Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[KittyTacky]

Meow! I played with some of you before but much of this list is new (or I guess alts).

VOTE: Scoliosis

[KittyTacky]

OK wait nvm I think this is scum.

VOTE: Toto

[KittyTacky]

jk

VOTE: Scoliosis

[KittyTacky]

I am in a very manic state today so bear with me lol.

[KittyTacky]

Mhm.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: val
I like 19

@val why is the vote a scumclaim ?

If you like that post then why are you wagoning?

[KittyTacky]

Whoops.

[KittyTacky]

I missed it.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

Scoliosis, answer my question. If it's gut then say it's gut. But don't dodge the question.

[KittyTacky]

My Scoliosis townread is kinda eroding ngl. The last 2 posts just seem to be looking to be made to start an early push (it's 2 pages in) on pretty flimsy reasoning.

[KittyTacky]

My Scoliosis townread is kinda eroding ngl. The last 2 posts just seem to be looking to be made to start an early push (it's 2 pages in) on pretty flimsy reasoning.

What exactly changed here for you though or rather why strikes it to you as less townie than before? I think so far it looks to be in character with Scoliosis, going by what we have seen from him so far. (ftr I think it's null)

I just... don't feel this kind of latching on early is a townie thing to do? Maybe it's just their meta tho.

[KittyTacky]

Not really sure tho. It's just weird.

[KittyTacky]

Trying to create content in RVS counts as obviously town? Man I gotta try that next time

Yes, i think that's very townie
+ you can tell he's thinking abt the game and trying to understand how other people are trying to solve it (or not)

Do you think he's scummy or just don't particularly believe he's townie ?

I just felt like on a re-read his arguments felt like bad faith pushes.

[KittyTacky]

Fairly easy to fake this "towntell" as scum imo.

[KittyTacky]

Trying to create content in RVS counts as obviously town? Man I gotta try that next time

Yes, i think that's very townie
+ you can tell he's thinking abt the game and trying to understand how other people are trying to solve it (or not)

Do you think he's scummy or just don't particularly believe he's townie ?

I just felt like on a re-read his arguments felt like bad faith pushes.

Nitpicky doesn't feel like the right word but it's the closest one I can find.

[KittyTacky]

Trying to create content in RVS counts as obviously town? Man I gotta try that next time

Yes, i think that's very townie
+ you can tell he's thinking abt the game and trying to understand how other people are trying to solve it (or not)

Do you think he's scummy or just don't particularly believe he's townie ?

I just felt like on a re-read his arguments felt like bad faith pushes.

Fairly easy to fake this "towntell" as scum imo.

What makes them badfaith?
And a few people indicated that they hadn't seen the ic post, including myself. Are all of them scummy? If not, why is scoliosis?

1. The val push is unexplained and they ignored my question completely, imo they made it up.
2. Scoliosis clearly at least tried to look like they paid attention-- if they were actually tryharding as town they'd have noticed the post.

[KittyTacky]

I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky

Can you expand on this?

Idk why people think church is scummy
I think herta is scummy
I don't like kittytacky's scoliosis push - i don't get how he lost the initial townread so fast, especially since it partially seems based on scoliosis 'not ressponding to kittytacky's question' when he hasnt posted at all since 20, it's not like scoliosis is avoiding kittytacky in particular

Like ig i'm kinda confused how kittytacky can start off liking 20 and then move to disliking it when other people find it scummy without scoliosis posting anything in between

It's early. The game is easy to re-evaluate. I re-read things and come to new conclusions about posts. Also being frozen is a thing.

[KittyTacky]

Though, I feel like Kitty could've liked 20 when he first read it and changed his mind on a reread.
It's probably NAI imo.

Yeah.

[KittyTacky]

Biggest change for me over the last few pages is that I townread val and innocent villager now. Val asked me some questions I'm going to answer later today, knock on wood.

Explain that change.

[KittyTacky]

Church town, herta town. Vibes, mostly.

[KittyTacky]

I just don't "feel" scum Church.

[KittyTacky]

can you share your mafia leaderboard placings

If this site had an Elo system I'd have like 10 Elo.

[KittyTacky]

Reads list coming soon ish.

[KittyTacky]

I don't think her gripes were tone-related at all?

Trying to create content in RVS counts as obviously town? Man I gotta try that next time

Yes, i think that's very townie
+ you can tell he's thinking abt the game and trying to understand how other people are trying to solve it (or not)

Do you think he's scummy or just don't particularly believe he's townie ?

I just felt like on a re-read his arguments felt like bad faith pushes.

Fairly easy to fake this "towntell" as scum imo.

What makes them badfaith?
And a few people indicated that they hadn't seen the ic post, including myself. Are all of them scummy? If not, why is scoliosis?

1. The val push is unexplained and they ignored my question completely, imo they made it up.
2. Scoliosis clearly at least tried to look like they paid attention-- if they were actually tryharding as town they'd have noticed the post.

1. They didnt post again at all tho, why are u treating that like they were ignoring you?
2. I feel like it was easy to miss and you're applying an arbitraty standard fo scoliosis that you aren't applying to other players

1. Fair enough, my mistake, but now they posted again and genuinely ignored me so I was right.
2. It wasn't easy to miss if you were tryharding that hard. Someone who put so much effort into the game would surely have noticed. I don't think anyone else did that early, or at least it was prompted by Scoliosis.

My vote is parked now. I think you're above town equity if Scoliosis flips red because would scum, especially an experienced player like you, hard defend a buddy from an early wagon?

[KittyTacky]

It's early. The game is easy to re-evaluate. I re-read things and come to new conclusions about posts. Also being frozen is a thing.

I think it's kinda weird to come to a totally different conclusion abt the same post at that point in the game when the pkayer in question hadnt posted anything at all in between

In-depth reread =/= shallow skim.

[KittyTacky]

At this point I'm ok with Val/Ger/Ydra as the Elimination target today.

I think it is fair to infer unwind is claiming voteless at least for D1. Voteless is generally a town role but they are scummy as hell to so don't mind Eliminating them either.

