Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[GrandpaMo]

ok so if eveyrone followed to plan

scolosis, element, galron, gimli should have targeted me.

freedom, enchant, tabibitos, and i all should have targeted elements.

tabibitos was killed and elements was killed.

which is probably the semi worse scenario because they are not in the same group

i will be honest. I think mafia killed Tabibitos because of quack doctor in play. Knowing this info we can deduce the following

Paranoid and Naive Doc are not used. CPR doc is either scolosis, galron, gimli because if they were in Group B, then elements would have been saved. Quack Doctor is in Group B and is either freedom, enchant, or me becuase if they were in Group A, then another death would have occured. UNLESS TOWN DIDN'T FOLLOW THE SAVE ORDER. Elements should have been saved but they were killed because of quack doctor killing them. Mafia killed Tabibitos. Also this should look townier for me btw because of weak doc most li


CPR is in Scolosis, Galron, Gimli
Quack is in Freedom, Enchant, Grandpa
Weak, Paranoid, Naïve, Doc [paranoid, naive, doc really does no use here, however if weak was in group A, then I am confirmed town which most likely was] could have been in both groups.
Mafia is also part of two groups.

Yeah you are right this doesn't really give us a lot of favor.

But I think we can still win.

Listen this is how, since we know quack is in freedom, enchant, grandpa

WE NEED THAT GROUP TO TARGET A SCUM READ

we also know that CPR is in scolosis, galron, gimli

we might likely need that group to target nothing

this is because we run in the risk of town/mafia/ wifom dilema. we most likely can assume mafia will use their mechanic play of not killing someone that we choose to target in the CPR group because if they do, then they get saved. otherwise, if we target a scumread and we turn out to be wrong we have a chance of losing the game... but its better than quack group because CPR has a chance of survival just in case we are wrong but quack doesn't and we are 100 percent wrong if we are wrong.

There is a risk to it.

We CAN try it with both groups going for scumreads but there is risk for both of them especially quack

tldr;
CPR is in Scolosis, Galron, Gimli
Quack is in Freedom, Enchant, Grandpa
Weak, Paranoid, Naïve, Doc [paranoid, naive, doc really does no use here, however if weak was in group A, then I am confirmed town which most likely was] could have been in both groups.
Mafia is also part of two groups.

we can have CPR and Quack groups target scumreads but run a risk of killing the wrong person.

[GrandpaMo]

idk anymore. galron's vla should be over. so i should expect u to talk as well as scoilios u too were missing at end day
@galron
@scolosis

[GrandpaMo]

We are in MELO, right?

yes.

please take off all ur votes

u too @gimli

[GrandpaMo]

we can possibly NC here.

[GrandpaMo]

We are in MELO, right?

yes.

please take off all ur votes

u too @gimli

OK.
UNVOTE:

I need you to defend yourself.

Tell me why I should townread you.

[GrandpaMo]

if neither freedom nor galron is scum I'll gladly lose the game as well so it is what it is

yea just seems like if that's the case, in retrospect town!freedom or galron wasn't even trying.

town!tabibitos and elements were both scumreading freedom and galron. im down to do this.

[GrandpaMo]

i dont wanna call them out on throwing because they are not intentionally doing it.. it just gets mildly frustrating at times. like its obvious scum.

and if they are town, they just played poorly.

[GrandpaMo]

we flip today and have our quack doctor candidates hunting a SR at night. that looks solid. that way we go into next day with either a game over town win, or a 3 handed to figure shit out.

we lose tho if it get it wrong.

[GrandpaMo]

Well.
I'm not sure what to say because honestly, I think that being wrong on Vanders prompted me to put more effort to salvage the game.

u see what i mean? @gimli?

[GrandpaMo]

I didn't really want to eliminate vander, you know, but I wanted the gameday to be over and that's what elements preferred. I do think we had a very strong POE on d1, but now two of our most towny looking ones are dead, so our odds are slimmer. but we still got this, I think.

I think we only lose if scoliosis is the last wolf. I don't think it can be you. and I don't think freedom ever flips green, tbh.

this is exactly my thought process as i didnt want to push over vander either. my intuition was right. i will put u as top town!gimli -- i dont mind losing to u as scum. u played very well this game.

there has to be one in between freedom/galron. there has to be. im down to condemn freedom rn and have galron looked at during the night.

there is too much wifom with cpr and since we dont know exactly who is cpr, we cant risk it.

we can just have the quack group me and enchant target galron.

this is gonna be have to be a trust thing. ur gonna have to trust at least one of me and enchant is town because if we add any of the CPR members like u to that group then we risk having CPR protect a possible scum since CPR always resolves last. makes sense?

