OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

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ego

And first!

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I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

I’m still not clear on the mech but I don’t know what we’ve done so far to warrant a tr?

~Nancy

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I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

VOTE: Elements

Never mobilze a Hydra

But not crazy about this take either, what does our being a hydra have to do with anything?

~still N

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I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

I’m still not clear on the mech but I don’t know what we’ve done so far to warrant a tr?

~Nancy

It wasn't a tr

So why did you heal us then?

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@mod can we get a VC please?

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I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

VOTE: Elements

Never mobilze a Hydra

But not crazy about this take either, what does our being a hydra have to do with anything?

~still N

I have and always will hate hydras

How does you hating hydras make Elements scum?

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Thanks I hate it here. And I do this because I have history with N_M

it's ok elmo, junko's post was only 50% serious

-N

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Don't steal my words!
VOTE: JonnyFarrar

you've got some jumpy votes there, friend! fret not, I hear that's quite normal for axolotls

-N

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Pray for the holy cow HEAL: Not_Mafia

I think this puts N_M at Nobility -1. That's why I unvoted. I'd like to vote the instant win and I don't think N_M is it.

hello friend, I like your suit. I have yet to read the nobility part of the setup but I will soon. Or perhaps i'll beg nancy to explain it to me instead of doing that ... hmm
I also just realized Nancy and I are both N. So I will start using A instead

-A

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Elmo is an early scumlean

I'd have to concur with this, friend.

-A

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I have and always will hate hydras

bad take, my friend.

-A

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I like Junko and probably not mafia. Bye friends, this is all I have for today.

-A

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Actually, what's the difference between being counted as 1 or 2 people for elimination?
And, agreed with Herta that noble-ing not mafia will not get us a win.

-A

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I apparently got the nobility thing wrong so I've got to reread it myself.

I don't believe so. If we vote the dark angel to nobility, we win. That is correct. If Mafia secret nobilities the dark angel, they gain a dayvig and the dark angel exits the game.

-A

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DIdn't read setup, i am Dark Angel. Powerole i guess.

Are you trolling with this?

~N

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VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

Would either of you care to explain this vote? I don’t see why she’s scum.

~N

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Well that's a lock

HEAL: enchant

Good vote right enchant?

HEAL: Enchant

okay.

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Ok, so this is probably hard to implement but I think the theoretical optimal way to play this for town is to pick the top two scum reads as noble+lynch today, and lynch the noble the next day (in case they were not the DA). And repeat the day after (pick a new noble to be lynched the day after).

I currently like everyone except for Elements and Elmo but Elmo’s vote on Elements is better than Elements vote on Junko.

~N

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I disbelieve enchant is probably scum trying to secure double vote

From what I understand from reading the setup is that heals don’t really matter until someone is hammered, so it’s possible he’s trolling trying to nobility.

[unheal]Enchant[/unheal]

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I disbelieve enchant is probably scum trying to secure double vote

From what I understand from reading the setup is that heals don’t really matter until someone is hammered, so it’s possible he’s trolling trying to nobility.

[unheal]Enchant[/unheal]

Probably need to use hurt tags I guess but maybe is trying to make us think he’s not DA with this?

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Way way better than mobilizing me for example

@Porkens, why is mobilizing you such a bad idea?


~Nancy

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Ok, so this is probably hard to implement but I think the theoretical optimal way to play this for town is to pick the top two scum reads as noble+lynch today, and lynch the noble the next day (in case they were not the DA). And repeat the day after (pick a new noble to be lynched the day after).

I currently like everyone except for Elements and Elmo but Elmo’s vote on Elements is better than Elements vote on Junko.

~N

Why do you not like me or Elmo?

Well you still haven’t explained your Junko vote. Elmo, seems to have a negative attitude.
It’s fine to naked vote but scum can hide behind those unexplained, so I want to understand your reasoning since I don’t find her to be scummy.

~N

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also VOTE: porkens

this flips red.

Please elaborate

They are not scumhunting they are just trying to find who the DA is (which is the only thing mafia don't know this game).

mmm by that logic you could say the same about Herta, what makes Porkens different?

(not disagreeing with the logic tho)

Herta’s never said anything to indicate he either wants or objects to being nobilized.

Mafia and town can want that but DA obviously doesn’t. Herta also seems to be very relaxed, which reads townie to me.

~N

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Toto gives me DA vibes
HEAL: toto

Based on?

~N

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Thanks I hate it here. And I do this because I have history with N_M

it's ok elmo, junko's post was only 50% serious

-N

Correct, i just wanted to get things going

This post also jumps out as scum wanting external validation for their pro-town behavior.

I pat myself on the back as town all the time. In fact, I’m actually far more likely to do that as town. So to me that’s not scummy.

~N

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Nothing she's done has struck me in a town way and she feels different to the last game I was in where she was town

So is it a tone thing then? Because nothing particularly sticks out at me so far about her posting.

~N

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if I understand correctly the game doesn't end if the DA wins, only if town nobilizes DA, right?
if so I don't think it's super important we find DA right now, nobilizing townies would be better imo

not_mafia and enchant need to go at this point. Fake claiming is anti-town.

their posts have been troll so far but I doubt it's scum-motivated

I am going to request now that I not be the target of nobility at any point this game. I think we should shoot for mobilizing the vampire or whatever they are and so don’t bother with me to narrow it down.

VOTE: Porkens

+1

This sounds like a townie mindset.

I’m trying to decide if Porkens is using maybe reverse psychology here and could actually be mafia hoping to be elected or appointed nobility.

~N

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VOTE: Porkens

~N

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I think NM and Enchant are probably just trolling with the DA claim and I don’t read anything into one way or the other.

~N

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Toto gives me DA vibes
HEAL: toto

Based on?

~N

Ignoring the DA mechanic to focus on a flimsy bullshit scumread on me

Why is it “flimsy”? Pretty much entirety of your posts are either how you don’t want to ever be nobilized or who you think is DA. Why aren’t you trying to find mafia? Town needs to find both but mafia needs only to find DA.

~N

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We should be focusing on both finding mafia + DA.

~N

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UNVOTE:

for now.

~N

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Why are you nobilizing me when there are two DA claims? And why are you not scumhunting?

I think NM and Enchant are probably just trolling with the DA claim and I don’t read anything into one way or the other.

~N

Both of those players are known for trolling. Their not actually seriously claiming anything.

~N

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Toto actually did self heal before Enchant claimed, so idk if they’re trying to avoid being nobilized but day doesn’t end based on heal votes anyway.

HEAL: Toto

~N

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VOTE: porkens

HEAL: toto

My hero

I think Porkens towntold with this, so why Elements?

~Nancy

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I am hidden noble

@mod

1/ Can mafia self-select (i.e. pick a member of mafia) as hidden noble?
2/ Can they not select anyone as hidden noble?

You should probably bold your mod questions.

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I am hidden noble

@mod

1/ Can mafia self-select (i.e. pick a member of mafia) as hidden noble?
2/ Can they not select anyone as hidden noble?

The mafia may select any player other than the night kill. They must select someone as a hidden noble.

Only the extra vote for the hidden noble is not shown.

So nm then but if no one CCs Enchant, they probably are hidden noble but I think it’s probably +town to out that that.

~N

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Nothing she's done has struck me in a town way and she feels different to the last game I was in where she was town

I've changed my mind
VOTE: Elmo

So these were Elements’ reads before he voted Porkens, don’t know if it means anything or not.

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Nothing she's done has struck me in a town way and she feels different to the last game I was in where she was town

I've changed my mind
VOTE: Elmo

So these were Elements’ reads before SHE voted Porkens, don’t know if it means anything or not.

Sorry Elements, I need to check profiles. :/

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also VOTE: porkens

this flips red.

Please elaborate

They are not scumhunting they are just trying to find who the DA is (which is the only thing mafia don't know this game).