There's no voteless in normals.

[KittyTacky]

I ... don't know what i was thinking, i read all of those posts but for some reason thought 41 42 happened right after 20 and before 24

I think i had iso'd both and somehow conflated post numbers, but that's my bad

I feel better abt kitty then

:thonk:

[KittyTacky]

Sleep well.

[KittyTacky]

Like imo the fact that Scoliosis didn't realize Toto was IC either from the modpost, the green color in the VC, or my shitposting, despite (trying to appear like) tryharding... is just scummy. In a vacuum neither would be scummy, but together it screams fake as balls.

[KittyTacky]

Responses in bold because I cba to split quotes.

Trying to create content in RVS counts as obviously town? Man I gotta try that next time

Yes, i think that's very townie
+ you can tell he's thinking abt the game and trying to understand how other people are trying to solve it (or not)

Do you think he's scummy or just don't particularly believe he's townie ?

I just felt like on a re-read his arguments felt like bad faith pushes.

Fairly easy to fake this "towntell" as scum imo.

What makes them badfaith?
And a few people indicated that they hadn't seen the ic post, including myself. Are all of them scummy? If not, why is scoliosis?

It's early. The game is easy to re-evaluate. I re-read things and come to new conclusions about posts. Also being frozen is a thing.

I think it's kinda weird to come to a totally different conclusion abt the same post at that point in the game when the pkayer in question hadnt posted anything at all in between

I don't believe that any of the posts between skitter or KittyTacky are genuine from either side. I feel like skitter seems to be throwing reads around at random unless they are talking about KittyTacky, and with KittyTacky I feel like they are very precise about pointing out what exactly is wrong with his posts, yet there is a lack of meaningful aggression towards him.

I don't feel aggression towards people I feel are just wrong townies. My playstyle.

Plz see next post

Whoops.

Did you not read the next post?

I missed it.

This interaction also felt awkward and artificial. I'm only bothering to bring this point up because moments of forced distancing seem to appear continuously between KT and skitter.

I miss things quite a bit, how else would I explain myself?

[KittyTacky]

It would help if someone else tried to figure the game out. Val and Skitter seem to be on a nit pick contest. I like unwnd more recently but I get the sense they are good scum and can pull this off.

Scol seems to be the only one doing some actual thinking and has some sort of town stance. Everyone else is perma afk

I'm not perma-afk, I just do catchups in bursts.

[KittyTacky]

replacing Testarossa.

This player was in the game?

[KittyTacky]

Hi Pooky.

[KittyTacky]

The string of derp-phase-like "nothing" posts surrounding that post is honestly NAI for everyone involved imo. Easy for scum to blend in but also town can naturally engage.

[KittyTacky]

this is an average game

No the normals I remember being in were not this... lackluster. This is like an open game lmao.

[KittyTacky]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

[KittyTacky]

Biggest change for me over the last few pages is that I townread val and innocent villager now. Val asked me some questions I'm going to answer later today, knock on wood.

Explain that change.

No sorry, I've decided you're a clueless town and Pookythebear is taking advantage of your vote, and I prefer not to waste my time answering your questions since it seems clear your mind is already made up.

OK ad hominem. My mind is only made up because of interactions like this one, if you cared for engaging with me, maybe I'd have changed it. Vote stays parked...

[KittyTacky]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

Yeah maybe this is the issue, like the way they interact with everyone is just... huh?

[KittyTacky]

Scol I'm 80% sure is scum, skitter 70% sure just wrong town.

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.

No it isn't.

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

This is scum ate and not really convincing in my eyes.

No it isn't.

It's possible that it isn't. I think it could be unwnd instead of pookythebear who is taking advantage of your blind tunnel, I'm a bit conflicted between those two.

What's the e there. imo you're just doing the Mafia equivalent of r/iamverysmart by throwing out terminology while being dismissive of anyone who points out contradictions or asks you to explain a bit more.

My mind is only made up because of interactions like this one, if you cared for engaging with me, maybe I'd have changed it.

No it isn't, you are completely confbiased, it's very easy to see.

I have a quite open mind nowadays and am willing to admit to being wrong, I just think you are scum due to your dismissiveness here.

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.

Pooky explained in 532.

EBWOP

Didn't get to it at the time, sorry. It makes sense but I'd rather Scol first.

[KittyTacky]

And the townread on me is a pocket/appeasement attempt. Not falling for that bait.

[KittyTacky]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.

is this actually scummy?

Yes imo.

[KittyTacky]

I've asked you to elaborate three times now and instead you want to throw potshots at me. I know this might seem like a impossible task, but get yourself straight

They're just scum who had people see through their bull and are floundering.

while being dismissive of anyone who points out contradictions or asks you to explain a bit more.

That's not true, I answer questions when I think it will be worth it. Notice how I responded differently to val than I did to you, that was because you communicated that you were asking questions because you were looking for reasons to convince yourself that you're right (or just scum going through the motions) whereas it seemed with val that they were actually reconsidering their position.

No, I asked questions to try and understand if you have a town motivation behind your pushes. I thought that much was obvious.

[KittyTacky]

You are being deeply unpleasant and I don't know if you're worth reasoning with.

Just eject them. It's openwolfing at this point lol.

[KittyTacky]

Shut the fuck up Flavor Leaf

Alt outting should be a crime.

Wait.
Are you actually FL?
I thought that you were TSE.

I don't remember FL being this... crungled.

And the townread on me is a pocket/appeasement attempt. Not falling for that bait.

This is what confbias looks like. If I don't answer a question then it's my fault because I'm belligerent, if I answer a question then it's my fault because I'm trying to appease. This is why I choose not to interact with certain players, it's just a waste of my time.

When did I say you answer questions because you want to appease? Now you're misrepping me.

[KittyTacky]

Okay bent spine.

[KittyTacky]

Giving him any sort of attention is unwise

I'm fine with relegating him to a hypothetical investigation. He's just going to continue to be uncharitable and mostly flippant in reads. It's not worth dealing with and I empathize with pooky 100%

Nah it's scum behavior, yeet him today.

