OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

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So the situation as I see it, probably one scum trying to shitpush me and an unless it’s NM, one horribly bad town who’s being incredibly dense.

Enchant is locktown and making sense and if Math is town here, he should fucking listen because if he’s town we will lose because his being dense once again.

I metadived Tap last night and she’s more of a tryhard as scum so rn think Herta/NM. but if it is Math who is knowingly shitpushing me instead of just being once again terrible at reading me, I will be livid.

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And @Math if you’re town here, ISO Noraa in LOST and tell me any of her posts here look anything like LOST. I don’t gaf if you were scum in that. If you’re town here, you need to do your due diligence and do that.

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MegAzumarill was eliminated. MegAzumarill was

Spoiler: MegAzumarill

Dark Angel

. MegAzumarill exits the game in a win.

Herta has been elected as Noble for Night 4. There is no noble mechanic once the game reaches 3:2.

Day 5 begins in (expired on 2022-12-24 13:44:01). Fast Night is possible if all living players agree.

So it’s just Nancy + Nora and maybe Herta?

Nancy didn’t want to do Meg with me because she would lose and didn’t want to show her ISOing but she fucked up her votes?

Like that’s the vibe I have.

Hey Math, if you think it’s Herta, then help me bus them because it’s not me and I bet the game it’s not Enchant, so it can only be two of Herta/NM/you.

I’m not sure if I’ll be more pissed at you if you’re being obtuse again or shitpushing me but I am not pleased here because we will lose.

All 3 of any of you, Herta and NM should know I’m town here and the player who’s generally not great at reading me is the only one who correctly is. Unfortunately that isn’t too helpful because he’s also my most confident tr.

The fact that someone who claims to not be garbage at tech is accusing me of hidden nobilizing myself is just mind blowingly stupid.

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And before I get into trouble here, I’m not saying anything about you personally but the suggestion that I am either lying about HN when it’s confirmed or that I would HN myself.

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Again not saying anything disrespectful about anyone’s intellect but the bat shit insane conclusion that there’s a world it makes sense for me to be mafia here. Which either one of Herta/Math if it’s just one and they aren’t the exact team - ought to be hard kicking themselves here and then kick themselves sole more until reason actually sinks in.

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Official Vote Count 5.00

Elimination

Not Voting

(5): MathBlade, Herta, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-01-03 13:56:16).

Mod notes:

• There are no nobility mechanics in ELO
  
• With 5 players alive, 3 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Day 5 begins!

Just wanted to check this but rn, my votes probably going to go on Herta because he can’t even have the rxcuse for being terrible at reading me, if he’s town.

Math if town just ignores all evidence that I’m tow and I don’t want to mistakenly vote the townie in Math/NM/Herta because I’m already kicking myself for being bamboozled by Mega.

If it’s not NM, then whomever is the townie here between Herta/Math, start convincing me it’s not you. I think it’s probably Herta + one ov NM/Math.

I guess it depends on if Math actually believed noble was Mega because I do think his emotions were genuine. I think it’s probably Herta because he kept asking if he could win with DA, which pinged tf out of me.

@Enchant what do you think?

I thinj it’s probably Herta/NM because NM lied about HN and both Math and NM sr Herta, so it be surprising if it’s exactly Math/NM and neither were distancing.

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I mean let’s play along a moment.

In what world do you think insulting me has me listen to anything you’re saying?

I didn’t insult YOU but your sr on me because if you’re the townie between Herta/NM/you, we’re going to lose and I don’t want to lose just because once again you can’t read me.

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And I’m sorry if you interpreted that way. Both me and Noraa expected to be the nk, Noraa especially.

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It’s not me and I don’t believe it’s Enchant, so I think it’s probably Herta/NM because Tap is much more of a tryhard as scum so meta points to that more likely,

But I think Herta was being incredibly suss and you said he and Mega we’re backing each other up, so I don’t want to rush this day but he’s currently my strongest guess for scum here and least likely to flip town imo.

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I did when you were posting thoughts that were present. I am not weighing on Eira’s posts because they’re long ramble posts that do nothing but say I am scum without a reason why: I obviously disagree.

You’re being contrary for the sake of it because you didn’t ISO anyone or you’d reach the conclusion Herta isn’t the DA. You also didn’t post conclusions. Yes I said I would sheep you but that was when you were posting reasons why. You’re not anymore. It’s like you abandoned reason just because it’s me.

And Eira doesn’t make sense it’s all just Math + NM without reason and I know it’s false

Are you just not reading? I believed Meg was DA not noble.

So then maybe it is just Herta/NM then?

That was my solve post-flip, I really can’t see how it’s not Herta. If anyone has any arguments for town!Herta I’m willing to listen but rn my gut wants them to eat rope.

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I actually think my thinking it was NM/Math is probably the reason I didn’t die. I think maybe Herta was maybe hoping I’d push Math?

I just really think it’s Herta. Math sounds kind of townie.

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And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

Actually if I'm healed and we eliminate mafia today, I get two votes tomorrow, so that's okay. At worst mafia get a dayvig tomorrow, but that's after I'm elected noble.