IDK, lets agree who we going to noble first and try to find the DA maybe. There is only 10 pages so lacking any other info I'd say the plan to Elim not_mafia still valid. (he has higher than average chance of being mafia given he is not the DA).

@Toto, explain this?

~Nancy

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HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

I don’t think NM would kill Elements here.

~Nancy

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I actually tried didn't work. While not optimal id be ok with your deal but my worry is you’ll shoot one and hidden noble the other. While meme players I would not put it past them to self claim while being the DA. If anyone going to do that it's them. And you know that

I wasn't a fan of this post because of how randomly confident it was in Porkens scum. And I know this doesn't count for much, but I thought this before I saw Porkens' flip. I go back and forth on Toto throughout my read because I'm inclined to think analysis is towny but I have uneasy feelings in general here.

I lost my phone so slim posting unless I find time at the office.

I don't think Porkens is mafia but I want to read my last game with them.

Not sure if this is a new pstyle thing, but i find posts like this lack confidence and make me think scum. I would confidently say i scumread Herta but I felt a similar thing about Elmo who has a similar pstyle i feel like. Herta is my least favorite though because their posts really feel like scum not knowing what to say and smacking something random into the box and sighing a sigh of relief internally.

if I understand correctly the game doesn't end if the DA wins, only if town nobilizes DA, right?
if so I don't think it's super important we find DA right now, nobilizing townies would be better imo

not_mafia and enchant need to go at this point. Fake claiming is anti-town.

their posts have been troll so far but I doubt it's scum-motivated

I am going to request now that I not be the target of nobility at any point this game. I think we should shoot for mobilizing the vampire or whatever they are and so don’t bother with me to narrow it down.

VOTE: Porkens

very towny vibes in this post.

-A (is back!)

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Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

So since no one has CC’d Enchant’s claim, I’m going to assume that whomever’s mafia here, probably thiught he was DA.

~Nancy

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I don't have strong scumreads tbh I voted him because elements was voting him, whats your read so far?

You’re healing Elmo not voting him though and we know that mafia killed Elements not DA, so I don’t understand your reasoning for this.

~Nancy

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Yeah good point. I really didn't put too much thought in the heal. Just trying to get the game going again. Who do you want to heal/vote?

Elected nobles have an extra elimination vote the next Day, and can't be killed the Night they were elected. Elected nobles count as two people for elimination majority.

It depends whether or not we’re trying to elim the DA or elect a townie. If we elect mafia then they get two extra votes.

I think electing the same slot more than once doesn’t make a lot of sense because we never find DA that way and should be eliming the scummiest slot.

So, there is no connection between DA and Elements’ nk, so maybe vote the scummiest slot and heal whomever seems most opposed to being elected noble?

I will reread the game and think on it.

~Nancy

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HEAL: Elmo

Why are people voting Junko? I still don’t understand the srs?

@NM? @Enchant?

~Nancy

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HEAL: Not_Mafia

Why change perfection?

I don’t understand why you think this is a good idea?

I think it’s a terrible idea to heal the same player twice unless it’s near elo and they have proven themselves with demonstrable good reads.

~N

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I don't think that this setup has been run before. After reading the discussion thread I'm on board with this.

VOTE: not_mafia

Whats the reason?

Also whats with the heal votes on me?

Can you give us some reads?

~N

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HEAL: Elmo

Why are people voting Junko? I still don’t understand the srs?

@NM? @Enchant?

~Nancy

NM probably just OMGUSing and he is only one who voting. Others seems to be intemidated by our combined doublevote power.

Okay thanks, I didn’t understand why she had two votes on her.

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I currently feel the most suspicious of Elmo and Toto.

Idk if Toto has any experience playing with either you or NM but anyone who does would know both of you troll and not read to much into any of your claims.

~Nancy

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I currently feel the most suspicious of Elmo and Toto.

Idk if Toto has any experience playing with either you or NM but anyone who does would know both of you troll and not read to much into any of your claims.

~Nancy

Why suspicion of myself?

I don't like Junko. In this game and nm and enchant feel like they are playing their own game.

Do you have any other reads? Tell me why you don’t like Junko? I’m more at who I currently feel good about than who I don’t. What do you mean wrt Enchant and NM?

~Nancy

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I would have picked you for sure. I think not mafia picks you too. You’d pick you. Anyone setting up an elim on me would too. You are essentially an agent of chaos so why wouldn't mafia pick you lol.

If you was mafia who gived me hidden noble, who you would be?

I would have picked you too, because I'm that much of an evil mastermind as scum

This isn’t helpful.

Anyway, I think Enchant seems townie.

~Nancy

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i think it's unlikely scum would think enchant is DA but it's possible

Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

But it’s in scum’s interest to try to pick whomever they think it could be right? So why would scum pick Enchant if they didn’t think that?

Because if they pick someone they don’t think is very likely to be DA, doesn’t that just wind up potentially ICing that slot?

I think it’s far more likely scum did think that no?

~N

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First off, we have close to a week, so can we not flash elim anyone early this time?

And re-ISOing both Passenger and Elements, both had Toto and Junko in their respective Poes

So think we’re probably dying tonight if either if correct, that’s probably where I intend to vote. It’s also possible Elmo could be scum and we could have had a chance to find out had day not ended so abruptly. :/

Rn, my gut still dislikes Toto the most. \_0_/

Passenger along with Tap and Enchant were strong trs. I think Herta probably is also town. I think these flips point away from NM being scum here.

It’s interesting to me that scum chose to kill Passenger > Enchant, which makes me think I’m probably onto something with this.

~Nancy

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It’s also possible Elmo could be scum and we could have had a chance to find out had day not ended so abruptly. :/

You would have been dead already

My point being that you promised to give reads or something but day ended abruptly but you can still do whatever you would have done yesterday, had you gotten the chance.

~N

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Yeah because its not possible that scum killed passanger to raise sus on me. Also how in the hell does this clear nm?

This game is bs. Im going to wait for the hidden noble to claim then vote. Then lurk the fuck away like everyone else.

Neither one had him in their PoE. Why was Passenger nk’d > Enchant? Usually scum kills the most obvtown slot unless they view another player as a bigger threat. Why does NM kill either one? Elements even expressed a strong tr on NM.

~N

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I'm the hidden noble

That’s very interesting considering scum knows you obviously can’t be DA.

~N

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Mafia decided to be obnoxious instead of competent.

Enchant pretty much locktown for this post alone. I remember you made a similar post in Trees.

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i think it's unlikely scum would think enchant is DA but it's possible

Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

But it’s in scum’s interest to try to pick whomever they think it could be right? So why would scum pick Enchant if they didn’t think that?

Because if they pick someone they don’t think is very likely to be DA, doesn’t that just wind up potentially ICing that slot?

I think it’s far more likely scum did think that no?

~N

Enchant whats your read on the bear?

This also pinged me a bit. Why ask this? Were you hoping to maybe push me had Enchant expressed suspicion on me?

~N

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HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

Why does NM kill Elements here?

~Nancy

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

HEAL: Tapiocaphobe

Do you have any explanations for either of these?

~N

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This also pinged me a bit. Why ask this? Were you hoping to maybe push me had Enchant expressed suspicion on me?

Your town read on Enchant seemed a bit weird to me at the time given I was not town reading them. Also Enchant was not really engaging much beyond troll posting so seemed like a good question to ask at the time to get reads out of them.

Also generally your analysis has been a bit black/white which does raise my suspicion on your slot a little bit. You are a hydra too which complicates things a bit in terms of reading you.

I have played with him a lot and I think I made some very valid points and you trying to deflect it onto me isn’t helping my read of you one iota.

I also pushed Elmo but his response to that read townie. He also tr Porkens prior to flip where you said he’s flipping red.

You don’t get to call my analysis as “black and white” and not address any of my arguments. Fact is that three out of four dead town had you in their PoE: Elements, Passenger and of course, Porkens, so you give me an actually good reason to debunk all of that instead of deflecting it on to me.

