OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[Enchant]

DIdn't read setup, i am Dark Angel. Powerole i guess.

[Enchant]

I just noticed i lose if i am noble.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell

Restart game?

[Enchant]

That's joke

[Enchant]

DIdn't read setup, i am Dark Angel. Powerole i guess.

That’s funny because I am the Dark Angel

[Enchant]

Or we can try to elim mafia and win with DA.

..........................

[Enchant]

HEAL: Not_Mafia

[Enchant]

I am absolutely gonna think District Attorney every time I read DA. I blame Dick Wolf.

Is there any reason the town should even worry about the DA? They seem at worst a net neutral for town. Am I missing something?

Nominating DA as Nobility wins game for town instantly.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Porkens

[Enchant]

I am hidden noble

bruh

[Enchant]

BTW giving not_mafia and enchant 4 votes does look like the optimal play for mafia regardless of their alignment. Anyone that reaches 2 votes today can get lolhammered.

So I'd refrain from voting until we get our shit together.

3 votes.

Majority is 7.

[Enchant]

Don't tell me you really still want to police me and NM.

[Enchant]

We have 1/10 chance to win today if we noble the DA.

Not mafia and enchant are not the da. Meaning the chances of them being mafia are 1/11 as opposed to 1/12 for everyone else.

why you are so horrible at math.

11 people alive. 2 nobled.

1/8 if you exclude self. You are not Dark Angel... Right?

[Enchant]

But i don't want to sheep your not_mafia vote.

[Enchant]

But i don't want to sheep your not_mafia vote.

then what do you want to do?

Right now i counting what we should do.

[Enchant]

counting?

Yes.

[Enchant]

wdm

i really counting

[Enchant]

no offense but your posts feel like they've been through google translate 5 times

and I would know about that, my english is not perfect

the word "counting" doesn't make sense for me

well i am not native speaker, but i used right word

[Enchant]

i count chances to hit DA

right now they are not really in our favor

[Enchant]

i count chances to hit DA

right now they are not really in our favor

good, okay, I agree, so now help me vote not_mafia, so we can kill the scum

case?

[Enchant]

Tell me atleast one person, who can't be cased by this.

[Enchant]

Tell me atleast one person, who can't be cased by this.

Junkochan

You underrate my powers

Either way, i finish counting and then will vote.

[Enchant]

The hidden noble does not appear in the Vote Count.

Wait @Enchant can you vote someone?

I've been over and over this and this:

An appointed hidden noble is informed they are a hidden noble, and has a hidden extra elimination vote. Hidden nobles count as one person for elimination majority.

And I can't seem to sync the two statements. The note in the VC says that the hidden noble doesn't appear in the VC, but the game instruction says that only the vote is hidden, not the hidden noble themself. At least that's the way I read it.

And then, how can the hidden noble count as one person for elimination majority but still get a regular vote plus a hidden vote?

Does anyone know of other iterations of this setup I can review? I'm not going to ask the mod yet to clarify until that's the only option left. Or can anyone explain this to me?

My vote silently counts as two and second vote doesh't register for majority.

[Enchant]

Then what's the utility of the second vote?

You misunderstand.


NM counts as TWO people alive right now. That's why there's 12 alive right now.
I count just as one, while still having two votes.

[Enchant]

I get that, but I don't understand that if your second vote doesn't count for the elimination why have it? What does it do?

It counts for elimination, it's not considered for majority.

Right now there's 12 votes. NM vote counted twice. My vote counted just once, but still doubled.

[Enchant]

It means by fact there's 13 votes.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Elmo

Why are people voting Junko? I still don’t understand the srs?

@NM? @Enchant?

~Nancy

NM probably just OMGUSing and he is only one who voting. Others seems to be intemidated by our combined doublevote power.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Elmo

Why are people voting Junko? I still don’t understand the srs?

@NM? @Enchant?

~Nancy

NM probably just OMGUSing and he is only one who voting. Others seems to be intemidated by our combined doublevote power.

Okay thanks, I didn’t understand why she had two votes on her.

Who you want to vote

[Enchant]

If you was mafia who gived me hidden noble, who you would be?

[Enchant]

I would have picked you for sure. I think not mafia picks you too. You’d pick you. Anyone setting up an elim on me would too. You are essentially an agent of chaos so why wouldn't mafia pick you lol.

I didn't express wish to vote you, but you wanted both us dead d1, so maybe makes sense.

Enchant whats your read on the bear?

More likely town than not, but it's hard to read people for me.



Either way, game so stagnant, i do this:
VOTE: Elmo

[Enchant]

Anyone but NM.