[GrandpaMo]

the only time we lose is if both galron and freedom is town and mafia gets a successful kill at night.

we also lose if quack isn't in the quack group and somewhere somehow my reasoning turns out to be wrong -- which i pray not to be.

[GrandpaMo]

yeah. quack candidates go to galron and non-quacks don't do NA. that's the plan.

quacks are you and enchant, iirc? so you two go galron

yea. assuming mafia killed tabibitos at night.

[GrandpaMo]

giv me a sec, im trying to recall why i thought tabibitos got killed and elements got quacked.

[GrandpaMo]

oh nvm cpr doc had to be in scolosis, galron, and you because if CPR was in freedom, enchant, tabibitos, then elements would have been saved as mafia would have targeted elements

[GrandpaMo]

me and

@enchant

,

we both need to target

GALRON

@everyone else, please do NOT do ANY NIGHT ACTIONS

[GrandpaMo]

and we vote who

freedom

[GrandpaMo]

@mod can i request u to prod scolosis and galron

[GrandpaMo]

Hiiiiiiiiiii

I'm town so please don't kill me

i dont feel like waiting another day and having my already confscum thought process change and adapt because somehow u play scum SO much better than the previous slot.


im going to request to hopefully hurry up in terms of reading the game and getting reads or at least some type of contribution down pat

[GrandpaMo]

meaning no one would use their NAs cause we're all unreliable doctors

i put that plan up and everyone hated it because no body liked playing mountanious lol

[GrandpaMo]

let's kill freedom before the slot gets replaced again tbh

can u tell me why ur town gimli?

u act like ur gonna just pass by all the weaves

[GrandpaMo]

if gimli +enchant are scum, then congrats yall win and deserve the win unless town!freedom slot somehow convinces me and changes the tide around then eh

[GrandpaMo]

tho I can also maybe flip galron

pls stop giving my mind ideas.

ur just like me.

u play exactly like me wtf this is the only reason im townreading u.

because u literally play how i am playing right now as town >> u have these specific thoughts right and then like ur mind is just all over place, u try to contribute and try to show effort and people scumread u at first because u doing work but then u end up being the most townread at the end of the game. its a weird sporatic townplaystyle

[GrandpaMo]

ik its bad to spec on replacements -- but makes u think why requested replacement in the first place.


VOTE: freedom

thats two votes

we dont even have enough for a majority lol.

enchant votes and we still need another person to vote. lol

STD u willing to hammer urself?

[GrandpaMo]

I think it's galron and scoliosis

I will not hammer myself

ffs

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE:

ok ok tell me why.

CONVINCE ME

IF UR TOWN USE ALL UR BRAINPOWER

[GrandpaMo]

problem is i dont think galron and freedom are paired tho.

i think there is one in them.

galron is most likely paired with scolosis.

freedom is most likely paired with gimli

[GrandpaMo]

I play by vibes thats just the vibes I got ill try to translate that into rational thought but it'll take me some time

m8 we dont have time. u literally said gimli might be scum.

tell me why. i was having that thought process too . they could be using me but i was like fuck it if they are scum, they win. ur slot didnt contribute shit and i rather lose to scum!gimli then town!freedom sorry freedom, not sorry.

[GrandpaMo]

Why is scoliosis so tr I don't remember anything they posted and I just read the game

i townread them becuase of their fast reads and they attacked me and others that werent willing tobe attacked. i relook all slots today probably.

[GrandpaMo]

Why do you think gimli and I are paired I feel like gimlis been trying to kill freedom the entire game

wrong gimli has been trying to only kill freedom because everyone else was on freedom.

if i was scum, i would want to bus here too lol.

[GrandpaMo]

Hey guys I just bought a lottery ticket. Am hoping to win millions.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

24 GrandapaMo is scum and trying to pocket Elements and Tabibitos. I doubt he townread them that quickly.

VOTE: abegnation

New year slow.

Mo vs scoliosis looks town/town

I don't mind being leashed at night as long as it makes sense, and I'm not pretending to understand any of the plans I've read so far. I'd rather avoid mountainous though.

mod vla through 9 jan

I don't mind being leashed at night as long as it makes sense, and I'm not pretending to understand any of the plans I've read so far. I'd rather avoid mountainous though.

was ur vote on abnegation rvs?