VOTE: Toto

~Nancy

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I was in Chromavalon and scum!Umlaut did that to me as well rather than actually address any of my reasoning. Oh and Enchant was flaming obvscum in that.

~N

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It’s also possible Elmo could be scum and we could have had a chance to find out had day not ended so abruptly. :/

You would have been dead already

Contrast Elmo’s response to my push on him with Toto’s.

~N

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You are either not reading, bad at logic, or scum. You can die either way.

Have fun when I flip green.

VOTE: Bear

I keep asking you to respond to my questions and all I get in response from you is omgus. I am going to flip town here, whether you miselim us or nk us because your response to my vote doesn’t address anything I’ve said.

You miselimed Porkens, so if you’re town here and I’m wrong than tell me why. You’re not intimidating me with a shit vote.

~N

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HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

Why does NM kill Elements here?

~Nancy

You completely ignored this question. Had you actually responded to this in a way that makes sense, I’d probably unvote you but you answer nothing just omgus me. It’s extremely obvious we’re town here and if I’m wrong on you, then you’re terrible at scumhunting but nothing you’ve posted so far is doing jack to change my mind. Why can’t scum!you omgus me like that? Why should I tr you for that? Scum!Gamma did the exact same thing to me in LOST right after I unvoted them and I got fooled by that into unvoting them. If I’m wrong and you’re actually town here, then give me actual reasons to resscess not this bs.

~N

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You don’t get to call my analysis as “black and white” and not address any of my arguments. Fact is that three out of four dead town had you in their PoE: Elements, Passenger and of course, Porkens, so you give me an actually good reason to debunk all of that instead of deflecting it on to me.

What arguments?.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are town. How do you expect town!toto to respond and "debunk" this.

When I saw passanger dead on day start the first thought that came to mind is probably scum trying to frame me, and well... here you are.

Elements, Passenger and Porkens all had you in their PoE. Why should I view that as a frame? And why would you - if you’re actually town here - assume that it’s me who’d be doing that anyway? It’s not townie that you’re ignoring the rest of our posts when I think my reasoning is valid. And if I’m wrong on you here, it’s going to look horrible for you when we die.

~N

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HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

Why does NM kill Elements here?

~Nancy

If you’re town here Toto, stop avoiding answering this and deflecting with a frame narrative.

~N

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I'm the hidden noble

Why is NM being voted when no one is CCing this?

~N

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You don’t get to call my analysis as “black and white” and not address any of my arguments. Fact is that three out of four dead town had you in their PoE: Elements, Passenger and of course, Porkens, so you give me an actually good reason to debunk all of that instead of deflecting it on to me.

What arguments?.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are town. How do you expect town!toto to respond and "debunk" this.

When I saw passanger dead on day start the first thought that came to mind is probably scum trying to frame me, and well... here you are.

Okay, well from my pov why am I supposed to think when 3 dead town had you in their PoE, auto assume that and for you to auto vote me for making a very logical assumption isn’t townie. You should just say I’m wrong and to look elsewhere but instead you just try to intimidate me with this vote.

If three dead town had us in our PoE and someone voted me for that, my first response as town would be to reason with them why take is bad, not to autovote them as some frame conspiracy bs.

It’s only after they continued failed to see my reasons for this, would I be jumping to that conclusion. I think you look to me rn like defensive scum because from my PoV, you should not expect me to be viewing it is as auto frame when three dead town were highly suss on you.

~N

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If I’m wrong and you’re actually town here, then give me actual reasons to resscess not this bs.

Your reasons are scum!me shot elements and passenger, can you think of reasons that would happen if I'm town? If so, what do I need to debunk? If not, you are just either bad or scum. You can call it omgus but I call it truth. Truth hurts.

Is it because I was wrong on my scum read on Porkens? What about the other half of town that lolhammered them when I was afk? Do you town read them?

What about yesterday wagon? I was basically afk the entire time. Why do you not scum read Enchant after lolhammering not one but two people? What about not_mafia doing the same?

Basically your case on me is either badly thought out, inconsistent or made up.

Both of them lolhammer as any alignment but you’re STILL not answering any of my questions. Dead town!Passenger also voted Freedom. Do I think that wagon was terrible? Yes but nia.

Again, tell me WHY. You have yet to explain any of it.

If I’m wrong on you, I want actual reasoning and then I’ll reacess but all I keep getting from you is my reasoning is bad or I’m scum. Since I know I’m town, this ain’t cutting it.

~N

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K, PBE, I'm going to ignore you. I have already explained and if you can't see it, like I said before, you are either scum or can't be helped. Either way it is a waste of time and blood pressure.

Okay, well if you refuse to answer even a single one of my questions, then my vote isn’t moving.

~N

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No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

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No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

I specifically mean why their reads on you were all wrong. Calling it a “frame” with no other explanation and auto voting me for that does absolutely nothing to make me want to unvote you.

~N

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K, PBE, I'm going to ignore you. I have already explained and if you can't see it, like I said before, you are either scum or can't be helped. Either way it is a waste of time and blood pressure.

This is a strange response if you actually think I’m scum here, it reads more like you want to votepark on me rather than actually respond to any of my questions.

~N

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I specifically mean why their reads on you were all wrong.

Cause I'm town.

I don’t know what you are. All I know is that I’m asking you very valid questions and you’re not answering any of them and why am I scum here for trying to get you to prove me wrong. - IF I’m wrong, because it’s beyond obvious that’s what I’ve been doing and you just keep ignoring that.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Also to be precise,

Elements didn't really give much of an argument to vote me so IDK why he was scum reading me and he also voted like half the town.
Porkens thought I was the DA, not mafia.
I believe the reasons from Passanger were "Eh." (paraphrased).

So explain to me why I’m scum here as opposed to being just wrong? Your response to omgus me and ignore practically everything overwhelmingly pointing to us being town doesn’t make sense.

Point is that none of that explains to me why my vote on you is unreasonable. and I think Passenger did say something about your takes.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

Toto, Junko team? Remember this after we flip.

Jsyk, if I’m right on either one if not both of you, I’m fine with dying here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: Junko

Actually this may be better. This doesn’t sound like town!you because town!Junko would absolutely recognize that I’m clearly trying to solve. Yeet this.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

PBE
Enchant
Tap
Herta
NM
Elmo

I think are probably all town.

Don’t ignore my reads once I’m dead, whether it’s because scum gets me miselimed or nks me but Junko should absolutely know that this is town me here, so her vote on us is definitely a scumclaim.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Toto if you’re actually town here, sheep me on this.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Because I’m not buying that two dead town nks, framed both Toto and Junko here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: Junko

Actually this may be better. This doesn’t sound like town!you because town!Junko would absolutely recognize that I’m clearly trying to solve. Yeet this.

~N

I still think Toto could be scum but your push is objectively worse since you actually have meta to base it on and he doesn’t.

No way both of you are town here, no freaking way.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Junko should know I’m well out of my scumrange here, so that’s why I’m more confident on that vote but I think I’ve probably caught one if not two scum here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: Not_mafia

this is mockery at this point

Elmo for other mafia

why elmo/n_m specifically?

Yeah, nothing is pointing to NM scum here and look at who votes both of us? I doubt it’s a total coincidence. Scum knows they’re donezo if they nk me for likely being right, so they need to bank on hopefully lobotomized town, I guess.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I continue to be town though.

I might actually believe that if you vote Junko who just straight up scumclaimed with that vote.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

VOTE: Not_mafia

this is mockery at this point

Elmo for other mafia

Where is the actual attempt to sort that I’d expect to see from town!Junko?


Junko is like 97% likely flipping scum here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

your only meta is everyone who scumreads me is scum, idk what you are talking about, you often have better reasons than "huh the dead townies voted you so you have to be scum", this feels performative and bad because you are wrong, as toto pointed out, they weren't even "this is scum votes" they also had DA votes and the scum votes had like level 0 reads on them

toto is town and if you can't see that you are off this game or scum

We are 100% going to flip town and why are 3 dead townies wrong and even better, how does it ever make me scum here for thinking that?

