Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Game Over !

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hello haven’t read anything yet. Anyone want to catch me up to speed?

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Thanks for your help. Yume, since my predecessor is currently voting you and nothing in your ISO stood out to me as particularly townie, can you give me some reads?

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Can people explain the Star wagon to me? I’m getting town vibes off of both slots.

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Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

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Thanks for your help. Yume, since my predecessor is currently voting you and nothing in your ISO stood out to me as particularly townie, can you give me some reads?

Well, sure. *clears throat* In a land far, far away, a farm boy fell in love with a goldfish that lived in the pond next to his house. This goldfish had a secret of her own, however. At night, she could turn into a human, but at noon, she would turn back into a goldfish. So the two spent the time they could spend together in each other's company. But then a sorceress came and told them she would lift the curse, but in exchange, they would have to give their third-born to her. Well, they fulfilled their end of the bargain, and she promptly cooked and ate the child while they watched.

I don’t know if you’re scum or just trying to get yourself elimmed but if you’re going to play like that, I’m fine keeping my vote on you.

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Can people explain the Star wagon to me? I’m getting town vibes off of both slots.

mostly nsg has a history of flaking as scum

well she flakes as both alignments but more frequently as scum

and I'm especially unenthused by her coming back and then not actually coming back

Fair but her scumgames seemed to be more self-focused than other focused. She looked solvey and rep in seemed really enthusiastic. Scum replace ins tend to usually be deflated. I obviously could be wrong but I feel pretty good with my vote because Yume isn’t doing anything, so I’m good staying on that.

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Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

actually, can you explain why OUT OF ALL OF THOSE NAMES you particularly picked jhonny?

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

Sure because I briefly skimmed some players and Johhny was one of them and nothing about his ISO particularily pinged me, so I wanted to know why you sr that slot.

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I would also like to know why Yume is in green since she’s hasn’t really done much.

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Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

So this readslist is no longer accurate?

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Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

actually, can you explain why OUT OF ALL OF THOSE NAMES you particularly picked jhonny?

Can you explain why Johnny is so low on this list?

Sure because I briefly skimmed some players and Johhny was one of them and nothing about his ISO particularily pinged me, so I wanted to know why you sr that slot.

So You are not Even slightly curious about jhonny's possible scumslip this day? Since You read his iso

I just barely skimmed which is why I asked. Where did he possibly scumslip?

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I wasn’t thrilled with his kitty vote. Kitty can be pretty pockety but Gamma is far more likely to be pushed than pocketed.

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I do like your Kitty Roden reads however.

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Read 1180 onward

Can you point out the specific line or post?

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You opened today super bad. If it makes you feel any better you moved up a lil, maybe more if you ever reveal who you investigated

Scum slip?

Scum slip?

@1275

Junko, was it this?

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VOTE: NK15

And this was Yume's game-advancing content for today.

VOTE: NSG

Yet another reason I like my current vote. I also really like kitty mindmelding with me.

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kitten around replaces Gamma Emerald

Welcome fellow cat.

Kittens ruie.

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the draft phase is over.

the order of the draft is as follows:

the mafia have selected the

multitasking

modifier - this means a mafia player may use the factional nightkill and a role ability on the same night.

the role bidding phase begins now. for your convenience, i have also included the possible role choices below:

Spoiler:

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur
jailkeeper	or	tracker

please pm me

the specific role

you wish to be. you have about 48 hours to do so.

This is really interesting. What do you all make of five people picking number 1 here?

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UNVOTE:

I've changed my mind about Porkens.

Why?

I actually did a little while ago but wanted to see what Star would say before I made that public. I think Star and Kitty have scummy associatives and Porkens doesn't really fit in a team there. Some stuff Porkens said recently resonated with me and made a few thoughts in my head click.

I also have a couple angle shooty thoughts buzzing in my head that I don't think I can or should say. One of them is that I think I know who Star is, who I won't alt out, but if I'm right I'm pretty sure they're in their damage control meta.

Csn you elaborate on this more?

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VOTE: NK15
Whatever. Let’s just him and me out back-to-back, give Penguin what he wants so fucking badly
Enjoy having 4 dead town by Day 3

I’m going to say that anyone with meta on Gemma should be tr my slot based of this post alone.

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uh I strongly disagree with that statement

This is obvious town!Gamma here. Scum!Gamma wouldn’t go to bat for NK15 here when he’s such an easy miselim.

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I’m also vibing with him on at least two reads: Yume and Enchant. Anyway Dann, if you can’t tell this is obtown!Gamma here, then I’d really like to know what games you could even possibly be referring to because his entire iso looks like no Gamma scumgame I’ve ever seen and I’ve read plenty of his games.

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star power has done nothing redeeming so yeah...let's just yeet and move on

On reread I’m less confident on on my read of them but think town!Yume would actually be doing something by d2. Doing nothing on d1 is nia for her but she usually picks it up as town by d2 I think.

I’m going to trust Roden on Star because I have no idea who they are but still definitely prefer Yume.

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yume is the vig shot for tonight

Good choice

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Kitten around why are you ignoring me?

How am I ignoring you?

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It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

Top is lock town
Slimy green is slightly icky feelings
Orange is memes
Yellow is *special*
And red is scum in sat least one universe.

If you’re referring to this? Then my response to you is that I have a very shiny fluffy fur coat, so obviously not slimy.
Btw, who’s Freddy?

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Also OMGUS much?

I cannot even tell if you scum read me

Me either! Might be a good vig shot…

I don’t think Dann is scum here. I think if Yume isn’t the lim, she’s the best option for vig,

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Kitten around why are you ignoring me?

How am I ignoring you?

You haven’t spoken to me or mentioned me or touched on any in-game situation that involves me, despite the fact that my hammer, claim, and persecution have been main threads today. Why not?

I have yet to fully read the game, I only replaced in yesterday, remember?

If you want me to comment on anything specific, ask me.

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It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I don’t understand this readslist. How do you have Dann and Penguin as both townreads and scumreads?

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It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I don’t understand this readslist. How do you have Dann and Penguin as both townreads and scumreads?

kitty go twith the program, we already said this like 4 times

I don’t know what you’re referring to and I’d really appreciate you not talking down to me, thanks.

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Porkens

, agree to shoot yume

Everyone else

, vote star or tell me why you won't

Porkens, do you plan to vig Yume?

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It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I don’t understand this readslist. How do you have Dann and Penguin as both townreads and scumreads?

kitty go twith the program, we already said this like 4 times

I don’t know what you’re referring to and I’d really appreciate you not talking down to me, thanks.

I'm sorry I didn't know you don't care enough to read the thread kitty

If you’re going to continue to be rude to me for literally no reason, I will just ignore you. There is no justification for you treating me like this.

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Kind of an awful time to have cold feet on Star tbh

Roden can you explain your Star meta read to me?

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kitten around replaces Gamma Emerald

Welcome fellow cat.

I missed this, hi.

I think Kitty is pretty townie, His reads look pretty nuanced to me.

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386 COULD BE SCUMMY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO READ JOHNNY? I'M DOWN TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JOHNNY AND JUNKO AFTER GAMMA GETS FLIPPED.

any particular reason for gamma over junko today? you were saying a lot early in the game and i kinda expected that energy to continue but i feel like you've been a lot quieter, have you caught up fully or mostly just been skimming?

This is literally nsg’s last post on this site.

On Oct. 30, so their replace out doesn’t look ai.

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Junko is right that I do need to read the game because rn, my only confident scumread is Yume. Nsg/Star could be anything.

@Roden, if you don’t want to out alts, can you explain the damage control thing? I’m not opposed to switching my vote but it would be nice to feel more confident in it.

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Junko is right that I do need to read the game because rn, my only confident scumread is Yume. Nsg/Star could be anything.

@Roden, if you don’t want to out alts, can you explain the damage control thing? I’m not opposed to switching my vote but it would be nice to feel more confident in it.

Which is a pretty weak read all things considered, I don't expect anything from You tbh, but posting what was literally said 4 times recently makes me think you are just beating around the bushes

If you didn't know i actually scumread your slot earlier in the Game and you are not making it look better now.

Then you’re very bad at reading both Gamma and me and if you really want me to know specifically what you’re talking about, you could just directly state it. Your bad read on my slot is completely irrelevant to me. It’s not a weak read, this is extremely likely to be Yume’s scum meta.

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How much trouble would I be in if I shot kitten around instead of yume?

VOTE: Porkens

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Junko is right that I do need to read the game because rn, my only confident scumread is Yume. Nsg/Star could be anything.

@Roden, if you don’t want to out alts, can you explain the damage control thing? I’m not opposed to switching my vote but it would be nice to feel more confident in it.

