House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

tbh i really expected u to shoot her.

[Firebringer]

I can't be the only one and rhae to have thought that lol.

[fireisredsir]

andres enchant shea firebringer town

VP GL probably town

why is enchant town

i think their like investment in trying to promote what they believe as pro-town uses of the mechanics feels very towny to me

i remember earlier they had like a strong read on baltar i think? and i thought that was weird bc the strength of it felt out of nowhere. so maybe im not as confident on them being strong town. but the rest feels towny to me

[fireisredsir]

who townreads furtive and why

[Firebringer]

who townreads furtive and why

me and for his interactions with me yesterday.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Execution Vote Day Three

With seventeen players alive - it will require nine votes to eliminate a player.

JohnnyFarrar [5]:

VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Unowen, Andresvmb, furtiveglance

Unowen [2]:

fireisredsir, Firebringer

Roden [1]:

Datisi,

Dannflor [1]:

mastina,

Lady Lambdadelta [1]:

Dannflor

GuiltyLion [1]:

ProfessorDrapion

not voting [6]:

JohnnyFarrar, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Roden, Enchant, thestatusquo

Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-08 14:58:35)

mod note

VP Baltar is VLA Sat-Mon

[GuiltyLion]

who townreads furtive and why

I thought he felt fairly townie in responses to pressure from me & unwnd towards the EOD1, though me not liking unwnd's angles and attacks may have colored that read somewhat. I am open to reassessing cause it feels like he's been coasting a bit D2/D3 and a couple of his pop ins struck me as more focused on grabbing towncred than solving or pushing his scumreads (thinking of one in supporter PT in particular where I said Drapion town for unvoting MariaR and he jumped in to say 'me too!' on that).

can you elaborate a lil more on your Roden townread?

[GuiltyLion]

although idk, skimming furtive's ISO again I just don't really feel scum there

he's not super town but doesn't really feel particularly scummy to me and I def don't think unwnd/Johnny - furtive is S-S, and I've been locked in on the Johnny scumread

[GuiltyLion]

like dwlee first post if they were scum together and disagreed could have easily been reserved for scum PT talk.

isn't that type of thing usually great to have out in the open to look disaligned tho

its not that public....we can do wifom for days on this. I don't think this was staged.

on this, I'd keep in mind that it couldn't really be fully public in main thread PT by that point cause Rhaenyra was already out of posts

so if Dwlee/Rhae want to distance somewhere, the only real available option by that point is a PT that half the game is in

[GuiltyLion]

Who is around for chat

I'm here Derek what up

What are recent events?

Nothing much, just trying to make progress on the pokedex while checking thread

I'm almost at 300 on my dex nice

You're like a big wagon because this approach matches your scum game. I called it an apathy wagon and got some justifiable pushback.

Math is here and thinks I'm scum with Shea, which is untrue so it's hard to engage with the rest of his points without, like, major concentration

I'm always reactive.

I can't give you advice on engaging with math

Do you have like reads? Even like a vibe on somebody?

Off the top of my head:

Andante, TSQ, Firebringer, Unwnd slot town

Datisi, Dann scum

Is unwd even in this game?

Oh I'm unwnd now

Static from like 5 days ago when I last played the game? Did Johnny ask for an explanation?

Unwnd's approach to my wagon was townie and they were clearly solving for people's alignments with their reactions to people's posts (no I don't remember specifics)

this whole conversation also just feels fake

like,
-the fact that both of them are conveniently around to 'chat' and then both disappear for several hours after this after having a conversation that goes nowhere
-Johnny allegedly forgetting that he is unwnd
-Johnny referring to pushback on him as "justifiable" (so did he really believe it was an apathy wagon or no??)

I also kinda think Johnny's post/thought around "Math thinks I'm scum with Shea and that's untrue" is a super easy thing to riff on in a world where Shea is town so it

is

factually untrue, he doesn't have to lie about it

[GuiltyLion]

the fact that Dwlee refers to Johnny as "unwnd slot" in a conversation with the new current member of that slot is actually kinda wonky now that I'm paying attention to it

like why would he not just say Johnny, or your slot. why the weirdness there.