And I don’t believe you think this is my scumgame, so my vote, not moving.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I think it’s highly unlikely I’m wrong on both of you and if I’m wrong on Toto according to you then three dead town didn’t tr him, so your vote on us is still bad, since if I’m actually wrong on Toto, then thinking he might be scum still doesn’t make me scum.

Anyone feel free to metadive me and show that this is how I play scum here, like ever.


~N

[Polar Bear Express]

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

Also, who are you claiming is my hypothetical buddy here? Didn’t you just say you think Toto’s town?
Lol, did I just catch you with this?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

your only meta is everyone who scumreads me is scum, idk what you are talking about, you often have better reasons than "huh the dead townies voted you so you have to be scum", this feels performative and bad because you are wrong, as toto pointed out, they weren't even "this is scum votes" they also had DA votes and the scum votes had like level 0 reads on them

toto is town and if you can't see that you are off this game or scum

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

Junko: Nancy’s doing scum theatre. Also Junko: Toto’s town.


So who am I supposedly doing scum theatre with?

Talk about a made up bs read.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

Also, who are you claiming is my hypothetical buddy here? Didn’t you just say you think Toto’s town?
Lol, did I just catch you with this?

~N

if you are scum, you are scum with n_m since you are defending them so much

Tell me how you clearly don’t understand what scum theatre even means. I’ll tell you: two players trying to look look like they’re tvt each other when they aren’t and since neither NM or me are sr each other, that is not scum theatre.

Also, since I know I’m flipping town here, it obviously can’t be but Idk why scum!NM kills Elements here who was tr him?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

No I don’t see it and if you’ve already explained it, point me to where. You just continuing to shade or discrediting me isn’t changing my mind on you one iota.

Did scum somehow hypnotize 3 dead town to suss you too? If you’re actually town here, you should acknowledge why Elements/Passenger nks look bad for you and making some attempt to debunk those but sure I’m scum here for thinking that possibly implicates you? You’re reaction to me doesn’t read townie and I’ve given you multiple chances to show me where I’m wrong and shoot my read on you down but you have yet to give me even a single reason why.

~N

dead townies can't ever be wrong right?

aight enough scum theatre

this all feels prepared

this all feels fake

and I'm getting tired of it

VOTE: PBE

Also, who are you claiming is my hypothetical buddy here? Didn’t you just say you think Toto’s town?
Lol, did I just catch you with this?

~N

if you are scum, you are scum with n_m since you are defending them so much

I hardbussed my buddy last time I was scum so try again.

I also don’t even understand why NM is scum? No one has CC’d his hidden noble claim and no one has answered my question about why scum!NM kills Elements.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Also Junko, what are you going to say after I flip town? You’re going to come up with some bs reasoning why I was wrong town or what?

Because then you’d have 3 dead town sr you and 4 suss on Toto.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Also Junko, what are you going to say after I flip town? You’re going to come up with some bs reasoning why I was wrong town or what?

Because then you’d have 3 dead town sr you and 4 suss on Toto.

~N

maybe in a timeline where my pm is red and yours is green I would have to care about that

but this is not it

Official Vote Count 1.08 FINAL

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Elimination

Galron

(5): Enchant, Testarossa, 39 Rats in a Trench Coat, ceejayvinoya, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Gypyx

(1): imaginality

imaginality

(1): Gypyx

Kop

(1): Kop

39 Rats in a Trench Coat

(1): Galron

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-10-20 01:36:28).

Mod notes:

An elimination has been achieved.

Galron was a

Spoiler:

Even-Day Mafia Goon

Night 1 begins! It will last for (expired on 2022-10-21 21:15:26). If you have night actions, be sure to send them to me before the deadline.

How do I know that? I only know I’m town, so no I don’t believe your sr on us is real.

I’m obviously not going to alt any outs but I find it extremely suss that you auto jump to my being scum here as opposed to just being wrong and you voting me does nothing to convince me I am.

Why is NM scum and especially, why are we, when this is my obvtown game here?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I was half of Rats in that game. That was me obviously hard defending my buddy in that.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I don’t think town!Junko would br so convinced on me scum before any scum flips. The fact that she acts this certain after she has seen town!me in a past game and is not even reacessing just convinces me I’m probably right.

FACT: we will flip town and you will need to answer why you keep voting town.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Kill this, this isn’t town!Junko here. Town!Junko would actually be making some attempt at trying to solve me.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m trying to decide if Toto is a buddy or if Junko tmi’d him town but Junko definitely isn’t.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m trying to decide if Toto is a buddy or if Junko tmi’d him town but Junko definitely isn’t.

~N

This is NOT town!Junko here and I will die believing this.

Where is the attempt to even trying to solve me or NM for that matter?

I still think both you and Toto have decent scum equity based off those nks but I do know town!Junko would be at least trying to solve me here, so I’m good keeping my vote here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

I would like to read reason

Your tone feels strange and it seemed like you were posting just for the sake of posting. It’s a weak read but it was all I had.

Thanks I hate it here. And I do this because I have history with N_M

it's ok elmo, junko's post was only 50% serious

-N

Correct, i just wanted to get things going

This post also jumps out as scum wanting external validation for their pro-town behavior.

^miss formated that
How is that looking for external validation?

If i was asking people what they thought about my actions, that would make sense, but polar bear asked that unpromted, so your logic is rubish

Nancy said that unprompted, but your response to it didn’t add anything and just hammers in the point that you’re doing pro-town behavior.

I want to townread Bears purely for effort. Toto gave me some weird vibes with earlier posts. I really don’t think we should be using the nobilize vote to find the DA.

So like NM with Elements, explain why scum!me kills Passenger here. I’m waiting.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Nancy, darling, repeating something 20 times doesn't make it more true

You’re ignoring all of the reasons why I’m obvtown and I have 0 intention of allowing you to get away with this shitpush.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

In the last game I played with you, you made sincere attempts to actually try to solve but here you aren’t doing that at all. You haven’t answered any of:

Why NM kills Elements?
Why he’s scum despite no one yet CCing his hidden noble claim?
Why I’m scum for thinking dead town might have not had shit reads on both of your slots?
Why I’m scum for playing pretty much similarly to every single game I’ve been obvtown in?
Why isn’t Junko even bothering even at least putting a good faith effort into trying to solve me?
And why is NM scum?
Why is Toto town?
Why does me being suss on him make me scum here?
And finally, what reasons has Junko expressed for any of her reads and bad votes including her current one?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

If a person who isn't scum has a question I'll be around to answer

Then answer me because I’m never scum here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Official Vote Count 1.04

Elimination

Porkens

(7): Toto, Tapiocaphobe, KittyTacky, JunkoChan, Elements, Not_Mafia, Enchant

<-- HAMMER

JunkoChan

(1): Passenger

Elements

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Elmo TeH AzN

(1): Porkens

Not Voting

(3): Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express

Nobility

Not_Mafia

(5): Not_Mafia, JohnnyFarrar, Elements, Enchant, Herta

Toto

(4): Porkens, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express, KittyTacky

Enchant

(1): Toto

Elmo

(1): Tapiocaphobe

Not Voting

(2):Elmo TeH AzN, Passenger

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-06 10:44:55).

Mod notes:

• An elimination has been achieved.

Official Vote Count 2.04

Elimination

Freedom

(6): JunkoChan, Herta,

Not_Mafia

, Passenger, Enchant

<--HAMMER

Not Voting

(6): Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Toto, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express, Freedom

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Elmo TeH AzN

(4): Toto, Freedom, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(6):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Passenger, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-11 09:40:07).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Will be looking for a replacement for JohnnyFarrar.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Junko has been on both wagons on town but still has 0 interest in re-evaluating any of her reads. You would think that town!Junko being wrong twice would make her inclined to re-evaluate but no she just votes another town.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I will bet the game on ar least one of Junko/Toto being scum here. Junko almost certainly.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

@Toto, @Junko. tell me why my alleged “buddy” NM kills Elements.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Nothing she's done has struck me in a town way and she feels different to the last game I was in where she was town

That’s how her play is reading to me in this game as well.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

My NM read isn’t set into stone and if someone who I consider to actually be credible CCs him, I would obviously have to reconsider but Junko knows even then, should I be wrong on that read, it still wouldn’t make me scum.

