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VOTE: Wednesday Addams

I know it's a bit of a reach but I think the scummiest thing in the game has been Wednesday posting a 'first' and then disappearing from the game for the next like 19 hours

Doesn't help that all I see in front of me are nulltown or townreads. Kyoko's posting is what I expect, STD has been sharp which is good to see, furtive actually reading the introduction posts and making mech spec that's useful for town is probably very towny of him, bianco's response to pressure has been good and everyone else is at least sensible. So >rand scum in the people not posting? Maybe.

VOTE: Gimli

Why is that scummy?

If that’s the best you can do, you’re either scum or not trying very hard.

Plus your opening post to me looked a bit like buddying.

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Hiiiii I'm drunk and at a party and town and have no battery left

Kinda want Wednesday Addams to be a wolf and to pocket and make a fool of me

Glad to be playing with y'all

Hi Wednesday

I haven’t actually read anything since I posted but you totally deserve it for that vote.

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I will hard defend std the entire gameday so gl pushing him

I don’t know what STD is but since when have you become an expert?

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i don't know if i wanna know which one i am

Is it not obvious to you?

Am I lol the “crotchgoblin of woe”?

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i won't say anything in case you're not outed but if i could bet money as to who's alt you are i would

If you’re really that interested, pm me post-game with your guesses and depending on how generous I’m feeling, may or may not confirm or deny.

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Which means you randomly guessed I was scum in temple and now you can't stop you won't stop

I should post less crap though, just happy to be playing is all

Is it typical for you to throw out votes without much reasoning behind them? I don’t hate your posting but it almost looks like you’re desperate to find a reason to vote whomever?

I don’t understand why you voted Kokichi much less your vote on me?

I think it’s probably better maybe not to vote/or stick to your RVS one than to just make votes for the sake of it. If I’m reading this wrong, correct me but that’s how your votes read to me like not a lot of thought put into them.

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Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

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I don’t understand why you voted Kokichi

Kokichi made a weird post about STD being scummy, referencing a nothing post by STD on page 1 that I dont think he gets to read alignment wise. So I'm voting there, let's see what happens when kokichi returns

As to my play, I like doing this thing and it can be annoying but it can be good as well

I think it’s probably nia for Kokichi though.

UNVOTE:

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why are you sus on kaito

Also don’t understand this.

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why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

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ok now i want to get accused of seesawing who do i vote to do that

Is that like balancing the wagons or something?

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None of my votes were RVS and none of my townreads went unexplained (hopefully)

Nice that you worked so hard in the thread, bianco. I disagree with much of it but maybe that's how you work the game out as town, and that's all good.

I 1 agree with this. This whole being defensive thing =scum has been disproven to be nonsense in like more games than I care to remember, so I don’t even understand how it’s still even a thing? And it’s definitely not scum indicative for STD from what I can recall anyway. That’s said I’m not great at reading him but he vibed with me on some reads, so I liked that. I don’t have any scumreads yet and I would like to trust furtive but not sure if he’s reading me correctly yet and still don’t understand why Kaito is scummy?

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Eman
Pingu Flamethrower - penguinpower
Sparx
Crotch Goblin of Woe -wednesday
Unagi
Death Stare - furtiveglance
Sandra Bollocks
Uso Dayo
Modkill
Goatee - kaito
Baby Gangsta - me
Washing Machine - biancospino

This is my interpretations of the ones I think I've manage to decode.

One of these is wrong

And I think I figured it out. STD not biancospino is Washing Machine. Looking forward to my tax free check from NotAScamContest Inc.

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SO we probably shouldn’t be sheeping Gimli then, got it or we might wind up poweryeeting Marashu or something.

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Kaito/Wednesday/std gg mafia is easy

Jk

But maybe

Are you scum here or just dense?

I’m town and I actually know who Kaito is and don’t see why he’s scum and bite me.

I’m still suss on you. It’s hard to believe your takes are seriously this bad.

And great STD bop expert, why is he scum again?

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VOTE: Gimli

He can’t seriously be this bad as town.

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UNVOTE:

Actually he was joking. Still got my eye on you buddy.

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Kaito/Wednesday/std gg mafia is easy

Jk

But maybe

I have some concerns about this post though. Since I already know you’re wrong on me and am not convinced on either of these, have some possible concerns about you possibly chaining mislims?

Maybe that’s too strong a reaction but your posts continue to ping me. Kokichi thinking your post is too oblivious to be scum is probably the only thing stopping me from voting you because I know you’re capable of a lot better reads than what you’ve shown so far.

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I'm trying to make the game move in any direction, wed. Your extreme overreaction may be a good sign anyway.

As for my bad reads, do you disagree with my stronger townleans in furtive, bianco and fuyuhiko? If so, why?

Why are you townreading kaito? You've already outed your alt p much, you don't have to do it with kaito as well so can you explain why you're townreading his safe stances so far apart from meta?

As for STD, I won't say much other than announcing a hard defense on page 2 was a joke. Are you townreading std?

Meh not “extreme” but I suppose could definitely have been worded nicer so sorry if a bit harsh and I do find your reasoning in general for your reads as surfacey.

I have no clue with STD. I’ll probably feel better about him if he were to push someone I agree with but for right now, he’s a null. Based on knowing who Kaito is, I don’t find his posting so far scum indicate for him. I also liked Kokichi

and of course furtive. I take a little longer to give reads on players I have very little to no meta with.

I honestly don’t know about you. That’s why I’m watching you. I just have seen you make much better analysis than I’ve seen from you so far. It’s less about agreeing or disagreeing with your reads than some of your reasoning for them.

@NM amirite is STD Washing Machine and I’ll bet furtive’s death stare. lol

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I haven’t outed my alt not by a longshot and I’d greatly appreciate KEEPING it that way, tymia.

I’m not townreading Kaito, I’m saying that based on my knowing who they are, this doesn’t look so far like what I’d expect from their scum meta. There’s certain things I’ve seen from them as scum and from what I’ve seen so far from them, doesn’t really look like their scumgame but I’m not locking that in yet.

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and of course furtive. I take a little longer to give reads on players I have very little to no meta with.

I don't know your main then

Really? I thought you did. Well good then because I really don’t want my main outed anyway. We have played together before.

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VOTE: fuyuhiko

kyoko still could be scum

Can you explain both of these?

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Which means you randomly guessed I was scum in temple and now you can't stop you won't stop

I should post less crap though, just happy to be playing is all

This might be Gimli's towniest post.

Was this supposed to be sarcastic?

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Kaito is very clearly town hunting and I also like his takes. Just makes me feel better about both Kaito and STD.

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wednesday maybe town

maybe

something feels weird about people being like "Kaito's not really giving hard takes" and then he comes into the thread and doesn't give hard takes but i feel like if i were scum!kaito i would have given a controversial take in response

I’d be a lot more suspicious of Kaito if I didn’t know who they are but this isn’t how they typically play as scum, so currently townleaning kaito.

If you had any idea exactly how much I absolutely loathe fake solving, there would be no “maybe” about it.

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179 180 181 all strike me as a huffy villager, I don't really care much for the content (or lack of) from Save but from a pure toneread he seems like a villager to me.


Probably changing my vote to Kuzuryu for 178 since I can see both their main pushes being a villager. I want to see where this goes for my own curiosity reasons.

Kokichi is being...Kokichi. How annoying, whatever. I don't need to read that right now anyway.

I can already tell who Wed is and it doesn't really change my outlook on them, much.

VOTE: Kuzu

You either don’t know who I am then or maybe you’re just scum? Because both of these statements are highly unlikely to be true.

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Game was off-site

Maki drags me to a lot of stuff but don't tell her that I enjoy it

What was her alignment in that game?

And I’ve got a heavy FOS on Maki for saying she knows who I am and it makes no difference. So if she’s tellingthe truth about the former, she’s very likely to be scum here. If she has no clue who I am or wrong, it’s a null but I know anyone saying especially Maki that they know who I am and sr me is making a bs claim.

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I townread Maki, need to think more about Wednesday. There's a game I need to re-read but I obviously can't say which one

past?

Why don’t you just click on who you think I am and metadive me and then tell me how I’m any different here from any of my other towngames?

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Different maki energy from last game

Shoe on other foot? Wedsnesday vote not bad though

She was town I was scum

How is her ehergy different here?

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Game was off-site

Maki drags me to a lot of stuff but don't tell her that I enjoy it

What was her alignment in that game?

And I’ve got a heavy FOS on Maki for saying she knows who I am and it makes no difference. So if she’s tellingthe truth about the former, she’s very likely to be scum here. If she has no clue who I am or wrong, it’s a null but I know anyone saying especially Maki that they know who I am and sr me is making a bs claim.

It's pretty obvious because you play exactly the same way in every game on every account arghhhhhhhh

And then it's the whole thing of 'don't out me' but also 'I'm an alt and loads of my arguments are based on my main and knowing my main' which is less than fun to play with.

Sorry if this is pointed

No it’s fine but it was STD, you and Gimli who all made references to my main. Had no one said anything I wouldn’t have outed it but it’s a very fair criticism on your part regardless.

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I townread Maki, need to think more about Wednesday. There's a game I need to re-read but I obviously can't say which one

past?

Why don’t you just click on who you think I am and metadive me and then tell me how I’m any different here from any of my other towngames?

Because then I have to refer to games, which you don't want

Do you not see the difficulty

No I mean, for your own sake. I wasn’t suggesting you out me.

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Game was off-site

Maki drags me to a lot of stuff but don't tell her that I enjoy it

What was her alignment in that game?

And I’ve got a heavy FOS on Maki for saying she knows who I am and it makes no difference. So if she’s tellingthe truth about the former, she’s very likely to be scum here. If she has no clue who I am or wrong, it’s a null but I know anyone saying especially Maki that they know who I am and sr me is making a bs claim.

It's pretty obvious because you play exactly the same way in every game on every account arghhhhhhhh

And then it's the whole thing of 'don't out me' but also 'I'm an alt and loads of my arguments are based on my main and knowing my main' which is less than fun to play with.

Sorry if this is pointed

Maki is very familiar with my meta, so if she does know who I am and it makes absolutely no difference to her, decent chance she could be scum.

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Wednesday, can you towncase Kaito without using meta?

Unfortunately not really. I don’t see what’s particularly scummy about his posts if I had no idea who he was but it townpings me because his posts are generally different as scum from what I’ve seen from him in past games.

Idk why you’re townreading Maki. Rn, she’s my#1 scumread and that goes straight to a thousand if she really does know who I am.

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Would you believe me if I said I was reaction testing you to see if it really was who I thought it was?

Well, you got me then, well maybe I’m wrong on you?

I guess that makes sense. I just assume you did know. Well sorry about that then.

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Wednesday, can you towncase Kaito without using meta?

Unfortunately not really. I don’t see what’s particularly scummy about his posts if I had no idea who he was but it townpings me because his posts are generally different as scum from what I’ve seen from him in past games.

Idk why you’re townreading Maki. Rn, she’s my#1 scumread and that goes straight to a thousand if she really does know who I am.

The way you play gives other players agency over your reads. Maki voted you as an RT apparently. They'll probably say you passed but I disagree because I think your response is meta neutral

Yeah I get it now and reaction tests are town plus+ so Maki can be town for that then. How does my play give other players “agency over [my] reads”?

Not really and that’s all I’m going to say about it.

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Wednesday, can you towncase Kaito without using meta?

Unfortunately not really. I don’t see what’s particularly scummy about his posts if I had no idea who he was but it townpings me because his posts are generally different as scum from what I’ve seen from him in past games.

Idk why you’re townreading Maki. Rn, she’s my#1 scumread and that goes straight to a thousand if she really does know who I am.

The way you play gives other players agency over your reads. Maki voted you as an RT apparently. They'll probably say you passed but I disagree because I think your response is meta neutral

Yeah I get it now and reaction tests are town plus+ so Maki can be town for that then. How does my play give other players “agency over [my] reads”?

Not really and that’s all I’m going to say about it.

You push everyone who votes you

So other players can choose to be townread or scumread by you

I don’t do that if I have other reasons independent of that to townread a slot.

Well without flips, why isn’t that a good way to sort?

What is your read on Kuzo?

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You can wolfread me if you'd like, it isn't wise to trust an assassin after all.

I do think Kuzu is a pretty big wolf though.

You sure seem really confident in vote you made “for curiosity reasons”.

Would you believe me if I said I was reaction testing you to see if it really was who I thought it was?

That post was made about me not you. Her vote on you wasn’t a reaction test.

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It's okay, being around someone like me would normally get you in trouble. It's best to stay away, I prefer to be alone anyway.

You go ahead and solve the cases. But, I suggest starting with a look at the so called "baby gangsta"

Would you believe me if I said I was reaction testing you to see if it really was who I thought it was?

You can wolfread me if you'd like, it isn't wise to trust an assassin after all.

I do think Kuzu is a pretty big wolf though.

Yep, Maki’s vote on me was a reaction test, on Kuzo no mention whatsoever of that.

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Would appreciate if you didn’t undermine my questioning.

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I’m not townreading Kaito, I’m saying that based on my knowing who they are, this doesn’t look so far like what I’d expect from their scum meta.

In this case, I don't like how you're soft defending kaito so early based on nothing. If you're not townreading the slot then I don't see how my vote there (which at that point I didn't even explain) is seen as a particularly bad thing. As far as your reads go, I could as well be voting scum here, right?

Well I don’t think he is but they haven’t posted enough for me to l come anywhere near to ocktown them either. And it’s not nothing. I have a lot of meta on them, so try again.

Maybe sometimes I might actually have decent reads. I don’t know who the scum are in this game. Believe it or not, I don’t really gaf.

Rn, I think furtive, Maki, Sushi, maybe STD, and Kaito could be town. I want to hear more from Maki about Kuzo since I’m 100% going to trust her reads over yours eventhough I think you’re probably being just bad town where I’m concerned.

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If you had any idea exactly how much I absolutely loathe fake solving, there would be no “maybe” about it.

Do you always trash your scum game like this? Your solving has been minimal up to this point in the gamethread and I have the hardest time imagining you can't fake it as scum.