[Enchant]

Why Elmo though?

[Enchant]

Yeah idk this game is hard to read. Do you think he is more likely to be mafia than the DA? What if he is the DA
and we accidentally take him out?

After considering, i think DA is more matter of luck than really finding them. Atleast i have no idea how to search for third parties.

If he is DA, well, he is DA. Does it mean we need to noble everyone before killing them? Because so far, everyone can be DA. Well, except me and NM.

[Enchant]

Reminds me about this game with jester where EVERY SINGLE SCUM just acted like jester and town like "oh god they can be jester, don't lim them".

Then i just went "I don't care" and voted one of them. He was Jester. I was pissed off so much.

[Enchant]

Well in PYP which just ended, NM nailed last scum and tunneled them for end of game. Naturally no one listened to him.

NM is hell not readable, but actually can have good ideas.

[Enchant]

Really weak-weak suspicion based on gut. I want to look how it ends.

[Enchant]

Hey Herta

[Enchant]

Hello, everyone!
I'll try to catch up asap.

Actually, 16 pages is too long.

By the way, do you think that we should be trying to make Dark Angel, the Noble?
Or is that not a good idea?

Seems to me that you read setup if you know about Dark Angel. And you also know Nobling DA is good if you suggest it.

Yet you ask this question. Why?

[Enchant]

So why you question if this good idea if it instawins game for town?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Freedom

Well that's hammer

[Enchant]

Mafia decided to be obnoxious instead of competent.

[Enchant]

I think all nobles are town. Mafia actions point at that.

[Enchant]

@Enchant

so you're saying scum is in Eira, Herta, Polar, Toto, Tapiocaphobe and Junkochan?

Correct. It's only theory though.

which of these two, then, would be the most likley scum?

Need to think this over.

which of these the most likely DA?

Need to think this over.

why would scum nobilize N_M for a second time, forgoing a shot at an extra kill?

Elmo and N_M were made nobles my a mass process. To say they're not scum cause of this.... meh. And then there's you: Nobilizing self and then saying this exact thing is a very convenient way for scum! enchant to survive.

They are not scum because we choosed them as nobles, but because how mafia acts.
I am not entirily sure. Killing outside of nobles and nobling noble sounds counterintuitive. But i think nobling NM was to not give us additional information which boost our chances of nobling DA. As additional bonus, NM will abuse his vote.


They also possible thinked we will avoid going eliming outside of nobles due fear that we kill DA. So they seems to want us to elim noble while nobling someone from list above. If we do so and fail, then mafia most likely will not miss.

[Enchant]

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

[Enchant]

I have no idea why Tapia was choosed as DA, for me it's randomchoice. I don't know way to deduce DA but reluctance to be noble.

Bear shows reluctance to be noble.

"hm"

[Enchant]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

How is Enchant completely ignoring this?

~N

Incorrect, i saw this post.


Why you panicking? I just hmed on you and you panicking.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

[Enchant]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

I think you know I’m not DA and don’t want to heal Tap because you don’t want town to win.

~N

I have no idea.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

I think you know I’m not DA and don’t want to heal Tap because you don’t want town to win.

~N

I have no idea.

Why am I more likely to be DA than someone who has no trs amongst the non-nobilized?

And what did you think about what I said about Elmo - saying Porkens is town, then after he flipped town - suddenly one scum between him and NM?

You’re just pretty much ignoring everything I’m posting. Why?

~N

Because you react rapid on my mere suggestion.


I don't care how much you point about how you played and when you did that and how you did that, value of you pointing this is zero, if not negative.
If you know how you act as town, you can fake it. I am not going to fall on this.


By the way, i have shit memory. So expectance me to remember LOST which i just brutally lurked out is funny.

[Enchant]

I still have no clue why it point at Tapio being DA.

[Enchant]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

[Enchant]

I still have no clue why it point at Tapio being DA.

Because she has no trs amongst the non nobilized. She also didn’t think you were nobilized because scum thought you were DA, when it’s right there in the OP that it’s in mafia wincon to nobilze DA. I think NM could be right that maybe he got nobilized because mafia figured it out.

~N

Mafia figured out that they get benefit in nobilizing DA so they nobilize NM who can't be DA at all.


It doesh't make sense.

[Enchant]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

If Elmo heals Tap, maybe I will.

~N

But if Tap is DA, then game ends in our win and vote on me is irrelevant?

[Enchant]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

You more fill this bill, no?

[Enchant]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

If Elmo heals Tap, maybe I will.

~N

But if Tap is DA, then game ends in our win and vote on me is irrelevant?