Which is a pretty weak read all things considered, I don't expect anything from You tbh, but posting what was literally said 4 times recently makes me think you are just beating around the bushes

If you didn't know i actually scumread your slot earlier in the Game and you are not making it look better now.

Then you’re very bad at reading both Gamma and me and if you really want me to know specifically what you’re talking about, you could just directly state it. Your bad read on my slot is completely irrelevant to me. It’s not a weak read, this is extremely likely to be Yume’s scum meta.

oh man you are so full of yourself and you are like a mega gamma simp I see

nvm I changed my mind, you can ignore me

You’re seriously joking with this, I hope? I also hate that word, “simp”.

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Also OMGUS much?

I cannot even tell if you scum read me

Me either! Might be a good vig shot…

What about a Johnny/Kitty scumteam?

How much trouble would I be in if I shot kitten around instead of yume?

Porkens trying to find a way to avoid shooting obvscum!Yume. Anyone but the optimal slot

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FUCK THE HAMMER THE HAMMER IS NULL I HAVE ANSWERED ALL WUESTIONS THAT EVEN TEMOTELY MATTER IM DO E WITH THIS GOOD NIGHT

This doesn't at all read like town flailing imo. Overall the response to pressure by Porkens was atrocious and clearly forced so ima park my vote there.

You just wrong and your read is bad. Learn from this.

Ok I’m done.

I’m a vigilante. If you decide to eliminate me, that’s fine. This town deserves to lose like no town I’ve seen before. I’d like to use my shot though so I will allow the town to leash me tonight if desired.

Trying to find alternatives to shooting Yume isn’t leashing.

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Porkens

, agree to shoot yume

Everyone else

, vote star or tell me why you won't

Star seemed very solvy from their posts. I think people have lingering feelings from NSG's slot but are we sure that NSG wasn't just busy or lost interest in the game?

She hasn’t posted anywhere on MS since October 30.

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Also OMGUS much?

I cannot even tell if you scum read me

Me either! Might be a good vig shot…

I don’t think Dann is scum here. I think if Yume isn’t the lim, she’s the best option for vig,

VOTE: Yume

Lim me already.

This isn’t how town!Yume would react to this at all.

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Just not feeling it like at all, yeet Porkens.

It really weirds me out how he seems tp be pretty much doing backflips to save Yume.

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So make some reads and prove me wrong?

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Yume, just do something if you’re town. If you actually try, that will go a long way.

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What if I said you're my scumread? Will you be angry? Cause I keep thinking that your predecessor got way too angry over a single vote from a player he knows is kinda stupid, and it doesn't feel real to me.

No, that would be wrong though but maybe I’m wrong about you then. Yeah, I can’t say I understand why Gamma so overreacted to that. You were only the second vote on him.

Anyway still good with my current vote because Porkens being so all over the place with reads is kind of freaking me out.

I think maybe Yume could be town now and no I’m not angry. I only get angry when people are rude to me for pretty much no reason. We’re good.

I am truly sorry Gamma treated you that way, you absolutely didn’t deserve that at all.

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We need two more for star power. If porkens is so keen to save Yume we've got 2 amazing suspects tomorrow.

We don't have the activity or the votes to get pedantic here.

I liked Yume’s response but perhaps I was too quick on rethinking that read, I dunno. Who are the other two? I’m assuming one is Kitty but I don’t understand that read?

Porkens was eager to save Yume before she gave a single read but I suppose I could be wrong on that. Town!Yume really doesn’t care about making anyone angry at them. She speaks her mind and is fine telling off whomever she sees fit, so maybe I got pocketed by that?

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I do tend to be a sucker for people being nice to me and telling me what I want to hear but yeah, I think she was trying to pocket me with that. I however do stand by that she did not deserve my predecessor’s treatment of her.

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VOTE: Star Power

I hope this is right.

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Also unrelated but I highly recommend that the draft claims happen tomorrow, starting from the bottom of the draft picks and going up the list.

Yume neighbourized me last night but never posted anything in the pt.

[kitten around]

the draft phase is over.

the order of the draft is as follows:

the mafia have selected the

multitasking

modifier - this means a mafia player may use the factional nightkill and a role ability on the same night.

the role bidding phase begins now. for your convenience, i have also included the possible role choices below:

Spoiler:

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur
jailkeeper	or	tracker

please pm me

the specific role

you wish to be. you have about 48 hours to do so.

So he wanted us to do this, bittom to top, I guess?

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Either way i start


I picked Vanilla Townie. I received what i wish.

Next?

I don’t know why anyone would want to be vt in this setup?

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But yume was lockscum to you

She chose to neighbourize me. Wtf?

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But yume was lockscum to you

She chose to neighbourize me. Wtf?

And I was having doubts on her being scum yesterday, so that’s not even accurate.

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VT who (or rather Gamma) picked roleblocker

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So NSG was trying to shift attention to my wagon or gamma emerald for that matter

any particular reason for gamma over junko today?

?

Dann, I do not understand what your issue with 1643 is or how 546 somehow invalidates it?

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because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

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There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

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There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

Because it makes no sense to me how you get from 1637 to this.

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There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

why? it's possible

dann implication is simpler, but your slot could also be scum

NSG said why gamm over junko today? as dann pointed out

implying that she might not be confortable with that slot dying

you failed to see this, I'd gladly vote your slot before Dann

plus like I said, NSG pushing so hard for my head basicly townlocks me

No one but Penguin is townlocked to me.

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There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

why? it's possible

dann implication is simpler, but your slot could also be scum

NSG said why gamm over junko today? as dann pointed out

implying that she might not be confortable with that slot dying

you failed to see this, I'd gladly vote your slot before Dann

plus like I said, NSG pushing so hard for my head basicly townlocks me

And I’d also vote you over Dann because I ain’t buying that sudden pivot. Had you not posted 1637 just before that, it would be different.

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vote count 1.06

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-11-05 01:52:00).

yeet

Dannflor [4]:

Roden

, JohnnyFarrar,

PenguinPower

, KittyTacky

Gamma Emerald [3]:

SCRRRDBEAR

,

Yume

,

Not Known 15

Junkochan [3]:

Enchant, Gamma Emerald,

northsidegal

Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia, Porkens

Porkens [1]:

JunkoChan

KittyTacky [1]:

Dannflor

also take a look at this, gamma emerald wagon was pure, while the wagon on me was not

Are you seriously going to argue that scum never distances? You aren’t going to convince me I’m scum here.

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There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

why? it's possible

dann implication is simpler, but your slot could also be scum

NSG said why gamm over junko today? as dann pointed out

implying that she might not be confortable with that slot dying

you failed to see this, I'd gladly vote your slot before Dann

plus like I said, NSG pushing so hard for my head basicly townlocks me

And I’d also vote you over Dann because I ain’t buying that sudden pivot. Had you not posted 1637 just before that, it would be different.

well you are getting sus at me over a logical observation, odds are not 0 that you are scum

and you seemed pretty confy about scumreading Dann until I pointed that out

pedit I don't have to convince you of being scum lol, you are not making sense anymore

When did I call Dann scum? All I said was I didn’t understand what his issue was with your post but again, it’s your sudden pivot that I take issue with.

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and you are getting overly defensive about an observation, my dear fellow

There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

See I dislike this post because there’s no reason why your putting me and Dann together. I could see it if Dann is town here, you possibly chaining miselims. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but why did you specifically pair me and Dann together?

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because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

it's the tone of this post

Are you trolling with this?

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defensiveness isn't alignment indicative for kitten

What’s your current read on me Dann? Am I still part of your hero solve?

[kitten around]

and you are getting overly defensive about an observation, my dear fellow

There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

See I dislike this post because there’s no reason why your putting me and Dann together. I could see it if Dann is town here, you possibly chaining miselims. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but why did you specifically pair me and Dann together?

are you even reading?

No, I’m stupid remember, are you going to answer this or what?

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in simple words, FMPOV since NSG wanted to disolve the split at that time the split being (Junko/Gamma/dann) odd are one of you 2 is mafia

is that simple enough for you?

Well, obviously that can’t be true fmpov but there are other unconfirmed slots in the game. If that weren’t the case, than I wouldn’t take issue with that.

I will tell you this, if Dann knows who I am his answer to my question could be telling and I’ll leave it at that.

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defensiveness isn't alignment indicative for kitten

What’s your current read on me Dann? Am I still part of your hero solve?

I think it's possible you are scum but you are not currently my top scum read

if you're not scum I think I'll get around to a correct read on you if I see you post enough

Hmmmm . . . not liking this post. If you know who I am, then you know that this is never my scumgame here. I didn’t want to influence your answer because you calling me town would be nia.