[KittyTacky]

That's just Flavor Leaf in his natural smarmy habitat

The weird part is that I don't remember FL being this r/iamverysmart-core.

[KittyTacky]

Is ger really just a null slot? he’s totally capable of doing shit as town and here he’s don’t really contributing much/driving his own opinions, just kind of lurking existing

that random wall post kind of just felt like out of the blue randomly prompted to provide content for the same of it, probably from his teammates or self consciousness or smthng

Geraintm thinks day 1 is useless and just sits around like a lemon for the entirety of it, every game without fault. A playstyle quirk.

[KittyTacky]

BTW is anyone town reading freedom?

Me, on vibes mostly.

[KittyTacky]

Scum team is geraint KittyTacky and skitter30

Good night

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

It would confirm my half baked meta knowledge that geraint is just abnormally lackluster even if he doesn’t think he is readable day 1

I once played with him and he put in even less effort than here day 1.

[KittyTacky]

And was town. I think. I don't even remember what game that was but I remember gera being crungled.

[KittyTacky]

What is crungled for the boomers out there

It's hard to explain. Sort of a mix between acting weird/demoralized in the context of mafia. One of those weird neologisms.

[KittyTacky]

I refuse to vote Gera rn, he has consistently shown to play like this as town D1 and I don't do policy lims. He always gets run up for shit takes like clockwork. Get Scol instead.

[KittyTacky]

Scol has more than default scum chances. Gera has default scum chances. It's basic math, someone who makes alll their play NAI D1 is more likely town than someone actively scummy.

[KittyTacky]

If Gera is town he will become smarter come D2.

[KittyTacky]

Yo, close your eyes, IMAGINE its day two:

Scenario A) 99.9%: we murdered Scol, he was scum. Poor Toto got shot.

Scenario B) 0.1% we murdered Scol, he was town. Poor Toto got shot.

Who is scum now?

I don't SR Scol though.
His confidence reads as Towny.

Have you heard of the term "powerwolfing"?

[KittyTacky]

I am aware I look very bad if the coin flips tails and gera is actually scum, I just think what he's been doing is completely NAI because he thinks D1 is irrelevant.

[KittyTacky]

Yo, close your eyes, IMAGINE its day two:

Scenario A) 99.9%: we murdered Scol, he was scum. Poor Toto got shot.

Scenario B) 0.1% we murdered Scol, he was town. Poor Toto got shot.

Who is scum now?

I don't SR Scol though.
His confidence reads as Towny.

Have you heard of the term "powerwolfing"?

I have not tbh.

Powerwolfing is when a scumbag appeals to the same reaction you just exhibited. Bravado, confidence, dismissiveness, etc.

[KittyTacky]

It works because people go "oh look he's seemingly not caving, he must be town" when Scol is barely solving if at all.

[KittyTacky]

My new scumteam is like Dannflor KittyTacky Herta (???)

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

let’s take gera off the table because i’m thinking myself into a tr there because he actually was around and didn’t try to like shirk the pressure by lurking among other stuff

herta or scol which one is the worst

Scol far worse imo. I just don't see town acting that way.

[KittyTacky]

But Scol should claim.

[KittyTacky]

If Gera is town he will become smarter come D2.

I refuse to vote Gera rn, he has consistently shown to play like this as town D1 and I don't do policy lims. He always gets run up for shit takes like clockwork. Get Scol instead.

Posts like these

I see.
I guess I can see why iv thinks that Kitty is whiteknighting.
It does look like Kitty is defending gera as Scol was the counterwagon.

I defend Gera because this behavior is NAI for Gera and he's more likely town than scum here.

[KittyTacky]

He claimed VT. Just yeet him now.

[KittyTacky]

I feel freedon is still getting some free passes.

Freedom is town.

[KittyTacky]

My computer broke and just got fixed, catching up.

[KittyTacky]

I feel freedon is still getting some free passes.

Freedom is town.

Tell me more

Vibes and they seem genuinely solvy. I townread mostly on vibes.

[KittyTacky]

I defend Gera because this behavior is NAI for Gera and he's more likely town than scum here.

I'm sorry, but I can't see geraintm's play coming from town here anymore; unless he is consciously and deliberately throwing this town game in return for an easier time of it in their next scum game - which frankly is an absolutely shitty thing to do to those of us playing this one. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but I didn't see a refusal to claim being a feature of his D1 play previously and this in particular is a game where we have an IC hinting, if not explicitly claiming by 1075, that they are also an informed IC with info that can help evaluate the veracity of role-claims.

To my eyes, this goes both ways: it makes it harder to for scum to fakeclaim, but it also means town

should

claim in this position, since there is a higher than usual chance of a role-claim, particularly an unusual one, passing the ICs sniff-test and in this particular scenario, since the info is unknown in advance and the source of it when outted is mod-confirmed trustworthy, that being treated as sufficient town-evidence to dodge the lim that might otherwise come.

Yeah the no claim stuff is... iffy imo and is making me doubt that read.

I still think Scol is (bussing?) scum.

[KittyTacky]

But then again, why would scum not claim VT or like, a weak PR or something, even if they have no fakeclaim ready? What does scum have to gain from refusing to claim?

[KittyTacky]

It's easy as piss to make up a fakeclaim as scum on the spot, I know it from personal experience.

[KittyTacky]

Gera is still borderline throwing if town...

[KittyTacky]

This day got confusing fast.

[KittyTacky]

If I claim a role, then town flails to a different bad wagon.
It may well force another town member to claim, all good for scum.

If I claim vanilla and town forces through an elimination of me, well you can all deal with that outcome because there was nothing I could have done today to stop that.

So I repeat I think it is best for town that I not claim.

CLAIM.

FUCKING CLAIM.

YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T CLAIM.

YOU DON'T WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE, DO YOU?

