Micro 1066: Treestump Express [game over]

[Pavowski]

STUMP ME DADDY

VOTE: Una

[Pavowski]

vote count 1.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-11-25 19:45:00).

firing

innocentvillager [2]:

Moonview, Dannflor

Aisa [1]:

Una

Elements [1]:

JunkoChan

Una [1]:

Elements

not voting [4]:

innocentvillager, Nona1510, Pavowski, Aisa

mod notes

~ Nona1510 has (expired on 2022-11-19 08:00:00) to confirm their role pm before i start looking for a replacement.
~ i'm using the vote counter because i'm lazy, yell at me if there's any errors
~ this is a mod note.

flavour

Mine do

I can vouch, I saw iv's scumchat once. Things got weird

[Pavowski]

Wild if true

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Pavowski

Why tho

UNVOTE:

Why tho

[Pavowski]

Anyway I wanted to say it as I entered the game but you guys were already memeing and I hate to miss the memephase --

This is my first game in a while and I had to come back to get some mileage out of the sweet weird avatar Dats made me

[Pavowski]

I am not voting for Elements or Aisa for at least 3 days because their avatars are adorable

IV is adorable too but not new to me so you're on the hook, sorry

[Pavowski]

I missed you all, didn't I? All I want is somebody to banter with and I'm just going to post with myself and then fall asleep over here, alone forever

[Pavowski]

*twirls into the night*

[Pavowski]

I like Pavowski for town
I want to tr nona but those three posts could easily be from scum

And Pavowski's grand total of eight posts could not come from scum?

It is so weird to shade somebody for only having 8 posts at this point in the game. What are we, like, sixteen hours in?

I mean there would be more but nobody was around to meme with last night

It's ok, I'll prove to you that I'm town soon enough

Unless you know it already

Cheeky bunny

[Pavowski]

@nona calle it pre-lamist

I like to create tendencies

Create tendencies? I'ma go Dalek here

Explain

[Pavowski]

yeet

[Pavowski]

Im allowed to be wrong on Mondays Tuesdays and Thursdays

I let this slide yesterday but it's Friday now, what's your excuse??

[Pavowski]

When I am here no pagetop is safe

[Pavowski]

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins

You caught this before I could point it out. If anything it's probably more of an argument for scum!Dann as averting the quick hammer is a tasty way to win some cred

But by the same token it's an argument for town!Dann

I lean more toward town at the mo

[Pavowski]

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?

if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early

Huh, I actually hadn't considered that but yes, that's something scum can do.

So

only put people at E-1 if you're ok with them dying

. I will side-eye you if you do it too early

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

I finally see what you mean. (We're considering a hypothetical in which Una was at E-1 for longer than 10 minutes.) You mean the possibilities are
> 0-1 scum on Una's wagon - in which case, why did it not get hammered?
> 2 scum on Una's wagon - in which case, Una is town.

The issue is you're not accounting for the fact Una's wagon could have failed to get hammered

because she is scum

.

unless both scum members were already on the wagon, which I think I should note for later

The possibility of this strikes me as exceedingly remote right this minute

[Pavowski]

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

I mean, in a vacuum, 2/9

Math is a mistake

[Pavowski]

Oh God. In 179 my phone is doing its thing. I should know better than to phone post by now. Pls disregard the first big quote there

[Pavowski]

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, somehow I can't tell if I'm just explicitly saying things everyone else figured out two hours ago lol.

I'll speak for myself; Never assume I figured something out ahead of you

When I am right it's usually by mistake

[Pavowski]

When Una posts I feel like I miss 60% of what's intended

Also IV is over here being silly, what's up with that?

[Pavowski]

At least I'm not the only one.

So you like Una for town now? Did you like her for scum before?

[Pavowski]

Nona
Moon
Pavowski
Junko
Aisa
Elements
Una
Dann
IV

is where I’m currently at.

Dann and IV huh?

See this is why I expect to struggle in this game, because IV is the only player in this list that I've seen a lot of (played with Ydrasse a couple times but those games always felt fast) (might have played one with Dann). Not that I think my meta reads are particularly good to begin with.

Sorry, that's my stoned brain asking if your reads are meta or purely from the thread

[Pavowski]

Cool.

I think that Dann and Una look unaligned. IV feels extremely awkward and self-conscious. Like his reasoning for voting Una is obviously wrong yet, he hasn’t unvoted her. Like straight up, if you sr her, vote her and if you tl her, unvote.