If I'm townreading anything you're doing is more emotion based and whatnot. But I read something that I should keep in mind, in that game I rep'ed in as a wolf and tried to push you for overreaction: people called it NAI then, so maybe townreading you here is too precipitated.

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How am I doing that? It’s a fact that I hate efforting and few things take more efforting than fake solving. Otoh, I absolutely love solving and figuring out things. I love to scumhunt but I need something to go on. I’m not just going to pull out so reads out of my ass just to try to look good to appease anyone who has no clue how to read me. I actually thought you could but you’re proving not to be if this game is any indication.

That’s another reason I like Maki, she has Kaito as a null and she’s very good at reading him. He’s not terrible at reading Maki but she’s probably better but I’m very familiar with Kaito’s scumgames and he is usually plays differently as scum, so rn, I have a weak tr on that slot.

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Why are you omgusing me so much?

Also, you don't give a fuck who's scum?

I sometimes wanna townread you, wed, but some of your posting isn't sitting well with me. Furtive is right that you're basically scumreading your scumreads throughout D1, which means if you're town you're quite easily open to being manipulated and buddied.

Because you’re takes on me have been bad but that’s like rocket science to me anyway. Sure and what would you prefer I do as an alternative to that? I’m looking for someone with decent reads that I also tr to sheep but haven’t found them yet. And now you’re spouting patent bs. Of cpurse I care who’s scum. How does me not knowing = not caring in your mind?

Yes that’s true I can possibly be buddied and manipulated but by whom? Who do you think is even doing that atp because rn I’m not seeing it?

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And @Gimli, you should tr me if you want to be on the side of right but not holding my breath on that either. Several months ago I decided that being bleeding obvtown straight out of the gate actually hurt my ability to scumhunt because if everyone’s locktowning me right off the gate, how can I tell who’s making genuine reads on me and who’s pocketing me, so I rarely do that now because I think the best way for me to get info very earlygame is to see if any suss slots are pushing me but yeah no longer think you have any real clue how to read me, so I’ll be extremely happy to throw this game in your face and loured it over you.

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I'd rather not clutter the thread with this. Tentatively townreading you anyway,

my little deathtrap

Lol dafuq? <3

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Spoiler:

lmfaoooo

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I haven’t outed my alt not by a longshot and I’d greatly appreciate KEEPING it that way, tymia.

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

You either don’t know who I am then or maybe you’re just scum? Because both of these statements are highly unlikely to be true.

Look, it's perfectly fine if you wish to remain anonymous, and I won't ask you not to, but then don't use self-meta to answer to things, which you did multiple times, here's two examples.
Otherwise whatever you say that relies on self-meta or knowledge of your main is pretty much unfalsifiable for at least a good section of the playerlist.

You’re conveniently forgetting with this that no less than now 4? players have claimed to know who I am. I never would have made that argument otherwise since this is very obviously an unouted alt, so if you want to blame anyone for that, blame the people who claimed to know my main not me.

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VOTE: kaito

What's the reason there, just so that there be a top wagon?

What’s your current read on Kuzo? @Maki why do you think he’s likely wolf?

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just some fast surface level - skimming - reads
I actually like gimli's way of engaging with people and making content, I feel he has a progressive mindset and is actually trying to solve in a genuine way (call it mostly gut)
I like biancospino more. I think what he did on that first post aligns well with rest of his play style (and specially how he organized that wall) and I find his consistency in his way of sorting things + town
I didn't like Wednesday posts. felt so shallow and on surface and didn't have any analyzing, just for sake of engaging. wanna see were it leads

maki not liking my going hard on biancospino in an attempt to start actual discussions and provoke reactions is an interesting reaction cause its against the flow of reactions that are about it in-game thread. I say interesting cause its probably + towny behavior but need to analyze it along size more clues to be able to brand it as towny or null.

I have some ideas in general about most other slots too, but I'm too tired right now as I had the toughest past 2 days ever and am sleepy right now

I want examples. In what way am I being surfacey? And no I don’t have any idea who’s scum yet, so I’m not going to fake a bs confidence I don’t yet have.

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I really really wish people would talk about other reads because I already know I’m not scum so that doesn’t help me with my reads here.

STD and Maki are really the only ones helping me with this.

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Yo Gimli, why isn’t Shuichi in your towncore?

Idk, but you are. Want me to take you off and put him instead?

Or why don't you make your own towncore and put Shuichi?

If he supposed to be strong townread by everyone? I mean I agree he is towny anyway, but maybe his towniest posts came after I posted here for the last time.

I will note you called Shuichi town before posting your 3-person towncore but you rectified that after this post so it’s not that egregious.

sort of like but more for the read on Shuichi than anything else.

VOTE: kaito

What's the reason there, just so that there be a top wagon?

What’s your current read on Kuzo? @Maki why do you think he’s likely wolf?

What’s your take on me? You seem very interested in what others think but haven’t voiced much thoughts on me yourself.

Neutral. Yes, I seem “very interested”. Of all the possibilities scumreads being floated about, Maki’s read on you made more sense to me than Kaito.

Idk, but you are. Want me to take you off and put him instead?

Also, you don't give a fuck who's scum?

I sometimes wanna townread you, wed, but some of your posting isn't sitting well with me

i dunno it just feels a little browbeat-y

I kinda like this

Meh? *squinting*

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Wednesday is scum. She says she hates fake solving and she has zero vocalized suspects. I’d say it’s easier to fake townreads than to fake scumreads.

Hate, maybe Maki’s possibly onto something with this?

How do you seriously get from agreeing with STD that Gimli was possibly “browbeating” me to I’m somehow likely scum, based on what? I’m trying to get opinions on you?

I didn’t feel other wagons being suggested and don’t like either your reaction here nor the fact that you can both agree with STD that Gimli’s somehow “browbeating” me but still think I’m likely scum here.

VOTE: Kuzo

[Wednesday Addams]

I also suggested gimli was browbeating him

But you’re not saying that and that you think I’m likely scum. so you’re being consistent. Kuzo says thinks he’s “browbeating” me yet thinks I’m likely scum. It makes me wonder if he knows I’m town and is trying to set up Gimli when I eventually flip? Maybe I’m offbase but I just don’t understand how someone can think BOTH Wednesday’s being browbeaten AND Wednesday’s also scum here.

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams
Thinking about it I might still be on Dragons so I’ll vote here to rectify that.

First scumread on me, I’d be happy to 1v1 with if necessary.

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams
Thinking about it I might still be on Dragons so I’ll vote here to rectify that.

Browbeating isn’t exactly a scumtell, it’s just a behavioral pattern. I liked Dragons pointing it out because I had also been rather perturbed by the stern reaction to my question about the townblock. I also think his saying you didn’t give a fuck who is scum was reading into your post to see something that wasn’t there, but it also might still hold a kernel of truth given your apparent lack of interest in finding scum outside the players currently suspecting you.
And I don’t understand why you place such value on Maki’s reads. Seems meta-related, which raises a question of why you’re so concerned about staying secret whilst not really caring to veil your own meta usage.

And noted that you’re voting me and not Maki because you think you can get away with mislimming me. well I can tell you that you’re very much mistaken. I extremely rarely get miselimed and this game will be no exception. Either prove my suspicion to be invalid but you’re omgus vote isn’t impressing me here.

While obviously not thrilled with either Bianco’s and Kyko’s reads on me, they actually sounded believable is obviously dead wrong, yours otoh I don’t really buy.

If you think I’m scum, you don’t freaking think, I’m also being browbeaten. And ditto the converse. YOU CANNOT Have It BOTH Ways - PICK 1.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

How do you figure that? If I’m scum, I think I’d deserve to be “browbeaten” here and if I’m town I obviously don’t and I am town and I don’t think what you’re saying here makes logical sense.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

How do you figure that? If I’m scum, I think I’d deserve to be “browbeaten” here and if I’m town I obviously don’t and I am town and I don’t think what you’re saying here makes logical sense.

Qualify, I don’t in anyway mean abused but I just don’t feel that he was actually “browbeating” me, so it just seems like 25 shades of wrong for you to agree with STD on that but not with his likely townread on me.

Unless you’re literally accusing Gimli of actually being mean to me or something, you’re take just sounds really weird to me. And I think that would also be cray cray tbh.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

How do you figure that? If I’m scum, I think I’d deserve to be “browbeaten” here and if I’m town I obviously don’t and I am town and I don’t think what you’re saying here makes logical sense.

No, I don’t think you “deserve” it if you’re scum. Everyone should be afforded a certain decency.

“Decency”? Wtf lol? What did evil Gimli do to poor damsel in distress me? Do something years ago to a hypothetical beloved pet or what?

This is sreaming over the top wk to me, change my mind.

[Wednesday Addams]

So I am making myself crystal clear, I do believe everyone has the right to be treated with decency and obviously never abused.

But Gimli said do I give a fuck about finding scum? Exactly what kind of PTSD therapy do you imagine I’ll be needing to heal from those highly traumatic deep scars?

Like this is just seriously overblown.

[Wednesday Addams]

He was drawing a conclusion from your post that wasn’t really there. I’ll admit I’m saying something similar but mine is more reasoned than his, as I see it he just saw one comment of yours and jumped you for it.

Since you’re currently voting me, why do you even take issue with that? If you really think I’m scum here, you shouldn’t be sussing him for that because that really only makes sense if you think he’s town and I’m scum. Unless I’m missing something about the setup which I actually haven’t paid much attention to thus far, this makes absolutely no sense.

I think it’s scummy that you both think I’m scum and was also being browbeaten and you’re stating that much more strongly than STD did.

[Wednesday Addams]

Because if you’re town it’s sketchy from Gimli that he’s reacting so harshly to fairly normal posts.
You just also come across as sketchy in your own right. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t ask other questions.

Okay fair, I am town but if in your opinion you think Gimli’s being harsh, do you still scumread him for that knowing he currently has me in his town core?

Like help me to make sense of this?

I was previously suspicious of him but I kind’ve vibe with Maki’s reads here.

So you tell me then, if I’m wrong on you, then who do you think is scum here (and don’t say me because that’s wrong)?

[Wednesday Addams]

He suggested kicking me out to add in Shuichi. How much stock do you think I put into Gimli’s towncore? It’s more flimsy than a tower of twigs!
Gimli is an immediate suspect. I don’t put much stock into this Kaito townread business myself. Third could be someone like furtive or Maki.

???

Do you scumread Kaito? I’m getting townvibes from both of those slots: furtive, Maki.

But neither of them are townreading Kaito so not following?

So why is Maki scum rather than just wrong on you and same question also to me, obviously?

[Wednesday Addams]

Maybe Kyko is scum here too?

You sr for me not doing enough and then I extremely reasonably scumread Kuzo for hypocrisy and you vote me. If they flip red, I’m not forgetting your garbage vote on me.

And there’s the difference, I’m finally doing what I typically do as town when I have a hunch and you vote me for - that despite all of my recent posting being very obviously obvtown.

That’s the difference, I really wasn’t before now so huge fucking FOS on you for that crap vote on me especially if Kuzo’s scum here.

Newsflash, I don’t get mislimmed as town so have fun trying to make that happen.

[Wednesday Addams]

Kuzu is looking for reasons to wolfread people over really believing anything they're pushing. It's like throwing something at a dartboard and praying someone will cling on. It's pretty obvious scrambling. But, I don't really feel the need to convince anyone on this. I'm keeping an eye on Kiri, given their personality I expect them to have some strong opinions, and if they just take a backseat I'll be raising an eyebrow at that.

Good to see this game pumping.

My 2c on that whole browbeating thing: I'm not being harsh to anybody. I used the "you don't give a fuck line" in response to Wednesday saying she doesn't give a fuck, literally, in those terms. And if I was being harsh, maybe I understand STD finding it sus cause he only played with me being some sort of happy go lucky player (apart from some speficic parts of our neighborhood in pairs mafia), but I disagree with people thinking that's a decent take on my posting. And that's all I'm going to say.

While obviously not thrilled with either Bianco’s and Kyko’s reads on me, they actually sounded believable is obviously dead wrong, yours otoh I don’t really buy.

I find many of wed's posts genuine and that she is doing her solving in her own way, that's quite reactive to how people are approaching her slot, and I think this interaction with fuyuhiko feels to me like a player trying to make sense of the game, so I'm further townleaning on Wednesday. Idk how good she is at emotionally posting throughout as scum but it really does feel like town frustration.

Everyone should be afforded a certain decency.

That's insane that my posting and STD's browbeating comment disassociated so much from where the conversation went, where "you don't give a fuck who's scum?" Becomes whether wolves should be treated with a certain decency. I'm really annoyed with this, I'm nice to everyone all the time. Meh.

Unless you’re literally accusing Gimli of actually being mean to me or something,

I would never.

He was drawing a conclusion from your post that wasn’t really there. I’ll admit I’m saying something similar but mine is more reasoned than his, as I see it he just saw one comment of yours and jumped you for it.

I came out of that interaction with Wednesday with a townread on her, so how does this make sense? And I was literally paraphasing her.

Jesus this is hard to read this early in the morning. Something about fuyuhiko feels off.

Join us?

That’s my point and if Kyoko’s town she ought to not be voting nor scumreading me for making completely reasonable points. Kykoko possibly chainsawing me here?

Why is it scummy to think what Kuzo’s saying makes very little fucking sense? I’m talking to YOU @Kyoko?

[Wednesday Addams]

Maybe Kyko is scum here too?

You sr for me not doing enough and then I extremely reasonably scumread Kuzo for hypocrisy and you vote me. If they flip red, I’m not forgetting your garbage vote on me.

And there’s the difference, I’m finally doing what I typically do as town when I have a hunch and you vote me for - that despite all of my recent posting being very obviously obvtown.

That’s the difference, I really wasn’t before now so huge fucking FOS on you for that crap vote on me especially if Kuzo’s scum here.

Newsflash, I don’t get mislimmed as town so have fun trying to make that happen.

Bear (not that bear) with me

Explain your "extremely reasonably scum read Kuzo for hypocrisy" like I didn't understand anything please

"I’m finally doing what I typically do as town when I have a hunch and you vote me for" I don't know what you do typically as town. I have no idea who you really are. but I'm not voting you for having a hunch. I voted for your surfing and reaction.