[KittyTacky]

like i can see how scum him thinks

1) claim vt get limmed

2) claim a role get caught on nightplay somehow or get caught for surviving too long

and then decide its better to not claim

town him deciding oh im not gonna claim because if i claim a role then you guys will

run someone else up

is whack because he literally wants us to run someone else up

without

him claiming and getting pinned to something.

Surviving longer > getting killed immediately for not claiming. I think this could be just irrational town-- but maybe just irrational mafia.

[KittyTacky]

If I claim a role, then town flails to a different bad wagon.
It may well force another town member to claim, all good for scum.

If I claim vanilla and town forces through an elimination of me, well you can all deal with that outcome because there was nothing I could have done today to stop that.

So I repeat I think it is best for town that I not claim.

CLAIM.

FUCKING CLAIM.

YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T CLAIM.

YOU DON'T WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE, DO YOU?

I don't want to die no. Being green, I want to survive.
I have also said repeatedly that I am not going to claim a roll, I think scum switching through wagon after wagon to get multiple claims doesn't help town.
I have also said if I do make a claim, eliminate me on the spot.

I do think my day 1 thinking is at the extreme wing of mafiascum play, I acknowledge that. And many will.call it irrational, but it is what I think..
I've tried all through today to tease out why people are voting for me and respond when there is an actual argument or point out when there is no obvious reason for their vote. But people haven't engaged with these attempts and people are now fixated on the claim thing and I am giving no one a blank cheque to say "we had to vote them because they were stubbon" as a GOOJFC.

That switch can hit scum! But if we don't switch we will hit town... if you're town, you know you are town. So you lower the expected value of day 1 even more with your play. Oh my God this is just horrible play and it's been nuking my townread of you.

Here's an ultimatum.

Claim within 4 hours or I hammer, and thus (assuming you're town and not scum trying to play off your town meta), a townie dies. No ifs, ands, and buts. Your next post should contain a full claim. Any claim will result in me not hammering or voting you without another good reason.

[KittyTacky]

Flashbacks to Town of Salem and people not claiming on stand. This is just TOS in slow-motion.

[KittyTacky]

I really hate policy votes and especially policy hammers, but if that is what tit takes to squeeze out a claim...

[KittyTacky]

Tit takes.

[KittyTacky]

If I claim a role, then town flails to a different bad wagon.
It may well force another town member to claim, all good for scum.

If I claim vanilla and town forces through an elimination of me, well you can all deal with that outcome because there was nothing I could have done today to stop that.

So I repeat I think it is best for town that I not claim.

CLAIM.

FUCKING CLAIM.

YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T CLAIM.

YOU DON'T WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE, DO YOU?

I don't want to die no. Being green, I want to survive.
I have also said repeatedly that I am not going to claim a roll, I think scum switching through wagon after wagon to get multiple claims doesn't help town.
I have also said if I do make a claim, eliminate me on the spot.

I do think my day 1 thinking is at the extreme wing of mafiascum play, I acknowledge that. And many will.call it irrational, but it is what I think..
I've tried all through today to tease out why people are voting for me and respond when there is an actual argument or point out when there is no obvious reason for their vote. But people haven't engaged with these attempts and people are now fixated on the claim thing and I am giving no one a blank cheque to say "we had to vote them because they were stubbon" as a GOOJFC.

That switch can hit scum! But if we don't switch we will hit town... if you're town, you know you are town. So you lower the expected value of day 1 even more with your play. Oh my God this is just horrible play and it's been nuking my townread of you.

Here's an ultimatum.

Claim within 4 hours or I hammer, and thus (assuming you're town and not scum trying to play off your town meta), a townie dies. No ifs, ands, and buts. Your next post should contain a full claim. Any claim will result in me not hammering or voting you without another good reason.

Kitty you hate policies but isn't this literally threatening a policy hammer...? I'm confused

Because 1. My townread has been eroded by this braindead play, like sure scum has no reason to do this but neither does town. 2. I don't see another way to get a claim out of Gera. Anyways, since Gera probably didn't come online yet, the ultimatum's deadline has been extended by 8 hours. I'm going to sleep, if I wake up and there's no claim from Gera I will hammer.

[KittyTacky]

Nice throw, Gera! At least it wasn't a strong PR... but this is why you fucking CLAIM in such situations.

VOTE: Scoliosis My vote is still parked.

[KittyTacky]

Don't really think scum throws their entire team on gera is the point I'n making

Gera practically made a jester play. I don't think scum being all on him is as implausible as scum being all on town usually is.

[KittyTacky]

Legit losing braincells thinking about the evaluation that would lead to a VT essentially taking the bullet for a wagon they have no way of knowing is scum or town, when he KNEW he was fucking TOWN.

[KittyTacky]

I just want Scol out. I never "went back", my ultimatum only had the purpose of squeezing out a claim from Gera, which failed. Don't let Scol slip into the shadows with his silence.

[KittyTacky]

carrot to stick for wolf what dat

Lim bait.

[KittyTacky]

Any idea who you think Scol's mates could be KT? Doesn't need to be exactly associative, I just want to know what your other scumreads are

I may be tunneled but I'm in that situation where I don't get super bad vibes from anyone else. It... might be skitter maybe? The defense was a bit clumsy on a re-skim of the relevant posts. But the question is if scum would hard defend a partner so early.

I will post a reads list tomorrow but rn I'm phone posting from bed. Good nyaight.

[KittyTacky]

Scum skitter

Distancing?

[KittyTacky]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

He wasn't urgent... why would he be? A borderline gamethrowing townie took the bullet for him.

[KittyTacky]

The quotes speak for themselves

♔ ♕ ♖ ♗ ♘ ♙

[KittyTacky]

Sell me on scum!Kitty.
He seems all right to me.

He's scum hiding in a fake tunnel on me for the wifom. It's not super common but seems like an appealing niche for him considering:

I'm tunneled on you because YOU'RE the one hiding, behind dismissiveness of my request to clarify your reads.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

In my opinion, kt was free to go either way with his read on me as of this post. It wasn't until skitter got herta to elaborate what he townreads kt for in 93 that kt decided he would stick with his tunnel on me, since he realized that would get him townread and require little effort.