See I would disagree on IV -- I just don't think he's gonna get that uptight right off the gun.

Sorry I have Star Trek playing in the background and the episode started off in German or some such nonsense and it almost broke my brain, because I am going on a magical mystery tour over here

[Pavowski]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

That's a full 1/6 of his posts, wild

If you were to put Dann's posts on dice, and roll them, in place of a 1 you'd have "vote: IV" and it would come up a surprising number of times

Have I mentioned math is a mistake?

Edibles may have also been a mistake tonight

[Pavowski]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

IV hasn’t been in danger but Una actually has.

could be distancing? in the case of dann/IV

Could be.

Kinda silly distancing don't you think

[Pavowski]

Not your assessment of it being silly, I mean

The distancing itself is silly

Meanwhile, why does Data look so much better in the films vs the TV series? It's striking

[Pavowski]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

IV hasn’t been in danger but Una actually has.

could be distancing? in the case of dann/IV

Could be.

Kinda silly distancing don't you think

well RVS is silly, good place to do silly things

Are you telling me

those first few pages

were not serious??

[Pavowski]

Where is Elements?

Hiding under a rock with their cute little self

[Pavowski]

Where is Elements?

Hiding under a rock with their cute little self

sounds unconfortable

Not as uncomfortable as that scum PM you're riding over there

[Pavowski]

help

[Pavowski]

Wait Moon is not Ydra?

Well shee-it

You know what we do with liars round these parts right?

VOTE: Moon

[Pavowski]

(e-2 unless I'm dumb)

[Pavowski]

Elements/Moonview?
VOTE: moonview

Moonview/IV

I think Moonview reaching out to poke and prod IV but not me (until now) is how mafia would probably like to treat each other in this setup

I don’t believe Moonview ever intended to go after him over me

I could maybe see this logic but I don't think moon/iv is the team.

I think scum!IV would be trying harder here

[Pavowski]

I am trying how mean

I didn't say you weren't trying, I said you weren't trying *hard*

Is moonview ydrasse or nah what’s the verdict

In the presence of conflicting statements from Moondrasse I'm going to spend exactly zero further effort worrying about it

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

Ok Elements, what are your thoughts on Moon, and/or what are your thoughts on Moon being e-2?

[Pavowski]

Just reminding all of us that when Una was e-1 Dann unvoted in record time, so all "Una should have been hammered if ..." arguments are moot and probably not helpful

[Pavowski]

Ok Elements, what are your thoughts on Moon, and/or what are your thoughts on Moon being e-2?

I think Moon is prob town.
2? of the votes of Moon are about her not being Ydrasse so idk what to think about that

+1

Need to catch up but that wagon is horrible. That slot is really obvtown.

Elements is also town. These two players should never be wagoned.

Pavowski, Moon is probably still Ydrasse but even if she isn’t, what is scum!Moon’s possible motive for claiming to lie about that? How does that further some kind of scum agenda in your mind? I’m well aware of lim all liars - if it even is an actual lie and not what I’m more inclined to view as probable trolling - but that’s a terrible reason for voting her.

I'm perfectly willing to be convinced on town!Moon. But obvtown? Obvtown??

I didn't vote Moon just because of the Ydrasse thing (as I said to IV shortly ago, I have expended all the fooks on that one that I'm gonna)

[Pavowski]

I'd be interested in what people not on my wagon think of dannflor.

The thing that made me think his push on me wasn't genuine was the part he said I was scum because I shitposted and that wasn't the most important thing I could post upon entering the thread. I think that's an unfair standard to hold my posting to and I don't see why Dann pushes that line of argument as town. Is my assessment there unfair?

See, I think Dann has some decent points but maybe reads them too harshly/strongly (of course we're early game here so what can we do but blow theories out of proportion, wheee). This in particular is why I am taking Dann's read with a grain of salt.

[Pavowski]

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

[Pavowski]

In my mind, I'm already there, man

[Pavowski]

I've been thinking and now how some thoughts

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?

if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early

This just seems straight up wrong? If it's advantageous for scum to hammer immediately then surely if someone is at E-1 and isn't hammered, surely that's scum indicative for the wagonned party?
With how quickly Dann unvoted I agree it's probably insignificant but as Aisa posted before the unvote that makes me think she isn't scum with town!Una. Which I'm surprised Junko didn't mention?

