HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Gimli]

hello friends who's mafia

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Macabre hydra of Frogsterking Joker and Nancy Drew 39 Harley Quinn

that's a million posts per gameday.

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You can't use swear words in pirate themed game

That's... F... Friking... Sad

lockscum

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I am Miller.

That is all good night.

100% believe you

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early townread on HPE, it's feeling good and swaggy

VOTE: radical rat

Is commenting on the picture in our role pm allowed??

angleshooting already like a true pirate

Let us trust in the heart of the cards

Town locked

I feel it

the pirate roleplay is making my eyes bleed.

so that's page 2

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Scummy+low poster lim > scummy+high poster lim > anyone else

omg imagine this idea of playing mafia well! frogster, this isn't the place for that.

early townread on wayward for their opening and their townread on HPE

I don't like passenger's vote on HPE cause HPE gave me the opposite impression - of vibing as town - and, IDK. I like that wayward is throwing suspicion at passenger in #91 and feel stronger that wayward's play is coming from a townie.

#94 by frogster is a glorious post, I like that he stopped scumreading wayward in it and I like the points of view on both flea and elements. I'll go back to that post later on.

further pushing elements in #99 is also very good.

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VOTE: elements

either started incredibly slow or is mafia.

pending a read on the rest of the game but I can't do that now.

frog/nancy, wayward, HPE are townreads

[Gimli]

CAN WE JUST ELIMINATE THIS PLEASE.
IT'S GOING TO FLIP SCUM.

I'm here and I'm town, so you're wrong and you're not only wrong but you're loud about it. now be a nice miller and let me play the game without shouting in my general direction.

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Because I was asked to explain my vote and I don't want to for reasons provided in the post you quoted?

And now nobody will talk about your vote anymore but about your secret reasons. I dislike STD's p5-6 stuff, it seems out of character but let's see where this goes.

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I’m like the killing joker posts for town. Mainly because I know frogs meta and this is definitely the town game.

As for STD I was back and forth tryingest to figure out his alignment in my brain. His early game felt more scummy, but as this day is progressing I’m going back to a soft town read. I don’t std scum would make a vote like this right now.

@STD, you’re claiming a reaction test on our slot? Yes? In what universe did you not think, that I would not find that suspicious? Now that that game has ended, town!STD did exactly the same thing in the Temple game, so because he had never actually done it before - despite it being beyond silly and lame - still bought it as authentic but there’s pretty much no way in hell, STD expects me to seriously fall for it two games, back to back.

VOTE: STD

oh my.

another thing that brought my attention to STD's early behaviour - hiding thoughts and whatnot - is that it feels like he is trying to keep interactions to a minimum, and that while doing things that are supposed to get him townread. it feels like he is trying to enter the game by looking town rather than doing solvy things like he's supposed. his reaction to elements finding his behaviour strange feels a little out of place as well, like he is already feeling pressure. it doesn't vibrate like carefree town would, and I think STD is a pretty carefree player in general.

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1) Why did Dragons vote our slot seemingly out of nowhere for absolutely no reason?
2) Why is Elements suddenly going out of their way to push Dragons and white knight our slot?
3) Why is Dragons pretending to be agitated for absolutely no reason or provocation? (137)
4) Why does Dragons play make no sense internally based on what he claims to be doing? (133)

I dislike your conclusion, Mala, because it completely overlooks the only logical conclusion about Dragon's play: it's an obviously scummy move which gives Elements an excuse to push Dragons and set her own slot up for endgame. There is literally no other reason, Town or scum, for Dragons to play the way they have over the last couple of pages.

also feel like elements/STD interaction has a high SvS equity.

do we keep playing d1 or just sheep killing joke hydra?

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137 is the hint

VOTE: STD

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hydra too strong

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also think I'm clearing wayward regardless of elements/std's alignments

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Read up.

VOTE: StD

First, this isn't a reaction test if he's willing to use associatives to divine a read on Elements 137. So let's make this simple: It's a bad vote against someone likely town. If there was "something to see" show us.

Town reads on RR who has essentially spent his time chastising someone in role play mode for voting a no Elim do not make sense to me.

Bella, what makes RR's posting a different caliber to eria's?

Flea's 111 sucked.

I think wayward has done alright extricating himself. I'll choose to believe his posts at face value.

Elements' posting leaves a lot to be desired but I'm not getting particularly strong scum feelings from them either.

this guy is also town

so mala/killing/Action/wayward all town

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Also I think HPE could be scum but I forgot to mention that earlier and that above post doesn't help

why is that?

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If posting Harley gifs is really keeping you from reading me than I can stop but after I saw Joker doing it, I thought it looked kinda fun. \_0_/

I mean we're here to play a game and have fun, the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'll work it out either way, we're still early D1, there's time yet.

What is it yer seein' here Flea? I've tried movin' me patch to each o' me eyes but can't see anythin' out o' the ordinary with Harley

We talk regular out of game and have played enough games together that of all people - Nancy is the person I'm most confident I can read quickly and accurately.

You start RP'ing and that's a barrier between the players and you - I should know, I do it on alt accounts for giggles sometimes. There's nothing off about Nancy here, and I'm wanting to try and lock a read on her ASAP - meaning the hydra is my current objective and sole focus where I'm going to put my energy.

If she's red, the RP can potentially stop me getting that red read on her, muddy the waters a bit and leave me still questioning.

If she's green and I get to a point where I can lock that in, her knowledge can help cover my blind spots (such as Mala and probably others) as I know I can then trust her reads.

I think that makes sense but the problem with what you're saying is that harley isn't hiding behind a cover, her posts have 0 roleplay (as opposed to all the pirates posting for instance) and so I don't feel too good about you talking about the images they're posting like it's hindering your ability to read harley.