I see.
I think I get it now.

It was early as balls, I reevaluated the game and saw the post as scummy the second time around.

[KittyTacky]

Scum skitter, kt, pooky

I will vote whichever one of my scum reads will actually reach 7 votes. I think voting someone other than those three names might be a throw, unless I'm making another terrible mistake.

VOTE: pooky

VOTE: pookythebear

Scum jumping on misguided town wagon.

[KittyTacky]

BTW Scol's unexplained turnaround of me smells of scum trying to eliminate a threat.

[KittyTacky]

*on me

[KittyTacky]

First I'm clueless town for one reason, now I'm scum for the same reason?

[KittyTacky]

There's an explanation, sure, but it doesn't make much sense given his prior actions around me imo.

[KittyTacky]

Don't really think scum throws their entire team on gera is the point I'n making

Gera practically made a jester play. I don't think scum being all on him is as implausible as scum being all on town usually is.

Legit losing braincells thinking about the evaluation that would lead to a VT essentially taking the bullet for a wagon they have no way of knowing is scum or town, when he KNEW he was fucking TOWN.

I just want Scol out. I never "went back", my ultimatum only had the purpose of squeezing out a claim from Gera, which failed. Don't let Scol slip into the shadows with his silence.

First I'm clueless town for one reason, now I'm scum for the same reason?

There's an explanation, sure, but it doesn't make much sense given his prior actions around me imo.

I expected you to re evaluate more than the above with the flip and the night actions and the time away from the game if you are town. I was expecting to see something from you which looked like insight or effort at the start of today.

I think sticking with your d1 scum read shows you aren't confident you will be believed if you fake a new scum read. I'm sure you know 1389 isn't a reason to scum read someone because it's easier to keep repeating the same lie than it is to constantly invent new ones.

Nothing about the flip indicates to you being any less scummy than you were before.

I'm sticking with my scumread because imo nobody is as scummy as you. You jumped onto a townie wagon. Scum does that all the time.

This is just more empty words. Lim this.

[KittyTacky]

Pooky town imo.

[KittyTacky]

Readslist soon.

[KittyTacky]

You jumped onto a townie wagon. Scum does that all the time.

Especially when said townie essentially self-destructs.

[KittyTacky]

Idk Pooky and Scol both feel kind of scummy today, Scol’s scumminess sort of started yesterday

I kinda doubt it’s SvS though? I mean maybe? But unlikely

I think I want to vote in these two slots today so I’m interested in how this fight develops.

Yeah I hate to break it to you (not really, I love it) but I'm expecting you to carry this game and I'm not intending on fighting it out with my scum reads. I feel like you've come close to solving this game two or three times now and I feel like I'm potentially throwing you off trail with my stinky "scumminess." I don't know what to say other than that it isn't me, I swear.

*vomits*

[KittyTacky]

The power cut out in my house before I could make a reads list yesterday, sorry.

CONF TOWN
Toto - Toto is the IC.
KittyTacky - I'm town.

TOWN
PookyTheMagicalBear - his reads and progression make sense, also vibes.
innocentvillager - vibes and also seems very solvy.
Freedom - vibes, seems uninformed.

TOWN LEAN
Val89 - been liking the play around gera, seems uninformed.
unwnd - slight vibes

NULL
Ydrasse - idk.
Herta - I've been unable to read Herta at all.
Dannflor - also idk honestly.

SCUM LEAN
skitter30 - don't like the play around Scol on a second read.

SCUM
Scoliosis - dodging questions repeatedly, being dismissive, lots of empty words and manipulation.

[KittyTacky]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

Agreed

Again, why would he be urgent if a townie essentially jumped onto the gallows and hanged himself? He was in no danger as long as gera didn't claim and kept being stubborn.

[KittyTacky]

BTW Scol's unexplained turnaround of me smells of scum trying to eliminate a threat.

I mean it isnt really unexplained, he thinks i'm scum and has been harping on you as a potential partner on me for a while

Also i'm not sure he views you as a threat either

I mean I am leading the push. And he only started harping on that once I doubled down on him.

[KittyTacky]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

Agreed

Again, why would he be urgent if a townie essentially jumped onto the gallows and hanged himself? He was in no danger as long as gera didn't claim and kept being stubborn.

Scum often lurks when pressure drops off. Good scumtell.

[KittyTacky]

Scol is focusing on me because I tend to be LHF town due to my weird playstyle.

[KittyTacky]

Hello Firebringer. Your slot was... deflated.

[KittyTacky]

Hope you're easier to read than Dann.

[KittyTacky]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

He just deflated lol. But scum deflated, not town deflated.

[KittyTacky]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

He just deflated lol. But scum deflated, not town deflated.

Can you elaborate on your Pooky townread? Do you have prior experience with Pooky?

1. I just think his playstyle is fundamentally townie, especially if Scol flips scum. Would scum bus in the D1 situation? I was basically the only one pushing Scol that hard until Pooky joined in. Would scum doom a teammate when he could just try to discredit me? I suppose if Scol is town, Pooky stonks aren't that high but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
2. Yeah, a game or two.

[KittyTacky]

is kittytacky still alive.
Obvious town there.

I got killed by scum, vigged, babysitter'd, hider'd, and also modkilled. All at once.

[KittyTacky]

The main thing that stops me from wanting Scol is just how absolutely dead the gamestate was at EOD. gera was likely to go through but not at all certain. If Scol was scum I would've expected more activity/more urgency from both Scol and his team to move towards gera.

Agreed

Again, why would he be urgent if a townie essentially jumped onto the gallows and hanged himself? He was in no danger as long as gera didn't claim and kept being stubborn.

A little earlier on, before the whole not claim thing, it wasnf obvious who was going to get flipped and nobody was particularly trying to save scoli

Scol is an alt, he probably knows gera's style and that gera is bigger LHF than even me.