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

This seems so disingenuous looking back on it. Junko pointed out a reason to think Una is town, that's just wrong? then gets questioned on it leading to the above quote that isn't in any way meaningful and uses false logic. It's a soft town push on Una, that comes after the previous town push that was questioned.

this ^ is all working off an Una/Junko team. Outside of that I think it looks worse for Junko.
VOTE: Junkochan

I mean, I agree with you that Junko is pretty plainly wrong about everything she was saying there, but I think it's more town indicative than scum indicative honestly? People do not like admitting that they are wrong and generally like to stick to their beliefs in my experience. If anything it points to her being invested in her logic being right, as opposed to scum who wouldn't really care and would be fine admitting their 'deductions' were wrong since they never actually believed any of it mattered.

This kinda leans town for me on Moon, actually

This sounds like somebody making good faith efforts to sort somebody

[Pavowski]

IV, what are your reads currently?

[Pavowski]

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

Granted I don't vibe with IV's pop-in today either buuuuut

Elements/Moonview?
VOTE: moonview

Moonview/IV

I think Moonview reaching out to poke and prod IV but not me (until now) is how mafia would probably like to treat each other in this setup

I don’t believe Moonview ever intended to go after him over me

I could maybe see this logic but I don't think moon/iv is the team.

I think scum!IV would be trying harder here

I stand by this

For now

[Pavowski]

I didn't vote Moon just because of the Ydrasse thing (as I said to IV shortly ago, I have expended all the fooks on that one that I'm gonna)

I mean, you didn't give any other reason afaik.

I am allowed to have secret reasons, but just to name a few

1. I agree with Dann's points about you, generally
2. Wagons make things happen and I wanted to see what would happen
3. Una wagon experiment was over for the moment
4. The lolz

[Pavowski]

Pavowski, who do you think is scum

I think the most likely candidates at the mo are, in no particular order:

Moon
Aisa
Una

Can't get a read on Junko yet, or IV for that matter, aside from what I've already said there

I'm feeling as town for now:

Dann
Nona for some reason

I've left somebody off this list... oh it's the Axolotl -- yeah Elements is still kinda null leaning town but it's mostly a tonal read so I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in that really

[Pavowski]

I should also point out that townbinning Dann for the moment is the life decision I'm most nervous about in this game so far, but day 1 is for making mistakes

[Pavowski]

WHAT ABOUT ME, BUNNY

[Pavowski]

HELLO, TWIRLER

WHY IS EVERYONE SO OBSESSED WITH MY READ ON THEM THIS GAME ALL THESE QUESTIONS

You also have towny vibes actually

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

I wanted to ask why it is a matter of voting me when you could just, like, talk to me
Which to be fair you just did, so yeah

You were gone and, especially in the early phase, I like a back-and-forth with somebody over posting and hoping they'll read it later.

I'm not particularly obsessed with your read on me, I just noticed I was left off and, if we were scum together, that would be an issue for me, but since we're not, it's only interesting

As for my feel on you I think a lot of your posts have a hedging kind of feel and it's tickling my spidey-sense. Not that I never hedge. I mean I do sometimes, but not always, and certainly not about anything important. Usually.

[Pavowski]

Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

[Pavowski]

Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

you are so smart

Believe the hype

[Pavowski]

Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

Yeah I guess this is fair, but it also annoys me because being hedgy is a way of life for me
I don’t think I’m scared of reversing strong reads, so I don’t get this site’s general fondness for scumreading hedginess
But also yes I will try to have more reads I’m willing to stand behind soon

It annoys me too but this is the life we have chosen.

Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

This post is hedgey.

Oof, got me

[Pavowski]

Sadly, due to many components involving critical analysis of your intention, timing and comprehension of reading the thread, I have concluded making that joke makes you confirmed scum because it is not the most important thing you could have posted at this time.

VOTE: JunkoChan

I see what you did there.

Just got in from a road trip, reading back a little

[Pavowski]

Ah yes, also I think Pav can be town for now though I'd still like an answer to my last question.

IV, do you think you'll ever have thoughts about the game?

Were you talking about the question of why I don't like your hedging?

I mean I can simultaneously hold that we prejudice against hedging overmuch while also realizing the kernel of truth that hedging is not particularly pro-town.

I don't know if that answers your question. I'm a little thrown off by Moon saying I've done nothing that wasn't awful. I think at the least I've made a couple decent jokes

[Pavowski]

Are we back in the meme phase or

[Pavowski]

Aisa could you like clarify why you think the moon wagon is a mistake here?