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This is just typical scum assigning busy work to Town while contributing nothing. I'm not doing chores for a slot who actively refuses to commit to a single read on any player in the game. Your ISO is atrocious. Harley said you would be AI over time and by God she was correct. Your next step as scum!Flea--since your faux pas attempt to pocket me in 191 has failed--is to chainsaw us for Dragons. You are fence sitting ALL OF YOUR READS while you wait to see how much you have to commit in order to save Dragons. How convenient your reads are ambiguous when wagons are taking shape and how quickly they will form soon once it's clear who you need to push in order to create a counter wagon for Dragons.

my god man stop solving

this game is stupid, I wanna be miselim'ed d1 like my slot was going to, to counter balance a hydra pair that is town and has precise meta reads on half the playerlist

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so ok there's three scum outing themselves to the hydra pair in many pages of this game. I'll skip the rest cause this will not be fun for many gamedays.

which one are we killing?

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HPE is town so mala/killing/Action/wayward/HPE all town

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eiralox town

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STD's vote on HPE = lockscum status and who we should eliminate today

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hydra dissonance in page 15: I think harley is letting caught scum talk themselves out of earlier more organic posting that denounced their affiliation. talking it out is easy and you're inviting that by bringing up past games and other things that are unrelated to this game. the fact is, std/elements/flea all joined in against your hydra like an actual pack of wolves. they made no attempt at solving each other and voted you out of spite. Maybe being inside an hydra head it's harder to feel confident about it, but as someone kind of reading on the sidelines it looks very clear to me how it happened and the rest of this game will be all about getting you n1ed and making sure nobody will understand early game enough to vote them out.

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it's page 16 and flea doesn't realise STD is scum yet. I don't buy it.

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bella probs town

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let's yeeeeeet gimli for justice and glory!

You're scumsiding and can do better I think

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Super surprised Fenrir is the leading wagon. Wagon comp is ugly, too.

Probably gonna have to read the rest of this game.

six townies in it

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the hydra is town - outside of anyone's scum range, unless they're magical people - and caused enough pressure in the scum early on that they're still trying to figure out how to come back to the game. STD is nearly outed and the wagon on him is organic. I don't think any scum is even bussing him yet. I think you're town though, BBT. I think you're just not reading the game right, but we'll only know when we start flipping them.

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That was frog

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I'm v/la starting tomorrow, I think the gameday is dragging longer than it needs to since half the thread has decided to flip STD already, so votes there are appreciated thx

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I think flipping me is never wrong since I'm terrible at mafia, but if you read the massive back and forth between the hydra pair and std/elements/flea, you'd find three better candidates at flipping scum than me. Particularly I don't think STD comes up with that HPE scumread + vote when he is playing town, it seems like trying to shift the direction of the thread.

WRT elements I think she started way too slow, and I bet she never ever spite votes KJ here as town. that she did that probably means she is mafia, she is with STD and ended up compromising her situation when pressured. This is a particularly bad post:

This is pretty comical at this point

Honestly, this is making me town you just from the shear volume of nonsense frog is spouting

townreading STD because frog is posting 'volumes of nonsense', even if frog was doing that (he wasn't) is not a real thought.

I could be wrong, but you know.

WRT flea I just don't see the townplay because he is not playing sharp, faers posts lack depth, but there are two other points I think: 1) faer was talking crap about inability to read nancy because of a supposed hydra roleplay that isn't real, which makes me think faer is lying about it because faer is unsure when faer was supposed to start strongly townreading the slot. 2) faer is not scumreading STD; in fact I don't remember a single post faer made that was directly to or about or trying to make sense of STD's alignment, so I take it as disinterested because faer is also not town.

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why do you think STD is town here, flea?

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What hint?

I think 137 is an overreaction to what wasn't a scumlean by elements yet. it just feels awkward from STD to talk about playstyle differences and whatnot when all elements said was that she didn't like his KJ vote.

in your STD townread, are you weighing his KJ vote and reasoning as something towny, or just disregarding the entire thing? the 'I don't wanna say why I'm voting to see if someone else spots what I'm seeing' and then when he finally explains it it's a lot of air. you sure that's towny?

if you're seeing harley maneirisms in nancy's posting, okay sure, I don't see it, but she is certainly posting through the RP in a manner that you can grasp. and if you're someone that know her, you're more than capable of adapting to a microcospic difference in playstyle that, as far as I'm reading, isn't affecting the way she is reading the game. but anyway I'll drop this point for now.

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Townreading flea now I think

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We can eliminate passenger instead of STD if people feel stronger about that

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VOTE: gimli

FOR MALAKITTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

'for malakittens'

reality: I'm the only town you can miselim today, ain't I?

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Gimli i'm still trying to figure out how to read gimli, but considering we just played dance game where i wasn't scum, and we just played doctor game where i wasn't scum, why doesn't he have pause when thinking i'm scum or not in this game? he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

temple game I was, to paraphrase nancy, 'brazenly lolcatting' from the get go cause I replaced into a nightmare. I don't think I tried scumreading you there? I pushed nancy and the results were hilarious.

so of course if I'm scum here I decided to just 100% take nancy's side and stop her from antagonizing with me in a way that there'd be no coming back from.

dance game I threw.

and the doctor game you replaced into a problematic slot that kept replacing out, that I was scumreading already, and frankly it was too late. if you played great town there maybe but your posting was w/e. I tried playing ball with you there but you were scumreading me there as well so, it is what it is. I was blatantly town and you couldn't see it in a 40 page game, so you can't read me either, you're right about that.

I don't wanna talk about other games but since you're talking about them I thought I should reply. it has nothing to do with this game.

didn't like this post of yours either so you gotta convince other people cause I'm deadset that you're scum again. I swear it's nothing personal lol, it's just how I'm solving from my end of things.