Rvs. I didn't see a slip.

Tbf I hadn't read anything at that point.

Gmo I read that iso and didn't pick up a Scum slip although the isolated was underwhelming.

I get stronger scum vibes from shirou.

VOTE: shirou

Gmo I read that iso and didn't pick up a Scum slip although the isolated was underwhelming.

I get stronger scum vibes from shirou.

VOTE: shirou

who is shirou...?

Their four post iso isn't great, and I didn't realize they were in the hydra but I think the hydra is probably town.

UNVOTE:

this is galrons full iso lol

[GrandpaMo]

I can't do this on mobile let me get to a computer

yes go. i need u to be on ur best behavior 100 perecent .

becuase i am willing to vote galron rn if u convince me

[GrandpaMo]

24 GrandapaMo is scum and trying to pocket Elements and Tabibitos. I doubt he townread them that quickly.

this is a weird attack

I guess Abnegation feels like scum. No reason, just a feeling.

this is lazy

I have no read on Enchant in either direction. I might use Enchant as a baseline to compare everyone else because I don't think Enchant could be more null if they tried.

this is posting just to post

GrandpaMo though wrote their big analysis after they knew Aether was townread for doing so. GrandpaMo also wrote their big analysis while they knew they were already being suspected by a few players--like me--so it feels more like an attempt to fish for townreads.

this is weird, i think posting a big thing is just +town because it means you put some thought into the game and you can't really lie about it because people would find a flaw if you intentionally put a flaw into it so saying it's fishing for townreads is weird

I'm pissed at myself for messing up so much in playing as a hydra....sorry you all.

@Aether

Angleshoot: this is ai that Aether is townie.

this is weird and could just be TMI

VOTE: scandersvamp

This guy's votes are really bad.

gets off of grandpa when it's not working

there's not a lot of solving going on, no deeper strategy when everyone else is making mech talk (granted i'd probably avoid it too) but it doesn't seem like scoliosis is trying to avoid it

did u see our 1v1 convo that me and scolosis had? can u tell me ur thoughts on that. i was initially bout to scumread them but then they had 1v1 with me and thats where galron nd other people just came out to say it was town/town.

think about it .

im gonna wait for scolosis's and galron's proud.

UNVOTE:

idk if im on a vote, but i will unvote just incase

[GrandpaMo]

you have no idea how bad I feel for losing that
sigh

anyway

woah i did not see this page full of info.

but question @gimli,

is this how std plays?

when they were replaced, they instantly attacked a player before coming on the defense side? do u think town is more willing to defend themselves vs throwing them outthere to another read?

think about it, i believe scolosis did that on vander and tabibitos followed along and thats where the scumtrain followed on vander.

tabibitos was town...


let's wait for galron's and scolosis's prod.

we have time. i am willing to be patient.

[GrandpaMo]

i gotta work on dinner so that's what i got if that's not enough so be it but i feel pretty good about trying

m8 i asked u why u was town and u still haven't provided me any defense. u just went promptly for the attacking side to defend urself by trying to scumread someone else. someone else by just looking at an iso and picking a few quotes and saying its weird or that with vague ass explanations.

i need you to actually try and defend yourself on why your slot is town.

i have asked freedom this and they have failed to do so.

i am now asking you this and you have failed to do so properly as well.

while we are waiting on a stalling game that won't get us anywhere probably

u can try to defend yourself.

also u didn't even explain who scolosis's is paired up with? this might be a scum perspective because from expeirence i seen that scum is most likely just to give only single scumreads towards end game, we at melo and u havent come up with a solve yet after saying u have went thru the game?

is that really everything u got?

[GrandpaMo]

now I wish I died and quack was in the other group

[GrandpaMo]

i am sad i am most competent player here

m8 no ur not.

u are probably the least competent one here especially considering half ur posts don't make sense. we are probably only townrwading because we scumresd two other people who are more scummier than u lol

[GrandpaMo]

i am sad i am most competent player here

m8 no ur not.

u are probably the least competent one here especially considering half ur posts don't make sense. we are probably only townrwading because we scumresd two other people who are more scummier than u lol

GrandpaMo uses "You suck". It's not effective!