I don't know if I can comfortably nail that as AI but it's weird. why does Dwlee do that in the town!Johnny world. why would he not want to say "you" if his goal is to pocket/buddy Johnny. like it feels like Dwlee is more focused on retroactively selling unwnd's ISO as town, moreso than achieve a useful outcome in talking to a town!Johnny

[GuiltyLion]

the fact that Dwlee refers to Johnny as "unwnd slot" in a conversation with the new current member of that slot is actually kinda wonky now that I'm paying attention to it

like why would they not just say Johnny, or your slot. why the weirdness there.

I don't know if I can comfortably nail that as AI but it's weird. why does Dwlee do that in the town!Johnny world. why would they not want to say "you" if their goal is to pocket/buddy Johnny. like it feels like Dwlee is more focused on retroactively selling unwnd's ISO as town, moreso than achieve a useful outcome in talking to a town!Johnny

edit for correct pronouns, I am sorry

[fireisredsir]

-Johnny referring to pushback on him as "justifiable" (so did he really believe it was an apathy wagon or no??)

ok this is a fair point that is a weird thing to say

[GuiltyLion]

on the other hand, maybe Dwlee just genuinely forgot that Johnny is the new unwnd, in which case that should be clearing for Johnny

[fireisredsir]

can you elaborate a lil more on your Roden townread?

it was mostly a vibe

i thought his indignation/snark in 3338 and the following 2 posts felt like him when he's town, and also that he's not really leaning on that as a means of defense? he's still being proactive and pushing places and i get the feeling that he believes in what he's saying

i don't think his push on you is scummy either, i think it was reasonable although i lean towards disagreeing with the conclusion

it's not one of my most confident reads but i feel it still

[fireisredsir]

Why is Firebringer not being speedvoted? Their actions are inexcusable.

i just think it feels like furtive is playing dumb in this interaction, to play up the "town confused why nobody else is seeing what he's seeing" vibe

i think he's smarter than this and as town would be more likely to take the next step of actually thinking about why nobody else seems to agree with him that firebringer is scumclaiming instead of being stubborn and waiting for someone to explain it to him so that he can have a ~progression~

[fireisredsir]

i think 2037 and 2045 from unowen are towny. i like the thought process. not much else left an impression on me, but i lean town from those

VOTE: furtive

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Unowen

[ProfessorDrapion]

Fireisred, did you read what Andante said in the PT in regards to UNOwen?

[ProfessorDrapion]

rhae does not look aligned with dwlee in the non-supporters pt

can you elaborate/paraphrase why

this seems to be the biggest point in Johnny slot's defense and it's totally inaccessible to me. Mastina/Andante (I think?) both also made similar claims but I don't feel like I have an understanding of what she did in the non-supporter PT that seems obviously unaligned, and I need more detail than this to actually consider it seriously

I’m not sure/don’t remember everything.

But I do remember Dwlee discussing about if I believe Andante and Johnny Slot are wolves town reading them.
And the way he went about that didn’t really seem like something he would say about either teammate.

Like I don’t think all that discussion and back and fourth comes from a partner of Dwlee.

[ProfessorDrapion]

To make this more clear

-I stated Dwlee might be being pocketed.
-They basically reacted with “oh is that true?” Sorta thing.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually scratch what I said.
It was Andante and Maria’s slot.
Not Johnny’s Slot.

[fireisredsir]

Fireisred, did you read what Andante said in the PT in regards to UNOwen?

getting there, still reading

i like roden's entrance to the PT as well, seems solvy. agree there that titus being missing from the pt is v concerning

[fireisredsir]

just that he voted dwlee in a way that looked like a bus? idk, maybe. i thought the way he voted there, then moved his vote while also not really pushing for a counter, and then said he thought that dwlee was the lim that was happening while also still not even voting there until putting it at e-1... it didn't feel like he felt any pressure or anything that would come with being scum in that situation where he thinks a partner is going to die

[fireisredsir]

don't really want to lim unowen or johnny or roden who all seem like possibly candidates rn

would probably like to lim in furtive, titus, LLD, datisi, dann