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I love playing with you despite all this antagonizing that seems to always happen @STD

pedit: that's spity

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what do you think of elements, STD?

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titus' ISO: exhausted indeed

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VOTE: enchant

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do you like my enchant vote?

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Spoiler:

VOTE: killing joke

Not a fan

Why

It's a slot that's actively playing the game and pushing it forwards. You're the only person on them so it's not like it's a pressure vote.
You've basically said it's a reaction test at this point so what has my reaction told you?

Why do you think scum would blatantly target an activite slot like that

I'm not calling you scum, I just don't think it's a good vote

Elements i think you're getting fussed over a playstyle difference but you're not sring me. You could be a partner of kj soft defending them but I think you're just town enraptured by their content

@fenrir: do you see how this can be viewed as jumpy? she wasn't pressuring you

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VOTE: Passenger

Choo choo?

I really don't think Fenrir is the elim Today.

okay
VOTE: passenger

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i dunno gimli

you seemed pretty confident it's me and i don't recall you mentioning enchant at all before this

and yet I think enchant can be scum, his towngame in doctors was much better than this

do you think that's scummy of me? to just vote enchant like that

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ARE YOU JUMPY BECAUSE YOU'RE A BIG TOWN PR????

jk

but maybe

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AND I RIIIIDE AND I RIIIIDE

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I don't want to interfere with the conversation too much but you're talking past each other a bit because of this:

he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

where STD is saying I'm feeling like my scumgame, and HPE is interpreting as him saying I should be pausing like I did as scum (which I did not). but that's not what STD is trying to say, he is just saying I feel like scum cause I'm just hard tunneling things without a second thought of w/e.

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'actively choosing' is an active choice of words. are you upset with being scumread?

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more votes on passenger

I'm gone forever, or until when I get in front of a computer, so bye for now and don't flip me please lmao

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hi I'm here for a second and thought I'd catch up with the last couple of pages.

the question now wrt passenger is if they wouldn't be trying a little harder to appear towny if they were scum. 628 readslist with nothing to say about any of the players is weird? and will definitely call attention for your already wagoned ass. but anyway just a thought that crossed my mind.

BBT's engagement with passenger feels like town!BBT. 'you read the entire game and that's all you have?' is a good scumhunting question.

I see the Dave Grohl avatar isn't just because he looks amazing. I approve.

cheers <3

flea's #641 is another post I don't like, but I think it's possible I don't comprehend how faer weighs in the game and whatnot. there's a lot of simply not understanding HPE in my opinion, like here

uote="In post 641, Flea The Magician"]Your Eria comments amuse me, you say when is an opening post scummy but I offer when is an opening post worthy of a conftown read as a rebuttal. You can absolutely have alignment indicative openers and several people have been caught on them before. The no-elim is post 27ish, page two and still in RVS so if you're reading something into that other than RVS I'd love to know what you're seeing there.[/quote]


HPE isn't the one reading 'into RVS', HPE is suspecting STD's rationale behind scumreading eiralox early. HPE is not saying eiralox is towny for the 'no-elim' post.

Looking forward to your results on the Gimli wagon.

what do you think of my wagon now?

you still don't feel like you're scumhunting at all. btw I saw you had a question to STD I didn't quite understand either, so if you elaborate on that and if he answered that'd be good.

eiralox super towny
RR kinda scummy oops
KJ still right about a bunch of things
and wayward still town
I'll sheep KJ on bella too and read more about how I'm sucking up to the hydra

so ok I'm caught up

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I'm strong townreading eiralox, for some reason, since he asked HPE 'if I trust you, would that be a mistake?' it felt super good to read that

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I'll be using that line as a wolf

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gimli is probably scum

Why?

Hey! If I start trusting you, will that be a mistake?

here

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Save The Dragons (6): Killing Joke, Wayward Son, ActionDan, HighPrincessErinys, Eiralox, Gimli.
HighPrincessErinys (4): Passenger, Save The Dragons, Enchant, Titus.

look at this ugly counterwagon

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the POE voting HPE lmao

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Flea, you are simultaneously suspecting people who are 'wilfully misinterpreting fenrir' and pushing HPE with your misinterpretation of HPE's post.

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I'll never think you're not probably a wolf now

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I don't wanna defend myself too much cause I think this wagon can be important later but

what's more important, RR, that I called for votes on STD to flip him and end the gameday, or that I actively helped changing the tide of the gamethread to one where we're flipping elsewhere? there's no point to your scumread, IDK why you're thinking that.

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Enchant i've decided to read later in the game

it takes a literal minute to ISO enchant. is the game so disheartening for you, elements? why is that? you were so towny in doctors game, such eagerness to solve.

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I can see the Gimli scum reads. A lot of his points are parroting others.

too uncharitable

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VOTE: STD

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Gimli (3): Malakittens, Titus, Radical Rat.
Killing Joke (1): Elements.
HighPrincessErinys (1): Passenger.

those are vanity wagons at this point

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STD is L-2

whoever wants to do the thing I'm fine with moving on from d1

even if it flips town I think we made a strong towncore around it and can win

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I could do elements just as well

Kinda like these posts from passenger for some reason

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thank you to people who recognize this is way outside my scumgame

What part of this is out of your scum range?

You didn't go after KJ, you made an awkward vote with a delayed explanation that amounted to nothing

Your read on HPE seems pretty stale as well, speaking of stale reads

I feel a lot like eiralox this gameday cause the amount of scummy posting coming out of you is excessive and beyond salvation, to the point where I don't wanna derail the thread arguing. And this is something everybody - except BBT, elements and flea - seems to agree with.

Whats your read on elements? Don't you think it's odd that she is putting no effort into reading you and whatnot?