Enchant laughs it off.

it was more of a compliment tbf

;(

teach me ur ways

[GrandpaMo]

I live! It felt good to be back until I read the flips. Catching up now.

ok u have 1 min to post.

jk im in a better mood then i was before after the flip so i hope u find valuable info that we may have missed

[GrandpaMo]

Galron has not picked up their prod; I am now seeking replacement. If Galron resurfaces before a replacement is confirmed, they can still rejoin the game.

Also, the vote count was bad; it is now good

expected this

[GrandpaMo]

I wonder if scoliosis is writing a treatise

i hope scolosis is still tryna "contribute" lol

[GrandpaMo]

I think scoliosis and gimli is my hero solve tbh

im not gonna vote someone who is in the game, gimli so I can't do that but scolosjs maybe but u and galron is worse.

[GrandpaMo]

if people is literally std/scoliosis/galron

we can still hit one of the other two at night when one flips, get a kill and then play 3 way with the other scum

does that work

like

assuming me/grandpa/enchant are always town, do we have autowin?

no because that's just assuming we get day condemn right

[GrandpaMo]

let me ask this differently: do we know that you and elements targeting at night will get us a kill?

you and enchant, sorry

lol ggs scum slip

[GrandpaMo]

because IMO we're at a spot where's it's either std/NM, NM/scoli, or STD/scoli. if we miselim and don't get a kill, they'll parity. if we do get a kill, then regardless of which one isn't scum we win the game.

I have to view this more when I'm at home

but I also had a similar thought process

but if we Mislim there is 3 town 2 mafia

we kill someone at night and its miss then 2ctown 2 mafia we lose.


we only will have autowin if mafia is in that3.

ok I see what ur saying now but the problem is thats if we are 100 percent confident thats the 3 maf. thsys why I said there had to be mafia bussing somewhere lol

we also lose if me and enchant aren't quack

[GrandpaMo]

I just wanna get freedoms slot out before it continues to paranoid me.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

f it, if u flip town sorry not sorry.

if u flip scum let's target NM at night

@me and enchant

let's vote this.

I just wanna get this over with atp

[GrandpaMo]

std idk why u are getting defensive because I think regardless town wins the game

[GrandpaMo]

Someone said we were in melo

we are

[GrandpaMo]

So if you miseliminate me town loses

isn't that cylo. thats not mylo

[GrandpaMo]

Anyone can be the cpr or quack, but we can only be sure that cpr or quack (but not both cause they null each other when targeting at the same time) is in tabibitos/enchant/grandpa. If its tabibitos, we don't have a vigilante kill tonight and will lose the game to a town miselim

I'll look at ur info once I get back home around 8:30 pm est

[GrandpaMo]

STOP @gimli

im so sorry i wasn't here all day yesterday, ik i promised a post at 8:30pmest but scocer conditioning got to me so i was knocked out. i promise to respond to everything today

[GrandpaMo]

ok lol VOTE: Not_Mafia

this sounds like scum giving up

[GrandpaMo]

i still want to target freedom at night . but i was giving std the benefit of the doubt since they have been the only ones contributing.

me and enchant can target scolosis if u want and just have a final 3 if mafia is still alive

[GrandpaMo]

we always vote out std in f3.

[GrandpaMo]

we can make this exciting

we kill NM, and then we target scoliosis at night, unless their catch up is so incredibly towny that we have to kill someone else

and then we play f3 with people posting in the thread like a good ol' game of forum mafia

what do you say, STD?

problem is, std's slot's iso is combined more scummier than scolosis entire iso

[GrandpaMo]

ok we have agreed to vote galron today.

now the question is who to target.


what if enchant targets scolosis and i target std

[GrandpaMo]

we can make this exciting

we kill NM, and then we target scoliosis at night, unless their catch up is so incredibly towny that we have to kill someone else

and then we play f3 with people posting in the thread like a good ol' game of forum mafia

what do you say, STD?

problem is, std's slot's iso is combined more scummier than scolosis entire iso

yes I agree with this, but still more fun to play f3 with STD

good question re: what if both target someone different, I think one of you can be weak and then end up dying, which could leave us with f2 instead of f3.

like one weak one CPR, for instance. weak dies to mafia, CPR kills town target, and they NK me

ends with 2 people and they win cause they reach parity

CPR is never in me or Enchant fwiw

[GrandpaMo]

