HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Aisa]

2.09

Votecount 2.09

Elements (3):

BlueBloodedToffee, Gimli, Eiralox.

HighPrincessErinys (3):

Titus, Killing Joke, Gamma Emerald.

Eiralox (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (7):

Enchant, Bellaphant, Flea The Magician, ActionDan, Malakittens, Elements, HighPrincessErinys.

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-01-29 17:30:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli, Flea the Magician and Bellaphant are on V/LA
  
• Changing my co-mod's post colour every time I want to post a VC smh

[Aisa]

Please don't use imagery that comes from lynching even if you're not explicitly using the word.

EDIT: as in not using phrases such as

Spoiler:

deserves rope

[Killing Joke]

Joker has called five mutineers(And is yet to answer why btw)

I messaged mods last night and received confirmation that this setup *can* contain traitors and Rats is *kind of* reading as Traitor to me this game.

I don't wanna defend myself too much cause I think this wagon can be important later but

what's more important, RR, that I called for votes on STD to flip him and end the gameday, or that I actively helped changing the tide of the gamethread to one where we're flipping elsewhere? there's no point to your scumread, IDK why you're thinking that.

Again with such strong presumptions... I think ye vastly overestimate your influence lad. It's as though ye think ye've got the backin' o'... Maybe three to four others behind ye.

[Radical Rat]

Please don't use imagery that comes from lynching even if you're not explicitly using the word.

I don't see how believing 4-5 is a reasonable team size implies I'm a traitor. 4 would be the standard 3:1 ratio, but there may be one extra to account for delayed kills. I doubt there's less than four though.

[Radical Rat]

I hope the new site fixes quotes...

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE: Elements

[Killing Joke]

Eiralox, did I answer the questions that you had for me? Did you answer the questions I asked you?

IDK, Rats, if you're Town then I think your scum reads are off (aside from HPE.) I think your scum reads were wrong D1 too. I'd be willing to flip my read on you if I see you improve your solve of the game or do a better job convincing me that my own reads are wrong.

I feel like one of Gamma, Elements or HPE should be Town but I'm not seeing a reason to townread any one of them.

@Gamma @HPE @Elements @ActionDan

Any of you four who haven't posted a full reads list--or stalled like Gamma did in 1255, 1259, 1260--post one asap.

[Killing Joke]

@oops sorry Harley! I meant to post these last 2 posts together.

Please don't use imagery that comes from lynching even if you're not explicitly using the word.

I don't see how believing 4-5 is a reasonable team size implies I'm a traitor. 4 would be the standard 3:1 ratio, but there may be one extra to account for delayed kills. I doubt there's less than four though.

I think the bigger issue I take with this is that you didn't bring it up sooner. I don't agree with your assumption about the game balance. This is a tool zoraster linked to on the mafia forums here about alignment ratios:

http://games-net.de/hosted/tggc/trash/m ... 0&do=Go%21

I think the presence of delayed kills doesn't make it more likely an extra scum is on deck. Overall a lot of Town power needs to be added somewhere between the roles and the mechanics of the theme. A mechanic like Black Spot is favorable to Town and doesn't mean the setup is Townsided overall; scum are still favored 12:4 even with that change IMO.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry but atp I feel like I have good reason to hide at least one of my reads
So you’re still not getting that read list yet. Problem?

[Killing Joke]

Sorry but atp I feel like I have good reason to hide at least one of my reads
So you’re still not getting that read list yet. Problem?

I don't think needing to hide 1 read is a good excuse and I don't see what the point is in hiding 1 read now, it's not early D1 where wagons are still forming. My feeling is that you're just being evasive and don't want to scum!post a reads list.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a bad theory, I have little issues barfing up readlists as scum. I’m sure some people here will be able to verify this.
Anyway, stop asking, because this is my last post for the night.

[ActionDan]

Reread elements and read up on a town game KJ linked of them from day 1. I cant find appreciable differences and furthermore I think elements posting in this game is town again. I did not take into account the parity role cop like claim which I independently find believable as well as its presentation and rollout.

This also means I quite literally have no scumreads.

I'm going to look through individual isos one by one and see If I can pick up on anything as I go though. I really wish I could spend some more time on this game my work is killing me

[ActionDan]

quote="In post 1098, Bellaphant"]

If scum killed enchant then they think either he is playing to his town meta or else other people can determine that. I am not familiar with either but I'm doubtful that it's due to fear. Also I would assume it means scum thinks they have the town where they want them.

Immediate people to look at are Titus/Passenger/Elements. I never read Elements meta, I ought to do that. I still think HPE / KJ are town. I think Flea is just town now.