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What posts of StD's did you find towny?

Also would like for flea to point out exactly the towny posts

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VOTE: passenger

Yeah no std not the elim for td

How about elements? It's potatoing almost as bad as passenger, and I know she is a good townie

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If people want passenger instead I'm fine with that but I did like the last posts they made. Tho maybe too little too late as well.

How about Titus huh? She really disappeared from the game

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I have been applying much less BoP to elements than others this game. Gimli, I don't think I've ever played with elements. As town are hey on a whole other level than this game?

As she said, we played doctors and she spent most of the time mech solving, but it was a lot of work put into that and she more or less captained D1 both choosing who we ended up eliminating and what our collective NAs would be. In this game she is potatoing so there's a big difference.

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VOTE: passenger

The only thing to townread STD for is the cheer volume (if self meta is to be valued) but he's been wagoned the entire D1 which explains the volume. Still, I'll take a player instead of a potato D1 any day and passenger is still scummy overall I think.

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Me liking Fenrir almost won over what patterns I've noticed over the span of days thus far.

Feels

Okay, i'm voting with eiralox and KJ

VOTE: STD

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KJ is in complete panic mode and not even voting smh

Lmao elements

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Dragons/Elements/Passenger/Titus/Radical Rats

This is my exact POE unless like action Dan is setting himself up for late play

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The fact you're so convinced I have a scum pr but also that rr might have tmi knowing passenger and I are both town is pretty telling.

Scum pr read is frog
Rr tmi read is nancy

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I said you're in panic mode and you're not voting.

I thought you were just being snarky

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Oh my bad I missed the image

Jesus regardless of my alignment it was clearly a mistake I'm on mobile and can barely see the images

Yeah that was an overreaction wasn't it, there's been a few this gameday where a misinterpretation is weaponized. Idk what to make of it everytime someone does it, but I guess it's not too AI either way

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Harley we need more of you, I'm glad you're posting

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hello friends who's mafia

Macabre hydra of Frogsterking Joker and Nancy Drew 39 Harley Quinn

that's a million posts per gameday.

You can't use swear words in pirate themed game

That's... F... Friking... Sad

lockscum

I am Miller.

That is all good night.

100% believe you

early townread on HPE, it's feeling good and swaggy

VOTE: radical rat

Is commenting on the picture in our role pm allowed??

angleshooting already like a true pirate

Let us trust in the heart of the cards

Town locked

I feel it

the pirate roleplay is making my eyes bleed.

so that's page 2

Scummy+low poster lim > scummy+high poster lim > anyone else

omg imagine this idea of playing mafia well! frogster, this isn't the place for that.

early townread on wayward for their opening and their townread on HPE

I don't like passenger's vote on HPE cause HPE gave me the opposite impression - of vibing as town - and, IDK. I like that wayward is throwing suspicion at passenger in #91 and feel stronger that wayward's play is coming from a townie.

#94 by frogster is a glorious post, I like that he stopped scumreading wayward in it and I like the points of view on both flea and elements. I'll go back to that post later on.

further pushing elements in #99 is also very good.

If posting Harley gifs is really keeping you from reading me than I can stop but after I saw Joker doing it, I thought it looked kinda fun. \_0_/

I mean we're here to play a game and have fun, the Harley thing you have going on is more than the gifs.

I'll work it out either way, we're still early D1, there's time yet.

What is it yer seein' here Flea? I've tried movin' me patch to each o' me eyes but can't see anythin' out o' the ordinary with Harley

We talk regular out of game and have played enough games together that of all people - Nancy is the person I'm most confident I can read quickly and accurately.

You start RP'ing and that's a barrier between the players and you - I should know, I do it on alt accounts for giggles sometimes. There's nothing off about Nancy here, and I'm wanting to try and lock a read on her ASAP - meaning the hydra is my current objective and sole focus where I'm going to put my energy.

If she's red, the RP can potentially stop me getting that red read on her, muddy the waters a bit and leave me still questioning.

If she's green and I get to a point where I can lock that in, her knowledge can help cover my blind spots (such as Mala and probably others) as I know I can then trust her reads.

I think that makes sense but the problem with what you're saying is that harley isn't hiding behind a cover, her posts have 0 roleplay (as opposed to all the pirates posting for instance) and so I don't feel too good about you talking about the images they're posting like it's hindering your ability to read harley.

I think flipping me is never wrong since I'm terrible at mafia, but if you read the massive back and forth between the hydra pair and std/elements/flea, you'd find three better candidates at flipping scum than me. Particularly I don't think STD comes up with that HPE scumread + vote when he is playing town, it seems like trying to shift the direction of the thread.

WRT elements I think she started way too slow, and I bet she never ever spite votes KJ here as town. that she did that probably means she is mafia, she is with STD and ended up compromising her situation when pressured. This is a particularly bad post:

This is pretty comical at this point

Honestly, this is making me town you just from the shear volume of nonsense frog is spouting

townreading STD because frog is posting 'volumes of nonsense', even if frog was doing that (he wasn't) is not a real thought.

I could be wrong, but you know.

WRT flea I just don't see the townplay because he is not playing sharp, faers posts lack depth, but there are two other points I think: 1) faer was talking crap about inability to read nancy because of a supposed hydra roleplay that isn't real, which makes me think faer is lying about it because faer is unsure when faer was supposed to start strongly townreading the slot. 2) faer is not scumreading STD; in fact I don't remember a single post faer made that was directly to or about or trying to make sense of STD's alignment, so I take it as disinterested because faer is also not town.

is this a thing now
VOTE: elements

Wtf was that

Is this lolcatting

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Guys what is passenger doing with MQing me and then voting elements?