"that despite all of my recent posting being very obviously obvtown." That's a very odd thing to say. What gave you permission to decide that?

Your threat to chain scum read me because someone else might be scum in your mind is actually really weird too. A Town-Mindset is one filled with uncertainties, yet you're linking both people who have sus on you and are saying if one is red the other is too? Do you know if he is going to flip red or not? How is his alignment determining your read on my slot?

No but I think you’re voting me here for my recent posts is nuts frankly. I pointed out that it didn’t make sense for town to both think I was being “browbeaten” when I wasn’t and am also scum. Kuzo’s reaction to that was to say something about “decency”. So how exactly in your mind was Gimil’s post to me break some bizarro non-existent law of decency?

Because that is pretty much what Kuzo’s saying and also thinking I’m scum here, I’m saying that doesn’t make logical sense. It read to me like Kuzo can first push me then after I flip, he can than push Gimli for this hypothetical “browbeating” and yes, STD’s interpretation of that was both consistent and not unreasonable but Kuzo seemed to take it to a whole different level.

My point is that unless you honestly think Gimli was somehow practically harassing me or ridiculously over the top, it makes absolutely no sense to also think I’m scum here. That’s how you catch scum: inconsistency and reads devoid of logical sense. So if you’re town making this super questionable vote on me, then 0 clue what you’re even thinking with this.

[Wednesday Addams]

scum* I don't know why s wasn't typed. I apologize for the the typo

It doesn’t make sense because Gimli hasn’t been over the top anything and certainly nothing nasty in his treatment of my slot.

Kuzo wasn’t being consistent in his thought process like STD was. Consistency: Thinking I’m town and thinki Gimli was a bit too harsh? Disagree but that’s consistent from STD.

Kuzo otoh apparently wants his cake and eat it. He wants to both scumread me but make sure he can blame Gimli. I’ve seen that happen in a game. One slot mistakenly gets a player mislimmed and scum pounces on them trying to blame them for it.

I don’t see Kuzo’s contradictory and ridiculously over the top read on the me/Gimli interaction as making any sense coming from town and he also wants to possibly push furtive and Maki as well, both slots I think are town.

[Wednesday Addams]

Firt thing is whatever gimli posted about you has nothing to do with your alignment. This means you're not obv town to me at all.

I tend to individually read everyone and avoid linking my reads as its extremely ineffective to make conditional/linked reads. My vote on you is about your over reaction to getting voted and is about how you were surfing the thread without making any strong opinions before that.

about kuzo's vote on you, I can understand a bit better why you think he is scum but it still looks like a hard sketch. He was saying "browbeating" doesn't mean you're scum but he is scumreading you for not making any strong reads. How is him not scum reading you for one reason means he cant scum read you for another? Also how this means he';s going to push gimli later on?

Also why you think gimli is town in this interaction? is that based on a serprate read/interaction or just because you want to push kuzo for this reason?

I know when I’m being obvtown and when I’m not and I think have been in my recent posts and your argument is that I haven’t been doing anything, well I’m extremely suss on Kuzo because I think his entire reaction to me/Gimli makes no logical sense.

The only way what Kuzo’s saying to make logical sense is if Gimli had somehow actually been mistreating me or something which he clearly wasn’t.

If Kuzo doesn’t actually think that and he also thinks I’m scum, his reaction to Gimli doesn’t really make sense. What townie ever in the history of mafia is suspicious of someone pushing someone they scumread? If Kuzo otoh townread me like I think STD does, then no illogical thinking in that case but

it doesn’t make sense

and reads that don’t make sense typically come from scum.

[Wednesday Addams]

Also how this means he';s going to push gimli later on?

I don't want to interfere with your likely TvT but fuyuhiko is actually scumreading me afaict and I completely expect him to push me later on for being harsh and unfair to Wednesday, like he sort of did already.

Pedit: I'll go over maki and bianco in a bit. Re: roleplay, nothing is 100% just roleplay, when the game is going, I don't think.

Bingo! and it wouldn’t actually be scummy had he just taken a stand one way or the other but he’s suss on BOTH of us at pretty much the same time while clearly not seeing us as aligned. That’s what’s not making any sense to me,

[Wednesday Addams]

scum* I don't know why s wasn't typed. I apologize for the the typo

It doesn’t make sense because Gimli hasn’t been over the top anything and certainly nothing nasty in his treatment of my slot.

Kuzo wasn’t being consistent in his thought process like STD was. Consistency: Thinking I’m town and thinki Gimli was a bit too harsh? Disagree but that’s consistent from STD.

Kuzo otoh apparently wants his cake and eat it. He wants to both scumread me but make sure he can blame Gimli. I’ve seen that happen in a game. One slot mistakenly gets a player mislimmed and scum pounces on them trying to blame them for it.

I don’t see Kuzo’s contradictory and ridiculously over the top read on the me/Gimli interaction as making any sense coming from town and he also wants to possibly push furtive and Maki as well, both slots I think are town.

I still cant see any contradition. Nor I see any over reaction on his part. He saw a behavioral pattern and pointed it out, but he said he scumread you for an entirely different reason.

The more you post however, the more I get the impression that you don't have a hard scum read on kuzo and are faking it however. Your initial pushback on his slot was cause of his vote on you after you voted him but now you're accusing him of setting up possible future mislims to justify your tunnel. Not sure if its just your personality to try to fake a tunnelvision or if its alignment indicative in this context.

Or my impression might be off and you really believe these linked reads that you're making cause you actually made one about me and Kuzo's vote while my vote is for a completely different context entirely but I kinda feel you don't even believe that linked read either an d are faking that too

How am I not being blatantly clear here?

Logical contradictions in thought like this tend to more come from scum then town and I honestly don’t give a fuck whether or not you believe it, if you’re town here then you’re playing badly.

[Wednesday Addams]

@kyoko: Wednesday is very likely town. And from town!wed's perspective, what she is saying about fuyuhiko makes perfect sense, imo. I just told you fuyuhiko is scumreading me afaict, and finding my stance unfair to Wednesday when that interaction ended up with me townreading her AND when he actually agrees with my "you don't care who's scum" comment is a bit nonsensical, don't you think? How am I being unfair if he actually agrees with my stance?

+1

But I think it’s pretty clear that his vote on me was pure omgus because he didn’t like that I was a asking Maki to explain her scumread on him. Apparently trying to understand others’ reasoning is proscum or something according to Kuzo.

[Wednesday Addams]

Game still hard wolves posting goo

I can see the bianco scumreads but I'm not really there

Last pages strengthened my kyoko/maki/wed townreads to a proper D1 towncore

Another rule of three if I’m right about one scum between Maki and Wednesday (I think Kyoto is just town here)

You clearly have no clue what the “rule of three” even pertains to.

Rule of Three: is scum going down sometimes well make a few reads which might contain at least one buddy or more to distance. It’s probably unreliable at best since it’s also easily manipulable.

If I’m wrong on you, you’re going to have to do a helluva lot better than this.

[Wednesday Addams]

But it seems like your game plan here is to ad hominem your way past my scumread on you.

I'm sorry if all I can do is townread the thing you're doing

Your read on me is literally “you’re bad at the game so you’re town”. Do you realize how that serves your own agenda if you’re scum?

VOTE: furtiveglance
This, Gimli, and Maki is my solve as of this moment.

Gladiate Fuyuhiko

Finally! SOMETHING exciting this game. Let's see who will come out alive.

Honestly I wish it was real. Even if I get voted out it probably solves the game outright.

Why do you not think it’s real?

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: furtive

Bananas

You should explain this vote methinks. Why is furtive scum?

Furtive expressed genuine frustration with both parsing me and my Kaito read. He has been very clearly trying to sort me I think.

[Wednesday Addams]

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

The nuance is fucking overwhelming me

It’s possible Bianco could be scum here.

UNVOTE:

for now. Very glad gladiate isn’t a thing.

[Wednesday Addams]

Think Suichi is really town. @Bianco, can you explain why you’re doing this percentage thing and can you link any other games where you’ve done it before? I would check but the new formatting only lists users’ posts not topics so is a bitch to figure out.

[Wednesday Addams]

Kyoko/Furtive/Kokichi are my townreads

Kaito dropped down a bit, but still lean

PP/Maki still null

Wednesday/Gimli/StD below null but not where I'd vote

Would vote Fuyu/Bianco

How tf do you still have me below null?

[Wednesday Addams]

- 0.75 Saihara

+0.6 Furt

+ 0.2 Oma

What’s this mean exactly?

[Wednesday Addams]

No teamwork or attempt to reach a middle ground, you people are so stubborn. What an annoying mess to deal with, it's like you're not even trying. I'd be pretty shocked if Gimi/Furt/Wed were wolves, if you wish to disprove me of that, it's on you.

wouldn't you say you might be the stubborn one if you're not going to consider the reads against those slots? XD

Instead of seizing on one viewpoint, the truth is uncovered by analyzing things from every angle. It's good that we're pushing from different angles. Each person needs to come to their own conclusions so that everyone can have confidence in the outcome.

No because I strongly agree with her. I know you’re wrong on me and I think furtive, Gimli and Maki are town and no good reads trump democracy if it’s incorrect, so I think maybe you’re the one here with tunnel vision because you’re not considering the reasons people who know me are townreading me a helluva lot better than you do.

[Wednesday Addams]

I don't have tunnel vision. I'm pretty open to changing my read on your slot.

Regardless I still think your reaction to being voted was fake in both instances so I'm still voting for you.

Let's give me more reasons to town read you then if you're part of town. Can you write two sentences for each of your reads so we can start from there?

I never ever fake my emotions and I only get called “fake” and “forced” as town and ironically more often than not by very bad town. Although I have been shitpushed by scum with that as well but scum usually find something sillier than you did.

[Wednesday Addams]

Maybe first explain to me why you’re reading what I said as “forced” or “faked” because that really doesn’t make much sense to me but I have gotten told that before but honestly no idea why?

So if you’re scumreading my playstyle - looks like - not sure you won’t read all of my posts that way, right?

So you’re going to have to come up with something beyond “forced” or “fake” if you want to engage with me further.

I obviously can’t explain to you why this is wrong.

As for reads, I’ve already given plenty in my iso.

I think furtive, Gimli, Maki are town. I’m the most up in the air wrt to Kuzo and Bianco. Penguin’s a complete null to me right now.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think furtive, Gimli...are town.

Why?

You don’t, why not?

[Wednesday Addams]

You don't answer a question with a question, friend.

I think it’s the player who isn’t townreading the slot to explain that read first, then the person disagreeing with that read to dispute it.

And it’s already in my ISO so why is it necessary to repeat myself? It isn’t that long.

[Wednesday Addams]

Maybe first explain to me why you’re reading what I said as “forced” or “faked” because that really doesn’t make much sense to me but I have gotten told that before but honestly no idea why?

So if you’re scumreading my playstyle - looks like - not sure you won’t read all of my posts that way, right?

So you’re going to have to come up with something beyond “forced” or “fake” if you want to engage with me further.

I obviously can’t explain to you why this is wrong.

As for reads, I’ve already given plenty in my iso.

I think furtive, Gimli, Maki are town. I’m the most up in the air wrt to Kuzo and Bianco. Penguin’s a complete null to me right now.

Its because I don't think you actually think he is scum for it. you were voting the slot before he voted you and mentioned he is doing it for another reason, yet you went on forward to even say its a 1v1.

later when I voted you, you repeated same pattern saying you think I might be scum for it as well and not just that, you even tried to link me to kuzu and went on ahead to put the reads like a domino as one will grant the other, even though they were completely unrelated.

Or the line about "I'm obvious town"

It's just way too self-centered and over-reactionary about getting voted that it doesn't look real. That plus how self-aware you are when doing it, it feels like you just want to

appear like this

to support a past trend of behavior that you had elsewhere when pushed to make people read you as town.

That's why I think it's fake and forced and why I scum-read you currently

Now can you please share your vision about the your reads in the game?

And again, you’re scumreading my playstyle. I do think it’s possible Kuzo could be scum for all of the reasons I stated. Am I certain on that read? Obviously no, far from it but if you’re going to claim that I’m being either “forced”, “fake” or “reactionary” when I know it’s bs, I don’t know how you expect me to engage with any of that.

I cannot explain to you that your entire reason for scumreading me is based off of playstyle and if you’re not understanding why that’s what you’re doing, I don’t see how I can help you with that.

I gave perfectly valid logical reasons for my read. It didn’t - and still doesn’t ftr - make logical sense to me that Kuzo accuses Gimli of “browbeating” me and then votes me but it’s not always easy to differentiate between scummy town and scum and that’s what I’m wrestling with wrt to Kuzo.

[Wednesday Addams]

I never said I wasn't townreading them - you assumed that.

I asked for your rationale and if it's so easy to find you can c/p it for me.

Furtive’s trying to parse me and sort my Kaito reads felt very genuine. I also think that Gimli’s thought process wrt had a logical progression and also felt genuine.

Good enough? Do I get a gold star? lol

[Wednesday Addams]

I'll give you a bronze star because I don't really see that, and thus don't agree, but you answered.

Well, why do you disagree with that then? Are you disagreeing with me on both furtive and Gimli? If you also townread them, then I’m really confused by this.

[Wednesday Addams]

Maybe first explain to me why you’re reading what I said as “forced” or “faked” because that really doesn’t make much sense to me but I have gotten told that before but honestly no idea why?

So if you’re scumreading my playstyle - looks like - not sure you won’t read all of my posts that way, right?

So you’re going to have to come up with something beyond “forced” or “fake” if you want to engage with me further.

I obviously can’t explain to you why this is wrong.

As for reads, I’ve already given plenty in my iso.

I think furtive, Gimli, Maki are town. I’m the most up in the air wrt to Kuzo and Bianco. Penguin’s a complete null to me right now.

Its because I don't think you actually think he is scum for it. you were voting the slot before he voted you and mentioned he is doing it for another reason, yet you went on forward to even say its a 1v1.

later when I voted you, you repeated same pattern saying you think I might be scum for it as well and not just that, you even tried to link me to kuzu and went on ahead to put the reads like a domino as one will grant the other, even though they were completely unrelated.

