Micro 1066: Treestump Express [game over]

[JunkoChan]

I know this game is happening

[JunkoChan]

@Una are you scum this game?

[JunkoChan]

I feel like Dannflor would struggle with scumclaim gaemplay.

tru

[JunkoChan]

this is the way VOTE: Elements

[JunkoChan]

flavour

thanks for the nightmares.

[JunkoChan]

I'm scum with Una

I told them I was scum and still won would be a fitting youtube tittle

[JunkoChan]

in all seriousness though

VOTE: Una

this is the slot that most feels like she's trying too hard

this means she lied to me?

@Una SAY IT AIN'T SO

[JunkoChan]

Oh Elements is town

explain

[JunkoChan]

hello, no reads yet really but don’t really understand the scumreads on either Una or Elements?

I call Lamist on this one

[JunkoChan]

You’re lamist

no u

[JunkoChan]

hello, no reads yet really but don’t really understand the scumreads on either Una or Elements?

I call Lamist on this one

You clearly don’t understand the term if that’s your take on this.

idk, maybe?

[JunkoChan]

@nona calle it pre-lamist

I like to create tendencies

[JunkoChan]

@nona calle it pre-lamist

I like to create tendencies

Create tendencies? I'ma go Dalek here

Explain

what's dalek?

it just felt like they were going through that path, if I call it before it happens looks cooler post game (if I'm correct)

[JunkoChan]

Maybe I'm picking up what Junko is and using diff words

my english is not good enoush to understand what's going on with me in this post

UNVOTE:

dann is town

[JunkoChan]

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

[JunkoChan]

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?

if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early

[JunkoChan]

I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins

[JunkoChan]

dann is town

why would you say this

I mean, am I wrong? let me know, that would make my life much easier

[JunkoChan]

I told you I'm scum with Una!!

no I just want you to explain because I haven't done anything this game

I already explained what came to mind, I think you are smart enough to come to the same conclusion, if you were scum, you wait, tell the other person to hammer, and boom we are on yeetlo

playing longcon is suboptimal as scum

[JunkoChan]

unless both scum members were already on the wagon, which I think I should note for later

[JunkoChan]

I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins

anyway, since this was the case, this might not mean nothing, or it might mean everything

[JunkoChan]

I just checked timers tho, Una was at E-1 for less than 10 mins

anyway, since this was the case, this might not mean nothing, or it might mean everything

this might mean nothing*

[JunkoChan]

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

[JunkoChan]

like I said, it might mean nothing, but at least we gained something from this interaction

[JunkoChan]

like I said, it might mean nothing, but at least we gained something from this interaction

Yeah I agree it's a really interesting interaction, thank you for pointing it out.

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

I have words about this if it becomes relevant again, but I won't go down this rabbit hole for now, lol.

P-edit: Pavowski thank you for your service

haha wabbit hole, I don't mean to either

[JunkoChan]

[JunkoChan]

@IV - what are your thoughts on Una?

Nothing sticks out maybe very vaguely townlean

Shouldn’t you be unvoting her then?

x2

[JunkoChan]

Illaoi should be the site logo

are you into tentacle kinky stuff?

[JunkoChan]

My league references have no power here

depends on what rank you are

[JunkoChan]

Oh fuck

[JunkoChan]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

[JunkoChan]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

IV hasn’t been in danger but Una actually has.

could be distancing? in the case of dann/IV

[JunkoChan]

dannfloor has voted IV 3 times already

IV hasn’t been in danger but Una actually has.

could be distancing? in the case of dann/IV

Could be.

Kinda silly distancing don't you think

well RVS is silly, good place to do silly things

[JunkoChan]

Where is Elements?

[JunkoChan]

Where is Elements?

Hiding under a rock with their cute little self

sounds unconfortable

[JunkoChan]

Where is Elements?