I would lim NM before any of Enchant or Tap or probably even Herta. I’m willing to consider takes from Herta and Johnny replacement for their votes. If they can give me a good reason for why I’m wrong on NM, I’ll give it serious consideration but Junko’s vote on me is still a scumclaim regardless of what NM is.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

anyways I got bored, Bear is town, toto scaped the conflict

VOTE: Toto

actual solve

toto- n_m/elmo?

Wow, that’s a total switch but don’t hate this.

UNVOTE:

I wasn’t just suss on Toto for the nks but he was hardpushing both NM and Enchant as DA and both become hidden nobles.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

Nah. I’m town. Watching the bear flail was fun though.

???

Where did I “flail”?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Nah. I’m town. Watching the bear flail was fun though.

So you’re still voting me why then?

And I’m still waiting for any of my questions to be answered.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Trusting junko is unsettling, fair enough

I think the bear knows i'm more than ready to go for emotional tests like this and they backing off emmidiatly is almost a townlock for me and probably a townlock from them on me

Can Nancy fake that? Ugggh idk i think they go for a "mmmmhm let me think about this" and then unvote if they are scum or something of sorts

I don't mind you having me in that pool

I think I would lim between eiralox herta and tapioca

Liming the DA is better than mafia having them right? At least i don't remember anything bad happening if we do that

I actually didn’t do a 180 on you for flipping your read on me. It’s more that I thought that you trying to run me up was a scumclaim but I think this post is really townie because I don’t think mafia would advocate for limming DA. I also tend to tr posts that align with my thought processes as well.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

@Eiralox did you get a red role pm because your posts sounds really scummy. I liked Johnny but yours are kind of ick.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

final thought: throw me with your best enchant scumcase. don't bother casing me tho.


p-edit: ok so suddenly we're not limming enchant. eh. i'm not gonna even approach this. if you tell me how what i'm saying bout n_m is scum-indic and how... as you say... you 'set me up' ..... meh it might pique my interest. but i'm sensing your pivoting here without solidity, now herta and tapio as mafia.......

maybe you fear tapiocaphobe being the actual Dark Angel, thus ending game for scum?

Eh. Later.

Why on earth would we be limming Enchant here? He’s probably one of my strongest trs.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

so junk junko basically: 'durr triggered my trap card'

-------------

so uh.... about this appeal to emotion, first saying how off PB Express is and then how folk are ignoring them, and folk need a leader and that's you....

What should we be noticing about what PBE is saying? should we be suspicious of toto? What you're saying here comes after PBE flipped town on you. I sense an agenda. Prove me wrong. meh. Time.

Why aren't you contemplating the idea of a theatre between me and Nancy?

Because you know it isn't

*Drops mic*

lol y u suckling on Not mafia's abomination milk?

*drops*

If you think NM is scum why aren’t you voting him? I don’t think he is because of Elements’ NK because scum doesn’t tend to nk slots that are strongly tr them based off of Occams Razor. Scum don’t like to go out of their way to make things more difficult for them then they have to me.

Scum usually nks for one of three reasons:

Tprs that scare them: not applicable in this game.
Townies that sr them.
Town seen as not miselimable.
Sure wifom kills are possible too and I’m not yet convinced I’m wrong on Toto but rn they look better than you. Toto callling my obvtowning “flailing” was kind of ick too but their recent posts look seem better so idk. \_0_/
Tap and Herta seem unlikely to be mafia. I still lean town on both but I guess DA could also be possible but your reaction is just dafuq man, seriously.
Oh and I think I’m right about Elmo who keeps looking better.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

And who are your trs then? Everyone who’s already been nobilized?

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

Polar: I am voting N_M. Otherwise, I don't see much in the way of concreteness on your N_M and Enchant reads. You keep incepting that they're town, and... there's fluff... and not much else. Calling my tone scummy, sure, but where are you coming from, with such certainty, on these two slots?



Tapiocaphobe: Uh ok? Thanks for explaining those reads, and your vote on me with junko.

Well, read my ISO. I think I’ve probably explained my reasons and if you disagree on any of them, mention a specific one because I think I’ve been pretty clear.

I’m probably a lot more confident on Enchant than NM but I don’t see why scum!NM kills Elements who was hard tr him. That could also probably apply to Herta as well.

Killing slots that tr just seems counterintuitive to me unless scum as an alternative reason to make those kills. I’m not ruling it out that scum could kill slots tr them for towncred but not likely so early in the game, I would think.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

So basically no comment from tapiocaphobe on me calling them as Dark Angel, except a vote I guess. I'll explain that whenever. Then junko pivoting on: enchant/eira/herta/phobe then eira/phobe/herta.

----

Phobe: Votes eira with junko, calls junko/herta as well.

------

Tapiocaphobe, what makes you think Polar Bear Express can be Dark Angel?

I think they could be because everyone they omitted from either mafia or DA was slots who have already been nobilized.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

Actually missed this. Why are us and Toto more likely to be DA and Eira/Herta, mafia?

I would also like your reasoning for why you think I have the strongest DA equity, because you really haven’t explained any of this.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Tapiocaphobe

I still think you’re probably town but you not mentioning having any trs other than the already nobilized gave me possible DA pings.

So if you get nobilized and game doesn’t end, I think my tr on you was probably correct.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Think we won.

Gonna sign up for another game.

If I’m right about Tap and her entire ISO tends to make me think I am, it probably doesn’t matter but I think mafia won’t vote Tap, so whomever doesn’t heal Tap is probably scumclaiming.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

if I understand correctly the game doesn't end if the DA wins, only if town nobilizes DA, right?
if so I don't think it's super important we find DA right now, nobilizing townies would be better imo

not_mafia and enchant need to go at this point. Fake claiming is anti-town.

their posts have been troll so far but I doubt it's scum-motivated

I am going to request now that I not be the target of nobility at any point this game. I think we should shoot for mobilizing the vampire or whatever they are and so don’t bother with me to narrow it down.

VOTE: Porkens

i think it's unlikely scum would think enchant is DA but it's possible

i think it's unlikely scum would think enchant is DA but it's possible

Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

But it’s in scum’s interest to try to pick whomever they think it could be right? So why would scum pick Enchant if they didn’t think that?

Because if they pick someone they don’t think is very likely to be DA, doesn’t that just wind up potentially ICing that slot?

I think it’s far more likely scum did think that no?

~N

i imagine he's a really easy person to give doublevote to if he ended up not being DA

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

It’s still possible that I could be wrong and she’s just town but all of these posts kind of give me DA vibes but her reaction to the heals should be telling.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

But it’s this post in particular. Why can there be no mafia in the nobilized but those are the only players she trs. So that’s the main reason I think it’s her.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Nah. I’m town. Watching the bear flail was fun though.

yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes

sorry
-A

[Polar Bear Express]

I take that Toto post pretty much as a scum claim. Town has no reason to explain why they didn't say anything. If I saw a fight go down and didn't feel like participating, I would see zero reason to explain that to anyone.

Eirlox-Toto scum team. gun to head power solve.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

If I’m wrong and you’re actually town here, then give me actual reasons to resscess not this bs.

Your reasons are scum!me shot elements and passenger, can you think of reasons that would happen if I'm town? If so, what do I need to debunk? If not, you are just either bad or scum. You can call it omgus but I call it truth. Truth hurts.

Is it because I was wrong on my scum read on Porkens? What about the other half of town that lolhammered them when I was afk? Do you town read them?