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I was rereading Gimli's ISO and I didn't realize I had these quoted
Oops

Ah okay lol

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VOTE: elements

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VOTE: elements

You're bussing yourself 9000 iq

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Must Dragons die Elements?

I'd rather Dragon dies than me

VOTE: STD
Let's do this

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This gameday has been amazing regardless

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Amazing svs wagons

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I really think Passenger might be town and just doesn't find Fenrir to be scummy.

Thats possible
Also agree that enchant is town @kj

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What's up with all the self votes

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I reread the game while completely tuning out all the KJ/STD/Flea noise and my life is all the better for it

This post is scummy because it's just calling out the noisemakers for making noise and what followed was just a crummy readslist. Passenger didn't even bother changing their vote.

It's a post that looks townie because it seems relatable but if it were townie it would have been followed up with analysis

Agree with this fwiw

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You made a towny string of posts out of nowhere rn STD

Weird that you had to self vote for it

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VOTE: passenger

Just doing this because I like playing with you

Also would be hilarious if KJ does not come back with another massive post cause we closed the thread with a kill without them

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Now Passenger will selfvote and we need to flashwagon someone else

Haha

But he is L-1 methinks

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Did I hammer????? Hahahhahahahhahhfhejjdjnd

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I didn't hammer

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You're free to do so

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UNVOTE:

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Gonna step away a bit and let KJ post

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What in Poseidon's knickers is this reasoning at this stage x.x;

I mean it's fun it's mafia idk man

Do you think the self vote was scummy?

[Gimli]

Normally yes, incredibly so but given how the day has been and how StD has been treated ngl

I'd selfvote

at this point from sheer exhaustion of having the bilge pumps aimed at you and constantly being worked over expected to talk and breathe while you have all the dregs of rust and oil and just generally grim water blasted at your face.

(oh no show don't tell)

I like his passenger read, I think the self vote is whatever rly

[Gimli]

Lol

I'm locktowning enchant for last pages

[Gimli]

the locktown on Eira was a joke in appreciation of the Yu-Gi-Oh reference
the locktown on StD was a joke as a reference to the locktown on Eira because of the Yu-Gi-Oh reference

You live in your own head, thats cool I dig it hope we play a lot more games together

In other news, the overtly troll approach also means you're scum

Pedit: how is that the tldr...

[Gimli]

This is self-conscious in a way that indicates scum thinking because she is worried about the hydra slot containing Harley and I.

This is a great way to read into the Titus' hydra bit

[Gimli]

does anyone other than Frog see a perspective change between 220 and 723, 737?
Coz I don't

They're not changes, they're slips. It's acknowledging that he is mafia by posting from a scum perspective

[Gimli]

Burden of proof

[Gimli]

Ah. Burden of proficiency then.

[Gimli]

But idgi either

[Gimli]

Ah It means you were supposed to be playing mafia instead of being a massive potato

[Gimli]

I think

[Gimli]

Yeah, I think you are as well

[Gimli]

VOTE: STD

Cya D2 everyone

[Gimli]

Omg eiralox

Wanna go passenger instead? Let's do it, let's flip something

[Gimli]

Lmao

Ok we've got a E-1

Exciting times

[Gimli]

Go elements>passenger>Titus>RR regardless of how std flips imo

[Gimli]

She is scum regardless cause she didn't even try to solve at any point, I'm not scumreading her on associatives

[Gimli]

KJ posted one where she was making reads list and whatnot from the get go. The problem here isn't when she started to scumhunt or whatever, but that she never did it and spent the entire GameDay spite posting and being snarky. Basically never recovered from very early when she voted KJ out of spite

[Gimli]

In doctors she was pretty much town's captain and even if the mech solves may not mean much to this game, it made her a top townread for all the other towns except tabibitos hydra

[Gimli]

Wolf even day vigilante

[Gimli]

VOTE: titus

[Gimli]

Hi.

I was drunk yesterday and didn't read anything when I dropped a Titus vote.

I do not have any grudge against std, I really like playing with him and just thought he was scum in this game. Saying I have a grudge and playing spiteful would mean I'm not playing to win as well, and that's not something I will ever do. But even if I was it wouldn't be to STD cause I have absolutely nothing against him.

Will try to read the gameday now.

[Gimli]

Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

Do you think Eira ruffled feathers on D1? That's not the impression I got.

Amusing, your blind eye on Elements and Titus.

Curious even.

Killing Joke, Eira, Gimli and Erynis is such an easy thing to say at this point that, if you're a mutineer, you're not even trying.

You haven't factored in the passenger death here. As a mutineer..... meaning most of your friends were on passenger.

But as crew it might mean you still hold to your old emotional ways. Might mean you concluded that those four the dirtiest and just haven't factored in Passenger's death yet.

Yet you were hidden yesterday, and not to be trusted yet, in my estimation.


We'll see.

You're still my top townread, eira

[Gimli]

Thread too cluttered to read in one go, actually. I'm back later.

[Gimli]

This one is going to be busy for a bit so it will place it's vote now so as not to be wholly useless until its back.
VOTE: Killing Joke

Ok I lied and am reading through. This feels opportunistic.

[Gimli]

So continuing with the trend from day 1

Still heavily scumreading you Elly

Can I call you Elly?

Either way your tone in posts like these is one of a wolf and I see you were all snarky on D1 cause you knew we'd all look like imbeciles regardless of the flip.

[Gimli]

Damn.

KJ look real bad and Eira still won't vote them.

Elements, talk about that visit.