Hiding under a rock with their cute little self

sounds unconfortable

Not as uncomfortable as that scum PM you're riding over there

I would actually be pretty confy riding that

[JunkoChan]

that sounded a bit sexual

[JunkoChan]

I'm sorry

[JunkoChan]

Elements/Moonview?
VOTE: moonview

[JunkoChan]

Blah I am somewhat less confident you are scum

Can you explain what made your elements read go from fine to top town

Nothing, top town is just a low bar here.

You are putting someone who's entire contribution to the game is a naked read list

[JunkoChan]

Elements/Moonview?
VOTE: moonview

Moonview/IV

I think Moonview reaching out to poke and prod IV but not me (until now) is how mafia would probably like to treat each other in this setup

I don’t believe Moonview ever intended to go after him over me

Possible

[JunkoChan]

I've been thinking and now how some thoughts

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?

if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early

This just seems straight up wrong? If it's advantageous for scum to hammer immediately then surely if someone is at E-1 and isn't hammered, surely that's scum indicative for the wagonned party?
With how quickly Dann unvoted I agree it's probably insignificant but as Aisa posted before the unvote that makes me think she isn't scum with town!Una. Which I'm surprised Junko didn't mention?

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

This seems so disingenuous looking back on it. Junko pointed out a reason to think Una is town, that's just wrong? then gets questioned on it leading to the above quote that isn't in any way meaningful and uses false logic. It's a soft town push on Una, that comes after the previous town push that was questioned.

this ^ is all working off an Una/Junko team. Outside of that I think it looks worse for Junko.
VOTE: Junkochan

it took you this long to come up with an omgus?

[JunkoChan]

shocking VOTE: Elements

[JunkoChan]

Also will start catching up now! Ask questions if you have any!

@Junko I don't you've explained why Elements is scum?

I mean, my initial vote was meant to poke, and now that I got an answer I don't like it.

[JunkoChan]

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

see you on day 3

[JunkoChan]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89811&user_select%5B%5D=23244

Aisa town. Her posting is completely different in this game.

[JunkoChan]

Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

you are so smart

[JunkoChan]

Why am I on a bin? I'm not trash

[JunkoChan]

Why am I on a bin? I'm not trash

In USA bin doesn't have much association with garbage, in UK and probably Australia it has that association.

I live in USA

oh, my englihs teacher was austrailian, so that must be it

[JunkoChan]

english*

[JunkoChan]

should I put moonview at E-1?

[JunkoChan]

let's see, head count! who is here?

[JunkoChan]

should I put moonview at E-1?

Do you have original thoughts on why Moonview is scum?

no I don't

[JunkoChan]

What makes you confident Moonview is scum over, say, IV?

Good things come to those who wait.

I think IV or you are the other mafia fwiw

[JunkoChan]

HELLO, TWIRLER

WHY IS EVERYONE SO OBSESSED WITH MY READ ON THEM THIS GAME ALL THESE QUESTIONS

You also have towny vibes actually

Also y'alls can sign me up for some sus on the bunny, I don't vibe with the little hop into the thread here this evening

But I said I'd wait three days to vote there and I am a dude of my word

I wanted to ask why it is a matter of voting me when you could just, like, talk to me
Which to be fair you just did, so yeah

Overeaction.

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: moonview

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE: moonview jk jk

[JunkoChan]

Sadly, due to many components involving critical analysis of your intention, timing and comprehension of reading the thread, I have concluded making that joke makes you confirmed scum because it is not the most important thing you could have posted at this time.

VOTE: JunkoChan

amogus

[JunkoChan]

Aight VOTE: moonview

[JunkoChan]

I bet you didn't see that one coming huh

[JunkoChan]

Well I'm not "ending it" per se

I just felt like making things interesting

[JunkoChan]

Also in the case of junko!scum I would have to be the one to hammer because i said what i said

[JunkoChan]

Well I'm not "ending it" per se

I just felt like making things interesting

very interesting. incredible work

I know i know, thank you thank you

[JunkoChan]

No, that was E-1 now it's E-2

[JunkoChan]

How many votes does Moonview have UNVOTE:

Actually this looks fake because i already voted moonview before and that wasnt your reaction

[JunkoChan]

Did you lie to me Una?