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in simple words, FMPOV since NSG wanted to disolve the split at that time the split being (Junko/Gamma/dann) odd are one of you 2 is mafia

is that simple enough for you?

Well, obviously that can’t be true fmpov but there are other unconfirmed slots in the game. If that weren’t the case, than I wouldn’t take issue with that.

I will tell you this, if Dann knows who I am his answer to my question could be telling and I’ll leave it at that.

I know dude.

Town!Dann has never wrongly scumread me like ever, so I’m kind of worried now. If he had no idea who I was and gave the same exact answer, I’d probably have no issue with it.

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defensiveness isn't alignment indicative for kitten

What’s your current read on me Dann? Am I still part of your hero solve?

I think it's possible you are scum but you are not currently my top scum read

if you're not scum I think I'll get around to a correct read on you if I see you post enough

Hmmmm . . . not liking this post. If you know who I am, then you know that this is never my scumgame here. I didn’t want to influence your answer because you calling me town would be nia.

I have definitely not seen enough to know that

I am waiting for something specific from you

What is that?

I’m a bit torn now because it’s suboptimal play from scum!you to claim you know who I am and yet say you’re not sure. Not really sure what to make of that.

It would be far easier for you to push me if you had just played dumb with that.

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in simple words, FMPOV since NSG wanted to disolve the split at that time the split being (Junko/Gamma/dann) odd are one of you 2 is mafia

is that simple enough for you?

Well, obviously that can’t be true fmpov but there are other unconfirmed slots in the game. If that weren’t the case, than I wouldn’t take issue with that.

I will tell you this, if Dann knows who I am his answer to my question could be telling and I’ll leave it at that.

I know dude.

Town!Dann has never wrongly scumread me like ever, so I’m kind of worried now. If he had no idea who I was and gave the same exact answer, I’d probably have no issue with it.

I have wrongly town read you before

don't fret if you're town kitten, I'll get there if you're not lying to me

Can we not out alts? Thanks.

And I’m not. Who do you currently think are scum?

What is your take on Junko putting us together?

[kitten around]

I would currently vote Junko before Dann because I don’t see why scum!Dann would say he knows who I am, when it would be so much easier for him to miselim me if he hadn’t done that. I mean it could plausibly be a clever trick from him but I’m currently leaning not.

[kitten around]

I would currently vote Junko before Dann because I don’t see why scum!Dann would say he knows who I am, when it would be so much easier for him to miselim me if he hadn’t done that. I mean it could plausibly be a clever trick from him but I’m currently leaning not.

Not saying I’m necessarily scumreading Junko unless she continues to push this angle when there are still other unconfirmed players in the game but no, she is in no way locktown.

Scum distances and buses - both soft and hard - all the damn time, so it’s not clearing. What it does probably mean, that she is less likely to be scum based on that but locktown from it, hell no.

[kitten around]

There’s a serious non rvs wagon on gamma.

Do you support it or not?
If you do, why not join it?
If you don’t, what’s the motive behind posting this?

this is like the towniest post I think you've made but I'm also wondering if you're partners

Dann doesn’t look aligned with Star from this.

[kitten around]

Anyone making associatives reads needs to look at both Star and nsg.

[kitten around]

mm my heart is saying that Junko entering the game dumb telling to this extent is more town indicative

there is an off chance she thought she could take advantage of her extended absence from the site but this feels... a little too blatant?

maybe I'm reading too much into something that's just NAI

I win entire scum games because of thinking like this. Some of us are just dumb.

See, I understand that you might do that. I don't think JunkoChan is here though.

I would also probably vote Junko before Johnny as well. Did not like the 1v1 with me and Dann thing, at all. Why she suddenly focuses on two active players over more passive slots gives me the willies.

[kitten around]

I could possibly have been wrong on Kitty. The good cop/bad cop thing is a gambit scum love to do. I initially tr Kitty for correctly tr Gamma since Gamma is not usually a pocket but if it could be nsg/Star, Kitty and Junko that could make sense.

[kitten around]

I've just gotten to the start of that - I think the cognitive load tell can be effective but isn't a catch-all. There are plenty of reasons someone might miss humor, the way JunkoChan did doesn't look unnatural to me.

I don't think NSG pushing Junko earlier on invalidates her earlier townread on Junko. Basically I agree with early NSG more than late NSG!

i have a scum read on porkens

it is medium strong

Me too NGL, the Gamma case feels a little forced. Intent to vote once I finish my backread.

This basically sums up where I'm at up to this point!

Hmmm . . . interesting. Could I have just possibly solved this game?

nsg/Star, Kitty, Junko?

[kitten around]

There is a world where it makes sense that gamma/kitten is mafia and there's also a world where it makes sense that dann is mafia

we can lim one, lim the other next day if we miss

I just lost my tr on you for this post.

because i feel a lot better about the two competing wagons to dann and that makes me somewhat suspicious of it

And there’s this. Nsg was quite content with Gamma and Junko wagons. Something you rarely hear scum say about a buddy.

why? it's possible

dann implication is simpler, but your slot could also be scum

NSG said why gamm over junko today? as dann pointed out

implying that she might not be confortable with that slot dying

you failed to see this, I'd gladly vote your slot before Dann

plus like I said, NSG pushing so hard for my head basicly townlocks me

If you were a total newbie, I’d think it more likely that you actually believed this. I actually tr you for defending me but your play around me is weird. Defending me one minute, pushing me the next, where as Dann’s progression on me has been consistent and logical.

[kitten around]

Both Dann and Johnny can request Pooky redact it post game or you can even request it now. Johnny, you’re worse fir requoting it. :/

[kitten around]

Imo i think i will be even more reluctant to vote 1 drafters.

nsg drafted 1, so probably good catch. I wouldn’t be shocked if my solve turned out to be correct. Logical progression on a slot is probably the ultimate town tell and the converse, the opposite.

In Anything uPick, Sakura hardbussed her entire team and even the dead thread was shocked when she flipped scum.

[kitten around]

I think Kitty’s probably scum and Junko wants to create a false 1v1 between me and Dann to save him.

[kitten around]

Requested, sorry cat

<3

[kitten around]

Scum theatre tbh.

Between whom?

[kitten around]

The whole alt unmasking thing just reais of scumplay to divert pairing

You’ve seriously got to be kidding me with this. I would never ever ever agree to to ANYTHING like this. Unfuckingbelieveable. *smdh*.

I should ask your opinion on flat earthers while I’m at it.

[kitten around]

there's only jhonny and kittytacky left

Jailkeeper. Jailkept Roden n1 due to scumreading him-- was a mistake in retrospect but it didn't matter since he was ascetic anyways, jailkept Johnny n2 for the same reason as my townread eroded by then.

You should have jailkeeped roden

Didn’t you leave out a word? As in NOT?

[kitten around]

I think Kitty’s probably scum and Junko wants to create a false 1v1 between me and Dann to save him.

My read list has Jhonny in red, Nice fairy tale tho

I

So what does that have to do with any of that? You very clearly said you wanted to lim both of us, you didn’t even mention Johnny.

I also don’t even see why Johnny’s scum here? Like I’m pretty much not really trusting anything you’re saying and Porkens’ takes would make great fodder for some Illuminati conspiracy YouTube channel. *I can’t even*

Between you and Porkens, my collective synapses want to commit hari kari.

[kitten around]

Oh so I don't have a semi clear, then. I roleblocked Dann hoping to stop a kill but if I was jailkept then *shrugs*

Do folks who have been jailkept usually get told so?

I don’t think so, I think you would if you were some kind of invest though.

Further convinced Junko is scum here and if not with Kitty than Porkens. I don’t believe anyone can have such bad takes and still be town. If anyone has any evidence proving to me that Porkens has had such off the wall takes as town. please share.

[kitten around]

I know I have to be wrong on at least one of them but I’m not tr ANY of Kitty, Junko, Porkens. Absolutely everyone else is townier.

[kitten around]

well I'll be ignoring Nancy from now, I mean Kitten

That’s really not cool of you. You know I didn’t want my alt outed and now you’re doing it on purpose. :/

[kitten around]

The whole alt unmasking thing just reais of scumplay to divert pairing

You’ve seriously got to be kidding me with this. I would never ever ever agree to to ANYTHING like this. Unfuckingbelieveable. *smdh*.

I should ask your opinion on flat earthers while I’m at it.

Wow this reaction is “bad”.

Tempted to vote here.

If you’re actually town here, I will be horrified.

[kitten around]

The whole alt unmasking thing just reais of scumplay to divert pairing

You’ve seriously got to be kidding me with this. I would never ever ever agree to to ANYTHING like this. Unfuckingbelieveable. *smdh*.