What about yesterday wagon? I was basically afk the entire time. Why do you not scum read Enchant after lolhammering not one but two people? What about not_mafia doing the same?

Basically your case on me is either badly thought out, inconsistent or made up.

or maybe toto is just really defensive town. maybe, i could see it.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

When I saw passanger dead on day start the first thought that came to mind is probably scum trying to frame me

bleh

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

This also pinged me a bit. Why ask this? Were you hoping to maybe push me had Enchant expressed suspicion on me?

Your town read on Enchant seemed a bit weird to me at the time given I was not town reading them. Also Enchant was not really engaging much beyond troll posting so seemed like a good question to ask at the time to get reads out of them.

Also generally your analysis has been a bit black/white which does raise my suspicion on your slot a little bit. You are a hydra too which complicates things a bit in terms of reading you.

I accidentally read backwards but this post and another one voting us and saying they'll flip green. all look. terrible. toto is solidly in the solve. eirlok is maybe in the solve. i find their cascade of questions scummy atm.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

so sorry for butchering spelling your name eiralox btw. im super tired and didn't feel like checking. A is out.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

I dont think Eira wants to die, Junko can be town today, Herta is being herta, Tapocaphobe it is.

HEAL: tapio

last post because i cant help it. this is scum c'mon guys. scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

Eh.... shit tbh herta doesnt give me da vibes. Phobe screamt it n2.

Herta total null rn. I need to reread and proper vote analyze at sum point.


Phobe is more concerned with enobling than finding scum imo and I might say more in time when pwr comes on soon.

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

Sorry don’t mean to be rude but I really have no clue what you just said in either of these posts.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

What do you agree with? I don’t even understand what he said and if you seriously think I could be scum here, you have absolutely no clue how to read me and Noraa is nothing like she was in LOST here. You should be tr us for Noraa posts alone.

But if Tap is DA, town wins and then maybe I’ll get a scummie nom if I’m actually right or something.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Eh.... shit tbh herta doesnt give me da vibes. Phobe screamt it n2.

Herta total null rn. I need to reread and proper vote analyze at sum point.


Phobe is more concerned with enobling than finding scum imo and I might say more in time when pwr comes on soon.

This is clearly untrue. I was tunnelling Toto all day, so why are you saying things are clearly false?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Why are you so sure about phobe and not herta

Am I literally the only one who needs an Eira translator? It seems like it.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I honestly can’t tell if Eira thinks we’re town, DA or mafia from his posts.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

I tr you in Terminator too until Koba fucked with us in dead thread.

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Just reiterating the different wincons. I think I’m disagreeing with Noraa, I don’t think it’s Toto anymore.

VOTE: Eiralox

If you’re going to tell outright lies about my play, you’re getting voted.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Just reiterating the different wincons. I think I’m disagreeing with Noraa, I don’t think it’s Toto anymore.

VOTE: Eiralox

If you’re going to tell outright lies about my play, you’re getting voted.

~N

Noraa’s as well. It obviously complete bs to say that either of us aren’t scumhunting.

[Polar Bear Express]

wow ok this ultra defensive rant comes out of nowhere.

i'll make this very clear: I stated that Phobe, as in tapiocaphobe, is more concerned with enobling than scumhunting. so...... wtf is this knee jerk? this whole.... explosion bout something i never said bout u?

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And if u need an eira translator, adn seemingly that's your only reason for being on me discounting the...... phobe razorwire attack here, well......


what i said was pretty clear. so. not even engaging with this further.

It’s not clear to me at all. I couldn’t make sense of anything you said other than we weren’t scum hunting which was obviously not true.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

so sure Phobe = PBE somehwat. but please tell me you got more than this for joining phobe and junko on 'eira is scum, i says so'.

bad look. lukcily i sorta still feel town on u so meh but not sure how im feeling about this launch yet.

We were scumhunting and you were suggesting we weren’t. Are you saying I misunderstood you then?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

wow ok this ultra defensive rant comes out of nowhere.

i'll make this very clear: I stated that Phobe, as in tapiocaphobe, is more concerned with enobling than scumhunting. so...... wtf is this knee jerk? this whole.... explosion bout something i never said bout u?

---------------------

And if u need an eira translator, adn seemingly that's your only reason for being on me discounting the...... phobe razorwire attack here, well......


what i said was pretty clear. so. not even engaging with this further.

It’s not clear to me at all. I couldn’t make sense of anything you said other than we weren’t scum hunting which was obviously not true.

~N

yeah im not translating now.


Y u still voting me?

I said Phobe isnt scumhunting. any other reason for being on me? well. hopefully when i come back.

Yeah well that’s why I voted you because that isn’t true.

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

Fine.

I don’t want to rush any elims but I’m going tp vote anyone who says anything about our play I know to be untrue.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

so sure Phobe = PBE somehwat. but please tell me you got more than this for joining phobe and junko on 'eira is scum, i says so'.

bad look. lukcily i sorta still feel town on u so meh but not sure how im feeling about this launch yet.

We were scumhunting and you were suggesting we weren’t. Are you saying I misunderstood you then?

~N

im not typing this again.

I’m not trying to be difficult here. I’m really having a very hard time understanding your posts and it’s not for a lack of trying.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

wow lol ur not even reading. yeah im done.

*pe-edit:


yeah ok this has been rollercoaster ride. whatever. later i guess.

I AM READING, I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND. Why are you not listening?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

so besides that, uh, mistranslation, what else is misunderstood?

If u backread u'll see that thus far ur the only player i've felt any sort of town on so if there's some mystery plz hash it out

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

Well since I had trouble understanding exactly what you were saying, I was looking for reactions to your posts to make sense of them, so I obviously shouldn’t have done that then.

It’s hard for me to scumhunt when we haven’t had a single mafia flip yet but that’s not from a lack of trying and DA hunting is protown because you can win the game if you get it right. I will have a much better idea about that when I see Tap’s reaction to the heal.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

so besides that, uh, mistranslation, what else is misunderstood?

If u backread u'll see that thus far ur the only player i've felt any sort of town on so if there's some mystery plz hash it out

Re bear da, bear most vt seeming one here for now. DA being bad vote town jackalin sheep skinalways a good strat tho so 95 on phobe and then all yall not nobled factored in 5

I actually agree. Nancy loves to pocket me as scum for some reason though, so not absolutely sure.

HEAL: Tapio

Well since I had trouble understanding exactly what you were saying, I was looking for reactions to your posts to make sense of them, so I obviously shouldn’t have done that then.

It’s hard for me to scumhunt when we haven’t had a single mafia flip yet but that’s not from a lack of trying and DA hunting is protown because you can win the game if you get it right. I will have a much better idea about that when I see Tap’s reaction to the heal.

~N

basically enchant agreeing with me that u seem very town but not completely. i did say 'vt-seeming' tho, so while that's +town a good scum/DA can also pull that off. what makes me hesitate is the void of other possible 'definite VT's'. Candidates yeah but no shiners.

I dislike that you’re hedgey on us and not liking anyone else either. I don’t know what you are but it’s something scum’s a lot more likely to do then town. I didn’t hate Johnny’s posting so willing to wait a bit but your posting so far isn’t impressing me.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

agh it could actually be Bear too

Nancy are you the DA?

I think it’s Tap, why are you changing your heal?

[Polar Bear Express]

wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

Then your mind needs an effective degreaser. Why did Johnny have to be replaced?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

he is onto us by the way, watch out

For someone who’s been posting as much as he has, you’d think he has some decent reads, other than DA. Because that read actually makes logical sense.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

Then your mind needs an effective degreaser. Why did Johnny have to be replaced?

~N

definitely. graft one in.

eh maybe my presence is repulsive. i have virtuous aims tho. Poor Johnny's ded and that's that. can't say no more can I, happens to us all.

Anyway that's just a early teaming. we'll see. i'm gonna go watch some choral thing.