[JunkoChan]

And I think this game has a lolhammer incentive someone mentioned

I'm aware of that, whoever said that must be a genius

[JunkoChan]

I think there is a 22% chance that moonview flips scum here

[JunkoChan]

@pavowski's profecy is that on the third day he would come back to vote for the bunny, do it

VOTE: Aisa

[JunkoChan]

Are you going against the profecy???????

Preposterous

[JunkoChan]

Lord give me the strenght to not punch this man in the face

[JunkoChan]

Can you guys stop putting people at E1 for five seconds

No, it gets the blood running

[JunkoChan]

I really find it difficult to believe that was actually the extent of your reasoning and you weren't trying to engage at all or explain anything even at the point I was getting run up to E1

Like seriously how is it such a crime to say I'm not impressed by someone's posting. It wasn't as if he was some sort of universal scumread that it was completely redundant to bring up as I had already pointed out at that point

I'm not impressed by your posts either

[JunkoChan]

I feel saltyness in your posts even tho you are not the one being voted here, like you feel that you are about to lose

[JunkoChan]

Is Aisa at e-1 now? Jeezy Creezy can we like announce these things so the slow ones among us (i.e. me) can figure out what the hell to do? I have to decide if I'm going to vote bunny or not

pedit: damn you guys I wanted that #500 pagetop

Yes, Bunny is at E-1

[JunkoChan]

Signing up for this was a massive mistake. Mafia is just not a fun game

K

[JunkoChan]

You 2 better vote eachother i don't want any fking wifom on my name

[JunkoChan]

Or i'll just toss a coin and vote one of you

[JunkoChan]

Junko help me

Vote Dannfloor or i'll vote You right now

[JunkoChan]

@dannfloor @una if your next post is not a vote for the other i'm voting You istg

[JunkoChan]

hot take junko is a wolf

Shit the fk up, i said from the beginning that elements was fishy af

[JunkoChan]

my 3p record is Bad

I Warnes You VOTE: dannfloor

[JunkoChan]

It's Dannfloor then

[JunkoChan]

I was on elements ass this entire Game una vote Dann

[JunkoChan]

I was on elements ass this entire Game una vote Dann

if i was scum i imagine i would be very focused on distancing this setup

You never voted elements

[JunkoChan]

Even tho they were fishy af

[JunkoChan]

I'm not gonna case shit, vote dann for the win, vote me for throw

[JunkoChan]

There's a whole week I probably won't vote dann today
I mean vote anyone today

As long as you vote Dann is okay

[JunkoChan]

Like 126 doesn't even contain anything that determines whether someone is town or scum

Maybe I'm picking up what Junko is and using diff words

my english is not good enoush to understand what's going on with me in this post

UNVOTE:

dann is town

Why would i put dann i'm the 3p if i posted that I wrongly townread him, is stupid

Why would I put una if i at some point said i also townread her

I'm just scapegoat here ffs

[JunkoChan]

Junko presenting like they hard pushed elements all day is so disingenuous

shocking VOTE: Elements

Also will start catching up now! Ask questions if you have any!

@Junko I don't you've explained why Elements is scum?

I mean, my initial vote was meant to poke, and now that I got an answer I don't like it.

like this was the extent of her push on elements

a few posts later she is asking if they should El-1 moonview

I said moonview/elements and you persuaded me from it, and who You didn't want to tr? Elements

[JunkoChan]

You're kinda posting like you townread me

I mean it doesnt make sense to scum read you unless you are stalling??