I should ask your opinion on flat earthers while I’m at it.

Wow this reaction is “bad”.

Tempted to vote here.

If you’re actually town here, I will be horrified.

Same.

If you’re town and seriously think this, I have no words. Your play so far has been atrocious but at least you’re never hurtful, so I’ll give you nice points regardless.

[kitten around]

I'm going with ma gut VOTE: kitten around

VOTE: Junko


I’m happy to go 1v1 with you since your entire progression on my slot looks scum motivated. There is no reason town!you should be voting me here, so I’m interpreting this vote as confirmation that my solve on you is probably right.

Anyone who isn’t terrible at this game would read my ISO and realize that neither Gamma’s but especially my ISO never comes from scum.

In light of Dann’s post, new solve is Junko/Porkens.

[kitten around]

amogus

I already had her in my PoE, so not really.

[kitten around]

I'm just gonna say, if you are town Nancy (I don't even care about you alt thing cuz it was already revelaled so fuck off) you threw right here, right now for overeacting

I mean there's a fking world where N_M and enchant are both mafia

there's also a world where Dann and jhonny are the other mafia

I made an educated guess and you freaked out the moment I pointed it out

anyway, this game feels really dead so go on with the show

STOP FUCKING CALLING me that, my name here is KITTEN so fucking use it!

[kitten around]

Junko is deliberately calling me that to intentionally rile me up and I’m not fucking having it!

[kitten around]

I'm just gonna say, if you are town Nancy (I don't even care about you alt thing cuz it was already revelaled so fuck off) you threw right here, right now for overeacting

I mean there's a fking world where N_M and enchant are both mafia

there's also a world where Dann and jhonny are the other mafia

I made an educated guess and you freaked out the moment I pointed it out

anyway, this game feels really dead so go on with the show

You’re not getting away with your unacceptable treatment of me in this game, jsyk.

And no I don’t believe you’re town here. I’m freaked out that you continue to call me Nancy when I’ve repeatedly asked you NOT to do that.

[kitten around]

Junko is deliberately calling me that to intentionally rile me up and I’m not fucking having it!

well I'll be ignoring Nancy from now, I mean Kitten

That’s really not cool of you. You know I didn’t want my alt outed and now you’re doing it on purpose. :/

What’s she’s doing is absolutely despicable and not okay.

Dann and Johnny did it by mistake but Junko is doing it specifically to piss me off and it’s disgusting. I don’t know if she’s trying to drive me out of the game or it’s scum motivated but I’m not fucking putting up with it.

[kitten around]

I’m putting you on my FoE list because you’re not worth eating a ban over. You aren’t getting away with your abusive treatment of me and that’s all I can say about that without getting spanked.

[kitten around]

I'm just gonna say, if you are town Nancy (I don't even care about you alt thing cuz it was already revelaled so fuck off) you threw right here, right now for overeacting

I mean there's a fking world where N_M and enchant are both mafia

there's also a world where Dann and jhonny are the other mafia

I made an educated guess and you freaked out the moment I pointed it out

anyway, this game feels really dead so go on with the show

STOP FUCKING CALLING me that, my name here is KITTEN so fucking use it!

Uh...

Overplaying .. ithink?

It’s a complete lack of respect for my feelings. I have requested multiple times that she call me by the name I signed up to play with in this game and she is deliberately ignoring me. I’m seriously afraid I will do something that will get me banned if it continues. Believe it or not, I’m extremely upset about it because there’s absolutely no good reason for her to continue to disrespect my very clearly expressed wishes this way.

[kitten around]

I will acknowledge that I’m extremely tilted rn but I still think her progression on my slot earlier - with first defending my claim, then saying it looked like nsg wanted us both wagoned - to saying me and then Dann should be limmed next which I thought was suss but there’s so many things in both Gamma’s and my ISO that spews me town, anyone reasonably decent at this game shouldn’t be ignoring it.

[kitten around]

I'm inclined to think Kitty's play around nsg/starpower looks uninformed

star power had like 5 votes and was not posting, honestly I would expect scum to already be bussing at that point

that positioning is like so awful for someone that knows what star power is flipping

on second thought this might be awful reasoning to apply to Kitty

There’s a post where he’s agreeing with Star or the other way around on yeeting Porkens, so that’s how I decided on that solve. I also thought Junko saying that she was “locktown” was kind of ridiculous because I could definitely see scum!nsg possibly trying to set up her teammates to look good, since she usually doesn’t tend to live long as scum.

I could also conceive of possibly Porkens/Kitty as well due to distancing, so I’m not wedded to this vote.

It could be nsgStar/Kitty/Porkens as well. I’m just not picking up scum vibes from anyone else. \_0_/

[kitten around]

There’s a serious non rvs wagon on gamma.

Do you support it or not?
If you do, why not join it?
If you don’t, what’s the motive behind posting this?

this is like the towniest post I think you've made but I'm also wondering if you're partners

This is why I don’t think it’s Dann.

[kitten around]

i have a scum read on porkens

it is medium strong

Me too NGL, the Gamma case feels a little forced. Intent to vote once I finish my backread.

This basically sums up where I'm at up to this point!

So I think either this post looks like Kitty could be a buddy or Porkens.

Both Kitty and Porkens keep pushing each other but Porkens keeps looking for alternatives. I do think that if Junko would stop literally going out of her way to continually rile me up, I could see this more clearly.

But I will be extremely shocked if all three of Junko/Kitty/Porkens are town here.

[kitten around]

please be respectful to each other and call each other by the names/pronouns preferred by the user. ty

<3

[kitten around]

There’s a serious non rvs wagon on gamma.

Do you support it or not?
If you do, why not join it?
If you don’t, what’s the motive behind posting this?

this is like the towniest post I think you've made but I'm also wondering if you're partners

This is why I don’t think it’s Dann.

If it's not Dann it's you, that's my point

It’s not me and I don’t think it’s Dann, so if you’re town you should consider looking elsewhere.

[kitten around]

Before things go to far, just wanna mention to not let Penguin or especially nsg slide without justifying their votes on me

This post is clearly antipartnery but yes, I’m aware I’m obviously biased because I know my alignment.

[kitten around]

Ok kitten why am I scum?

Sorry but focusing on myself is the only way I can engage in this game.

I don’t know if you are. Had Yume flipped scum, I’d definitely be voting you. It’s a bit of a bias I have that when I think my play has been obvtown and I get sr despite that I can’t help but be suspicious but if my entire PoE is wrong and Junko, you and Kitty are alltown, than scum is doing an amazing job of fooling me.

Maybe it has something to do with you obtowning me in the last game we played as well. I know you were scum in that.

NM doesn’t seem to care about the game and that’s nia for him. Enchant fooled me in a previous game, so I suppose I can’t rule that out.

Pretty sure I’m right about Dann though although I don’t really have the best BoP on him. I have no experience playing with scum!Johnny but he hasn’t done anything to ping me. I’m not great at reading Kitty so yours and Junko’s play has pinged me the most.

Maybe I should ask you, did you tr Yume, is that why you were looking for alternate vig choices?

I am suspicious of players claiming to choose vt because people generally choose to play this setup because they actually want to get a pr of hopefully your own choosing, so maybe I need to look at that.

[kitten around]

I'm just gonna say, if you are town Nancy (I don't even care about you alt thing cuz it was already revelaled so fuck off) you threw right here, right now for overeacting

I mean there's a fking world where N_M and enchant are both mafia

there's also a world where Dann and jhonny are the other mafia

I made an educated guess and you freaked out the moment I pointed it out

anyway, this game feels really dead so go on with the show

You’re not getting away with your unacceptable treatment of me in this game, jsyk.

And no I don’t believe you’re town here. I’m freaked out that you continue to call me Nancy when I’ve repeatedly asked you NOT to do that.

ok nancy.

Wow I still think you're town but

this is horrible behavior.

<3

[kitten around]

Spoiler:

It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I don’t understand this readslist. How do you have Dann and Penguin as both townreads and scumreads?

kitty go twith the program, we already said this like 4 times

I don’t know what you’re referring to and I’d really appreciate you not talking down to me, thanks.

It’s a work in progress but:

VigPig
PenguinPower
Junkochan
Rodan
Dann

—-

NM
Enchant

—-

green but like slimy green
Johnny
Freddy
New kitty

—-

Star/NSG

—-

PenguinPower
Dann
Kitty?
Yume?

I don’t understand this readslist. How do you have Dann and Penguin as both townreads and scumreads?

kitty go twith the program, we already said this like 4 times

I don’t know what you’re referring to and I’d really appreciate you not talking down to me, thanks.