Explain any of these??[/quote]

I assume you strictly mean the reads in the 2nd paragraph

I didn't like Titus's end of day vote which was made it seemed purely on info Elim purposes which in general I find scummy because we have an obligation to at least try to Elim scum and choose the better option. Obviously Titus being the nk makes this mute.

Passenger had absolutely no will to live / clamped up nor posted anything remotely towny since.... ever (but not particularly scummy either). Kinda self evident on that one.

I did not perceive elements to make an honest effort end of D1 and in general hadnt made any really since mid d1 or so but on reread the iso looks better than I imagined.

As for HPE/KJ I am clinging on to earlier reads but admit could be wrong. Clearly they look worse on flip

Flea looks better from the flip and my view of them has been steadily improving from their posting since mod day 1 or so. You mentioned tmi from them. Could you pinpoint where you thought that?

[Malakittens]

Okay…
What is this Black Spot?

If scum killed enchant then they think either he is playing to his town meta or else other people can determine that. I am not familiar with either but I'm doubtful that it's due to fear. Also I would assume it means scum thinks they have the town where they want them.

Immediate people to look at are Titus/Passenger/Elements. I never read Elements meta, I ought to do that. I still think HPE / KJ are town. I think Flea is just town now.

Both of these players are being placed in my townbin for this.

[Malakittens]

KJ appearing to have role specific information on Fenrir (who was a VT) sure is interesting as well.

Can't wait to hear all about that.

NGL i hated that and i hate it even more that STD flipped town
it felt like that was the "push" they needed in order to get std flipped

part of me really wants to townread KJ, but i don't like this at all.

[Malakittens]

I am concerned because Elements expressed he was poisoned. I know we both visited KJ.

KJ visited no one.

I visit someone and determine who they visited and who visited them.

Elements should claim what he did.

VOTE: Killing Joke

???

Hello?

I am concerned because Elements expressed he was poisoned. I know we both visited KJ.

KJ visited no one.

I visit someone and determine who they visited and who visited them.

Elements should claim what he did.

Where? Link/Quote? Wtf Eira?

Titus soft innoed us and my only regret is that she’s not an AC.

Like seriously if people are still going to run us up even after getting soft inno’d and like I said, no one is listening to me/going to listen to me. If people are okay with adding us to the list of miselims and yes we massively contributed and yes we were wrong but if people are hellbent on miselimmig us, I don’t gaf. And Joker will probably get us miselimed since people are wrongly sr his playstyle.

VOTE: KJ


We’re VT. Joker was trying to bait the nk.

Ok Nancy you are experienced enough better to KNOW this isnt an immediate clear. You could have been scum who just didn't do the NK.

[Malakittens]

The way that elements is claiming is fishy as fuck.
I don't really think elements is scum tho
but i just hate the way that they claimed

[Malakittens]

here's the thing
i really dislike how elements claimed
i really dislike how the results are still being hidden even tho
its still in towns best interest to full claim. (although I can see why it will give scum the advantage as well)
but as far as we know KJ v __ = result was a pr of some sort
this makes me think that elements thinks that they are a pr but that means element is SURE that the second person they targeted are in fact VT
which maybe makes me think passenger was targetted as the second person
that makes sense why elements is so gunhoo
but the fact that they arent even thinking that second person could be the pr is fishy as fuck

[Malakittens]

Wait I just realized. Malakittens claimed Miller. Neither of the claimed investigatives interact with that. I find it unlikely we have three investigatives, with two of them being relatively powerful. So Miller probably doesn't exist.

VOTE: Malakittens

bullshit

it makes sense

[Malakittens]

here'es the thing
as much as I dont like the elly claim
killing elly doesnt make sense bc if town is limited in roles
we lose a role
which i dont agree with right now

granted yes elly could be a scum cop thing
which means that both titus and KJ and that third person is VERY likely town
but flipping elly this early rather than letting scum kill her (if shes town)
or later letting the vig sort her if she's scum

[Malakittens]

as of right now I have the following players in my townbin

{Titus, KJ, AD, Gamma}

Id' be ok with yeeting the following players:

Gimli I still have a leftover read from the original slot
bella
hpe

enchant is like on a soft town read rn

VOTE: gimli

[Malakittens]

as of right now I have the following players in my townbin

{Titus, KJ, AD, Gamma}

Id' be ok with yeeting the following players:

Gimli I still have a leftover read from the original slot
bella
hpe

enchant is like on a soft town read rn

VOTE: gimli

[Malakittens]

oh and eira is on my list of i'm ok with yeeeting

[Eiralox]

Nice.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: ActionDan