My read is that BBT is still town and will have a hard time leaving the KJ tunnel

I hope I'm right on KJ. It felt like town the entire D1, and I swear I'm strong townreading everything Nancy posts in D2 even if it's a little unfair to gamma who just replaced in

Also: hi gamma! Good to see you here

[Gimli]

Passenger was a vig shot.
UNVOTE:
While Nancy isn’t strong with mech I also think she’d be stronger with it as scum between the Xenoblade 2 fiasco as well as seeing her in FFXIV

Whatever gets you to a KJ townread, but I wonder if actually thinking scum would kill passenger isn't sort of faking cluelessness? It doesn't take much mafia experience to understand mafia isn't killing limbait counterwagon like this

[Gimli]

Also someone please tell me who claimed to vig Passenger?

Nobody needs or should claim the passenger shot

It came from town and it's outing a power role

[Gimli]

I want HighPrincessErinys and BBT. I can't see any reason I'm killed if they aren't scum. Enchant and Elements are ok compromises but I'd hope to see something in my reads on my last day.

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

You're the captain titus

[Gimli]

MY BAD

You dumbass

Jk

We still got this

[Gimli]

@Rats, @Gimli, @BBT

Can you Town case yourselves?

I don't do the towncasing myself, and I prefer being suspected and eventually wagoned cause it helps solving the game

Pedit: idk, could be scum. I hate the D2 posturing of HPE, RR, BBT, elements, but don't think they're all scum for it. BBT at least reads like town.

Lots of limbait on D2 if passenger wasn't flipped already, so it makes sense that scum would come to the thread wanting to frame me, you and eira especially

[Gimli]

hello friends who's mafia

Is this 'that opening post'? @RR

[Gimli]

They poisoned titus cause all the loud townplayers were voting STD and having a crappy day. The poison went for titus to antispew.

[Gimli]

One question I have to Harley to the post eiralox quoted is how did you understand the setup earlier, that you thought outing the vig was somehow a good idea?

[Gimli]

@harley I was blacking out and read nothing of the game last night when I chose to vote titus. Of course she is town, I just didn't read any of the game before voting. Why that's so suspicious to you when no one else cared about my vote is a mystery but either way you're still town to me, so.

I want elements to explain why she visited KJ, then we'll see whats a reasonable elimination for today I guess

[Gimli]

Why did you visit kj

[Gimli]

Are you claiming vanilla cop?

[Gimli]

Well I earlier said I know there's one scum in Flea/Elements/Joke.

You know mechanically that one is scum and the other two are town?

[Gimli]

Even day odd night vanilla cop

[Gimli]

Reality: wolf roleblocker

[Gimli]

When did KJ claim VT? Was it before or after the Titus' claim?

[Gimli]

I believe in elements claim but it could be a scum vanilla parity cop as well, I think it's probably more reasonable as a mafia role than as a town role

Pedit: actually yeah why is elements targeting a claimant

[Gimli]

If you're a town vanilla parity cop why are you targeting KJ who actually kinda hard claimed not VT?

oOoOO

It's bullshit elements is scum

[Gimli]

We’re VT. Joker was trying to bait the nk.

This is way before elements comes up with her claim.

So.

Titus claims both herself and elements visited KJ

KJ then hardclaims vt

Elements then comes up with a vanilla parity cop claim, claiming to have targeted both KJ and someone else

But she presumably did that while knowing KJ had a hardclaim. If you're a town parity cop, how do you pair anyone with a hard claimant? KJ could easily be a scum PR so you don't catch them with it, and you might as well pair KJ with a different PR giving a non-vt result just the same.

Elements either botched her NA or is just some kind of scum roleblocker or something scum

[Gimli]

VOTE: elements

The claim smells I don't fucking buy it

[Gimli]

If it's a vanilla parity cop you have to try and target vanillas with it, not a D1 hardclaim that you think might be scum with some other player, it makes no sense

[Gimli]

Why do I not check something I don't believe?

KJ could be whatever mafia role that isn't giving a vanilla result, and you still get a false positive by targeting someone else cause you're a parity cop. Seriously elly

[Gimli]

You're botching your NA, it's a vanilla cop. Gamma is even worse suggesting you target the miller! What's the point.

Pedit: no you don't, you're a vanilla parity cop, you either know if they're BOTH vanilla or if at least one of them isn't vanilla. You target a claimant, you're likely getting the most question mark result which is a negative to them both being vanilla

[Gimli]

I don't buy any part of elements' claim and I'm impressed everyone else thinks this is reasonable

Pedit: someone that claimed anything, like KJ did. You finding it suspect and "investigating" with your supposed role will only work if they're a goon and you pair with a VT or another goon. Surely you know better than this. And also your claim came after all the information was already available for you to make your fake claim. You're gonna have to convince other people cause I'll never buy this.

[Gimli]

You know KJ is vanilla cause Harley hardclaimed that in the thread

[Gimli]

Lol.

Where's joker

[Gimli]

She is claiming parity cop cause she can back it up cause they obviously have a VT cop

[Gimli]

That’s not how the damn role works
It either gets “both vanilla/both PR” or “one vanilla+one PR”

Are you sure?

[Gimli]

A vanilla cop will get two results, one for vanilla and one for not vanilla

Not three results afaict

It's in the wiki too

Pedit: when did you get the role, can you link here?

[Gimli]

I don't get three results
I check two people and learn if

exactly 1

is a pr

Meaning you get a same or different result

Meaning if they're both pr you still get a 'same' result

[Gimli]

And someone else is vt but I won't say who

So.

If she is a vanilla parity cop she doesn't get a "they're both vanilla", she gets a "same" or "different" result. Meaning this inference elements is making, she can't make it. All she knows, supposedly, is that KJ and someone else are supposedly either both vanilla or both not vanilla, not that "I think KJ is goon and that other person is VT"

[Gimli]

Titus is clear of course, and I think KJ is always town in this game regardless

[Gimli]

She’s assuming the vanilla claim is honest yes

Yeah but why is she assuming that?