If she’s DA and gets nobilized by mafia instead of elected we don’t win, so it’s in mafia’s interest not to elect DA and what about my Elmo/Eira reads? No opinion on any of that either?

~N

I think Eira town, not sure about Elma.

[Enchant]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

You more fill this bill, no?

I made cases, gave reasons, so you should have an opinion on what I said.

???

[Enchant]

Asking about "If mafia can make self noble" looked out of place as well.

[Enchant]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

You more fill this bill, no?

I made cases, gave reasons, so you should have an opinion on what I said.

???

Why is your first instinct to doubt me rather than look at my solve? I could actually understand it if you thought it was bad or something but you expressed the doubt before having any opinion on it whatsoever.

~N

I don't consider your thought process was bad.

[Enchant]

@mod Can mafia pick one of their own for hidden noble?

No, you get your facts straight.

[Enchant]

@Eiralox

why lying

[Enchant]

I agree to die if Bear nobled.

[Enchant]

if you are nobled then you knew NM lying

why didn't say so

[Enchant]

surprised i saying this but don't speed game

i don't have time now

[Enchant]

so let's elim and noble remaining two?

[Enchant]

MathBlade - Noble
Herta
Eiralox - Noble
Polar Bear Express (Noraa & Nancy Drew 39) - Noble
Not_Mafia - Noble
Enchant - Noble
MegAzumarill


Herta or Meg are DA.

[Enchant]

MathBlade - Noble
Herta
Eiralox - Noble
Polar Bear Express (Noraa & Nancy Drew 39) - Noble
Not_Mafia - Noble
Enchant - Noble
MegAzumarill


Herta or Meg are DA.

Who’s mafia? We know that three players are scum.

~N

I don't want to talk with you.

[Enchant]

We must elim+noble Herta+Meg.


If we elim wrong and noble DA we win.
If we noble wrong, and elim DA, we atleast prevent mafia from receiving Dayvig.


Issue is who is who. I have no idea.

[Enchant]

Solve without me.

[Enchant]

I will be blunt.

NM trolling. Like 99%.

[Enchant]

I disagree with both.

[Enchant]

I will be blunt.

NM trolling. Like 99%.

Okay, maybe you are town then but we have 3 scum left, so let’s say I wrongly tr Herta and the other is Mega which I think it definitely could be because she gives me very different vibes here from E/O Killers and I was always suspicious of Junko as well but that’s still only 2 if right. We’re still missing a third scum.

~N

Wdm 3 scum left?

There's 2 mafia. +DA. And DA is Meg/Herta

[Enchant]

DA techically not scum but ok.

[Enchant]

DA techically not scum but ok.

DA 3p who’s wincon opposes town, so yeah.

~N

DA can win with town, they need to die for it though and not be nobled. So they don't really techically "Scum".

[Enchant]

Just by posting alone if we elim I would say Enchant.

bruh

[Enchant]

What in statement "We need to noble+elim Meg/Herta" you don't understand?

[Enchant]

Actually need to clarify something.

[Enchant]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

[Enchant]

DA techically not scum but ok.

DA 3p who’s wincon opposes town, so yeah.

~N

DA can win with town, they need to die for it though and not be nobled. So they don't really techically "Scum".

No they lose if they are ever nobled. A 3p who can hypothetically win with town could be a survivor but both town and mafia wincon contradict DA wincon.

Scum is any player who’s wincon contradicts town.

~N

Condemner is also not scum, but his wincon contradicts town.
Jester is also not scum, but his wincon contradicts town.

... No really give up.

[Enchant]

The Dark Angel leaves the game in a win if the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1

Assuming a town lim and not a DA noble, it goes to 3v2 at night and we lose because DA leaves.

Which means we are in MELO currently.
So actually I think I agree with Enchant that it is safest to elim/noble both me and Herta.

Maybe not.

Wait before i receive answer from mod.

[Enchant]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

[Enchant]

Idk.

I tossed coin.

[Enchant]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

[Enchant]

From your POV it not supposed to be "This is fine".

[Enchant]

Then should't you uh insist on healing Meg.

[Enchant]

Day/game still didn't end bah.

[Enchant]

I forget which way voting had to go to confirm you noble.

eh

why confirm obvious fact

[Enchant]

well yeah whatever

[Enchant]

What for exact you are interested

[Enchant]

Your thoughts on DA/Mafia and why.
I'm fairly sure you are town so want to see where you lie

I have no idea about who is DA exactly (i didn't joke about coin). I simple sheep Bear on this matter.


