe even roden if I play well

[Dannflor]

hi welcome back

[Dannflor]

you started coming under fire EoD for being absent but we got the kill through onto NK15

you may face some pressure start of day, but I don't think it's particularly strong

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hi Star Power! How are you doing

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I'd love to help you get caught up! I think this is a lobby where anyone is the potential candidate for an elimination. So don't get discouraged by the fact that you have a wagon on you.

I'll be a little busy until tonight but if you want any resources to help catch up or help drafting posts I am happy to oblige.

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I'd love to do some real timing with you Star next time you are on

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Hey Star Power, idk how possible it is to rescue you at this point in the day. It's getting close to deadline and momentum is against you

however, I think if we play it right here, you dying here could end up winning us the game

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I think your town read on me is fine, but you should lean it to it even harder.

like make a couple more posts about how I'm town, but don't town read me for "good reasons." town read me for like, mind melds, or having similar reads or something. give me a bad strong town read. I want it to look like you're TMIing me as town and/or trying to pocket me

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If you give long hedgy reads on Johnny and/or Gamma slots that would be great for future miseliminations too

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I mean in general just do what your gut tells you if you come back to post, you don't have to listen to me

I'm just thinking what would be most helpful for me or Kitty to endgame from here

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I'm willing to help write posts too if you're struggling at all

I believe in you

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Uh I think killing Rosen is better here given he is a cop

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We could honestly jailkeep Porkens for the WIFOM

but Porkens is still a viable miselim so I don’t think killing him is right

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Maybe Johnny or Penguin would be good jail targets? They are likely to have a role. Johnny gives you some plausible deniability that you might be trying to catch scum if we have to claim tomorrow

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Yeah I think maybe jail Johnny
Let Porkens kill Yume

Tomorrow if forced to claim you can say you suspected Johnny most of being scum out of the people who are likely to have a role

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Kitty jails Johnny

for now

Penguin is a fine target too since he’s innocent

I’ll leave it up to you

[Dannflor]

don't sweat it Kitty

honestly it looks uninformed that you did that, just own that you were wrong and suspicion will slide off of you

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u could hammer NM

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ur in a bit of a tough spot

if we kill Penguin, it'll force a 1v1 between you and johnny

if we kill johnny, people will wonder why you didn't die

or we could kill someone like porkens for maximum wifom

I may have to bus you tomorrow

what do you feel is best

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I think maybe you should kill Johnny since we're multi-tasking

Johnny was targeting me last night and could block the kill

you are unlikely to get blocked I think

so

Kitty kills Johnny

Kitty jails PenguinPower

something like that?

[Dannflor]

I think the main question is just gonna be why didn't you die

you're gonna have to play up the narrative of being miselim bait and scum wanting to keep you alive

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also I think you'll have to initiative a push on NM or someone

I kinda have to lie low after getting the Junko miselim

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I think you should come out with a reads list

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you can just put me as towny for reasons like:

you thought my push on junko was towny and you found your reads were lining up with mine at the same time

enchant is a good slot to put at null. if you can hedge on the slot a bit that will help make you look partnered with each other in case you end up going down.

NM is your best bet to push here, and you should push him hard. I would suggest a ton of overconfidence. Call him obvious scum a bunch. it will either get him killed, or at the very least make it look like you were trying to bus him

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idk I mean do what your heart tells you those are just my suggestions that'll probably help you look good and me look good in case you flip

A reads list is a good idea though

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Enchant
Not_Mafia
KittyTacky
PenguinPower
kitten around
Dannflor
Porkens

this is who is left alive.

if we can kill not mafia today instead of you, then we can night kill Penguin Power

that probably means you die the next day

leaving me in an F3 with two of Porkens/kitten/Enchant

if you want to live to end game I think you have to build a strong push/case on one of those three

I don't think I can do it after yesterday

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Yeowch I was planning on swapping back to NM pretty soon

I’m sorry Kitty

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this game is hard

I think I need to eliminate enchant tomorrow

Kitty did a great job setting him up as a potential partner

which means I'll be heading into a F3 with two of Porkens/Kitten/Not_Mafia

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this is gonna be really hard though

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Dannflor kills Penguin

what's ironic is that every single night killed townie has town read me

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but I think NOT killing Penguin here is throwing

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I don't know if just effort posting is going to work in this lobby

porkens and NM certainly won't be impressed

honestly my best bet for tomorrow is try my absolute best to make townie posts but mostly lurk and hope town starts to grow some natural paranoia of each other on their own

and just pray to all that is holy that no one puts me to el-1

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well that day went pretty much exactly how I wanted it to

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i think it's kitten/NM for my f3

I am more confident in being able to convince kitten than anyone else here

I also think it just makes sense to kill Porkens because he is the most town read slot left

if me and NM cross vote I think I win this

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I guess it's debatable whether Porkens or Kitten is more town read, but with kitten pushing that miselim and me strongly town reading Porkens the last two day phases, I don't think anyone will bat an eye at that

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I think there's some fear that if I bring in kitten it will be seen as me wanting to manipulate her specifically

but I think that's outweighed by the fact that it's probably just my best bet to win

the WIFOM isn't that strong here

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Dannflor kills Porkens

I'm okay with fast night

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no redactions from me