I'm sorry I didn't know you don't care enough to read the thread kitty

If you’re going to continue to be rude to me for literally no reason, I will just ignore you. There is no justification for you treating me like this.

Junko is right that I do need to read the game because rn, my only confident scumread is Yume. Nsg/Star could be anything.

@Roden, if you don’t want to out alts, can you explain the damage control thing? I’m not opposed to switching my vote but it would be nice to feel more confident in it.

Also OMGUS much?

I cannot even tell if you scum read me

Me either! Might be a good vig shot…

What about a Johnny/Kitty scumteam?

How much trouble would I be in if I shot kitten around instead of yume?

Porkens trying to find a way to avoid shooting obvscum!Yume. Anyone but the optimal slot

VOTE: Star Power

I hope this is right.

It's obnoxious that i approached You in jokey friendly way and you were like bitch don't touch me

I have this feeling that you just barely read the thread and Even when i pointed exactly that you were repeating that porkens reads were a mess for the 4th tome and never adressed others who pointed it out was even more obnoxious

Stop acting all high and mighty about your reads this Game because You have been nothing but wrong

You are going like: oh it's so hard for me to be wrong there's no chance they are fooling me!

Yet You were wrong about Yume your obvscum!read

You didn't Even wanted to vote Star, nsg was't Even in your radar

This is why you piss me off and your shitty víctim act

Also because I think you overeacting about the alt thing is weird af

Anyway enchant n_m being the other two wouldn't surprise me either if penguin wants to vote there i'll vote there, it would explain why this Game has been so boring

But I really want to vote kitten around

My expert opinion on this brilliant wall of bullshit, you’re welcome.

[kitten around]

Just to be clear, when you’re actually capable of making a post involving me without fucking attacking me, I will consider taking your opinions seriously. I’m not your punching bag and it’s abundantly clear that’s your main reason for behaviour towards me.

[kitten around]

Just to be clear, when you’re actually capable of making a post involving me without fucking attacking me, I will consider taking your opinions seriously. I’m not your punching bag and it’s abundantly clear that’s your main reason for behaviour towards me.

[kitten around]

If anyone wants to requote Junko’s post to/about me minus the continued emotional abuse, I will respond to it but everytime she addresses me in any way, I wind up making a post that I can’t submit because I’m trying to avoid getting baited into eating a ban and no game ever is ever worth putting up with that crap.

[kitten around]

The game will continue to suffer because of your bad attitude and all you need to do is to be nice and just try to play well with others and stop making this game hell for everyone.

[kitten around]

I don’t want to be forced out of this game but it’s seriously fucking unfair that you continue to put me in this position where you go out of your way to continue to rile me up for absolutely no good fucking reason. What godammned right do you think you have to make me or anyone else feel this way and treat them like absolute shit?

I have really tried extremely hard to play nice with you but you’re making that impossible. Is your goal seriously to drive me out of this game because it’s not okay that I can’t play without risking a ban because you continue to be so awful to me.

Kitty agreed with me that your treatment of me is horrible and I bet money, he’s not the only one who thinks this.

[kitten around]

So I will keep my vote on you because until you stop being impossibly toxic to me, I can’t solve properly or do much of anything else unless I completely block your posts and I think you’ve left me no recourse but to do that, so I won’t be reading any more of what you post because it’s seriously the only other alternative to either eating a ban or being literally forced out of this game. I’ve done absolutely nothing to warrant this treatment from you and you clearly don’t intend to stop, so I’m just going to pretend for my own sanity that you’re not in the game.

I’m going to flip town, despite your bad takes and that’s assuming you’re town, which I’m still doubting because I’ve been in games where scum has treated me really really badly but I think your treatment of me here still takes the cake regardless of your alignment.

I can case Gamma and myself to show why your read on me is ridiculous, if that’s seriously necessary.

[kitten around]

I now am unable to read any of your posts unless another player requotes any tolerable parts to me. That’s what I meant earlier by foeing you but I didn’t do that until now because I just can’t deal with it anymore.

[kitten around]

You’re allowed to wrongly sr me, you’re not allowed to say derogatory statements like “your shitty vicitim, act, call me “full of [my]self, address my by the incorrect username when I have repeatedly requested you stop doing that nor are you allowed to tell me to “fuck off”.

Not a single one of those things has jack to do with your expressed read on me in this game and is therefore a grotesque violation of site ruies and entirely unacceptable.

[kitten around]

I now am unable to read any of your posts unless another player requotes any tolerable parts to me. That’s what I meant earlier by foeing you but I didn’t do that until now because I just can’t deal with it anymore.

Also I thought "foe" here meant like. "Finger of elimination". Like another name for a fos.

That’s FoS but Junko’s that too. Foe means you can’t read their posts.

[kitten around]

Did I claim yet?

VT

Was that your draft choice as well?

[kitten around]

Dann/kitty mmmmmm

Why is Junko town? I was thinking she was town until her weirdly suspicious progress on me post claims. She first strongly defends me due to Gamma having claimed earlier. She says that nsg was targeting both of us, then for either pretty much no reason or extremely bad reasons, she suddenly pivots to wanting both me and Dann limmed but me first.

In what world do you think that makes an iota of sense as a townie thought progression?

Also I think it was Alisae who said in some game that when a player goes out of their way to demoralize another player, that player is likely scum. Junko damn well knows that what she’s been doing has been extremely toxic and detrimental to the gamestate, yet she continues and I know for a fact that she knows I’m really upset. Unfortunately I can’t say more as to why that is because it would violate site rules but there’s no way in hell she doesn’t know that she’s been intentionally trying to demoralize me and perhaps try to drive me out of the game, probably hoping as less obvtown slot replaces me.

[kitten around]

Yeah, I think that’s the kind of distancing post I’d probably make as scum to because scum wants more than anything to look unaligned.

And Junko starting the day claiming to be locktown was hella suss as well. It just seemed a bit too conversation because nsg plays similar to scum!Mastina. Both tend to not live very long as scum, so they typically play by trying to set up their teammates to look good after they flip.

[kitten around]

Yeah, I think that’s the kind of distancing post I’d probably make as scum to because scum wants more than anything to look unaligned.

And Junko starting the day claiming to be locktown was hella suss as well. It just seemed a bit too CONVENIENT because nsg plays similar to scum!Mastina. Both tend to not live very long as scum, so they typically play by trying to set up their teammates to look good after they flip.

Stupid autocorrect.

[kitten around]

you are insulting my scumplay Dann
I suck at solving unless is late game
I can sort of imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it,

if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum

and if somehow you manage to move the wagon on me, you should go next

You just treated Dann as town and called him scum. lololol

You say: If Dann actually believes the “story” he’s making. You talking to him as if you think he’s town.

He should go next - why because

ACCORDING to YOU

he

actually believes his “story”

?

You must seriously think we’re all idiots with this.

[kitten around]

you are insulting my scumplay Dann
I suck at solving unless is late game
I can sort of imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it,

if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum

and if somehow you manage to move the wagon on me, you should go next

You just treated Dann as town and called him scum. lololol

You say: If Dann actually believes the “story” he’s making. You talking to him as if you think he’s town.

He should go next - why because

ACCORDING to YOU

he

actually believes his “story”

?

You must seriously think we’re all idiots with this.

I'm not even gonna bother to explain this to you

If you seriously think Dann is scum, you don’t think he believes what he’s saying.

[kitten around]

you are insulting my scumplay Dann

I suck at solving unless is late game

I can sort of imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it, if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum and if somehow you manage to move the wagon on me, you should go next

Another contradiction - re: the bolded -you were just recently hardpushing me. If you don’t think your reads are good early game, then why would you do that?

Because it now looks like your walking back your read on me when you were trying really hard to drive a miselim on me.

[kitten around]

you are insulting my scumplay Dann
I suck at solving unless is late game
I can sort of imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it,

if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum

and if somehow you manage to move the wagon on me, you should go next

You just treated Dann as town and called him scum. lololol

You say: If Dann actually believes the “story” he’s making. You talking to him as if you think he’s town.

He should go next - why because

ACCORDING to YOU

he

actually believes his “story”

?

You must seriously think we’re all idiots with this.

I'm not even gonna bother to explain this to you

If you seriously think Dann is scum, you don’t think he believes what he’s saying.

wow you are a genius, good

and if dann is town and heactually believes this shit he is insulting my scumplay, was that so hard to understand?

That’s not at all what you said in that 1838, you said, if he actually believed his “story”, he’s scum. I’m not dumb. I’m dyslexic but that doesn’t stop me from catching outright contradictions and you’re saying the exact opposite thing in these posts.