CPR should be in your group

[GrandpaMo]

we can still have CPR in your group, cause it resolves last. so the same situation as when we were trying to protect the nurse. here's how elements could've died:
quack kills
paranoid protects
CPR resolves last and kills again

this makes no sense.

freedom, enchant, tabibitos, and i all should have targeted elements.

let's say i am quack
tabibitos is paranoid
enchant is CPR

mafia targets tabibitos

tabibitos dies

i target elements but elements is NOT killed because of paranoid blocking my action. and since CPR resolves last, CPR would have protected enchant.


ithink what i was trying to imply is that we shouldn't asusme that CPR is in our group
this doesn't make sense becaue elements would have not died during the night. but they did and that's because CPR not being in group one

[GrandpaMo]

ok lol VOTE: Not_Mafia

this sounds like scum giving up

How?

m8 im gon need u to give me why you are town and what is ur solve

[GrandpaMo]

we can still have CPR in your group, cause it resolves last. so the same situation as when we were trying to protect the nurse. here's how elements could've died:
quack kills
paranoid protects
CPR resolves last and kills again

this makes no sense.

freedom, enchant, tabibitos, and i all should have targeted elements.

let's say i am quack
tabibitos is paranoid
enchant is CPR

mafia targets tabibitos

tabibitos dies

i target elements but elements is NOT killed because of paranoid blocking my action. and since CPR resolves last, CPR would have protected enchant.


ithink what i was trying to imply is that we shouldn't asusme that CPR is in our group
this doesn't make sense becaue elements would have not died during the night. but they did and that's because CPR not being in group one

CPR kills a target that wouldn't die instead if paranoid blocks quack, CPR isn't saving. if it's not saving, it's killing

oh does that include JK as well?

i thought it really only implied og maf kill

[GrandpaMo]

1 CPR Doctor - Saves their target if their target would otherwise be killed – otherwise, kills their target

so if one of you was paranoid/or simply didn't have a quack in the group, we can still have cpr killing elements.

like

naive
weak
cpr

cpr kills elements

so wait why didnt u call this out when i first made the suggestion that quack was in group 1 lol . u were just gonna let me believe this false dilemma

[GrandpaMo]

I'm an idiot and am figuring out the full implications of this game's mechanics as the gameday progresses too...

ok so we are both on the same boat LOL

[GrandpaMo]

weak+cpr+factional kill

i doubt this will happen

i think weak doc has died

[GrandpaMo]

weak+cpr+factional kill

i doubt this will happen

i think weak doc has died

why?

its just a hypotehtical based on assumed probability

well im assuming because of probably of that happening is low due to there being a quack doctor already and 3 people have died.

and we can also assume CPR is still alive.

2 docs already dead, so we are left with 2 mafia and 4 docs, 2 of them being either cpr and quack,

in this setup, weak doc is very weak and especially with our plan we were targetting two townreads and therfore weak had no use n1.

if weak ends up in our group while targeting . if we can get quack + weak is 1 night vig that diminishes weak's power. we need weak + naive doctor for the best duo imo, which is the best scumhunting.

[GrandpaMo]

I HAD NO KILL ABILITY

WAAAAAAAAA

WE SAVED THE GAME LETS GOO UR THE BEST ILY BY BOTHT TARGETING SCOLOSISI

Also @GIMLI

LETS GOO THANK GOD WE SOLVED THE GAME IM GLAD WE GOT GALRON OUT



WE KNE WITIIITIITIITIT

[GrandpaMo]

also im very sorry STD, ur previous slots were very meh. i def had ur current slot, STD, considered when i was doing the night action. i would rather have someone who contributed in f3 rather than AFK slots.

[GrandpaMo]

@NM

you could have easily turned the tide of the game if you came up of with some contribution because you were only being scumread and voted out because of a slot that hasn't posted.

and me and gimli were in a position where we could have been swayed.

[GrandpaMo]

Lmao gg

This was a game that happened

Thanks pavowski for modding! I had fun with y'all

new fav player

[GrandpaMo]

I told you of the cpr+weak combo, didn't I grandpa

oh yes u did

[GrandpaMo]

i just knew enchant would go for scolosis idk why

[GrandpaMo]

CPR doc was 2/2 for killing rather than saving

Killed 1 town, 1 scum

lowkey i knew that i killed that town and ifelt a guolty presence for some reason lol

[GrandpaMo]

thanks for modding @pavo


it was myfirst time back, im glad this could be my first game back.