If we rating mafia, then from likely to unlikely:
Eiro > MathBlade > NM > Bear/You

[Enchant]

Herta/ecnchant meg da. Meh.... ill study it

Who the hell is ecnchant

[Enchant]

Your thoughts on DA/Mafia and why.
I'm fairly sure you are town so want to see where you lie

I have no idea about who is DA exactly (i didn't joke about coin). I simple sheep Bear on this matter.


If we rating mafia, then from likely to unlikely:
Eiro > MathBlade > NM > Bear/You

Xpand if possible plz. Ded wrong on me. Where herta here? U sure their da?

I personally have no idea but we think Herta is DA so. Even if i include, Herta probably will sit at same place for same reasoning.

I don't really have "anything" against you and Math, it's simple process by elimination.

NM.. uuuuuuum. Well......... I don't feel it. I have vague feeling when people throw and when they just anti-town. Well because i throw as well. Well...

Unlikely mafia will box self like that, so most likely not Herta/Meg. I feel mafia tried to cover DA at all cost last night. If Meg/Herta mafia, then they had even more information on possibility who was DA at that point. Likelyhood to miss really shrinks from this so i don't think mafia would fail if that's case. Well expect if they do.

Bear just need to delibately throw to selfnoble as scum at that point. I consider them at conftown actually from this sole fact.

[Enchant]

So PBE claiming Hidden Noble clears them for you>? Good argument. Ugh... Bye x2

Yes. Problem?

[Enchant]

I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

Weird stuff to throw out since you'd be asking this question exponentially earlier if you actually didn't know and were town

Humour me Mega, given that you’re insisting that Herta’s DA and I was healing him and voting you and knowing that’s according to you if true, an autowin for town, how do you think it makes even an iota of sense for me to be scum here? Because it’s against the ruies to play against wincon. That’s how I know you’re lying about that.

~N

You are right it's kinda irrelevant since you are being correct for a town win anyway, but there's worlds where you are scum that read me as actual DA and I don't really take kindly to being called scum for what I consider pretty bad reasons.

... It's wrong on different levels.

If you think she is scum thinking you are DA, and you are not DA, then

why

you complain?

[Enchant]

Nah i am yawning.

[Enchant]

I still adore him

[Enchant]

Hey Math why you goating NM in healing Meg.

[Enchant]

Hey Math why you goating NM in healing Meg.

Because I think Meg is the DA.

So Meg and NM probably the scum team.

THESE CAN'T BE IN ONE POST

[Enchant]

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

So my coin flip was good?

[Enchant]

Not because I think Nancy is scum, it's because Nancy thinks I should 100% know she is town, and because I am saying I don't, she is saying I cannot be town

I stopped argueing with Nancy at all, because it's impossible.

Anyway, coin flip shows that Meg is DA. Maybe it's truth, maybe not.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Meg
HEAL: Herta

[Enchant]

Did we win

[Enchant]

My coin also thought it was Meg.

[Enchant]

But i used brain instead. Tsk.

[Enchant]

I prefer to not disclose.

[Enchant]

No way

[Enchant]

So Nancy why was there just 4 votes on Meg yesterday?

Because Bear was hidden noble.

[Enchant]

Meg couldn't be HN.
I was not HN at that point.
You didn't claim you was noble. And I won't believe you anyway.
Bear did.

Needed 5 votes for elim. We elimed with 4.

So Bear is confirmed HN.

[Enchant]

I was HN on Day 2, not afterwards.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

If hammer was with my vote why this?

I don't understand

[Enchant]

If it’s not exactly Herta/NM, some serious gamethrowing is happening.

NM is person i expect to gamethrow. So not really sure it condemns him.

[Enchant]

If it’s not exactly Herta/NM, some serious gamethrowing is happening.

NM is person i expect to gamethrow. So not really sure it condemns him.

What does your solve look like?

You-Herta.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Enchant]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Enchant]

You supposed to vote NM wtf i had heart attack.

[Enchant]

You stoled my hammer and it's not not memetic as it should i never forgive you.

[Enchant]

you told me to hammer I couldn't hammer til you voted XD

Damn i really said that.

[Enchant]

Not_Mafia atleast someone you expect to gamethrow.

[Enchant]

You don’t get cred just like Dann doesn’t get cred for winning the game that Junko gamethrew.

So yeah you TECHNICALLY won but but you don’t get props for it because NM gamethrew by self-voting.

I actually voted NM.

[Enchant]

I didn't care before my partner just replaced out.
Cared even less afterwards. So when it was coinflip between Meg/Herta, i actually tossed coin. AND WAS RIGHT AHAHAHAHHA

[Enchant]

Honestly DA is unbelivable hard.


Had DA claimed at twilight and ask to shot them, i would do so just because for sparing me of this pain.