Is this real dumbtelling? *doubt*

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I don’t see a town Herta world here.

Yeah he had to know it was Mega and he still healed himself and voted her, I think you’re probably right. I’m just going to ISO him but scum!NM would distance. He’s done that in pretty much every scumgame.

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Official Vote Count 2.04

Elimination

Freedom

(6): JunkoChan, Herta,

Not_Mafia

, Passenger, Enchant

<--HAMMER

Not Voting

(6): Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Toto, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express, Freedom

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Elmo TeH AzN

(4): Toto, Freedom, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(6):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Passenger, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-11 09:40:07).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination
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• Will be looking for a replacement for JohnnyFarrar.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Enchant's claim of hidden noble on Day 2 was true.

No one bothered to correct this misstatement.

This is true, it took 6 votes and 7 needed to hammer, so Enchant’s lock confirmed as HN.

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I was HN on Day 2, not afterwards.

So in that 2.04 VC it shows Not Mafia's elected noble double vote at elimination, but it doesn't show your hidden noble double vote.

Proven that this is absolute horseshit.

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Herta’s trying to get us to doubt Enchant, so he can widen the PoE. Yeah he’s scum lol.

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So there were actually 5 votes on Meg but one doesn't show even though it counted.

On Day 2 there were 7 votes on Freedom but one doesn't show even though it counted.

So there's no way for Town to confirm Hidden Nobles.

More bullshit. Herta’s obvious scum here.

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UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

Official Vote Count 4.04

Elimination

MegAzumarill

(4): Enchant, Polar Bear Express, Herta, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Herta

(1):Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(3):

MathBlade

, Eiralox

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Herta

(4): Eiralox, MegAzumarill, Polar Bear Express, Herta

MegAzumarill

(2): Enchant, Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(1): MathBlade

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

Official Vote Count 4.04

Elimination

MegAzumarill

(4): Enchant, Polar Bear Express, Herta, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Herta

(1):Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(3):

MathBlade

, Eiralox

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Herta

(4): Eiralox, MegAzumarill, Polar Bear Express, Herta

MegAzumarill

(2): Enchant, Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(1): MathBlade

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.
  
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

[Polar Bear Express]

Herta has some serious chutzpah if he seriously thinks he can bamboozle two HNs.

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Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

Also more bs because Tap wasn’t even online att, so how could they push back?

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Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

@Herta protip, dumbtelling doesn’t work when you contradict yourself. lol

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Enchant cannot be scum because he is confirmed Day 2 Hidden Noble.

Leaves pool of {Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill}

Herta is out of course.

Meg is DA.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia}

Eiralox & PBE are unconfirmed but claimed Hidden Nobles. There's no authentic counterlcaim (N_M help please) to either. So I have to assume they're true claiming. Therefore they cannot be scum.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Not_Mafia}

From my perspective, assuming the true claims, that's the exact team.

Herta apparently thinks we’re all idiots here or something. *smdh*

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UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

Official Vote Count 4.04

Elimination

MegAzumarill

(4): Enchant, Polar Bear Express, Herta, MegAzumarill

<--HAMMER

Herta

(1):Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(3):

MathBlade

, Eiralox

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Herta

(4): Eiralox, MegAzumarill, Polar Bear Express, Herta

MegAzumarill

(2): Enchant, Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(1): MathBlade

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Herta, if you’re town you outright gamethrew with this because you knew Mega has to be DA but I think you’re probably just scum.

I don’t see how you can be town here with this vote and heal.

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mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

This is also seriously scummy af.

I think it’s you and pretty NM for lying about HN but Mega could not have been nobiled without your vote. I think that pretty much confirms you as scum.

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From Enchant's POV, PBE is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

From PBE's POV, Enchant is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

I'm the one that has it easy, because I'm the only town that can mechanically deduce the scum team.

Dafuq?

Me and and Enchant can’t why exactly?

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From Enchant's POV, PBE is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

From PBE's POV, Enchant is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

I'm the one that has it easy, because I'm the only town that can mechanically deduce the scum team.

Of course Enchant is clear because it’s obvious that scum thought they’d be getting a free daykill by nobilizing me, that’s why it’s beyond obvious that Enchant and Eira were town,

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And scum can’t hidden noble themselves because?

Why does scum nobilize me if Enchant self-nobilized? Makes absolutely no sense.

And he was willing to heal/vote either way so had no agenda with his heal/vote.

Scum absolutely wanted/needed that daykill, so it’s counterintuitive for them not to try to find DA.

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VOTE: not_mafia

And if it’s NM, how do we know you’re not bussing with this?

Your self-heal and Mega vote was terrible and no one looks worse than you because of it.

I do think NM is probably your buddy because of my Tap metadive. And I actually think Math is bad enough as town to still sr me, despite blatant evidence to the contrary proving I’m town.

But I want to wait for NM before I vote. Also where are all of the Math/Tap and NM associatives if it’s not you? Scum!NM has bussed in pretty much every scumgame and he never pushed either Tap or Math that I can recall?

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And scum can’t hidden noble themselves because?

Why does scum nobilize me if Enchant self-nobilized? Makes absolutely no sense.

And he was willing to heal/vote either way so had no agenda with his heal/vote.