Or the line about "I'm obvious town"

It's just way too self-centered and over-reactionary about getting voted that it doesn't look real. That plus how self-aware you are when doing it, it feels like you just want to

appear like this

to support a past trend of behavior that you had elsewhere when pushed to make people read you as town.

That's why I think it's fake and forced and why I scum-read you currently

Now can you please share your vision about the your reads in the game?

And again, you’re scumreading my playstyle. I do think it’s possible Kuzo could be scum for all of the reasons I stated. Am I certain on that read? Obviously no, far from it but if you’re going to claim that I’m being either “forced”, “fake” or “reactionary” when I know it’s bs, I don’t know how you expect me to engage with any of that.

I cannot explain to you that your entire reason for scumreading me is based off of playstyle and if you’re not understanding why that’s what you’re doing, I don’t see how I can help you with that.

I gave perfectly valid logical reasons for my read. It didn’t - and still doesn’t ftr - make logical sense to me that Kuzo accuses Gimli of “browbeating” me and then votes me but it’s not always easy to differentiate between scummy town and scum and that’s what I’m wrestling with wrt to Kuzo.

I'm not expecting you to engage with any of those. You asked why I scum-read you so I repeated it again. I'm not sure "It's just my playstyle" is a valid defense about the point I made about how you are self-aware and consciously made self-centered reactions to getting voted the way you did. It feels set up.

Anyways what I expect you to do is to engage me with your reads not with my scum read about you. Let's forget that for a bit and talk about solving the rest of the game. can you write 2 sentences about a few slots in the game that you have read on either way?

Why don’t people want to read my ISO? Did you not just read my response to Penguin? I disagree with you as well that I’m “self-aware” because if that were true in the slightest I wouldn’t have to keep banging my head against a brick wall trying to undestand what you’re talking about.

Do you agree or disagree with that take?

[Wednesday Addams]

Oh - I never said I townread them either. I explicitly didn't say.

I think furtive has been dancing around with their read on and that doesn't really feel genuine which is why I disagree with you.

idrc about gimli right now

Oh really? His read on me or . . . ?

[Wednesday Addams]

why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

I mean yeah I get that reaction, I literally said the same thing. But if I look at the game pre-flipping Gimli as town then your vote looks bad, which is somewhat obvious.

P.S. yeah I think I know your main!

@furtive why did you make this post? Iirc Gimli was never even in any danger? And if that hypothetically had even happened why would my vote have looked bad? I guess I don’t understand the point of this post?

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: bianco

meh

[Wednesday Addams]

I think Kyoko’s probably town for that last post.

[Wednesday Addams]

with caution

The problem is you could just be throwing out LAMIST language but since you don't actually have a plan to proceed with caution what purpose does your post serve?

Don't make them claim if we're not willing to kill them for claiming vt

Why would we kill someone for that reason? Can’t scum fakeclaim tprs as well? I agree with Kyoko that you probably shouldn’t be saying this because that could lead to exactly a vt claim and it would be less trustworthy because of this post.

There is no good reason to not have someone claim. I don’t understand your logic here.

[Wednesday Addams]

Clarify: Kyoko didn’t say anything specifically like that but it does make a vt claim look more convenient than it would have otherwise and that’s my OPINION and why I’m wondering about that.

[Wednesday Addams]

StD and idk...Kaito?

Why is STD scum here?

[Wednesday Addams]

---

Even with the doors tightly closed, even bundled in the warmest blankets, the winter chill was unforgiving and undiscerning. It froze, it locked whatever it touched into the embrace of eternity. It did not care if you were alive. It did not care if you were dead. All it cared was that you were made of freezable meat.

---

Not_Mafia was killed in the night. Not_Mafia was

Spoiler: Not_Mafia

Undead Ghoul

.

Saihara Shuichi was killed in the night. Saihara Shuichi was

Spoiler: Saihara Shuichi

Village Witch Hunter

Day 2 begins. It will end in (expired on 2023-02-05 10:44:20).

Wow this is awesome, only one scum left. I thought Bianco seemed unhappy so wasn’t really surprised but I had no clue about NM but nice shot.

[Wednesday Addams]

Here's the wall. In nice spoiler so that it won't fill the screen.

Spoiler: Wednesday

I will ignore posts I don't find significant.
118: I agree with Wednesday here that Gimli's sus on her is not really founded, in fact just posting some rvs placeholder and then disappearing is the sort of thing I'd do myself if a game were to begin while I had RL things to do -- frankly, I don't really care for the implication here that Wednesday was faking that.
That said, I'm unsure if that line of thinking is necessarily scum indicative, it is going for the easy fish though, so Wednesday's vote may be justified; it is however a somewhat agressive post (yes, I used that adjective myself this time).
As for the buddying comment, well I also saw it as already remarked, but people seem to think it was just a joke and I can get behind that, I just don't think it was a good joke.

133: I don't necessarily agree that switching votes rapidly during D1 is very scum indicative. If anything reveals some fluidity that I believe could more easily come from town. And I don't think that Gimli is "making votes for the sake of it", his votes are justified (even if, indeed, flimsily). I think this post is +scum actually.

146: that's fine, but I think asking to motivate a sus read on oneself is more likely to come from groupscum (I have no data on this, this is just based on my forma mentis. If anyone has data to back off the converse, I'll gadly hear it). So half +scum.

148: I actually like this interaction. The unvote seems to corroborate that Wednesday actually espouses the view in #133, as #142 does indeed alleviate the perception she had that Gimli's vote were just random. +town

149: whatever. The explanation is sound, and I also agree to the distaste of Gimli's vote for her, but I won't give her town cred for this.

176: see, this is a pretty inconsequential friendly banter. However, I point that out because post #127 is also inconsequential banter, and their both with STD. At this point I don't think it's consequential, but notice how STD was actually the only player Wednesday approached to in this manner (excluding quoting NM's read list, but then again lots of people, myself included, did that at some point).

total: 0.5+scum

Spoiler: STD

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Penguin

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

Spoiler: Penguin

Spoiler: furtive

9: I actually read this as null. I guess it could be beneficial to town to start analysing mech early, though this one remark is pretty shallow and quite trivial, so a scum could have easily made it without really hurting anything.

13: this I like... a bit less, since he was the one to start doing setup spec. I'm giving it +0.25scum for that, though the awkward thing is that I actually agree with the suggestion here.

15: eh, that explanation does not actually completely alleviate the uneasiness.

21: this is a bit brazen, I actually don't hate it. At the very least is not panicky. Let's say +0.25town.

30: same thing as for #9; it's all well and good we know that, but the utility is so little that a scum could have easily made this observation without hurting anything. I'm not gonna give town cred for that.
About the Wednesday jokes, I do believe he just meant he didn't like those as jokes, at least as of 40, so whatever

117: about PP, I don't like doing meta, maybe when I'll have the will I'll check the veracity, though I do appreciate the comment.
I'm not 100% sure I do like the Gimli comment though, in a way it's, somewhat ironically, a bit surface level. Now I like that furtive is sharing some early reads, and I'm giving some town cred for that, but that's not really enough effort for me to give much. +0.5town

129--138: meta, meta, meta. I don't know meta.

151, 158: I don't care much for the assumption that Wednesday's vote would look particularly bad after town!Gimli flips; it is true that Wednesday was tunnelly and all, but to say that would implicate that Wednesday is probably not town if Gimli is is a lot of a stretch. I also don't care about the need to comment on the optics of what will happen when Gimli flips town, I of course get that it was just an argumentative hypothesis, it's just that sussing Wednesday on the fact that she would be sus assuming the veracity of a particular hypothesis sound off. +0.75scum, not a full +scum because I liked #151 in isolation.

199: eh, may be a decent attempt to get some interactions. +0.25town

205: That's bantery. May mean nothing though.

Spoiler: Gimli

6: I though it could be buddying, but people seem to think it's just a joke and whatever, I can manage to see it being that.

22, 23: that's well and good, but, like, why? +0.25scum
(also, I noted Gimli did call Fuyuhiko as huyuhiko a couple times. Is this just a typo or there is some lore reason to it, just curios)

28: I am willing to concede this may just be a late RVS vote and go on.

39: okay, but again, why exactly is that? Like, am I wrong in getting so upset about this? +0.5scum

46: eh, I actually do like this post. It's attempting to call out furtive on backpedaling, though I'm not convinced he was in the first place. Still, +0.25town.

56, 59: the TRs are fine. I'm unsure how I should thik about being defended like this though, I'm always a bit paranoid it may be buddying. Whatever, +0.25town.

63, 64: inciting discussion; that's good. +0.5town

87, 100: idk, lots of TRs. The STD things is probably a joke, but a bit distasteful to me, though I'll leave this at null.

116: it's a bit of a stretch alright. She may have had RL issues or whatnot, I feel like discounting this may be the case is slightly rude, but more to the point is slightly going for the easy target. +0.25scum, but I'm not sure on this.

122--124: uh. What. +0.25scum

142: the explanation makes sense. +0.25town

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Kokichi

33, 37: this to me seems a towny thing to do. I suppose it's possible for scum to do that to throw some easy shade, but also I don't think it would be effective at all. On the other hand, a Townie is either genuine, and so the vote is fine and also trying to see if someone else is of the same opinion to corroborate one's own is fine, or is attempting a reaction test which clearly has more utilty for town. +town.

190: this is on the same page as me thinking #38 to be slightly defensive. Kokichi here seems to be genuine, +0.25town

196: yeah, that line of reasoning is... flimsy at best. Though they're right that it would have taken us out of RVS, and doing so I believe is protown. I'm not giving extra town cred for this post in itself, since it was after the fact.

total: 1.25+town

Spoiler: Saihara

49: this post I like. I don't think it seemed fabricated concern, and it was good to initiate the game proper. +town

95--103: It was not a good job at convincing, but wathever.

total: 1+town
In all manners, my previously stated TR on Saihara stands.

Spoiler: Kyoko

50: I have already answered to the content of this post, and made clear my opinions on it. I want to say that, however, that some of the criticism in my original 78 are clearly resolved by 80, which does clear a lot of the doubts I had on her. With that, #50 does seem actual effort to scumhunt, so +town.

104: I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the embedded picture. Not reading anything wrong into it, I'm just genuinely unsure.

112: eh, that's good. Well, I don't agree completely, though this is a pretty lucid explanation that I don't see scum making. +0.5town.

total: 1.5+town

Spoiler: Fuyuhiko

14--18: eh, a little quick to draw conclusions, but not completely unreasonable. +0.25town

145: ok. Don't think it's an AI thing to say though.

149 (I also believe 152 ties to this): since you're not the first to ask, I was under the impression that a FoS was just a way to signal willingness to vote a spot one find suspicious -- and so that a vote is no longer a FoS, since you already acted on that willingness. From what I'm understanding from here, I probably understood that wrong.

154: that's actually a reasonable question, though my judgment of Kaito may be clouded, since most of the things they said tie to me. +0.25town

156: why? It does come across as a bit brisky, I'll admit that.

164: as I said, I don't think gut reads are necessarily scummy. And the tone here seems a bit sarcastic to me, which I would imagine could possibly be some sort of veiled accusation. +0.25scum (but I'm not the best at reading tone...)

172: is this remark somewhat offhanded or what? I don't get if it sais that they're reading Gimli as town for that post, or sarcastically that they find all their other post so scummy that that one is the towniest.

178: this actually shows coerency with #156 and #164, so I'm gonna put it down as a bit townie-looking. +0.25town

total: 0.5+town

Spoiler: others

• Kaito is mostly talking about me and others' interactions with me, so it would be difficult for me to comment on them. I don't have actual reasons to scumread them at the moment, and in fact I do like the fact they're not hard TRing me and are in fact willing to entertain Kyoko's points, like in #108.
  
• Not_Mafia is just null. I don't think that the fact they put themself on the bottom does necessarily mean the list is trash, I think it's just memey. I also don't think the list is of much value, looks like is there mostly as joke anyway.

rule of three things

How do you get rule of three from this? He’s got the entire playerlist mentioned.

[Wednesday Addams]

I find it interesting that Bianco's wagon gained speed when he is more afk and is now even facing resistance without him appearing in the game at all

He even said he is V/LA for a while so not sure what's the point of this pressure or de-pressuring right now. Like all the previous points I said about the slot stands but the timing of this wagon is weird at the very least.

---------------------

Now last two page interactions, I feel like Kaito is just sheeping the wagon without adding anything to the pressure itself.

and then there's the whole thing about having "caution" with making them claim - not making them claim unless you're ready to eliminate them while he himself is one of the main votes to push him to that stage(?) thing is just doesn't make sense.

@Kaito, hello sir, Would you mind talking to me about your top 3 to top 5 reads in the game a bit? I would like to engage in a conversation with you to understand your current game vision better if you don't mind

So why didn’t you vote him?

[Wednesday Addams]

I don't see it

@Kokichi, unless the RVS banter is AI for std for some meta reason, which I don't know, that's the only post you may be referring to on page 1.
Now, Fuyuhiko's motivation for their (I presume) non-RVS vote is indeed pretty evident, so not to see it may be a little weird -- so I guess it may just be a very soft pocketing (or a very soft attempt to detract the real vote placed on his undeadbuddy, though frankly I would think doing such a thing, with that intention, barely out of RVS when there's no actual indication that relieving pressure would be necessary, has very little to no benefit and would risk outing one's buddy, so I'd be cautioned to exclude this hypotesys).

Though frankly, idk, it's not like it's so glaring that I'm convinced it's so. If we're looking at pocketing attempts, I'd even say that Gimli's joking about Wednesday is more emotionally significant to the parts involved (though, again, it may just be an interpersonal meta thing, which I wouldn't know about).

Okay, Gimli spewed town but he’s been pretty obvtown anyway. This makes me not to want to vote Kuzo. Gimli, sanity check me on this but I think this looks antipartnery for Kuzo.