Please, can you in the meantime, i ask again, tell me more on why enchant and n_m town? they're kinda awol atm so once i'll re-read ill get a feel on past thems but meanwhile u have them green i'd like to have some idea as to why.

Hmm . . . I think you could be town, so who am I wrong on? Still don’t understand why NM got nobilized. Why wouldn’t scum be trying to appoint DA?

I need to reread the game. I think Tap is my most likely guess for DA. Beyond that, unsure.

[Polar Bear Express]

yeh you're the noble here it's kinda important to hear your voice. how do you feel on Junko, N_M, and Enchant after the freedom hammer?

Yeah I didn't want this but I also feel like I didn't have a choice in this and all it did Was clear me of being the DA which died out hunting for them on day one. Which was nice. I don't think Porkens and NM are the same alignment. The hydra is town or my reads are really odd this game.

Junko why do you push so hard on me? It's never going to work and I mean if yall think I'm scum man my town has always been trash. And sorry holidays are rough for me. Aside that

Polar is town
Eiralox not sure
Toto town leaning
Junko feels scummy.
Porkens and nm one is scum.
Herta town.

Alright so it's 8 hrs late. But bear with me.

Is it bad i can't put a vote down due to the double vote and I don't want a third lul hammer

Side note Porkens is town.

Junko feels like scum trying to get brownie points

Wait what? @Elmo you need to explain how you tr Porkens prior to flip and suddenly you have him as scum with NM?

Idk if I buy this dumbtell. How do you not only not know who flipped but do a complete 180 on a dead slot no less? Last time I saw someone sr a dead town was scum!GrandpaMo in Anything uPick.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I have no idea why Tapia was choosed as DA, for me it's randomchoice. I don't know way to deduce DA but reluctance to be noble.

Bear shows reluctance to be noble.

"hm"

No I don’t care but since I’m not why wouldn’t I want to elect my best guess for DA? She has no non-nobilized trs. She has only non-nobilized slots as either mafia or DA.

My Enchant tr is fading.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

How is Enchant completely ignoring this?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: Elmo

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

How is Enchant completely ignoring this?

~N

Incorrect, i saw this post.


Why you panicking? I just hmed on you and you panicking.

I’m not panicking, I’m doubting you.

Why are all the nobilized town? All we know for sure is that they can’t be DA.
I’m suss on you now because you were in LOST and should recognize that this is absolutely town!Noraa here and I’m not playing anything like I did in E/O K either. I’m playing similarly to how I played in the last game we played so I’m starting to think your read on me is disingenuous.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Elmo/Enchant?

I think Eira’s probably town since I think his Tap DA read looks genuine to me.

I’m clearly trying to solve here and Enchant instead of having any opinion whatsoever on my solve has suddenly been doubting me ever since I healed Tap. Why is he suddenly trying to shade me?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

I think you know I’m not DA and don’t want to heal Tap because you don’t want town to win.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

I think you know I’m not DA and don’t want to heal Tap because you don’t want town to win.

~N

I have no idea.

Why am I more likely to be DA than someone who has no trs amongst the non-nobilized?

And what did you think about what I said about Elmo - saying Porkens is town, then after he flipped town - suddenly one scum between him and NM?

You’re just pretty much ignoring everything I’m posting. Why?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

How is Enchant completely ignoring this?

~N

Incorrect, i saw this post.


Why you panicking? I just hmed on you and you panicking.

You saw this post but have no reaction to it other than I’m “panicking”?

Town!Enchant would have an opinion on that post and not just. auto direct it to mean. You don’t give any reasons for disagreeing with my take, you just flat out ignored it.

If Tap doesn’t get elected and becomes hidden noble, poweryeet Enchant.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: eiralox
HEAL: bears

i think there's scum in eira/junko/herta and DA in PBE/toto/junko

How is Enchant completely ignoring this?

~N

Incorrect, i saw this post.


Why you panicking? I just hmed on you and you panicking.

You saw this post but have no reaction to it other than I’m “panicking”?

Town!Enchant would have an opinion on that post and not just auto deflect it to me. You don’t give any reasons for disagreeing with my take, you just flat out ignored it.

If Tap doesn’t get elected and becomes hidden noble, poweryeet Enchant.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: Bear

Nah

I think you know I’m not DA and don’t want to heal Tap because you don’t want town to win.

~N

I have no idea.

Why am I more likely to be DA than someone who has no trs amongst the non-nobilized?

And what did you think about what I said about Elmo - saying Porkens is town, then after he flipped town - suddenly one scum between him and NM?

You’re just pretty much ignoring everything I’m posting. Why?

~N

Because you react rapid on my mere suggestion.


I don't care how much you point about how you played and when you did that and how you did that, value of you pointing this is zero, if not negative.
If you know how you act as town, you can fake it. I am not going to fall on this.


By the way, i have shit memory. So expectance me to remember LOST which i just brutally lurked out is funny.

You have yet to say jack on my reasoning for Tap DA read and I’m not the only one who thinks she has decent DA equity and you continue to not have any opinion on that whatsoever. You keep focusing on me, offer no opinion on either my Tap DA read nor my Elmo sr. I find that extremely suss.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I still have no clue why it point at Tapio being DA.

Because she has no trs amongst the non nobilized. She also didn’t think you were nobilized because scum thought you were DA, when it’s right there in the OP that it’s in mafia wincon to nobilze DA. I think NM could be right that maybe he got nobilized because mafia figured it out.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

If Elmo heals Tap, maybe I will.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

[Polar Bear Express]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

If Elmo heals Tap, maybe I will.

~N

But if Tap is DA, then game ends in our win and vote on me is irrelevant?

If she’s DA and gets nobilized by mafia instead of elected we don’t win, so it’s in mafia’s interest not to elect DA and what about my Elmo/Eira reads? No opinion on any of that either?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

You more fill this bill, no?

I made cases, gave reasons, so you should have an opinion on what I said.

[Polar Bear Express]

Then vote me and cease with my brainwashing.

If Elmo heals Tap, maybe I will.

~N

But if Tap is DA, then game ends in our win and vote on me is irrelevant?

If she’s DA and gets nobilized by mafia instead of elected we don’t win, so it’s in mafia’s interest not to elect DA and what about my Elmo/Eira reads? No opinion on any of that either?

~N

I think Eira town, not sure about Elma.

Yes I too think Eira’s town and one of the reasons I think that is his confident DA read that he’s actually healing. That’s a protown stance.

Wrt Elmo, I’m suspicious about his Porkens’ dumbtell. He called him town pre-flip and in his readslist he has him being possible scum if NM isn’t.

So, I find that suss: both the dumbtell but even worse the read change after he already flipped.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm the hidden noble

why do you think scum nobled you twice instead of hunting for DA and maybe getting a free kill? Doesn't make sense way I see it.

How should I know? Maybe they've figured out the DA and the DA is pushing miselims

Maybe NM is onto something with this?

~N

Are you being intentionally obtuse here Enchant?

You more fill this bill, no?

I made cases, gave reasons, so you should have an opinion on what I said.

???

Why is your first instinct to doubt me rather than look at my solve? I could actually understand it if you thought it was bad or something but you expressed the doubt before having any opinion on it whatsoever.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Asking about "If mafia can make self noble" looked out of place as well.

When did I ever do that? That was Toto.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I am hidden noble

@mod

1/ Can mafia self-select (i.e. pick a member of mafia) as hidden noble?
2/ Can they not select anyone as hidden noble?

Hey @Enchant, if you’re going to shade me, at least get your facts straight.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I didn't really understand your conclusion that Tapiocaphobe was DA either, Nancy, but I saw a process from you that looked genuine and was willing to follow it.

<3
Well it was based on her having no trs amongst the non-nobilized.