Scum absolutely wanted/needed that daykill, so it’s counterintuitive for them not to try to find DA.

No idea? I was just pointing out the flaw in Herta’s argument as I know I am town. I figured since the main premise was destroyed the rest is fruit from the poisonous tree and glazed over it.

I think Herta’s scum by his heal/vote because he knew he wasn’t DA and I think he knew I had 2 votes and that Mega would hammer.

Why does town help put DA at E-1 here ever? Like for anyone else. that would be nia but for Herta who knew it had to be Mega, I think it has to be him.

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I think Herta is the obvious vote here but just want to wait for NM to post before I vote but I think it’s Herta/NM. My gut is screaming for Herta to ear rope.

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And scum can’t hidden noble themselves because?

Why does scum nobilize me if Enchant self-nobilized? Makes absolutely no sense.

And he was willing to heal/vote either way so had no agenda with his heal/vote.

Scum absolutely wanted/needed that daykill, so it’s counterintuitive for them not to try to find DA.

No idea? I was just pointing out the flaw in Herta’s argument as I know I am town. I figured since the main premise was destroyed the rest is fruit from the poisonous tree and glazed over it.

I think Herta’s scum by his heal/vote because he knew he wasn’t DA and I think he knew I had 2 votes and that Mega would hammer.

Why does town help put DA at E-1 here ever? Like for anyone else. that would be nia but for Herta who knew it had to be Mega, I think it has to be him.

I’d rather focus one at a time.

Btw me + PBE clear

How is Enchant not? Enchant was HN on D2, so why wouldn’t scum be looking for DA then? I think Herta’s probably once again wifomming us with that NM vote. Think about it. You think scum!Herta can afford here not to bus?

He’s probably hoping that he can push you tomorrow.

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I think Herta is the obvious vote here but just want to wait for NM to post before I vote but I think it’s Herta/NM. My gut is screaming for Herta to ear rope.

I am definitely in wait and see mode.

Yeah it’s always good to wait for everyone to post. Anyway, I don’t think it’s you but I think it has to be Herta, so that’s probably the safest vote because he put Mega to E-1 knowing she had to be DA.

But in case we die tonight because I think if we lim Herta, game is the least likely to end today, it’s good to have as much info as possible.

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I got some Marvel Midnight Suns while we wait. I figure will see where the chips fall when they do.

I’d be surprised if they don’t vote Herta whatever they are.

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Okay I'm actually hidden noble this time

MegAzumarill was eliminated. MegAzumarill was

Spoiler: MegAzumarill

Dark Angel

. MegAzumarill exits the game in a win.

Herta has been elected as Noble for Night 4.

There is no noble mechanic once the game reaches 3:2.

Day 5 begins in (expired on 2022-12-24 13:44:01). Fast Night is possible if all living players agree.

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Still think it’s Enchant, @Math?

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Still think it’s Enchant, @Math?

or could be. NM sounds like he’s just lolcatting here.

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No reads just more trolling.

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If it’s not exactly Herta/NM, some serious gamethrowing is happening.

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Sorry Nancy. Noraa soul reads me and is one of the few who can

I mean

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NM gamethrew. That’s not okay,

So don’t pat yourself on the back for that Math.

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You don’t get cred just like Dann doesn’t get cred for winning the game that Junko gamethrew.

So yeah you TECHNICALLY won but but you don’t get props for it because NM gamethrew by self-voting.

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Oh I thought he self-voted. nm

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Sorry Nancy. Noraa soul reads me and is one of the few who can

I mean

awe was barely active bc i was playing an org

@Noraa You're underrated on how good you are as town on the site IMHO.

Okay? I don't take props? I don't remember an NM self vote? Maybe before my replace in?

The scum team was me and Enchant Nancy.

I did wonder why Eira died > Enchant,

So Herta, wtf were you thinking self-healing and voting Mega? You had to know she was DA right?

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Oh I thought he self-voted. nm

I think you're just stressed. I kinda wish it had gone with eliminate me tbh. I think that would have been more fun for everyone involved. I didn't expect the NM sus that hard.

Nora was right because you treat me horrible every game you’re town in and I’m not okay with that.

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So now I know, if Math treats me like a human being, odds are > rand he’s scum in that.

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So now I know, if Math treats me like a human being, odds are > rand he’s scum in that.

Sorry, shouldn’t have said this. I apologize.

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I don't think I do, but I don't think this is the proper place for that conversation?

Sure, I’m more than happy to have that convo with you on discord.

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But ze did say to me that you’re never that nice as town, so it’s not just me who thinks that.

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Sure when we aren’t in any games together. I have to check.

No offense but unless we’re playing in a secret alt game, I pretty much always expect you to treat me poorly. So I’ll admit this loss is especially hard on me for personal reasons.

So yeah had we limmed you and Enchant bamboozled me, I’d be a lot less upset rn.

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What did I do?

You didn’t do anything. PBE messed up who was voting where

What did I do?

You didn’t do anything. PBE messed up who was voting where

Yeah sorry NM, I just saw that cow hammer gif.

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Thanks for modding Marashu. Cool setup.