Like there's no point not to vote dann or me if you are scum

[JunkoChan]

I think if I'm scum with elements in this game I always let you have the moonview/elements solve

I'm pushing moonview anyway why do I care if I get some extra distancing in

also I don't know why what I said would be so convincing to Junko in any universe

This is bullshit

[JunkoChan]

It would be great if y'all would both townread me and then the stumps could solve the game for me and I just press a winbutton on Sunday or Monday Aisa pls

Una we are voting eachother, if You are scum You vote one and win

So there's no point in townreading You, we already are

[JunkoChan]

If i was scum I wouldn't be in this 3p after i said 1 mafia should lolhammer

I'm not bad at all as scum

[JunkoChan]

Una vote dann or i'll vote You, i'm not waiting 7 days

[JunkoChan]

Nor i'm fighting dann's bs

[JunkoChan]

The one thing i didn't want this game was to end up in 3p i'm not dealing with that

[JunkoChan]

If the team were elements/Dannflor, I'm probably the one looking to end game right? Like if you go off post volume and just like the fact that I'm an annoying tryhard if one of us were angling for F3 it would probably be me out of the two of us. Thus, if I'm scum, I'm going to be playing for that from the start of the game.

1) I wouldn't try to persuade Junko that elements shouldn't be in her solve. That accomplishes nothing in terms of "saving" elements because elements was never in any danger and only makes me look worse come the end of the game.

2) I wouldn't never *not* vote my scum partner in a game where people are specifically going to be looking at my associations with flipped scum.

3) I had the chance to not post and let elements have a chance to hammer Una on page 6 of the game. This is probably the single most +EV move for scum in this setup and I didn't take it.

4a) In a game

where every single dead townie gets tree stumped for F3

why on earth would I hard push not one but two townies? Especially in not super charitable ways? I did not make either Aisa or Moonview like me or be inclined to town read me and while it may be nice to say that treestumps will have no influence in F3 I don't think that's true in practice.

4b) I did not play this game to make friends. I've been on a kick recently of really trying to improve my read accuracy(lol) and kinda eschewing the more traditional aspects of my playstyle and this game is super emblematic of that shift. I think one of the strengths of my scum game is that I'm decent at pocketing people and being *likable* and that is not something that I went for this game.

In conclusion, I am town

VOTE: Una I dare you

[JunkoChan]

I'm not waiting 7 days to be voted anyway

[JunkoChan]

not giving Dann the satisfaction, take it, good job

[JunkoChan]

I mean Una made it pretty clear she was leaning towards voting me

I'm sorry if my posts were getting frustrating to read but I kinda had to play hard to win this

There was no reason to play against your win condition

doesn't really feel like this was earned

it wasn't

[JunkoChan]

It would be great if y'all would both townread me and then the stumps could solve the game for me and I just press a winbutton on Sunday or Monday Aisa pls

this is the way VOTE: Elements

Una vote dann or i'll vote You, i'm not waiting 7 days

Don’t really like this.

My reads currently

Una, most likely to be town, then Dann, than Gth, I think Junko. 49 could be distancing but this vote shouldn’t be rushed.

I think 624 sounds more like a scumpost than a townpost. I think Una is probably the least likely to have treestumped me. Junko probably the most likely. At any rate, I don’t townread 624. I saw scum try to rush elo once, so that’s never a good look. Good luck to town.

If I weren’t a stump, I wouldn’t rush the day and take as long as needed but if I could vote and had to vote rn, I’d probably vote Junko because all scum needs is one vote on anyone and Junko also not caring whether or not it’s Dann or Una is also bad.

I mean put yourself in my shoes, you see that 2 townies fail to realize that Una is conf-town the moment dann and I vote eachother and she doesn't instahammer

and then said townie who is supposed to make a desicion says f u I'm out till monday

yeah super fun and encouraging to play

[JunkoChan]

part of me was actually hoping that Una was just scum stalling, because of how mindblowing that was

[JunkoChan]

una "most likely town" fk me dude

[JunkoChan]

I'll make sure to not care