[kitten around]

you are insulting my scumplay Dann

I suck at solving unless is late game

I can sort of imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it, if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum and if somehow you manage to move the wagon on me, you should go next

Another contradiction - re: the bolded -you were just recently hardpushing me. If you don’t think your reads are good early game, then why would you do that?


Because it now looks like your walking back your read on me when you were trying really hard to drive a miselim on me.

I said from the beggining that I could see a world where you are scum and a world where Dann is scum

I don’t see why town!you goes from hard defending me post claims to suddenly deciding I’m suddenly the most optimal lim for today.

That makes absolutely no sense.

[kitten around]

and you think I'm scum with Johnny?

look here I can be wrong, I probably am fmpov this are the possibilities

scum!dann-jhonny/n_m/enchant

scum!porkens-kittytacky

scum!kitten cannot be scum with dann, very low possibility of being scum with porkens

and then there's the boring and annoying world where n_m and enchant are mafia and we are all here making a show

So you have no trs other than confitown!Penguin.

That’s not a great look.

[kitten around]

imagine what could happen given the current scenario
but that's it, if you actually believe this story you are making you are probably actually scum

Why would you say if Dann believes what he’s saying he’s probably scum? Scum doesn’t believe what they’re saying because they know they’re lying.

[kitten around]

I called her "kitty" nad she was like bitch don't touch me, is not related to the game, but I just want to make clear that I hate her victim persona

There’s no way you actually believe this, unless you’re seriously that unself-aware but I don’t buy it.

[kitten around]

Oh shit junko/Dann?!!!

Junko was arguing to lim me first then Dann, so how can they be buddies then because she would have to push Dann after my townflip?

[kitten around]

Is junko likely to think that far ahead?

I have no idea but she made it clear, she wanted me first, so then she would have to logically push Dann, so unless you’re arguing she planned to bus him, that doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

I think Dann is town anyway. His progression on my slot looked townie plus I think that post Star made that I quoted looks antipartnery.

I maintain that nsg tried to set up her buddies to appear unaligned because she plays similar to Mastina. As for Star? Unfortunately Roden isn’t alive to tell us of her thought process as scum.

[kitten around]

Oh wait no I’m not. VOTE: nk15

That’s better.

feels a little ambitious to try to start this wagon at this point in the day

I think this looks antipartnery.

[kitten around]

It's going to end up being N_M/enchant isn't it?

Nsg’s entire progression on your slot is weird. She called you her “secret scumread” after previously defending you. It really looks like she was really trying to hard distance you.

[kitten around]

It's going to end up being N_M/enchant isn't it?

Nsg’s entire progression on your slot is weird. She called you her “secret scumread” after previously defending you. It really looks like she was really trying to hard distance you.

you are acting like that's the only scum strategy there is

For scum players who don’t expect to endgame, it usually is. I know Mastina has said it’s generally her preferred one. If you know your scumgame is weak and that you usually die early as scum, your focus wouldn’t be on survival but in setting up your buddies to look good.

Do you not think that makes logical sense?

[kitten around]

Here’s where junko comes at me with a blistering case and Danny like “yeah” and then the memes hop on and then I’m hammered by the great cow.

Is junko likely to think that far ahead?

Oh shit junko/Dann?!!!

@kitten this is clearly a joke btw, that's how dense you are

No it wasn’t.

I think it’s pretty clear he wasn’t joking.

[kitten around]

I don’t at all trust the universal backup

That’s a best pick for scum

I’ve seen town pick that role, so that in itself is nia.

[kitten around]

NM making exactly one post and then fucking off means he probably isn't having fun. Which could mean he can't troll anyone in a scum PT, so slight +town.

@Johnny

[kitten around]

Kitty vote Junko

Think NM is probably town for mindmelding with me. I don’t think Junko’s town here and NM’s > rand chance of being a miselim.

[kitten around]

does anyone have a reason for NM scum

I’m guessing because he plays somewhat antitown regardless of alignment but I don’t this is his scumgame here.

[kitten around]

Why hasn't he lolhammered yet

I think he wanted to lol hammer Star but Porkens hammered instead. I think that’s probably why he voted and then unvoted, so that he could be the hammerer.

[kitten around]

can someone not even case but just give me like the bulletpoints on dann scum, i'm waiting on a lot of content from him but don't really feel as though that warrants a vote yet

This kind of reads like scum who doesn’t want to look bad for miseliming a townie.

Bizarre to me, how Junko viewed that as any kind of associative.

I don’t think this is how scum treats a buddy.

[kitten around]

great - given his general iso, vote history, claim of vt he's a liability as town and we have no reason to believe he's not scum.

p-edit

must have missed the case. where it be?

I probably rn don’t want him in elo but I don’t see why he’s the best vote today?

[kitten around]

1940

marking this for post game

Good, you do that. Because I think if you’re not actually scum here, you have some seriously bad takes but pretty sure I’m not wrong on Dann.

His progression on me looked townie.

[kitten around]

in simple words, FMPOV since NSG wanted to disolve the split at that time the split being (Junko/Gamma/dann) odd are one of you 2 is mafia

is that simple enough for you?

Well, obviously that can’t be true fmpov but there are other unconfirmed slots in the game. If that weren’t the case, than I wouldn’t take issue with that.

I will tell you this, if Dann knows who I am his answer to my question could be telling and I’ll leave it at that.

I know dude.

Town!Dann has never wrongly scumread me like ever, so I’m kind of worried now. If he had no idea who I was and gave the same exact answer, I’d probably have no issue with it.

I have wrongly town read you before

don't fret if you're town kitten, I'll get there if you're not lying to me

I don’t think scum!Dann makes this post.

[kitten around]

great - given his general iso, vote history, claim of vt he's a liability as town and we have no reason to believe he's not scum.

p-edit

must have missed the case. where it be?

I probably rn don’t want him in elo but I don’t see why he’s the best vote today?

great - given his general iso, vote history, claim of vt he's a liability as town and we have no reason to believe he's not scum.

I played a game recently with scum!NM and he won that game because everyone and their uncle obv tr him.

[kitten around]

386 COULD BE SCUMMY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO READ JOHNNY? I'M DOWN TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JOHNNY AND JUNKO AFTER GAMMA GETS FLIPPED.

any particular reason for gamma over junko today? you were saying a lot early in the game and i kinda expected that energy to continue but i feel like you've been a lot quieter, have you caught up fully or mostly just been skimming?

Good catch Dann, nsg is doing the exact same thing with Gamma as you.

[kitten around]

Kitty vote Junko

VOTE: Dannflor

^Lim this

I have a guilty on Dannflor

no you don't

I do, I have my intuition

I'm Masons with Penguin he said you should vote Dann

Flail some more please

Why should we trust your Dann read when you were wrong on Junko? And why is Dann scum?

[kitten around]

I don’t know what to make of Kitty but I think we should probably resolve the Dann/NM thing today. Who did Johhny say he rb’d?

[kitten around]

Strong eyebrows raised at cow and Enchant for sure

Kitty why did you jail Roden?

Oh yeah I guess Kitty protec pengy, we can lim among POE and then I can also try to RB the scum killer


dumdum POE

Junko went after JK and didn't get it. Junko is one of those who gets votes cuz they're different and abrasive, not actually sure that they're all that scummy.

Dann is an enigma a little bit, he seems comfortable and unbothered by the double townie death last night but he is thinking critically and trying to solve. I wish I had actually RB'd him last night, if feel more at ease.

Kitten doesn't seem within their scum meta, and I think Gamma was actually townie.

Nm..NM... yeah

Enchant is more engaged than Lost, which makes me suspicious. As does the VT draft.
_

Conclusion: lim NM, see if me and Kitty can get some more town reads/leans through powers at night

Battling the weird mood of the game with a

VOTE: Not_Maf

Join me, all

We're all too complacent rn, let's kill some scum.

Johnny didn’t say but he wanted NM yesterday > Junko so NM you continuing to call Dann scum without explaining your reasoning isn’t very convincing.

I’m probably going to sheep confitown!Penguin here.

Also Star had the exact same read on Dann as Junko. And I agree with what Dann said yesterday that Nsg’s two posts look like scum on town because I know I’m town and nsg’s take on Dann was very similar.

[kitten around]

[quote="In post 1832

if you actually look at the context surrounding the wagons at the time, there is pretty strong momentum on me and Gamma already. scum doesn't need to tip the scales.

542is exactly the type of post scum tends to make when they know a wagon is going to flip town and want plausible deniability / town cred for it. she makes the same soft defense of gamma in 546. like she wants to encourage the wagons on us but doesn't actually want to stick out her neck and hard defend.[/quote]

Sorry, half asleep and royally messed up the quote.