[KittyTacky]

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

I see.
Personally, I'd expect Town to be efforting more under pressure to save themselves.

I mean at least I often just kinda deflate as scum when I'm sinking. As town I fight until my last breath.

[KittyTacky]

Scol meta probs different but jsyk.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Scoliosis
be back tomorrow morning.
Thats E-1 since IV unovted.

[KittyTacky]

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

I see.
Personally, I'd expect Town to be efforting more under pressure to save themselves.

I mean at least I often just kinda deflate as scum when I'm sinking. As town I fight until my last breath.

I agree with this.
I feel like Scol seems to not really be fighting his wagon.

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

I see.
Personally, I'd expect scum to be efforting more under pressure to save themselves.

EBWOP

So do you think this is scummy or not? You seem to be indecisive.

[KittyTacky]

Pretty sure scum crumples under pressure more often than town. I don't have any concrete stats to back this up but it's a hunch I have.

[KittyTacky]

Because a lie is hard to keep up when you're being constantly shot at.

[KittyTacky]

Though this goes beyond deflated, he deadass stopped posting lol.

[KittyTacky]

And if he does post all we will get is more question dodging, manipulation attempts, and rudeness. Just hammer.

[KittyTacky]

They exhibit the vibe i described above
I think scum would be trying more, and not checking out due to lack of patience or from getting annoyed

um do you even know who he is?

him not trying is very scum indicative.... town!him basically never shuts up

Who is he?

I think alt-outting is rude but you should be able to figure it out yourself if you try

He was outed before here.

[KittyTacky]

Pooky is fucking town. I refuse to vote Pooky.

[KittyTacky]

I will park my vote on Scol until either of us die (or there's like a TI guilty or something).

[KittyTacky]

Can we agree that giving up / lurking to avoid getting hammered is NAI and move on. Everything is freaking NAI.

No.

[KittyTacky]

Pooky is fucking town. I refuse to vote Pooky.

How certain of this are u

85% ish.

[KittyTacky]

Maybe even 90%.

[KittyTacky]

Not only that, his push seems uninformed.

[KittyTacky]

I just don't "feel" Pooky scum at all. I try to look at his actions from a scum perspective whether Scol is scum or town and it doesn't make much sense? I don't see it.

[KittyTacky]

If we ignore Scol, does your TR still hold?

Yeah.

[KittyTacky]

Scol is scum = Scol wouldn't be under so much pressure if not for Pooky and could have lived-- I don't even think he would be so demoralized if he didn't have 2 people heavily pushing on him so I don't think it's a bus. Would have been easy to dismiss it as "KT tunneling as usual".

Scol is town = seems too aggressive to be a scum push on town imo. Scum is usually a bit more careful with pushing town. Recklessness is town.

I can't fully ignore Scol per se since so much of Pooky's content revolved around him, but his alignment doesn't matter here.

[KittyTacky]

Scum would probs defend Scol regardless of alignment, which is why I kinda sus skitter.

[KittyTacky]

Or stay in the shadows atl.

[KittyTacky]

I'm down if Scol flips scum, but Scol first.

[KittyTacky]

ok is it just me or does scoli feel like scum who gave up

He just deflated lol. But scum deflated, not town deflated.

Can you elaborate on your Pooky townread? Do you have prior experience with Pooky?

1. I just think his playstyle is fundamentally townie, especially if Scol flips scum. Would scum bus in the D1 situation? I was basically the only one pushing Scol that hard until Pooky joined in. Would scum doom a teammate when he could just try to discredit me? I suppose if Scol is town, Pooky stonks aren't that high but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
2. Yeah, a game or two.

Kitty I asked originally you this and i wasnt like super convinced by this because it feels like you think Scol is scum so therefore Pooky is town

Which I kind of agree with but Scol being scum is a fairly big if?

Not fairly big imo, I just don't at all see town acting that way. And I said "especially", not "only" if. Even if Scol is town I think Pooky is town.

letting someone lurk off or disappear the pressure on them is -_-

I used to sweat Town of Salem, when someone stops talking on stand, they're 95% of the time guilty and the other 5% is they're a dumb/throwing townie. Now in forum mafia it's not as reliable, because people can be busy or super demotivated, but overall the tell holds imo.

[KittyTacky]

I just don't "feel" Pooky scum at all. I try to look at his actions from a scum perspective whether Scol is scum or town and it doesn't make much sense? I don't see it.

He pushed Scol because he wants to miselim a townie (if Scol town), why is that not from a possible scum perspective?

Why not watch said townie self-destruct (and be destroyed) and pin all the blame on another townie (me)? Why risk yourself by interfering with a Kitty deathtunnel? Scol is weak enough that he won't need any additional help to die.

Sorry for multiquotes mobile responding to multiple quotes super annoyjng

Not only that, his push seems uninformed.

Can you try to put into words why his push seems uninformed?

Vibes. It just smells that way. I can't really explain it but I saw bussing and scum pushing townies in action and it's not quite the same wording.

Scol is scum = Scol wouldn't be under so much pressure if not for Pooky and could have lived-- I don't even think he would be so demoralized if he didn't have 2 people heavily pushing on him so I don't think it's a bus. Would have been easy to dismiss it as "KT tunneling as usual".

Scol is town = seems too aggressive to be a scum push on town imo. Scum is usually a bit more careful with pushing town. Recklessness is town.

I can't fully ignore Scol per se since so much of Pooky's content revolved around him, but his alignment doesn't matter here.

I think recklessness by itself isnt that exciting of a reason to me, scum can push recklessly too

They're less likely to ime.

[KittyTacky]

I originated the push, not Pooky, I'd have kept pushing and someone else would have probably joined in. Maybe I'm overestimating myself.

Alright.

I believe Pooky when he says he tries harder aa town.

[KittyTacky]

people remember different things differently
and tend to be the protagonist in their own story

Yeah I often forget how exactly previous days went.

[KittyTacky]

Hello Math.