[Gimli]

Yessssss

Welcome to the Elly wagon, gamma

[Gimli]

I think she botched the claim by assuming KJ would be a goon

[Gimli]

Because that's not the mechanical information she supposedly has. So. I'm staying on elements.

[Gimli]

Why is that? No. KJ claimed VT in the thread before Elly claimed.

[Gimli]

Please don't be cryptic, let's make sense of this, it's important. What's on your mind?

[Gimli]

That's not what I mean. What I mean is, the "same" result she supposedly got made her think "goon or VT" on KJ, assuming the vanilla part of KJ's claim is true and not that she could've hit two PRs with it.

[Gimli]

That's why I'm saying the claim was botched

[Gimli]

I think she botched the claim by assuming KJ would be a goon

Then this is very poorly phrased

Yeah okay but surely you understand what I'm saying

[Gimli]

2.08

Votecount 2.08

HighPrincessErinys (3):

Titus, Killing Joke, Gamma Emerald.

Elements (3):

BlueBloodedToffee, Eiralox, Gimli.

Killing Joke (1):

HighPrincessErinys.

Eiralox (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (6):

Enchant, Bellaphant, Flea The Magician, ActionDan, Malakittens, Elements.

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-01-29 17:30:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Squawk

Yes. Much earlier. I quoted recently too when Harley says they're VT

[Gimli]

Best course of action is to accept the claim as it is for now,

Best course of action is throwing elements off the boat

[Gimli]

Why you didn't target claimed Miller as well then

I don't scumread Mala

Lol

[Gimli]

Eira and Titus saved the gameday I think <3

[Gimli]

Eiralox/Gimli today. MAYBE Malakittens.

No one else, and I'm afraid I must insist as strongly as I'm able on that. Already watched one crew get tossed and one vigged, and it was the same people pushing it to happen. I have no interest in watching this happen again.

Three townies

[Gimli]

And elements is outed mafia as far as I'm concerned

You do whatever you want with this game but elements is scum and rat is either scumsiding town or just scum with Elly here and deserves rope for it

[Gimli]

HPE could be mafia.

What's your read on RR here, eira?

[Gimli]

we need to flip RR after elements and unfortunately it might flip town

[Gimli]

I'm voting HPE with everyone else, I just don't want to make too big of a wagon of her rn

[Gimli]

Elly still scum imo

[Gimli]

@bbt I'm there because Elly isn't going, I'm not bullshiting and actually am scumreading HPE's D2. I know I'm late in that wagon and defended her D1 against STD but oops

@hpe why does it have to be one scum between enchant and KJ?

[Gimli]

bossy

VOTE: HPE okay

[Gimli]

Takes 8 to hammer that was e2

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

[Gimli]

I don't like Gimli or Eira

Liar of course you like me

We're just different alignments this game

[Gimli]

Excuse me.

I have been doing a lot.

I want gimli's blood

but no one else does

</3

Awww you poor thing, you're doing so much!

Why don't you flip me then, you absolute goddess of mafia, you queen potato of werewolf who does nothing but tunnel a replacement because of the laziest meta read you can come up with.

Elly is scum and she deserves to beat you

Go Elly

[Gimli]

Excuse me.

I have been doing a lot.

I want gimli's blood

but no one else does

</3

I want Gimli's blood

Another scumsiding potato who deserves to lose to elements

I hope you convince other people to wagon me in this game

Kinda done with it anyway

[Gimli]

Hardclaim VT go ahead and remove me from this nightmare

[Gimli]

" I am not following ngl. It's late though and I plan to look after her later." This is flea's post wrt elly. I'm gonna respond to it and then I'm gonna peace out.

Why I don't trust elements' claim:

1) she got all the mechanical information from the gamethread: when elements claimed "some sort of cop", KJ had already hardclaimed VT in the thread, and before that Titus had already claimed that elements visited KJ, and that KJ visited no one. So if elements is scum, she needs to come up with a fake claim. My idea is that Elly picked up a claim by attaching these informations together, that came before her claim and that forced her to hardclaim.

2) Elly's claim is that of a vanilla parity cop. How the role works: you get two kinds of results: one if both players are either vanilla or both not vanilla, and another if exactly one of the players is not vanilla. Elly then assumed the vanilla part of KJ's claim was true and said they were "probably goon" and that "the other is VT". If Elly was really a vanilla parity cop, she couldn't make this inference, because she could simply have a result where both KJ and the other player were both PRs instead of both vanillas.

3) if she was a vanilla parity cop, she'd botched her NA by "not trusting" KJ's claim (which doesn't matter because, if scum, KJ might still be a PR) but then pairing them with another unknown player (instead of e.g. mala kittens) which would give her a pointless result anyway if the idea was to investigate KJ's claim of pr. Why? Cause whatever result she gets will not help determine if KJ is or isn't a PR.

[Gimli]

Are you finally townreading KJ?

[Gimli]

*sigh*

Okay. Let's flip HPE, then we figure out what to do with this game.

VOTE: HPE

[Gimli]

UNVOTE: hpe

Nah explain your read progression on HPE, Gimli

She has no scumreads on D2 and looks like a wolf posting now

I'm not really in the mood to explain myself, maybe some other time

[Gimli]

ok saving myself some digging effort for today, my body is once again hating me (as is my bank tbh but EH)

... damnit I can't resize these textboxes?!

*grumble*

thank gods for tiles I guess.

1) Valid plan, the claim implies there is additional information and from how the claim is constructed there is an implication of additional data, so if Elly is alive when fullclaim happens, she goes first. Her data cannot be faked at that point and if there's too many dead folk in the list she's the priority for the cannon yeeting.

2) I know how parity and vanilla cops work. And this is where something has pinged me. There's no way to determine KJ's alignment from that check and the conviction it was said with threw me a little. The result seems to be both were 'nilla. I need to double check that at some point.