[Wednesday Addams]

Spoiler:

[quote=Marashu post_id=13613174 post_num=0 time=1674057629 user_id=34070]

OPEN 871 - Haunted Village

Player List

• furtiveglance
  
• Wednesday Addams
  
• biancospino
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• Maki Harukawa
  
• Kaito Momota
  
• Kokichi Oma
  
• Gimli
  
• Kyoko Kirigiri
  
• Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
  
• PenguinPower
  
• Not_Mafia
  *
  
  
• Saihara Shuichi

*

Denotes prod

Spoiler: Living Players

• furtiveglance
  
• Wednesday Addams
  
• biancospino
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• Maki Harukawa
  
• Kaito Momota
  
• Kokichi Oma
  
• Gimli
  
• Kyoko Kirigiri
  
• Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
  
• PenguinPower
  
• Not_Mafia
  
• Saihara Shuichi

Spoiler: Dead Players

None

Haunted Village

Full set-up can be found here.

• 10 villagers
  
  
• 3 undead

During Night 0, the undead will be informed of which PRs the village has access to (but not how many of each role). They will then choose which roles they wish to purchase.

The village will have

between 5-9 ascension points

. The undead have 3 fewer points than the village.
Possible roles for the Village (note that likelyhood skews when only 1 or 2 points remain):

• Villager - 0pts (Vanilla townie, default)
  
• Priest - 3pts (Cop, 25%)
  
• Witch Hunter - 2pts (JOAT with 1-shot cop, vig, and tracker, 20%)
  
• Sorceress - 3pts (Vigilante, 15%)
  
• Enchantress - 1pt (Custom rolestopper, 10%)
  
• Healer - 2pts (Doctor, 10%)
  
• Angel - 2pts (Custom vengeful, 10%)
  
• Trickster - 1pt (Non-consecutive commuter, 10%)

Possible roles for the Undead:

• Ghoul - 0pts (Mafia goon, default)
  
• Vampire - 2pts (Roleblocker)
  
• Death Knight - 2pts (Custom avenger)
  
• Ghost - 2pts (Framer)
  
• Zombie - 2pts (Custom delayed diplomat)
  
• Banshee - 2pts (Custom non-consecutive strongman)
  
• Immortal - 3pts (Godfather)
  
• Witch - 1pt (Rolecop)

Unique rules

Priest, Witch Hunter

• Holy Water
  : Immortals return favourable (innocent) result; a ghost's possessed target returns unfavourable (guilty) result

Witch Hunter

• Can only use one skill per night
  If roleblocked or targeting an invisible target, the abilities are not wasted

Sorceress

• Lightning Bolt
  : Blocked by an enchanter's spell shield

Enchantress

• Spell Shield
  : Protects the target from harmful magical abilities, but will not stop normal kills
  vampires, ghosts, and death knights won't affect shielded targets
  
• Banshee wails and sorceress lightning won't kill shielded targets
  
• Shielded zombies won't reanimate for the night
  
• Witch divinations on shielded targets return "no result" as if roleblocked

Angel

• Smite (reactive)
  : When an angel dies, it can choose to smite someone
  
• If the angel's target is undead or ghost-possessed (but not an immortal), it will be slain

Trickster

• Invisibility
  : The trickster can turn invisible and become immune to all direct night actions except strong kills
  
• After turning invisible, a trickster must wait one full night before it can become invisible again

Death Knight

• Dark Ward
  : Wards a target to kill its killers if it dies
  
• Both the ward and its reactive kill can be blocked by an enchanter's spell shield

Zombie

• Reanimation (reactive)
  : If eliminated, the zombie will rise from the dead on the next dawn, but only if another undead exists
  
• Will be slain for good if killed in any way other than elimination
  
• If dead and awaiting reanimation, the zombie cannot be put to rest by normal means
  
• Will not reanimate if doing so will endgame the remaining players

Banshee

• Death Wail
  : If the banshee performs the undead kill, it can instead choose to use its wail
  
• The wail kills through invisibility and healing, but is blocked by an enchanter's spell shield
  
• After wailing, the banshee must wait one full night before it can wail again

Other mechanics

• The undead have daytalk; a zombie who isn't permanently slain can still communicate privately even if "dead"
  
• The undead who performs the kill can also use their other powers on the same night

Other questions

• None yet

[/area]

Events

• None Yet

[/quote]

Kaito why do you think scum would take roleblocker specifically?

[Wednesday Addams]

Hey guys

This is looking like an easy game

bianco's vote was on Fuyu so I don't think it's them anymore

I'll read up later but I don't think Kaito's comment about the Roleblocker is towny

VOTE: Kaito Momota

Why not?

[Wednesday Addams]

I don’t know why but I’m not extremely confident sheeping furtive on anything here. He was hard defending bianco and even tried to fake duel Kuzo.

I don’t see a lot of thought put into his votes.

[Wednesday Addams]

maybe it's maki

VOTE: maki roll

This vote is funny if you like sushi.

[Wednesday Addams]

Im not a fan of hammering early but i was always happy with the wagon being on bianco.

I called out both the votes and unvotes on him and explained why the preassure and depressure at that time was wierd not the wagon itself.

I think kaito was bussing though

What makes you think that?

[Wednesday Addams]

The paranthetical you quoted does indeed only work in the case where std and futive are partners. I said it myself how I don't find it likely, so I don't get where you find me assuming people guilty until proven otherwise. If anything I have advocated for the idea of them being partners to be rejected.

I'm saying, why did you feel the need to even entertain the idea to reject it at that point in game?

Why can't they just be posting what is on their mind?

This probably looks good for Kiri.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think STD is really townie because if he’s actually fake solving here, than I want lessons. lol

[Wednesday Addams]

Who feels like lynching bianco with me for funzies?

I think this is a post town Kokichi is likely to make here.

[Wednesday Addams]

Think Suichi is really town. @Bianco, can you explain why you’re doing this percentage thing and can you link any other games where you’ve done it before? I would check but the new formatting only lists users’ posts not topics so is a bitch to figure out.

No, I can't link to any game for that; I believe I already said it elsewhere, I'm just trying things. And it's not a percentage or anything, I'm just giving out quarters, not arbitrary values. In my mind it's exactly the same as doing +/++/+++/++++.

While I'm not actually in full agreement with Wednesday that it's impossible for one to be both scum and '''browbeaten''' (and multiple quotations are needed here), I'm with her that Kuzu's treatment of the issue has been weird. It makes to sense to see the browbeating as a reason to see her as scum, and while I appreciate that Kuzu maintains to find Wednesday sus regardless of that, he did make a bigger deal than necessary of it.
Which is weird, since to me it would appear to incriminate Gimli more than Wednesday, but the kept arguing about that with her, and keeping his vote on her. It did paint the picture that Gimli/Wednesday should not be considered TvT; I don't actually find it convincing, but I suppose it could be setting the stage to link miselims.

@kioko, I didn't, anywhere in this post or elsewhere, assert that G/W is actually TvT, or that I strongly believe it to be so; I did just say that I'm not convinced it is not, and that I don't like how Kuzu's posting left me with the impression they was trying to strongly characterize G/W's interaction as not being so, for what I believe to be spurious reasons that I believe could possibly be fabrications. Why is that an indication that I must have been operating off an informed prospective eludes me.

(also, I believe you misunderstood me when I said "appreciate that Kuzu mantains ...". I was not intending to say that I do

like

that, just that I rekon that it is so; I also believed that that usage was pretty evident from context, but clearly it was not, apologies)

@mods, V/LA till 28/Jan

More evidence of Gimli town.

[Wednesday Addams]

This might just be your posting style, but for some reason I don't like the whole .25~ scum/town thing, seems a bit forced. But, I won't scumread you for that for now. I don't get how I'm one of your biggest townreads when even in said townread reason you said my post was 'flimsy at best'

It's not necessarily my style actually, this is one of my first forum games and so I'm trying to do different things to see if I find something

I

like. Anyway, I did not really townread you because of the content itself, which per se I don't find convincing (and note that your explanation for your initial sr did not factor into my read at all); I just don't think that 33 is something that scum would do. It doesn't appear to be a joke, I don't particularly think scum would wish to reaction fish in this way, and I find it hard to believe that scum!you could possibly be trying to either shade or distance with that post.

You throw a scumread cause of the ultimate joke std made and then act mysteriously around it as if it meant anything.

See, I don't agree that it is particularly sus at all. Kokichi stated to have a reason for a sr, and in fact did -- that the reason is spurious is no matter; on the whole the behavior of keeping the mystery did likely provide more utility for town than what just stating the reason outright would have provided, since it had the net effect of definitively moving the game past rvs.

Lol, it’s pretty funny how bianco spewed Gimli and Kokichi town with his posts.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think STD is really townie because if he’s actually fake solving here, than I want lessons. lol

teach me how to read STD

It just feels like real solving to me.

[Wednesday Addams]

Also we should not vote anyone out today, we are at even numbers and have a chance to get results. The lone mafia is forced to kill and bring it back to even numbers.

I’ve heard a fair bit about this even/odd number thing but still don’t understand it or why it’s relevant?

I also don’t understand why a lim is necessarily bad since it’s not mlimlo?

If we can’t find scum than maybe but otherwise, don’t get it.

[Wednesday Addams]

Feeling somewhat reassured on furtive now.

[Wednesday Addams]

Yeah, unless it’s milo, there’s no reason to give scum the advantage right now.

Kaito, can you give us some reads?

[Wednesday Addams]

Here's the wall. In nice spoiler so that it won't fill the screen.

Spoiler: Wednesday

I will ignore posts I don't find significant.
118: I agree with Wednesday here that Gimli's sus on her is not really founded, in fact just posting some rvs placeholder and then disappearing is the sort of thing I'd do myself if a game were to begin while I had RL things to do -- frankly, I don't really care for the implication here that Wednesday was faking that.
That said, I'm unsure if that line of thinking is necessarily scum indicative, it is going for the easy fish though, so Wednesday's vote may be justified; it is however a somewhat agressive post (yes, I used that adjective myself this time).
As for the buddying comment, well I also saw it as already remarked, but people seem to think it was just a joke and I can get behind that, I just don't think it was a good joke.

133: I don't necessarily agree that switching votes rapidly during D1 is very scum indicative. If anything reveals some fluidity that I believe could more easily come from town. And I don't think that Gimli is "making votes for the sake of it", his votes are justified (even if, indeed, flimsily). I think this post is +scum actually.

146: that's fine, but I think asking to motivate a sus read on oneself is more likely to come from groupscum (I have no data on this, this is just based on my forma mentis. If anyone has data to back off the converse, I'll gadly hear it). So half +scum.

148: I actually like this interaction. The unvote seems to corroborate that Wednesday actually espouses the view in #133, as #142 does indeed alleviate the perception she had that Gimli's vote were just random. +town

149: whatever. The explanation is sound, and I also agree to the distaste of Gimli's vote for her, but I won't give her town cred for this.

176: see, this is a pretty inconsequential friendly banter. However, I point that out because post #127 is also inconsequential banter, and their both with STD. At this point I don't think it's consequential, but notice how STD was actually the only player Wednesday approached to in this manner (excluding quoting NM's read list, but then again lots of people, myself included, did that at some point).

total: 0.5+scum

Spoiler: STD

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Penguin

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

Spoiler: Penguin

Spoiler: furtive

9: I actually read this as null. I guess it could be beneficial to town to start analysing mech early, though this one remark is pretty shallow and quite trivial, so a scum could have easily made it without really hurting anything.

13: this I like... a bit less, since he was the one to start doing setup spec. I'm giving it +0.25scum for that, though the awkward thing is that I actually agree with the suggestion here.

15: eh, that explanation does not actually completely alleviate the uneasiness.

21: this is a bit brazen, I actually don't hate it. At the very least is not panicky. Let's say +0.25town.

30: same thing as for #9; it's all well and good we know that, but the utility is so little that a scum could have easily made this observation without hurting anything. I'm not gonna give town cred for that.
About the Wednesday jokes, I do believe he just meant he didn't like those as jokes, at least as of 40, so whatever

117: about PP, I don't like doing meta, maybe when I'll have the will I'll check the veracity, though I do appreciate the comment.
I'm not 100% sure I do like the Gimli comment though, in a way it's, somewhat ironically, a bit surface level. Now I like that furtive is sharing some early reads, and I'm giving some town cred for that, but that's not really enough effort for me to give much. +0.5town

129--138: meta, meta, meta. I don't know meta.

151, 158: I don't care much for the assumption that Wednesday's vote would look particularly bad after town!Gimli flips; it is true that Wednesday was tunnelly and all, but to say that would implicate that Wednesday is probably not town if Gimli is is a lot of a stretch. I also don't care about the need to comment on the optics of what will happen when Gimli flips town, I of course get that it was just an argumentative hypothesis, it's just that sussing Wednesday on the fact that she would be sus assuming the veracity of a particular hypothesis sound off. +0.75scum, not a full +scum because I liked #151 in isolation.

199: eh, may be a decent attempt to get some interactions. +0.25town

205: That's bantery. May mean nothing though.

Spoiler: Gimli

6: I though it could be buddying, but people seem to think it's just a joke and whatever, I can manage to see it being that.

22, 23: that's well and good, but, like, why? +0.25scum
(also, I noted Gimli did call Fuyuhiko as huyuhiko a couple times. Is this just a typo or there is some lore reason to it, just curios)

28: I am willing to concede this may just be a late RVS vote and go on.

39: okay, but again, why exactly is that? Like, am I wrong in getting so upset about this? +0.5scum

46: eh, I actually do like this post. It's attempting to call out furtive on backpedaling, though I'm not convinced he was in the first place. Still, +0.25town.

56, 59: the TRs are fine. I'm unsure how I should thik about being defended like this though, I'm always a bit paranoid it may be buddying. Whatever, +0.25town.

63, 64: inciting discussion; that's good. +0.5town

87, 100: idk, lots of TRs. The STD things is probably a joke, but a bit distasteful to me, though I'll leave this at null.

116: it's a bit of a stretch alright. She may have had RL issues or whatnot, I feel like discounting this may be the case is slightly rude, but more to the point is slightly going for the easy target. +0.25scum, but I'm not sure on this.

122--124: uh. What. +0.25scum

142: the explanation makes sense. +0.25town

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Kokichi

33, 37: this to me seems a towny thing to do. I suppose it's possible for scum to do that to throw some easy shade, but also I don't think it would be effective at all. On the other hand, a Townie is either genuine, and so the vote is fine and also trying to see if someone else is of the same opinion to corroborate one's own is fine, or is attempting a reaction test which clearly has more utilty for town. +town.