[KittyTacky]

It's not Pooky. I can't see Pooky. I am willing to concede Pooky may be scum if Scol is town but I want Scol first.

[KittyTacky]

Why the fuck are we voting Pooky when Scol is lurking it up. This is what scum wants.

[KittyTacky]

Can you explain the Pooky SR again?
Pedit: @Math

Sure latest VC has wagon on inactive.

We have majority of game town blocked based on prior postings.

This means if prior suggestion true scum are desperate

My friend isn’t on the wagon and is on Pooky.

Pooky pushed inactive. Matches premise

So Pooky is a good vote IMHo.

Why is pushing an inactive scummy? Read Scol's ISO.

[KittyTacky]

Im kind of shocked at how easy it was to start the Pooky wagon

unwnd/math might be scum trying to lolpush a wagon started by wrong town imo.

Why the fuck are we voting Pooky when Scol is lurking it up. This is what scum wants.

Are you sure that you're not getting confbiased now?

Yes. Why are we voting an active player when someone who is scummy as balls is literally frozen?

[KittyTacky]

My solve: Scol/skitter/unwnd(??)

[KittyTacky]

Pushing an inactive is scummy when there’s a large townblock because there’s no accountability right or wrong.

It’s a “we had to” if it’s wrong and it’s a “scum bussing for cred” if right.

It does nothing towards solving the game’s remaining non conf slots.

It’s a great way for scum to avoid giving associatives.

He only started mega lurking once he got run up so that argument is moot. Read the game, or at least Scol's ISO.

My solve: Scol/skitter/unwnd(??)

… I am unwd

I know.

Why the fuck are we voting Pooky when Scol is lurking it up. This is what scum wants.

I am doing it because Pooky is scumming it up.

So is skitter.

Scol is likely town as that’s a bad push

Explain the case on Pooky again, I don't get it.

[KittyTacky]

Sorry I'm just pissed that someone I think is town is being pushed for no reason when there's a literally useless slot who scummed it up for 1.5 days whose wagon stalled. And still lingering rage at gera's throw.

[KittyTacky]

Pooky is pushing lowhanging fruit.

IV scumread Pooky

I hard TR IV.

Pooky finds scum not easy elims.

In short Pooky is better than poking at someone who is “easy”. He then susses me for not reading when not having read

If he had read then he wouldn’t be sussing me

Same with you.

Explain how Scol is town then. What about his posts is town.

[KittyTacky]

Scol is not a newbie. Scol is an alt of an experienced player (probably FL, outed before).

[KittyTacky]

Okay how is Pooky scum? Your scum case on Pooky relies on Scol being LHF town and not scum, but how is Scol LHF town? That's circular reasoning.

[KittyTacky]

vote count 2.08

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-12-15 15:00:00).

yeet

Scoliosis [5]:

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse, Firebringer, Val89

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]:

Scoliosis, innocentvillager,

Toto

, MathBlade, skitter30

skitter30 [1]:

Herta

not voting [1]:

Freedom

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ this is a mod note

flavour

Toto = conf town
IV = omg so town
Me = town

Conf town all not on Scol

Ergo Scol is a scum wagon

Because confirmed town can never be wrong.

[KittyTacky]

Scum is on every early wagon, what's your point.

[KittyTacky]

Besides, we don't know if you're town so that's unconvincing, it's not 3 conftown it's 2 conftown.

[KittyTacky]

You could well be scum defending your buddy.

[KittyTacky]

Scum is on every early wagon, what's your point.

It’s D2 so not early wagon.

Mathematically there’s a great change of half more scum

Makes Scol a bad wagon

Yes if I trust you to be town. I don't.

[KittyTacky]

gtg

[KittyTacky]

IV, vote Scol. It will help sort Math and Pooky.

[KittyTacky]

so when the townblock is voting for the person you suspect its because the person you suspect is a scumbag

when the townblock is voting for a person you dont suspect its because ??????

When scum don’t hammer on easy points then it’s because they know they’d be outed because three conf town on wagon. They can’t hammer Scol

IMO this constant repeating of "three conf town" is scummy. How do we know

you're

town? To me it's 2 conf town which means nothing.

[KittyTacky]

I don't remember Math acting like that, scum or town. Just going full tilt on a bizarre "case".

[KittyTacky]

Who are you and why did you kill Math and take his account?

[KittyTacky]

I'm not voting Math today but if Scol flips scum, it's him or skitter as my limpool tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

math saying nonsense is like literally every town math game ever

Yeah but not like this. This is some manic-state-tier nonsense.

[KittyTacky]

Lol I have been on record several games pushing Pooky is almost impossible when Pooky is town.

this is like salem witch trial levels of logic here

This whole game so far has been like a TOS game in slow-motion so it makes sense.

[KittyTacky]

so when the townblock is voting for the person you suspect its because the person you suspect is a scumbag

when the townblock is voting for a person you dont suspect its because ??????

When scum don’t hammer on easy points then it’s because they know they’d be outed because three conf town on wagon. They can’t hammer Scol

IMO this constant repeating of "three conf town" is scummy. How do we know

you're

town? To me it's 2 conf town which means nothing.

If you’re really making this argument you’d be arguing just 1 conf town Toto.

It’s little things like this that make me sus you and Skitter

No because IV is town to me and you're... not.

[KittyTacky]

People just throw words around like circular argument

I demonstrate it’s not

Then people just bring up a new “gotcha”

It kinda makes me not want to explain anything.

Well it indeed turned out to not be a circular argument but instead just faulty logic.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I don't think this replacement will save that slot.

[KittyTacky]

Also read further for why Scol is scum.

[KittyTacky]

Dismissive, dodged questions, tried to manipulate people, when I and Pooky doubled down D2 (he didn't hang D1 only because gera threw and refused to claim) he went completely silent and thus got replaced.

[KittyTacky]

Share with the class.

[KittyTacky]

Well, I am afraid I don't, and repeating yourself if the same manner you have been won't make me do so.

I accept there is probably (almost certainly?) 2, but 3 is where I am having difficulty.