VOTE: Enchant

I’m getting the sense that he only started having issues with me after I pushed Tap as DA. He seems to be looking for any reason to shade me, which would actually fit with NM being hidden noble. Enchant’s behaviour is just making me more and more confident that he agrees with my Tap DA read but is mafia not wanting to elect her.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m not 100% certain if Tap is DA but she’s currently my best guess for it but Enchant’s behaviour towards me makes me think that he agrees with that read and is doing anything to either shade/discredit me or ignore any of my arguments, so he doesn’t have to elect her. Attributing something Toto asked to me as shade, is just the icing on the cake.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

@mod Can mafia pick one of their own for hidden noble?

No, you get your facts straight.

Oh, okay I thought you were trying to shade me with this.

VOTE: Elmo

[Polar Bear Express]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

They haven’t posted, how are they supposed to do pushback?

In fact, they’re due for a prod.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

At this rate I really don't think I have thick enough skin for this mess.

What about the Porkens’ thing? Why did you put a dead townie in your PoE after saying they were town pre-flip?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Elmo can be 100% scum.but with nm hidden noble maybelets collate first?

Elaborate?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

Yeah id liveto hear from phobe but eh.

This can be risky play from scum junko if phobe da? Possible.

I’m not DA, does that help you solve Junko?

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

Are you afraid we hit da Herta?

If you all want to noble me that's fine, but I don't get your logic here. Oh I see it's you think I may be mafia and am afraid the game ends with a hammer. If that were the case I'd unheal Tapiocaphobe.

I think Herta’s town who didn’t bother checking activity chart. Tap hasn’t posted in over 2 days and I don’t know if they’re offsite and don’t know they’re being healed or avoiding the game.

~N

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I don't get your logic Junko?

And you never Will

@PBE what do You think of what just happened?

Read Trees, I think Herta’s probably confused town here.

I still think Elmo/Enchant but less confident on Enchant but his sudden shade and DA push on me makes me think I could be right. He didn’t come after me until I pushed Tap as DA and it didn’t look to me like he was reading my solves in good faith.

~N

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Elmo is an early scumlean

Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if my solve of DA: Tap, Mafia: Elmo/Enchant was correct. Town!Enchant would have made more of an effort to engage with my reasoning but he just shades/ignores/discredits me without considering any of my arguments.

~N

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wish i could sleep. have fun!

Polar Bear Express/Junkochan: It keeps sticking in my mind.

Buuuuut............ It's one possibility. need to analyze before i post again.

Then your mind needs an effective degreaser. Why did Johnny have to be replaced?

~N

definitely. graft one in.

eh maybe my presence is repulsive. i have virtuous aims tho. Poor Johnny's ded and that's that. can't say no more can I, happens to us all.

Anyway that's just a early teaming. we'll see. i'm gonna go watch some choral thing.

Please, can you in the meantime, i ask again, tell me more on why enchant and n_m town? they're kinda awol atm so once i'll re-read ill get a feel on past thems but meanwhile u have them green i'd like to have some idea as to why.

This one? I think NM is probably town and Herta too for Elements’ kill. Herta just sounds very sincere to me and NM often has good instincts plus, Elmo had good reason to kill Elements. I no longer tr Enchant. I don’t believe his takes on me. Town!Enchant wouldn’t have just shaded me and ignored any of my arguments. Passenger was pretty obvtown.

~N

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I am the hidden noble.

Wtf

+1

UNVOTE:

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I'm the hidden noble

I am the hidden noble.

@NM, I think you’ve got some ‘splaining to do.

~N

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Nancy i have a proposition

Shoot. I think I believe Eira > NM because Eira never having been nobilized makes way more sense than NM because scum wants to nobilize DA, so probably means NM is scum then?


Maybe NM/ + Elmo/Enchant then?

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If 2 people hammer eiralox after E-2 they are scumclaiming

I don’t think we should risk it especially since either NM or Enchant could take refuge in their meta as being lolhammerers.

~N

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Elmo Teh Azn, can you share your feel on enchant with me? And maybe why porkens town = Not_Mafia scum!

Cos if N_M scum here it means scum enobled one of their own, for more voting power. Because: Double nobling a town and forgoing a chance at an extra kill doesnt make much sense. Then N_M mentioned that maybe scum knew DA and they were pushing mis-elims.... but then who is DA? I haven't found a slot that really fits that model of the DA, it makes more sense that scumteam enobled their own, foregoing one chance at an extra kill you have double vote and clear N_M as in: 'First N_M couldn't be DA, now with this ploy we'll convince 'em that N_M isn't scum either.'

But that still begs the question of would that be worth it? maybe scumteam felt N_M was a viable elim after end D2, so this is a ploy to save scum! N_M or at least increase their rep?

cos on the whole, number wise i still think getting that Day Kill is worth more than trying some fancy ploy to throw off flak, if N_M i scum. if N_M isn't, well i get what enchant and N_m are saying but all in all, with the game state as it was end D2, i'm not sure how scum could know who DA is?

I mean im 95% sure its Tapiocaphobe anyway but either way i say it: enobling someone twice can only be helpful for scum if they get doublevote? otherwise you're giving town extra votes, if you miss DA. eh. I really don't see how 'N_M might trollvote' could counter 'we remove DA and get a daykill' which like..... can make things all kinda easier for any scumteam.

Found it.

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@mod Can mafia pick one of their own for hidden noble?

No, you get your facts straight.

Mod already disputed this. So NM/Enchant looks like.

~N

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Nancy i have a proposition

Shoot. I think I believe Eira > NM because Eira never having been nobilized makes way more sense than NM because scum wants to nobilize DA, so probably means NM is scum then?


Maybe NM/ + Elmo/Enchant then?

If 2 people hammer eiralox after E-2 they are scumclaiming

I don’t think we should risk it especially since either NM or Enchant could take refuge in their meta as being lolhammerers.

~N

I'm going to use a phrase that i hate to read

What does scum!nm gain from fake claiming noble and hidden nobling someone besides an unnecesary stand off?

Idk, I’ve been tr him otherwise.

~N

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I am hidden noble

@mod

1/ Can mafia self-select (i.e. pick a member of mafia) as hidden noble?
2/ Can they not select anyone as hidden noble?

The mafia may select any player other than the night kill. They must select someone as a hidden noble.

Only the extra vote for the hidden noble is not shown.

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But if yall wanna be impatient and tie me to a volcano sure

Nancy i have a proposition

Shoot. I think I believe Eira > NM because Eira never having been nobilized makes way more sense than NM because scum wants to nobilize DA, so probably means NM is scum then?


Maybe NM/ + Elmo/Enchant then?

If 2 people hammer eiralox after E-2 they are scumclaiming

I don’t think we should risk it especially since either NM or Enchant could take refuge in their meta as being lolhammerers.

~N

I'm going to use a phrase that i hate to read

What does scum!nm gain from fake claiming noble and hidden nobling someone besides an unnecesary stand off?

Idk, I’ve been tr him otherwise.

~N

Yes i know, but this claim came from eiralox

What AM saying is, why even claim hidden noble as scum while nobling someone else?

Yeah good point, he would know he’d be CC’d.

~N

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Maybe Enchant’s just being bad town? \_0_/

~N

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Enchant’s probably town here.

Thinking bad town.

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Maybe Enchant’s just being bad town? \_0_/

~N

Not more than Say Phoebe or herta if they are town

???

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Fuck it. Junko seriously get over yourself. You really make it not fun
Gg I'm town.

DA get the win.

Also DA by my logic dies tonight

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

~N

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Tapiocaphobe* and herta

Oh you had me wondering. Not Tap but I should link you to Trees. I played a game with scum!Herta and I don’t recall him sounding particularly confused about anything.

~N

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Other than scumclaim?

Yeah, it sounds like he’s claiming DA but we know that’s impossible so yeah, Elmo is extremely likely to be scum.

~N

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I SEE, i have never played with herta or tapioca, so i'm just judging by play here

Never played with Tap before.

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Fuck it. Junko seriously get over yourself. You really make it not fun
Gg I'm town.

DA get the win.

Also DA by my logic dies tonight

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

~N

I did, feels fake to me

I agree, I think he’s obvious scum with this.

~N