190: this is on the same page as me thinking #38 to be slightly defensive. Kokichi here seems to be genuine, +0.25town

196: yeah, that line of reasoning is... flimsy at best. Though they're right that it would have taken us out of RVS, and doing so I believe is protown. I'm not giving extra town cred for this post in itself, since it was after the fact.

total: 1.25+town

Spoiler: Saihara

49: this post I like. I don't think it seemed fabricated concern, and it was good to initiate the game proper. +town

95--103: It was not a good job at convincing, but wathever.

total: 1+town
In all manners, my previously stated TR on Saihara stands.

Spoiler: Kyoko

50: I have already answered to the content of this post, and made clear my opinions on it. I want to say that, however, that some of the criticism in my original 78 are clearly resolved by 80, which does clear a lot of the doubts I had on her. With that, #50 does seem actual effort to scumhunt, so +town.

104: I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the embedded picture. Not reading anything wrong into it, I'm just genuinely unsure.

112: eh, that's good. Well, I don't agree completely, though this is a pretty lucid explanation that I don't see scum making. +0.5town.

total: 1.5+town

Spoiler: Fuyuhiko

14--18: eh, a little quick to draw conclusions, but not completely unreasonable. +0.25town

145: ok. Don't think it's an AI thing to say though.

149 (I also believe 152 ties to this): since you're not the first to ask, I was under the impression that a FoS was just a way to signal willingness to vote a spot one find suspicious -- and so that a vote is no longer a FoS, since you already acted on that willingness. From what I'm understanding from here, I probably understood that wrong.

154: that's actually a reasonable question, though my judgment of Kaito may be clouded, since most of the things they said tie to me. +0.25town

156: why? It does come across as a bit brisky, I'll admit that.

164: as I said, I don't think gut reads are necessarily scummy. And the tone here seems a bit sarcastic to me, which I would imagine could possibly be some sort of veiled accusation. +0.25scum (but I'm not the best at reading tone...)

172: is this remark somewhat offhanded or what? I don't get if it sais that they're reading Gimli as town for that post, or sarcastically that they find all their other post so scummy that that one is the towniest.

178: this actually shows coerency with #156 and #164, so I'm gonna put it down as a bit townie-looking. +0.25town

total: 0.5+town

Spoiler: others

• Kaito is mostly talking about me and others' interactions with me, so it would be difficult for me to comment on them. I don't have actual reasons to scumread them at the moment, and in fact
  I do like the fact they're not hard TRing me
  and are in fact willing to entertain Kyoko's points, like in #108.
  
• Not_Mafia is just null. I don't think that the fact they put themself on the bottom does necessarily mean the list is trash, I think it's just memey. I also don't think the list is of much value, looks like is there mostly as joke anyway.

This list doesn’t look great for either Kaito or Maki. Maki is left out completely but the Kaito read is strange. He seems to like Kaito but fails to give him any kind of rating.

What strikes me as bizarre was bianco saying he really liked that Kaito wasn’t “hard townreading [him]”. but like why would he even have that thought since I don’t think Kaito had even given any reads at this point but will cross check, just to make sure.

[Wednesday Addams]

Here is my spin on bianco:

They seem like a person who is putting a lot of effort in. That's not a bad thing, just an observation. Their post 48 seemed like they were saying whatever came to their mind to me.

Post 49 by Saihara Shuichi takes issue with that by pointing out that they aren't saying much, but I think that is just a side effect of writing out their thoughts at the time.

I disagree with post 50 by Kyoko Kirigiri. Specifically, the assertion that post 48 was putting events in the way bianco wanted them; I'm not seeing that, and I don't think shading people is inherently suspicious

Okay, here’s Kaito’s bianco read.

[Wednesday Addams]

Here's the wall. In nice spoiler so that it won't fill the screen.

Spoiler: Wednesday

I will ignore posts I don't find significant.
118: I agree with Wednesday here that Gimli's sus on her is not really founded, in fact just posting some rvs placeholder and then disappearing is the sort of thing I'd do myself if a game were to begin while I had RL things to do -- frankly, I don't really care for the implication here that Wednesday was faking that.
That said, I'm unsure if that line of thinking is necessarily scum indicative, it is going for the easy fish though, so Wednesday's vote may be justified; it is however a somewhat agressive post (yes, I used that adjective myself this time).
As for the buddying comment, well I also saw it as already remarked, but people seem to think it was just a joke and I can get behind that, I just don't think it was a good joke.

133: I don't necessarily agree that switching votes rapidly during D1 is very scum indicative. If anything reveals some fluidity that I believe could more easily come from town. And I don't think that Gimli is "making votes for the sake of it", his votes are justified (even if, indeed, flimsily). I think this post is +scum actually.

146: that's fine, but I think asking to motivate a sus read on oneself is more likely to come from groupscum (I have no data on this, this is just based on my forma mentis. If anyone has data to back off the converse, I'll gadly hear it). So half +scum.

148: I actually like this interaction. The unvote seems to corroborate that Wednesday actually espouses the view in #133, as #142 does indeed alleviate the perception she had that Gimli's vote were just random. +town

149: whatever. The explanation is sound, and I also agree to the distaste of Gimli's vote for her, but I won't give her town cred for this.

176: see, this is a pretty inconsequential friendly banter. However, I point that out because post #127 is also inconsequential banter, and their both with STD. At this point I don't think it's consequential, but notice how STD was actually the only player Wednesday approached to in this manner (excluding quoting NM's read list, but then again lots of people, myself included, did that at some point).

total: 0.5+scum

Spoiler: STD

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Penguin

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

Spoiler: Penguin

Spoiler: furtive

9: I actually read this as null. I guess it could be beneficial to town to start analysing mech early, though this one remark is pretty shallow and quite trivial, so a scum could have easily made it without really hurting anything.

13: this I like... a bit less, since he was the one to start doing setup spec. I'm giving it +0.25scum for that, though the awkward thing is that I actually agree with the suggestion here.

15: eh, that explanation does not actually completely alleviate the uneasiness.

21: this is a bit brazen, I actually don't hate it. At the very least is not panicky. Let's say +0.25town.

30: same thing as for #9; it's all well and good we know that, but the utility is so little that a scum could have easily made this observation without hurting anything. I'm not gonna give town cred for that.
About the Wednesday jokes, I do believe he just meant he didn't like those as jokes, at least as of 40, so whatever

117: about PP, I don't like doing meta, maybe when I'll have the will I'll check the veracity, though I do appreciate the comment.
I'm not 100% sure I do like the Gimli comment though, in a way it's, somewhat ironically, a bit surface level. Now I like that furtive is sharing some early reads, and I'm giving some town cred for that, but that's not really enough effort for me to give much. +0.5town

129--138: meta, meta, meta. I don't know meta.

151, 158: I don't care much for the assumption that Wednesday's vote would look particularly bad after town!Gimli flips; it is true that Wednesday was tunnelly and all, but to say that would implicate that Wednesday is probably not town if Gimli is is a lot of a stretch. I also don't care about the need to comment on the optics of what will happen when Gimli flips town, I of course get that it was just an argumentative hypothesis, it's just that sussing Wednesday on the fact that she would be sus assuming the veracity of a particular hypothesis sound off. +0.75scum, not a full +scum because I liked #151 in isolation.

199: eh, may be a decent attempt to get some interactions. +0.25town

205: That's bantery. May mean nothing though.

Spoiler: Gimli

6: I though it could be buddying, but people seem to think it's just a joke and whatever, I can manage to see it being that.

22, 23: that's well and good, but, like, why? +0.25scum
(also, I noted Gimli did call Fuyuhiko as huyuhiko a couple times. Is this just a typo or there is some lore reason to it, just curios)

28: I am willing to concede this may just be a late RVS vote and go on.

39: okay, but again, why exactly is that? Like, am I wrong in getting so upset about this? +0.5scum

46: eh, I actually do like this post. It's attempting to call out furtive on backpedaling, though I'm not convinced he was in the first place. Still, +0.25town.

56, 59: the TRs are fine. I'm unsure how I should thik about being defended like this though, I'm always a bit paranoid it may be buddying. Whatever, +0.25town.

63, 64: inciting discussion; that's good. +0.5town

87, 100: idk, lots of TRs. The STD things is probably a joke, but a bit distasteful to me, though I'll leave this at null.

116: it's a bit of a stretch alright. She may have had RL issues or whatnot, I feel like discounting this may be the case is slightly rude, but more to the point is slightly going for the easy target. +0.25scum, but I'm not sure on this.

122--124: uh. What. +0.25scum

142: the explanation makes sense. +0.25town

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Kokichi

33, 37: this to me seems a towny thing to do. I suppose it's possible for scum to do that to throw some easy shade, but also I don't think it would be effective at all. On the other hand, a Townie is either genuine, and so the vote is fine and also trying to see if someone else is of the same opinion to corroborate one's own is fine, or is attempting a reaction test which clearly has more utilty for town. +town.

190: this is on the same page as me thinking #38 to be slightly defensive. Kokichi here seems to be genuine, +0.25town

196: yeah, that line of reasoning is... flimsy at best. Though they're right that it would have taken us out of RVS, and doing so I believe is protown. I'm not giving extra town cred for this post in itself, since it was after the fact.

total: 1.25+town

Spoiler: Saihara

49: this post I like. I don't think it seemed fabricated concern, and it was good to initiate the game proper. +town

95--103: It was not a good job at convincing, but wathever.

total: 1+town
In all manners, my previously stated TR on Saihara stands.

Spoiler: Kyoko

50: I have already answered to the content of this post, and made clear my opinions on it. I want to say that, however, that some of the criticism in my original 78 are clearly resolved by 80, which does clear a lot of the doubts I had on her. With that, #50 does seem actual effort to scumhunt, so +town.

104: I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the embedded picture. Not reading anything wrong into it, I'm just genuinely unsure.

112: eh, that's good. Well, I don't agree completely, though this is a pretty lucid explanation that I don't see scum making. +0.5town.

total: 1.5+town

Spoiler: Fuyuhiko

14--18: eh, a little quick to draw conclusions, but not completely unreasonable. +0.25town

145: ok. Don't think it's an AI thing to say though.

149 (I also believe 152 ties to this): since you're not the first to ask, I was under the impression that a FoS was just a way to signal willingness to vote a spot one find suspicious -- and so that a vote is no longer a FoS, since you already acted on that willingness. From what I'm understanding from here, I probably understood that wrong.

154: that's actually a reasonable question, though my judgment of Kaito may be clouded, since most of the things they said tie to me. +0.25town

156: why? It does come across as a bit brisky, I'll admit that.

164: as I said, I don't think gut reads are necessarily scummy. And the tone here seems a bit sarcastic to me, which I would imagine could possibly be some sort of veiled accusation. +0.25scum (but I'm not the best at reading tone...)

172: is this remark somewhat offhanded or what? I don't get if it sais that they're reading Gimli as town for that post, or sarcastically that they find all their other post so scummy that that one is the towniest.

178: this actually shows coerency with #156 and #164, so I'm gonna put it down as a bit townie-looking. +0.25town

total: 0.5+town

Spoiler: others

• Kaito is mostly talking about me and others' interactions with me, so it would be difficult for me to comment on them. I don't have actual reasons to scumread them at the moment, and in fact I do like the fact they're not hard TRing me and are in fact willing to entertain Kyoko's points, like in #108.
  
• Not_Mafia is just null. I don't think that the fact they put themself on the bottom does necessarily mean the list is trash, I think it's just memey. I also don't think the list is of much value, looks like is there mostly as joke anyway.

There is a lot of thought put into this post, and it seems genuine

More praise for bianco.

[Wednesday Addams]

just some fast surface level - skimming - reads
I actually like gimli's way of engaging with people and making content, I feel he has a progressive mindset and is actually trying to solve in a genuine way (call it mostly gut)
I like biancospino more. I think what he did on that first post aligns well with rest of his play style (and specially how he organized that wall) and I find his consistency in his way of sorting things + town
I didn't like Wednesday posts. felt so shallow and on surface and didn't have any analyzing, just for sake of engaging. wanna see were it leads

maki not liking my going hard on biancospino in an attempt to start actual discussions and provoke reactions is an interesting reaction cause its against the flow of reactions that are about it in-game thread. I say interesting cause its probably + towny behavior but need to analyze it along size more clues to be able to brand it as towny or null.

I have some ideas in general about most other slots too, but I'm too tired right now as I had the toughest past 2 days ever and am sleepy right now

I like this post and have also been liking Bianco recently

Kaito didn't acknowledge these votes in their most recent appearance. Granted I didn't make a case so there wasn't much to respond to, but it's weird they didn't even comment on it.

I'm just lazy/busy doing other stuff. I saw that people were voting for me, likely for being low effort, nothing much for me to comment on without

Browbeating isn’t exactly a scumtell, it’s just a behavioral pattern. I liked Dragons pointing it out because I had also been rather perturbed by the stern reaction to my question about the townblock. I also think his saying you didn’t give a fuck who is scum was reading into your post to see something that wasn’t there, but it also might still hold a kernel of truth given your apparent lack of interest in finding scum outside the players currently suspecting you.
And I don’t understand why you place such value on Maki’s reads. Seems meta-related, which raises a question of why you’re so concerned about staying secret whilst not really caring to veil your own meta usage.

VOTE: Wednesday Addams
Thinking about it I might still be on Dragons so I’ll vote here to rectify that.

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

This push feels like it comes from town because it pushes on somebody who is likely to suspect them in return for doing so, and a few people have voiced suspicions on Fuyuhiko already

Okay, probably an exercise in futility since the only thing actually suspicious is coming from bianco and not Kaito.

I still think it’s weird that he never gave Kaito any rating.

[Wednesday Addams]

Kaito, can you give us some reads?

Town: Kyoko, Kokichi, Wednesday, Gimli, Furtive
Less sure: Penguinpower, Save the Dragons
Possible mafia: Fuyuhiko, Maki

Don’t hate this but it’s also a pretty much consensus readslist. Kaito why do I still have you as a dead null?

You are currently my weakest read and unless either you do something to change my mind or someone does something to make my want to vote them, I’m currently leaning to voting you.