Like, If I was to say to you my favourite hobby was to complete cryptic crosswords on my Commodore A600 whilst also studying a foundation degrees in both criminology and neuroscience; all while stroking my cat Waffles, you would say to me "But Val, a vintage machine of that era is possibility capable of allowing you do all that!"; and I wouldn't blame you if you unloaded your fury upon me for telling such blatant porkies, right?

13 alive D1. 12 alive into night.

The test results said 12 alive D2, not 11.

*blinks*

How does that make you town? Quit trolling. It really looks like you are grasping at straws to save Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

Like, If I was to say to you my favourite hobby was to complete cryptic crosswords on my Commodore A600 whilst also studying a foundation degrees in both criminology and neuroscience; all while stroking my cat Waffles, you would say to me "But Val, a vintage machine of that era is possibility capable of allowing you do all that!"; and I wouldn't blame you if you unloaded your fury upon me for telling such blatant porkies, right?

The reason why you would be furious is because maybe, just maybe, you would have believed my story if I hadn't been stuffing it with superfluous details; like the bit about the pet on my lap.

Speaking of cats, what did you think about Ydrasse's entrance coming into today?

No I am not furious. Just confused.

And so are we.

Also catching up later because phone posting is pain.

[KittyTacky]

12 -> 10 kill a conf
10 -> 8 kill a conf
8 -> 7 (no elim here as it is MELO if 3 scum)

So there’s still a conf town in elo

Which is why I am making a big deal of it.

Me, IV, Toto all conf town because 12 alive, not 11. Look at my opening.

How do we know you are conf town?

[KittyTacky]

This is the Mafia equivalent of Time Cube.

[KittyTacky]

will hammer in 8 hours

VOTE: Enchant

Sorry I was late.

Someone hammer.

[KittyTacky]

Can we please elim Skitter now?

This depends on Enchant's alignment.

[KittyTacky]

arent all the mafia ninjas

Yeah there may be a town ninja or two but MB claiming ninja doctor is hmmmmm.

[KittyTacky]

im confused

No one died N1. I am a doctor who saved IV.

Hence IV = thread mason hence I will never vote him.

How do we know mafia didn't try to kill IC and you're not mafia gambiting?

[KittyTacky]

Maybe I'm just stupid but like. How is skitter scum for this.

[KittyTacky]

Skitter, he’s town

Even if it’s not mechanically confirmed no scum plays like this

No one does this as scum

Ugh. I just don't really know about Math. I want Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

Math is not in my lim pool today as the risk is too big.

[KittyTacky]

I'm a macho, so there being a doctor makes sense.

Either scum did not nk, or someone prevented scum from nk, and if they did I was not the target.

If there is no CC he is a doctor. Because otherwise I would not be macho.

Toto would be dead if scum shot at Toto.

Yeah I saw it after I made that post. I believe you.

[KittyTacky]

there's nothing townie in enchant's entire iso and skitter handwaving it to vote me with her #1 scumread is pretty lulzscum

Enchant seems oddly resigned for a rep into a slot that's constantly under fire. I'd think town would put in more effort.

[KittyTacky]

Like it's mostly banter and some jokes.

[KittyTacky]

there's nothing townie in enchant's entire iso and skitter handwaving it to vote me with her #1 scumread is pretty lulzscum

Enchant seems oddly resigned for a rep into a slot that's constantly under fire. I'd think town would put in more effort.

Kitty is scum, i recognize this pattern of providing nothing of value by attacking already doomed slot to give impression he does something.

If I drop off pressure, you might make off unscathed.

And if I stopped attacking you, you'd find a reason to "scumread" me for that, because you are scum and your reads are fabricated. This is an omgus (amogus).

[KittyTacky]

Guys let's be blunt.

I just got called mafia for accusing Kitty for his recent posts. Because he is obvtown. Thing is: I didn't read expect for page 1, mod posts and random ISOs.

Yet i supposedly should had received idea he is obvtown. And accuse him. Therefore i am mafia.


Or in recent posts Kitty showed "obvtown" nature? I disagree.
But who cares?

Don't make wild accusations without reading 90% of the game then.

[KittyTacky]

I tunnel as town too, the difference is that as town I tunnel on people who I think are actually scum.

[KittyTacky]

How am I "useless whack agreeing with things"? I've been trying to solve, it's just that a lot depends on your slot alignment.

[KittyTacky]

Meh.

I'm getting cold feet.

UNVOTE:

IV can you make up your mind on what to do with Enchant. While I don't agree with everything Math said, building a town murderblock sounds like a good idea.

If you weren't IC I'd be scumreading you for this post jsyk.

[KittyTacky]

Enchant isn't trying as hard as town!Enchant would imo.

[KittyTacky]

Don't feel very good about Pooky still. I wanna watch that slot's actions some more.

Skitter could still be scum whiteknighting for LHF town who was likely gonna die for towncred.

[KittyTacky]

Math town.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: skitter30

[KittyTacky]

I feel KT needs to be reevaluated after yesterday's flip.

Me too.
I'm still on vacation rn so don't expect much from me but I feel like Kitty was pretty focused on Scol.

I may have gotten tunneled, but Scol played like shit and acted like scum.

[KittyTacky]

I'm not going to sheep a wagon that's imo not super scummy regardless of who is on it. Town is uninformed by definition and can be wrong.

[KittyTacky]

Skitter first imho.

[KittyTacky]

You know what? I genuinely didn't think of that. The night actions make sense for scooky.

Fuck it. VOTE: Pooky

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[KittyTacky]

What is the mafia doing?

[KittyTacky]

Maybe even 90%.

Kitty why did you think he was town again so strongly and why did you flip on him to hammer?

I have to admit this is when I started reconsidering my bloodlust a little on Pooky

That read kinda eroded by the time of my turn-around, and Fire's argument convinced me. I can change my mind on things, you know?

[KittyTacky]

Although i think you can probably build something
That wouldn't necessarily be able to solve it fully
But can give you an edge

Would that be cheating?