3) Botched night actions happen. Doesn't matter your experience. Personally KJ's claim stunk more than the poop deck on curry night and didn't need to be checked but the confirmation that Joker is truely the king of the poop deck is nice to have. It is also one of those roles where if you are not mechanically minded it's easy to botch. I don't know Elly's mechanical capability, so I can't judge on that.

You mean the n1 soft don’t you, the vt one has been proven by two players now and one of those is confitown. And what do you have against curry ? lol

I was just thinking you might possibly have townslipped earlier but if you seriously believe my true claim is bad, maybe that’s premature?

Starting to once again doubt my read on you. Both Titus and Elements confirmed different things. both adding up with our vt claim. so honestly no clue what to make of this totally bizarro read on our claim, if you ARE referring to my vt claim?

~Harley

This is why I'm not TRing you.
This isn't even discussing your slot and yet you've tried to slide the "we're conftown" in here.
You are not proven vanilla town. You are proven vanilla. That is all you have.

I have nothing against curry, but I have IBS and it has everything against me.

They are NOT proven vanilla. That's why I think elements botched the claim. She doesn't get a "vanilla" result, she gets a "same" result. Could be vanilla, could be two PRs. She is making a mechanical read that it's most likely vanillas and not PRs... Allegedly.

Anyway I have no motivation to go after elly anymore, but it's important to know that a parity vanilla cop will not get a "two vanilla" two pr" "one vanilla one or" type results. Just same or different, no discrimination of whether it's same pr or same vanilla, and yet she completely bought the part of KJ's claim that say they were vanilla.

[Gimli]

Pleeeeeeeease spoiler massive quote lists
Also lmao I forgot Mala.
Mala goes between gamma and rr

You're still a wolf

[Gimli]

I kinda zoned off of this game, sorry. It's too wacky and it's hard to make sense of it until I get a proper reread and idk when I'll have time to effort like that again.

If people wanna go action Dan I'm fine with it I guess, if seems like a slot elements doesn't want and since she is mafia there are associatives that work here, while hpe is a slot people want to flip. Considering how wacky this game is I don't even think bussing is all too likely, wolves are just powerwolfing the game to oblivion

[Gimli]

? What's wacky about the game, gimli? Day two has been rather calm.

No it hasn't, it has been a complete nightmare. What game are you even playing

[Gimli]

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I can't make sense of this game until I have time to read it and I won't have time to read it until I'm finally home which will be in a couple days still.

What I did do was show how elements' progression wrt her claim is scummy because she assumed a vanilla result when a parity vanilla cop does NOT give a parity, but a "same" result. Nobody else cares about this point, so it is what it is. Im voting HPE now which might as well be a fantastically poor elimination since it's what elements wants and elements is probably scum. I don't have anything else to add to this game rn. Killing me is good too, you remove a stupid potato from the game and can tunnel other townies tomorrow, so idk. Sigh? Sucks to suck.

[Gimli]

*does not give a vanilla result, but a "same" result.

[Gimli]

I have a place to be and can hardly defend myself. I'm town, I promise I'm town and killing me will make this game extremely hard to win. Read my ISO, check out the things I did here and if you're town like me I have some confidence you can find me. I've been wrong but so was everyone else, because if you're not a std wagoner you were a passenger wagoner, and if you're not in either you've been trying to kill me or eiralox (who I'm pretty damn sure is town as well). It's very hard for me to find anything I can push here, so I'm trusting other townies with more time and better than me at mafia that they can do that and lead a good wagon that flips scum instead.

Okay so that was my defense.

[Gimli]

Im trying to reread the game, and maybe I'm a little high so maybe nothing good will come out of it, but we'll see.

Going to tack Mala as conftown for the time being and not worry about if that's a fakeclaim or not.

I think that early post by HPE is interesting cause she immediately goes from perhaps being alarmed by the miller claim to treating mala as conftown (like we're all doing) after Titus says its required. I think overall these posts are fine but they're also maybe a little curious. I think the early treatment of mala is towny, feels engaged and trying to sort people.

My reread will be chopped so bare with me or maybe don't even read all of that.

[Gimli]

VOTE: radical rat

Is commenting on the picture in our role pm allowed??

Bella trying to soft a PR. I think this is a very towny entrance, it has the right ideas in mind (either is a PR or is faking a PR). Something to keep in mind, I guess.

[Gimli]

In what way is that townie?

"Engaged and trying to sort people". It can come from scum, but I like it.

[Gimli]

D1 of a large, eugh.
VOTE: Malakittens
Miller go yeet.

So what happened here, flea? I don't think you maintained that point of view as I don't remember you ever pushing mala for the rest of the game

[Gimli]

D1 of a large, eugh.
VOTE: Malakittens
Miller go yeet.

I’m going to say that this probably legit for Mala. Also the matter of fact way she claimed is more likely to be town in general

@RR, @Eira are you allowed to explain why you’re posting the way you are?

Haven’t been able to discuss anything with Frogs yet, unfortunately.

~Harley (Nancy)

Towny Nancy entrance. I don't think they're ever scum so whatever, but just pointing it out that the early mala townread works and feels more nuanced than what HPE posted before her.

[Gimli]

I think the treatment of STD by Elly on page 5 is actually fine now that I'm rereading with knowledge and... Ugh. Idk, maybe she is town?

[Gimli]

In what way is that townie?

"Engaged and trying to sort people". It can come from scum, but I like it.

What part is engaged and trying to sort people?

You said it yourself, was doubtful of the claim until other people took it as town and then HPE conformed. Even the wording of the post is bad as it leaves room to reverse the read if needed.

It's definitely AI in some way isn't it. You could be right.