[Wednesday Addams]

Here's the wall. In nice spoiler so that it won't fill the screen.

Spoiler: Wednesday

I will ignore posts I don't find significant.
118: I agree with Wednesday here that Gimli's sus on her is not really founded, in fact just posting some rvs placeholder and then disappearing is the sort of thing I'd do myself if a game were to begin while I had RL things to do -- frankly, I don't really care for the implication here that Wednesday was faking that.
That said, I'm unsure if that line of thinking is necessarily scum indicative, it is going for the easy fish though, so Wednesday's vote may be justified; it is however a somewhat agressive post (yes, I used that adjective myself this time).
As for the buddying comment, well I also saw it as already remarked, but people seem to think it was just a joke and I can get behind that, I just don't think it was a good joke.

133: I don't necessarily agree that switching votes rapidly during D1 is very scum indicative. If anything reveals some fluidity that I believe could more easily come from town. And I don't think that Gimli is "making votes for the sake of it", his votes are justified (even if, indeed, flimsily). I think this post is +scum actually.

146: that's fine, but I think asking to motivate a sus read on oneself is more likely to come from groupscum (I have no data on this, this is just based on my forma mentis. If anyone has data to back off the converse, I'll gadly hear it). So half +scum.

148: I actually like this interaction. The unvote seems to corroborate that Wednesday actually espouses the view in #133, as #142 does indeed alleviate the perception she had that Gimli's vote were just random. +town

149: whatever. The explanation is sound, and I also agree to the distaste of Gimli's vote for her, but I won't give her town cred for this.

176: see, this is a pretty inconsequential friendly banter. However, I point that out because post #127 is also inconsequential banter, and their both with STD. At this point I don't think it's consequential, but notice how STD was actually the only player Wednesday approached to in this manner (excluding quoting NM's read list, but then again lots of people, myself included, did that at some point).

total: 0.5+scum

Spoiler: STD

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Penguin

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

Spoiler: Penguin

Spoiler: furtive

9: I actually read this as null. I guess it could be beneficial to town to start analysing mech early, though this one remark is pretty shallow and quite trivial, so a scum could have easily made it without really hurting anything.

13: this I like... a bit less, since he was the one to start doing setup spec. I'm giving it +0.25scum for that, though the awkward thing is that I actually agree with the suggestion here.

15: eh, that explanation does not actually completely alleviate the uneasiness.

21: this is a bit brazen, I actually don't hate it. At the very least is not panicky. Let's say +0.25town.

30: same thing as for #9; it's all well and good we know that, but the utility is so little that a scum could have easily made this observation without hurting anything. I'm not gonna give town cred for that.
About the Wednesday jokes, I do believe he just meant he didn't like those as jokes, at least as of 40, so whatever

117: about PP, I don't like doing meta, maybe when I'll have the will I'll check the veracity, though I do appreciate the comment.
I'm not 100% sure I do like the Gimli comment though, in a way it's, somewhat ironically, a bit surface level. Now I like that furtive is sharing some early reads, and I'm giving some town cred for that, but that's not really enough effort for me to give much. +0.5town

129--138: meta, meta, meta. I don't know meta.

151, 158: I don't care much for the assumption that Wednesday's vote would look particularly bad after town!Gimli flips; it is true that Wednesday was tunnelly and all, but to say that would implicate that Wednesday is probably not town if Gimli is is a lot of a stretch. I also don't care about the need to comment on the optics of what will happen when Gimli flips town, I of course get that it was just an argumentative hypothesis, it's just that sussing Wednesday on the fact that she would be sus assuming the veracity of a particular hypothesis sound off. +0.75scum, not a full +scum because I liked #151 in isolation.

199: eh, may be a decent attempt to get some interactions. +0.25town

205: That's bantery. May mean nothing though.

Spoiler: Gimli

6: I though it could be buddying, but people seem to think it's just a joke and whatever, I can manage to see it being that.

22, 23: that's well and good, but, like, why? +0.25scum
(also, I noted Gimli did call Fuyuhiko as huyuhiko a couple times. Is this just a typo or there is some lore reason to it, just curios)

28: I am willing to concede this may just be a late RVS vote and go on.

39: okay, but again, why exactly is that? Like, am I wrong in getting so upset about this? +0.5scum

46: eh, I actually do like this post. It's attempting to call out furtive on backpedaling, though I'm not convinced he was in the first place. Still, +0.25town.

56, 59: the TRs are fine. I'm unsure how I should thik about being defended like this though, I'm always a bit paranoid it may be buddying. Whatever, +0.25town.

63, 64: inciting discussion; that's good. +0.5town

87, 100: idk, lots of TRs. The STD things is probably a joke, but a bit distasteful to me, though I'll leave this at null.

116: it's a bit of a stretch alright. She may have had RL issues or whatnot, I feel like discounting this may be the case is slightly rude, but more to the point is slightly going for the easy target. +0.25scum, but I'm not sure on this.

122--124: uh. What. +0.25scum

142: the explanation makes sense. +0.25town

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Kokichi

33, 37: this to me seems a towny thing to do. I suppose it's possible for scum to do that to throw some easy shade, but also I don't think it would be effective at all. On the other hand, a Townie is either genuine, and so the vote is fine and also trying to see if someone else is of the same opinion to corroborate one's own is fine, or is attempting a reaction test which clearly has more utilty for town. +town.

190: this is on the same page as me thinking #38 to be slightly defensive. Kokichi here seems to be genuine, +0.25town

196: yeah, that line of reasoning is... flimsy at best. Though they're right that it would have taken us out of RVS, and doing so I believe is protown. I'm not giving extra town cred for this post in itself, since it was after the fact.

total: 1.25+town

Spoiler: Saihara

49: this post I like. I don't think it seemed fabricated concern, and it was good to initiate the game proper. +town

95--103: It was not a good job at convincing, but wathever.

total: 1+town
In all manners, my previously stated TR on Saihara stands.

Spoiler: Kyoko

50: I have already answered to the content of this post, and made clear my opinions on it. I want to say that, however, that some of the criticism in my original 78 are clearly resolved by 80, which does clear a lot of the doubts I had on her. With that, #50 does seem actual effort to scumhunt, so +town.

104: I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the embedded picture. Not reading anything wrong into it, I'm just genuinely unsure.

112: eh, that's good. Well, I don't agree completely, though this is a pretty lucid explanation that I don't see scum making. +0.5town.

total: 1.5+town

Spoiler: Fuyuhiko

14--18: eh, a little quick to draw conclusions, but not completely unreasonable. +0.25town

145: ok. Don't think it's an AI thing to say though.

149 (I also believe 152 ties to this): since you're not the first to ask, I was under the impression that a FoS was just a way to signal willingness to vote a spot one find suspicious -- and so that a vote is no longer a FoS, since you already acted on that willingness. From what I'm understanding from here, I probably understood that wrong.

154: that's actually a reasonable question, though my judgment of Kaito may be clouded, since most of the things they said tie to me. +0.25town

156: why? It does come across as a bit brisky, I'll admit that.

164: as I said, I don't think gut reads are necessarily scummy. And the tone here seems a bit sarcastic to me, which I would imagine could possibly be some sort of veiled accusation. +0.25scum (but I'm not the best at reading tone...)

172: is this remark somewhat offhanded or what? I don't get if it sais that they're reading Gimli as town for that post, or sarcastically that they find all their other post so scummy that that one is the towniest.

178: this actually shows coerency with #156 and #164, so I'm gonna put it down as a bit townie-looking. +0.25town

total: 0.5+town

Spoiler: others

• Kaito is mostly talking about me and others' interactions with me, so it would be difficult for me to comment on them. I don't have actual reasons to scumread them at the moment, and in fact
  I do like the fact they're not hard TRing me
  and are in fact willing to entertain Kyoko's points, like in #108.
  
• Not_Mafia is just null. I don't think that the fact they put themself on the bottom does necessarily mean the list is trash, I think it's just memey. I also don't think the list is of much value, looks like is there mostly as joke anyway.

This list doesn’t look great for either Kaito or Maki. Maki is left out completely but the Kaito read is strange. He seems to like Kaito but fails to give him any kind of rating.

What strikes me as bizarre was bianco saying he really liked that Kaito wasn’t “hard townreading [him]”. but like why would he even have that thought since I don’t think Kaito had even given any reads at this point but will cross check, just to make sure.

that probably does make them more likely to be aligned. it's weirdly constructed like he was somehow too aware of kaito when writing about him, even though he left both him and his other team mate as footnotes on his big MQ.

I suppose no one would think anything about him giving NM no rating since NM did absolutely nothing. And although Kaito’s readlist is fine, town!him is far more likely to give reads unprompted and much earlier and he only really focussed on the players who were scumreading bianco pretty much: Suichi and Kyoko.

Kaito’s usually more agressive in scumhunting based on that other game he was in.

[Wednesday Addams]

viewtopic.php?t=73745

Found this link and Maki, Kokichi and Kaito were all in this game. Kaito was scum and Maki, Kokichi town.

I’ll also look up a towngame.

[Wednesday Addams]

viewtopic.php?t=73745

Found this link and Maki, Kokichi and Kaito were all in this game. Kaito was scum and Maki, Kokichi town.

I’ll also look up a towngame.

viewtopic.php?t=73937

Here’s a game with Kaito!town and Maki!scum for comparison.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think we can assume Gimli, Wednesday, Fuyu, Kyoko and Kokichi are all town

Based on what?

So Kaito’s only doubting Kuzo based on his readslist.

[Wednesday Addams]

Here's the wall. In nice spoiler so that it won't fill the screen.

Spoiler: Wednesday

I will ignore posts I don't find significant.
118: I agree with Wednesday here that Gimli's sus on her is not really founded, in fact just posting some rvs placeholder and then disappearing is the sort of thing I'd do myself if a game were to begin while I had RL things to do -- frankly, I don't really care for the implication here that Wednesday was faking that.
That said, I'm unsure if that line of thinking is necessarily scum indicative, it is going for the easy fish though, so Wednesday's vote may be justified; it is however a somewhat agressive post (yes, I used that adjective myself this time).
As for the buddying comment, well I also saw it as already remarked, but people seem to think it was just a joke and I can get behind that, I just don't think it was a good joke.

133: I don't necessarily agree that switching votes rapidly during D1 is very scum indicative. If anything reveals some fluidity that I believe could more easily come from town. And I don't think that Gimli is "making votes for the sake of it", his votes are justified (even if, indeed, flimsily). I think this post is +scum actually.

146: that's fine, but I think asking to motivate a sus read on oneself is more likely to come from groupscum (I have no data on this, this is just based on my forma mentis. If anyone has data to back off the converse, I'll gadly hear it). So half +scum.

148: I actually like this interaction. The unvote seems to corroborate that Wednesday actually espouses the view in #133, as #142 does indeed alleviate the perception she had that Gimli's vote were just random. +town

149: whatever. The explanation is sound, and I also agree to the distaste of Gimli's vote for her, but I won't give her town cred for this.

176: see, this is a pretty inconsequential friendly banter. However, I point that out because post #127 is also inconsequential banter, and their both with STD. At this point I don't think it's consequential, but notice how STD was actually the only player Wednesday approached to in this manner (excluding quoting NM's read list, but then again lots of people, myself included, did that at some point).

total: 0.5+scum

Spoiler: STD

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Penguin

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

Spoiler: Penguin

Spoiler: furtive

9: I actually read this as null. I guess it could be beneficial to town to start analysing mech early, though this one remark is pretty shallow and quite trivial, so a scum could have easily made it without really hurting anything.

13: this I like... a bit less, since he was the one to start doing setup spec. I'm giving it +0.25scum for that, though the awkward thing is that I actually agree with the suggestion here.

15: eh, that explanation does not actually completely alleviate the uneasiness.

21: this is a bit brazen, I actually don't hate it. At the very least is not panicky. Let's say +0.25town.

30: same thing as for #9; it's all well and good we know that, but the utility is so little that a scum could have easily made this observation without hurting anything. I'm not gonna give town cred for that.
About the Wednesday jokes, I do believe he just meant he didn't like those as jokes, at least as of 40, so whatever

117: about PP, I don't like doing meta, maybe when I'll have the will I'll check the veracity, though I do appreciate the comment.
I'm not 100% sure I do like the Gimli comment though, in a way it's, somewhat ironically, a bit surface level. Now I like that furtive is sharing some early reads, and I'm giving some town cred for that, but that's not really enough effort for me to give much. +0.5town

129--138: meta, meta, meta. I don't know meta.

151, 158: I don't care much for the assumption that Wednesday's vote would look particularly bad after town!Gimli flips; it is true that Wednesday was tunnelly and all, but to say that would implicate that Wednesday is probably not town if Gimli is is a lot of a stretch. I also don't care about the need to comment on the optics of what will happen when Gimli flips town, I of course get that it was just an argumentative hypothesis, it's just that sussing Wednesday on the fact that she would be sus assuming the veracity of a particular hypothesis sound off. +0.75scum, not a full +scum because I liked #151 in isolation.

199: eh, may be a decent attempt to get some interactions. +0.25town

205: That's bantery. May mean nothing though.

Spoiler: Gimli

6: I though it could be buddying, but people seem to think it's just a joke and whatever, I can manage to see it being that.

22, 23: that's well and good, but, like, why? +0.25scum
(also, I noted Gimli did call Fuyuhiko as huyuhiko a couple times. Is this just a typo or there is some lore reason to it, just curios)

28: I am willing to concede this may just be a late RVS vote and go on.

39: okay, but again, why exactly is that? Like, am I wrong in getting so upset about this? +0.5scum

46: eh, I actually do like this post. It's attempting to call out furtive on backpedaling, though I'm not convinced he was in the first place. Still, +0.25town.

56, 59: the TRs are fine. I'm unsure how I should thik about being defended like this though, I'm always a bit paranoid it may be buddying. Whatever, +0.25town.

63, 64: inciting discussion; that's good. +0.5town

87, 100: idk, lots of TRs. The STD things is probably a joke, but a bit distasteful to me, though I'll leave this at null.

116: it's a bit of a stretch alright. She may have had RL issues or whatnot, I feel like discounting this may be the case is slightly rude, but more to the point is slightly going for the easy target. +0.25scum, but I'm not sure on this.