Also I forgot to mention I'm mostly phoneposting for the next few days so my apologies in advance for typos and rogue quotes. Add it to the list of Not Good Things I've Done

[Pavowski]

Yeah I don't love that either

[Pavowski]

I think it's e-1, you beat me to the unvote

[Pavowski]

My kingdom for a VC

[Pavowski]

Well, dammit. I was not expecting that level of depth and response. If Bunny is scum I don't know what the hell to make of 434. I might have to put Aisa in the town bin. Not ready to vote Dann with you, though.

I have only in the last hour or so started thinking about the setup and it's breaking my brain regarding how the scum team should be acting here

[Pavowski]

I think there is a 22% chance that moonview flips scum here

It's posts like this that make me think Junko is less scummy, more trolly

File the e-1 vote here as well

[Pavowski]

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

Granted I don't vibe with IV's pop-in today either buuuuut

Elements/Moonview?
VOTE: moonview

Moonview/IV

I think Moonview reaching out to poke and prod IV but not me (until now) is how mafia would probably like to treat each other in this setup

I don’t believe Moonview ever intended to go after him over me

I could maybe see this logic but I don't think moon/iv is the team.

I think scum!IV would be trying harder here

I stand by this

For now

Why do you stand by that again? why me

I'm saying not you, because scum!you would not be as absent, though I once again find myself agreeing with Dann - that the time for townreading you on this basis is probably running out

Your phrasing here is weird too, "why me" makes it look like you think I'm scumreading you which is weird

Could you like, do something overtly towny so I could relax about your slot again?

[Pavowski]

@pavowski's profecy is that on the third day he would come back to vote for the bunny, do it

VOTE: Aisa

Would =/= could, don't tell me what to do!

[Pavowski]

I mean I guess I just strongly disagree with the outlook that scum is going to be off my wagon

I believe that scum would have an incentive to push my wagon through to avoid the possibility of a scum elimination on day 1, and the justifications given are very unconvincing. Obviously I am biased, but shrug that's still my perspective

You think one scum on your wagon, or two? If no scum were in the first few votes then there was opportunity for you to get voted and then the hammerer could self-stump. Probably better opportunity than there was when Una went to e-1 but maybe I'm remembering that wrong

[Pavowski]

Is Aisa at e-1 now? Jeezy Creezy can we like announce these things so the slow ones among us (i.e. me) can figure out what the hell to do? I have to decide if I'm going to vote bunny or not

pedit: damn you guys I wanted that #500 pagetop

[Pavowski]

Signing up for this was a massive mistake. Mafia is just not a fun game

We all know this and yet we keep coming back

Life is pain

[Pavowski]

I am not gonna hammer that anytime soon btw, even though I still think Aisa is a decent vote given the entire gestalt of the game.

[Pavowski]

We are now past the point where scum looking to lolhammer and self-stump could have yeeted Aisa, I think.

Unless they're already on the wagon but ... both of them? Seems unlikely.

Ponder, ponder.

[Pavowski]

I mean I am kind of expecting IV's next post to be an aisa hammer

Would be a bummer but not a shocker

[Pavowski]

Goddammit goddammit goddammit. I was about to post HEY SOMEBODY SHOULD UNVOTE

At least I'm fookin dead now, whee

[Pavowski]

My condolences to the survivors. Glad I am not among you

[Pavowski]

Junko if you'd started an Elements wagon I woulda joined it, I was past the 3 day grace period for adorableness.

I know how to solve this. I've selected a number from one to ten. Survivors all pick a number, the two closest to my number vote the third. This is foolproof

[Pavowski]

YEET

[Pavowski]

I was on elements ass this entire Game una vote Dann

if i was scum i imagine i would be very focused on distancing this setup

+1

[Pavowski]

I was on elements ass this entire Game una vote Dann

if i was scum i imagine i would be very focused on distancing this setup

+1

No egging on of hammers allowed

What is the point of being a treestump if I can't egg things on???

I joined this game hoping to get stumped, lookit my first post

[Pavowski]

Bummer ending is a bummer, man

Townies do stupid shit all the time

Pretty much my entire praxis

[Pavowski]

Thanks for modding Dats, your flavor and setups are always a hoot!

And thanks for playing all!

[Pavowski]

Thanks for modding Dats, your flavor and setups are always a hoot!

And thanks for playing all!

+1!

+2!

Not you, sneaky axolotl, you're on the list!

Awww who am I kidding, I can't stay mad at you, you're adorable

[Pavowski]

I'll yeet a pagetop in the post game I don't care