So nsg similar on Dann and me.

[kitten around]

First townread of the game:

JunkoChan!

I think their misunderstanding of the setup looks rather genuine and not the way that scum would try to fake a slip like that. People like to WIFOM their way out of that logic sometimes, but scum rarely actually try something like that early because it's just not that effective as a way to get townread, on average. I believe there's credit to the fact that both SCRRRDBEAR and northsidegal held an early townread there as well! So I feel good about having JunkoChan as town from the start.

Actually,

Dannflor

can go ahead and be a full townread, complete with a bold tag! I believe the stretch of posts 141-145 demonstrates that Dann is clearly showing, as it turns out, an underlying town thought process. (It's clear that that's something Dann himself valued in making reads, and it's also how NSG seemed to be developing her own early reads. How meta!) There's clear depth to Dann's reads on all of NK15/Porkens/NSG. I believe there's a person behind the Dann account who believes the thoughts he is posting about these slots.

Here, Star similar on Dann and Junko. The fact that I know I’m town and Junko flipped town, looks like Dann is is not an nsg/Star buddy.

[kitten around]

Kitty vote Junko

VOTE: Dannflor

^Lim this

I have a guilty on Dannflor

no you don't

I do, I have my intuition

I'm Masons with Penguin he said you should vote Dann

Flail some more please

Why should we trust your Dann read when you were wrong on Junko? And why is Dann scum?

I never said Junko was scum, my vote was self-preservation. And why did you omit the post where I explained my Dann read?

Sorry then, requote it, I’m still not fully awake.

[kitten around]

kitten what do you mean when you say resolve within me/NM

how firm is your read on me

I think he was pushing you hard, so that’s why. I’m not opposed to Kitty though. I think that based on the knowledge of both mine and Junko’s alignment and the similar ways both nsg and Star dealt with both - in the case of nsg you/me and Star - you/Junko - I think unless that’s some elaborate ploy to on both incarnations of the slot, it looks like you’re town and I already thought you were based on the reasons I already gave yesyerday.

Sure it’s of course possible that both incarnations of of that slot would have similar reads to you with two townies as scum but I think that’s unlikely.

[kitten around]

Porkens approached the 1v1 more on the sidelines but that's just kinda how Porkens seems to play and I have a hard time scum reading the tone on any of his posts

the way the random Junko/Dann crackpot theory is presented reads a lot more "town conspiracy theory" than scum trying to sew paranoia or stir the pot further

I guess if I have a massive blind spot maybe it's here but I also remember thinking Porkens/NSG D1 is never aligned so

Quote part of my approach of the 1v1?

I thought posts like 1882 and 1884 or 1886 where you are kinda just meme posting in the midst of some intensity between me and Junko looked like Just Posting to Post

You kinda avoided taking a side until you town read both of us in 1911 without much substantiation or trying to defuse the fight

it rubbed me the wrong way

Are you thinking Kitty/Porkens now?

[kitten around]

I think that both incarnations of nsg/Star wrt to me/Junko as confitown, point to you probably also being town, so yeah, I don’t think associatives point to you.


I could see a Kitty/Porkens team to, so maybe NM is town then. His posting here does seem to be very different than in diffusion of power, so I think I take back what I said earlier.

[kitten around]

no

I kinda think Porkens is the most likely town slot in this game aside from Penguin

No Dann, that would be I think either you or me and you saying that Porkens is more town than me is concerning, because I think I’m so extremely out of my scum range here and you of all people should know that.

[kitten around]

Dann you have read me wrong as town once but you’ve never ever wrongly sr me. So now you’re starting to worry me a bit. I still think you’re probably town but I know you know this is never my scumgame.

I’m not saying Porkens is scum but I know and you should absolutely know it can’t be me here.

[kitten around]

VOTE: Kitty

[kitten around]

It’s not me and I don’t think it’s Dann or NM.

Could possibly be Enchant? I think it’s between him and Porkens. I don’t think Kitty was a bus.

[kitten around]

TOEN:
junko and kitten (perfect scum theatre)
Dann
Penguin
NotMafia_

Scum
JohnnyFreds
Enchante

Porkens, where is Kitty on this list?

[kitten around]

Enchant always picks 1

this is false, but there is this from a previous game:
Subject: Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [scum pt]

Let's pick same number (which is common one, not 420) so people think we are not aligned lol

which for now means basically nothing, but is worth putting in the back pocket, so to speak.

If you ask me.

Would i pick bulletproof again, if i did roll toppick?

Yes.

BASED OFF THE DRAFT I'D SAY ONE

OR BOTH

OF GAMMA/DANNFLOR + PENGUIN/JOHNNY/KITTY ARE SCUM. IF THIS DRAFT SYSTEM HAS BEEN RUN BEFORE I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT NUMBERS WERE CHOSEN BY SCUM IN THE PAST.

Wait what

Where you get this idea from, why scum would pick same number as teammates

Either way i start


I picked Vanilla Townie. I received what i wish.

Next?

Considering your meme status, I wouldn't be surprised

but this claim still makes you sus

why me

agh you have to claim what you drafted, not what you are

but i drafted vanilla townie

What do people make of this?

I think nsg likely cleared Dann and Gamma and Star, Junko and Dann. Both Porkens and Enchant push Kitty but he was never in danger until yesterday.

Nothing about NM is making me think this isn’t his towngame, so I think it’s most likely either Enchant or Porkens.

[kitten around]

If you’re actually town here Enchant, you have zero clue how to read me.

[kitten around]

And I also think you’re vt pick is the most suss. Everyone else who got vt picked something else.

VOTE: Enchant

[kitten around]

Weren't you eliminated in the previous game day? You shouldn't be posting

???

Who are you referring to with this? We were never eliminated.

You must mean Junko?

[kitten around]

Oh lol, you think I’m Kitty? lmfaoooo

[kitten around]

And I also think you’re vt pick is the most suss. Everyone else who got vt picked something else.

VOTE: Enchant

It's all argumentation you have?

Did you not read 2090?

Plus, you having first one of the most obvious townies first didn’t really help, because if I’m right and I think I could be, then your yeet order looks like: yeet obvtown first, then miselim, miselim, pocket.

Nsg pointed out that you played this setup before as scum and argued that the entire team picked 1, yet here, you argue the exact opposite of that and claimed all of the 1 pickers except at best one or something were masons.

Why did she go out of her way like that to point that out?

I know I’m town and already explained how nsg likely spewed both Dann and me as town, then due to Junko flip, how Star did the same thing for Dann and Junko. Nothing in nsg’s ISO implicates NM plus his draft pick is actually believable. My only hesitation is if Kitty was distancing Porkens or not when he voted him over Star but I think on the whole your play here is more reminiscent of your scumgame and you fooled me before.

Maybe I should turn it on to you? Why do you have me first on your elim list? Is it because I think associatives point more to you and Porkens than anyone else still alive in the playerlist?

But I think game probably ends with your flip, because I don’t buy you picked vt, I don’t buy that you believe 1 pickers were a masonry when you had previously tried that ploy before as scum. Gamma isn’t good at reading you. You were super obvious town in DoP and he thought you were scum in that.

As I said before - though I was obviously very wrong wrt Junko - Nsg knows she has a very weak scumgame and knows she won’t live too long, so the logical play for any weak scum player is to set up their buddies to look good and I think she was probably counting on people seeing that post where she called you out for that as antipartnery and if Nsg we’re actually a strong scum player, I’d probably think that too but because she isn’t, it reads like perfect distancing to me.

[kitten around]

Oh lol, you think I’m Kitty? lmfaoooo

How am I supposed to distinguish between two cats? You all look the same

You hammered Kitty after I put him to e-1?

[kitten around]

Enchant always picks 1

this is false, but there is this from a previous game:

Subject: Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [scum pt]

Let's pick same number (which is common one, not 420) so people think we are not aligned lol

which for now means basically nothing, but is worth putting in the back pocket, so to speak.

I DECLARE YUME PORKENS NORTHSIDEGAL NOT KNOWN 15 AND ME AS MASONS

AT BEST ONLY ONE MAF HERE


NOT VOTING RODEN, SLOT WILL SELFRESOLVE


THEREFORE WE ALL SHALL KILL GAMMA

Why would you think that all 1 pickers were masons when you had previously tried this ploy in a previous game as scum? And my argument for nsg setting you up to look like you two were unaligned.

[kitten around]

Not_Mafia - Scum. I reread the game today, I don't think this is town NM, NM contrary to popular belief actually plays to win as town and here he's just... there. I retract my "scapecow" comment, he really reads like bored/demoralized/dissociated scum from the tone of his posts. Lim this.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I'll kill kitty too

this explanation on this feels like a bussingggg

Yes because every swing in opinion on someone is a bus. I am quite open-minded, changed my playstyle after that game where I tunneled on 3 townies and threw them all into the meatgrinder as town.

And now he's bordering on Cute Fuzzy Kitten Defense. Just kill this.

At any rate, this doesn’t really look like a bus.

[kitten around]

vote count 4.final

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-11-29 03:28:00).

yeet

KittyTacky [4]:

Porkens, Dannflor, kitten around, Not_Mafia[HAMMER]

Not_Mafia [1]:

KittyTacky

not voting [2]:

PenguinPower, Enchant

mod notes

Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

flavour

NM, Kitty was voting YOU.

[kitten around]

VCA actually makes me feel even more confident in my vote. I wouldn’t be shocked if Enchant flip ends the game.

[kitten around]

Also you not obvtown

I partially explained it with Gamma’s posting and nsg’s similar takes on me and Dann but I know when I’m well out of my scumrange and I am here.

[kitten around]

Also NM obviously trolls you

You’re saying he’s trolling me with the Kitty thing? I honestly can’t say I’ve ever been trolled by him before.

[kitten around]

I’m well out of my scumrange

If you know your scumrange

You can manipulate it

No because then I wouldn’t be out of my scumrange. There are certain things I’m just incapable of replicating as scum, that’s what I mean by that.

[kitten around]

Also you not obvtown

I partially explained it with Gamma’s posting and nsg’s similar takes on me and Dann but I know when I’m well out of my scumrange and I am here.

Why i shall listen to NSG

I already explained this.

[kitten around]

dannflor kitten around and not_mafia have been prodded

Responding to prod, I didn’t see anything worth responding to since my last post.

[kitten around]

dannflor is scum trying to lurk out of the game

UNVOTE:

Waiting for Dann to respond.

[kitten around]

v/La until Sunday for thanksgiving related things

will try to pop in as I can

Dann why haven’t you posted?

Still think Enchant is suss but I think NM has a point wrt the possible lurking.

[kitten around]

I could vote kitten

I’m town. Are you usually this bad at scumhunting? Or maybe it is actually you?

[kitten around]

I will be reluctant to vote Dann anyway. NK seems to be tunneled.

... Which fairly could cost us game if both NM and Dann are town.

I like this recent post. Maybe it is Porkens?

But NM could be right that Dann could be avoiding the game but other than his not posting, I liked his posting. \_0_/

I think NM is either correct town or wrongly tunnelled town. Him tunnelling on a slot is usually town indicative for him. He’s been wrong like in Schadd’s game but he sounds like he believes in that read. Sometimes he’s right. So I’m going to not vote until Dann posts something or someone does something to make me confidently want to vote them.

[kitten around]

Porkens, what are your reads?

Who would you vote out in order?

[kitten around]

dannflor is scum trying to lurk out of the game

I can feel that

I could vote kitten

How do you even get to agreeing with NM on Dann to wanting to vote me?

Is either one of these a real read?

[kitten around]

KittyTacky - I'm town.
Dannflor - Town. Generally been solvy, shading of me seems uninformed (both of my meta and of this game). I think the Junko push also seemed uninformed.
kitten around - Town. Activity around Junko seemed TvT honestly, I doubt scum would react so explosively to an attack and attract unneeded attention to themselves.
PenguinPower - Null. Didn't do anything outrageously scummy this game but he's just kinda there which I thiiiink is NAI for PP?
Enchant - Null. I can't read Enchant. Sorry.
Porkens - Scum lean. I still don't like this, was just a bit hesitant to vote them yesterday.
Not_Mafia - Scum. I reread the game today, I don't think this is town NM, NM contrary to popular belief actually plays to win as town and here he's just... there. I retract my "scapecow" comment, he really reads like bored/demoralized/dissociated scum from the tone of his posts. Lim this.

I really don’t put a lot of stock into your not scum theatre argument Dann. I’ve seen scum do things similar to that. I think this readslist otoh hand is probably more telliing.

Based off this alone, I think it points away from nm, you, me. Enchant, being a null looks the worst based on this and Porkens next with the scumlean but I think this could be Enchant’s scum meta and he wanted to vote me out first when he knows that this is my towngame. Porkens has just been really weird but probably is Enchant.

[kitten around]

How many times you said game ends with my flip? 3?

You probably should keep repeat that: Because it can be true.

Enchant, why did you make this post?

[kitten around]

the draft phase is over.

the order of the draft is as follows:

the mafia have selected the

multitasking

modifier - this means a mafia player may use the factional nightkill and a role ability on the same night.

the role bidding phase begins now. for your convenience, i have also included the possible role choices below:

Spoiler:

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur
jailkeeper	or	tracker

please pm me

the specific role

you wish to be. you have about 48 hours to do so.

VOTE: Enchant

[kitten around]

I DECLARE YUME PORKENS NORTHSIDEGAL NOT KNOWN 15 AND ME AS MASONS

AT BEST ONLY ONE MAF HERE


NOT VOTING RODEN, SLOT WILL SELFRESOLVE


THEREFORE WE ALL SHALL KILL GAMMA

Enchant always picks 1

this is false, but there is this from a previous game:

Subject: Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [scum pt]

Let's pick same number (which is common one, not 420) so people think we are not aligned lol

which for now means basically nothing, but is worth putting in the back pocket, so to speak.

There’s also the vt pick claim which I also thought was strange as well. Why pick 1 in that case? It’s a suspicious claim even if he didn’t pick 1.

[kitten around]

Kitty flipped.

how did that impact your reads

And I put him to E-1, and then NM hammered him. Yet another nonsensical reason to be scumreading me.

[kitten around]

Did not see that at all, I was sure Porkens was the last scum. Sorry Enchant, I really did think it was you. :/. It’s definitely not me and I don’t think it’s NM so maybe I’m wrong on Dann?

I honestly have no idea what to think here because I expected either NM or myself to die last night.

If it is actually Dann, I think I may give up on ever trying to read him.

[kitten around]

What I don’t understand though is if it is Dann, he could have easily gotten Porkens to hammer me so why not kill NM then? Is it kind of a wifom kill? Because I would have probably voted Porkens over Dann depending on how Dann played it.

So if it’s you Dann, you totally misplayed it.

I just wonder why Dann wouldn’t kill NM here.

[kitten around]

1940

marking this for post game

This post is making me really paranoid if it is Dann and I’m just an idiot.

[kitten around]

I don’t think it’s NM so maybe I’m wrong on Dann?

what exactly about NM has you feeling this way?

Well I know it’s not me and I don’t know why NM kills Porkens? Am I wrong on you Dann because my theory is whomever between the two of you is scum, killed him to frame me and you were tr him over me and I can see you killing him over NM because it would make you look bad if he’s actually right on you.

[kitten around]

Also he was right about you not posting, so yeah I think it’s more likely to be you than NM but I want to hear from him first before I vote because in case it is NM fooling me, I don’t want the dead thread screaming at me post game.

So I want to hear your cases for why you’re both town and the other is scum, to help me make up my mind.

[kitten around]

please do not lol vote me if you're town NM

I will give this some attention later tonight or tomorrow

NM lolhammers not lolvotes generally. It’s not me Dann and the fact that you can’t tell that is concerning me. Why are you not asking me not to vote you?

[kitten around]

Dann how do you not have any thoughts wrt to who you think is more likely to be scum here? All is NM don’t vote you. Have you no other thoughts?

[kitten around]

kitten if I was scum I would just tell you what you wanted to hear all game and never once consider you as scum

but I don't actually know your alignment so I have to be careful

I don't know why you think I'd try to frame you when NM is very likely to just vote me at the start of the phase

I guess that’s possible. I really don’t want to be wrong here. I hate being in elo when I’m not confident.

[kitten around]

Well if NM votes me, then it probably is him. If he votes you, than I really don’t know.

[kitten around]

please do not lol vote me if you're town NM

I will give this some attention later tonight or tomorrow

NM lolhammers not lolvotes generally. It’s not me Dann and the fact that you can’t tell that is concerning me. Why are you not asking me not to vote you?

NM has vote parked me for the last 2 phases or so

I right now think it is more likely that you are town but I'm not ready to make that decision yet because it's fucking F3 and I've fucked up in this exact position locking you as town wrongly before

so forgive me if I need a little time

and I was asking NM not to vote me because chances are he votes me in his first post here

which is fine if he's scum but there is an off chance he's town

If you are town here, then there’s 0 chance he’s town and vice versa.

I have been blatantly obv towntelling since I replaced into this slot.