122--124: uh. What. +0.25scum

142: the explanation makes sense. +0.25town

total: 0.75+scum

Spoiler: Kokichi

33, 37: this to me seems a towny thing to do. I suppose it's possible for scum to do that to throw some easy shade, but also I don't think it would be effective at all. On the other hand, a Townie is either genuine, and so the vote is fine and also trying to see if someone else is of the same opinion to corroborate one's own is fine, or is attempting a reaction test which clearly has more utilty for town. +town.

190: this is on the same page as me thinking #38 to be slightly defensive. Kokichi here seems to be genuine, +0.25town

196: yeah, that line of reasoning is... flimsy at best. Though they're right that it would have taken us out of RVS, and doing so I believe is protown. I'm not giving extra town cred for this post in itself, since it was after the fact.

total: 1.25+town

Spoiler: Saihara

49: this post I like. I don't think it seemed fabricated concern, and it was good to initiate the game proper. +town

95--103: It was not a good job at convincing, but wathever.

total: 1+town
In all manners, my previously stated TR on Saihara stands.

Spoiler: Kyoko

50: I have already answered to the content of this post, and made clear my opinions on it. I want to say that, however, that some of the criticism in my original 78 are clearly resolved by 80, which does clear a lot of the doubts I had on her. With that, #50 does seem actual effort to scumhunt, so +town.

104: I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the embedded picture. Not reading anything wrong into it, I'm just genuinely unsure.

112: eh, that's good. Well, I don't agree completely, though this is a pretty lucid explanation that I don't see scum making. +0.5town.

total: 1.5+town

Spoiler: Fuyuhiko

14--18: eh, a little quick to draw conclusions, but not completely unreasonable. +0.25town

145: ok. Don't think it's an AI thing to say though.

149 (I also believe 152 ties to this): since you're not the first to ask, I was under the impression that a FoS was just a way to signal willingness to vote a spot one find suspicious -- and so that a vote is no longer a FoS, since you already acted on that willingness. From what I'm understanding from here, I probably understood that wrong.

154: that's actually a reasonable question, though my judgment of Kaito may be clouded, since most of the things they said tie to me. +0.25town

156: why? It does come across as a bit brisky, I'll admit that.

164: as I said, I don't think gut reads are necessarily scummy. And the tone here seems a bit sarcastic to me, which I would imagine could possibly be some sort of veiled accusation. +0.25scum (but I'm not the best at reading tone...)

172: is this remark somewhat offhanded or what? I don't get if it sais that they're reading Gimli as town for that post, or sarcastically that they find all their other post so scummy that that one is the towniest.

178: this actually shows coerency with #156 and #164, so I'm gonna put it down as a bit townie-looking. +0.25town

total: 0.5+town

Spoiler: others

• Kaito is mostly talking about me and others' interactions with me, so it would be difficult for me to comment on them. I don't have actual reasons to scumread them at the moment, and in fact
  I do like the fact they're not hard TRing me
  and are in fact willing to entertain Kyoko's points, like in #108.
  
• Not_Mafia is just null. I don't think that the fact they put themself on the bottom does necessarily mean the list is trash, I think it's just memey. I also don't think the list is of much value, looks like is there mostly as joke anyway.

This list doesn’t look great for either Kaito or Maki. Maki is left out completely but the Kaito read is strange. He seems to like Kaito but fails to give him any kind of rating.

What strikes me as bizarre was bianco saying he really liked that Kaito wasn’t “hard townreading [him]”. but like why would he even have that thought since I don’t think Kaito had even given any reads at this point but will cross check, just to make sure.

that probably does make them more likely to be aligned. it's weirdly constructed like he was somehow too aware of kaito when writing about him, even though he left both him and his other team mate as footnotes on his big MQ.

If bianco really put both their teammates as 'others', that's cold. What can you expect from undead I guess

NM though would be understandable since he did absolutely nothing other than make a highly entertaining readslist.

[Wednesday Addams]

What happened to spoiler tags?

Use [ spoiler = ] NOT [ spoiler minus the equal symbol ]

[Wednesday Addams]

Anyhow ISOing Maki in that scumgame of hers makes me feel better about her anyway.

[Wednesday Addams]

Spoiler: testing

What happened to spoiler tags?

Use [ spoiler = ] NOT [ spoiler minus the equal symbol ]

Spoiler: If there's one player that the group consensus isn't suspicious of but I'm secretly paranoid about, it's:

made you look

Spoiler:

made you look needs to die asap

[Wednesday Addams]

Villager - 0pts (Vanilla townie, default)
Priest - 3pts (Cop, 25%)
Witch Hunter - 2pts (JOAT with 1-shot cop, vig, and tracker, 20%)
Sorceress - 3pts (Vigilante, 15%)
Enchantress - 1pt (Custom rolestopper, 10%)
Healer - 2pts (Doctor, 10%)
Angel - 2pts (Custom vengeful, 10%)
Trickster - 1pt (Non-consecutive commuter, 10%)

So village has 6 pts and we know Suichi accounted for 2 of them. Kuzo claimed a green check on Maki, so if true, he’s either another witch hunter (2pts) or a cop (3pts) leaving either one or two points remaining and Maki also claimed tpr.

I agree with Kyko that Maki is likely IC. I don’t understand what scum!Kuzo really has to gain by claiming green check on Maki, when he could just sit by and let her get miselimed and 1v1 with Kaito tomorrow, plus bianco associatives point away from Kuzo and towards Kaito.

I think game probably ends with a Kaito flip.

Maki had been hardpushing Kuzo remember, so I think scum!Kuzo would be far more likely to declare an inno on a consensus townread. I just don’t see how it’s not Kaito.

[Wednesday Addams]

Oh so Kaito was capping. Fuyu has no reason to lie here

VOTE: Kaito Momota

VOTE: Kaito

Yep

[Wednesday Addams]

Also, Suichi was a joat and the witch had already flipped. so makes the most sense that they’re the one responsible for vigging NM.

[Wednesday Addams]

Also, Suichi was a joat and the witch had already flipped. so makes the most sense that they’re the one responsible for vigging NM.

Witch Hunter - 2pts (JOAT with 1-shot cop,

vig

and tracker, 20%)

[Wednesday Addams]

I’ll be upfront since I think town’s early advantage makes this an affordable choice: I have a green check on Maki.

so

suichi dead joat: 2 pts
fuyuhiko either joat or cop: 2 or 3 points
maki claimed pr: ?? points
kaito claimed joat?: 2 points.

so that's always more than 6 points.

Yep, that’s what I said.

[Wednesday Addams]

if scum only had 3 points to spare, then kaito is always the liar

either way it's today's flip

I’ll be surprised if game doesn’t end with his flip.

Kuzo innoing Maki a potential mislim makes very little sense if scum, scum!Kuzo I think would inno a consensus townread not Maki because scum don’t go out of their way to make their wincon more difficult than it needs to be. And IC!Maki claimed tpr as well, so at the most 1 pt. left at the least, none. Therefore Kaito’s most likely lying.

I love town stomps.

[Wednesday Addams]

I wish this game was more interesting than it turned out to be cause it's always good to play with friends

Yeah lots of fun roles in this setup. Zombie and banshee sound especially entertaining.

[Wednesday Addams]

I'm actual PR. This quick hammer was suspect. Clearly Kaito wasnt actually claiming PR but trying to bait kill from mafia.

I'm also a PR

Christ how many of them are there in this setup? So that would mean what that Kuzo’s joat and you Maki and you have a 1 pt each?

[Wednesday Addams]

I'm actual PR. This quick hammer was suspect. Clearly Kaito wasnt actually claiming PR but trying to bait kill from mafia.

He was going to get elimmed, how are you getting that?

[Wednesday Addams]

I think it only went wrong cause he voted maki causing fuyu to claim. Maki was likely just trying to roleswap since she's green.

I agree with Keko, think you’re wrong but if not, STD definitely has some splaining to do then but I doubt it.

And there’s also the super weird associatives between bianco and Kaito. Did you read that wall? Did you not think it weird that bianco never gave Kaito a rating despite evidently liking his posts?

[Wednesday Addams]

gimli is trolling

a twilight troller after my own heart!

Gimli is joking. I'm confused by Kokichi's claim though because it looks serious. I can see town motivation for Maki to lie if they wanted to draw the nightkill as a VT, but I still wouldn't recommend it. I'm sure we'll find out soon regardless

Oh lol, that makes way more sense then.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think it only went wrong cause he voted maki causing fuyu to claim. Maki was likely just trying to roleswap since she's green.

I agree with KYOKO, I think you’re wrong but if not, STD definitely has some splaining to do then but I doubt it.

And there’s also the super weird associatives between bianco and Kaito. Did you read that wall? Did you not think it weird that bianco never gave Kaito a rating despite evidently liking his posts?

[Wednesday Addams]

Guess we will see!

If Kaito had claimed witchhunter on d1, I could actually see your argument making sense but when your slot is getting run up and you falsely claim tpr, the first thing that comes to mind to me, isn’t trying to bait an nk.

[Wednesday Addams]

Not sure what there is to explain

Either we have a billion prs or one of them is lying

I think it's pretty clear which one of those scenarios I think we're in

I will be extremely shocked if the game doesn’t end with Kaito flip. Also Kaito agreeing with Kokichi that no lim was best then proceeds to vote Maki, another thing not making sense.

[Wednesday Addams]

@Fuyuhiko

Vig someone tonight

@Maki/Kokichi

Spellshield Fuyuhiko.

I’ll be upfront since I think town’s early advantage makes this an affordable choice: I have a green check on Maki.

If you’re on the level here, you should know that Kuzo has an inno on Maki and how do you know he can’t be priest?

[Wednesday Addams]

First.

Second

Kokichi/Maki have some 'splainin to do. 6 points of PRs are dead, so Undead must have underspent unless they're

both

lying. But for them both to be PR, scum would have had to underspend by more than one point at least, which seems really unlikely. I'm expecting a retraction here.

But Kuzo had a green check on her, so the only way Maki can be mafia is if godfather and I think that’s 3 points and bianco flipped witch=2 and nm=0, so that would make it 5.

[Wednesday Addams]

I’ll be upfront since I think town’s early advantage makes this an affordable choice: I have a green check on Maki.

maki clear
6 points from our flips + kokichi and maki are also claiming PR.

it's not important what they are RN so they don't need to claim.

I think the last wolf is either STD or pp

So Suchi joat=2 pts, Kaito=joat=2 pts, Kuzo=joat=2 pts, so + Maki/Kochich= pts?
Kokichi’s not confirmed though right?

[Wednesday Addams]

Wait you don't think the last wolf is in the claimed prs

100% never in Maki unless godfather and that would make scum have 5 pts right?

So scum has to have 3 less pts than town right?

So we know for certain town has at least 6, so if Maki’s gf, they would have to have what 2 more to 8? And no one else has claimed pr other than Maki/Kokichi right? So someone please explain the math to me, kthanx.

So Maki is either some kind of tpr or gf but math points against it being gf I think?

[Wednesday Addams]

claimed PRs: one is maki who I think is actually lying about being a PR but it does NOT matter cause she is clear.

the other is kokichi with a twilight claim. it makes no sense if he is scum.

it means scum underpicked their powers. it doesn't matter much.

Why would Maki tpr lie?

[Wednesday Addams]

The fact that only one of you that voted Kaito is mafia is mind blowing

It looked like a desperation claim to me with the other 2 claims taken into account

It was pretty obvious Maki was trying to roleswap. Which is why I tried to say unvote without actually saying it. I tried to confuse Mafia at twilight but it just wasnt gonna happen.

What do you mean by role swap?

[Wednesday Addams]

The fact that only one of you that voted Kaito is mafia is mind blowing

It looked like a desperation claim to me with the other 2 claims taken into account

It was pretty obvious Maki was trying to roleswap. Which is why I tried to say unvote without actually saying it. I tried to confuse Mafia at twilight but it just wasnt gonna happen.

wait so you're not a PR
and maki isn't a PR either
so it's indeed 6 points
let's just play mafia then, enough mech talk this is mountainous

Oh okay this makes a lot more sense.

[Wednesday Addams]

I don't see it

@Kokichi, unless the RVS banter is AI for std for some meta reason, which I don't know, that's the only post you may be referring to on page 1.
Now, Fuyuhiko's motivation for their (I presume) non-RVS vote is indeed pretty evident, so not to see it may be a little weird -- so I guess it may just be a very soft pocketing (or a very soft attempt to detract the real vote placed on his undeadbuddy, though frankly I would think doing such a thing, with that intention, barely out of RVS when there's no actual indication that relieving pressure would be necessary, has very little to no benefit and would risk outing one's buddy, so I'd be cautioned to exclude this hypotesys).

Though frankly, idk, it's not like it's so glaring that I'm convinced it's so. If we're looking at pocketing attempts, I'd even say that Gimli's joking about Wednesday is more emotionally significant to the parts involved (though, again, it may just be an interpersonal meta thing, which I wouldn't know about).

I have to things to mention regarding this post.

I don't follow the assumptions about how mentioning "Wednesday" was emotional/pocketing or in any way sus. It just was a non-game-related poke at a great username on first page of a mafia game with no game related content to discuss.

the second thing is that this post is actually filled with assumptions and no conclusions. For example in the first paragraph, you're assuming Kokichi is actually having a reason to sus STD and he is not aiming to find a reaction and make progress which is the point of RVS. Secondly you're assuming that Fuyuhiko's vote was serious. His intentions to vote is not yet clear by any means as we have to wait and see where he is going with that line of thought. secondly, you say voting for them might be a "soft pocketing". Is this based on some previous interaction between those two slots in another game? If not how you concluded that his aggressive reaction and vote is an instance of pocketing? and then you add another hypothesis and say it's to redirect attention. Why would he - assuming he is up for no good - would want to redirect people's attention away from his previous RVS vote on page 1?

All these assumptions, told out loud, don't seem to be coming up from a game-solving perspective. Its more like putting events the way you want them to be for your goal rather than finding that goal. All that being said the way you caught up on these two pages, it looks like shading and for that, I'll put my first FOS on you.

VOTE: biancospino



pedit. And I found my first town read.

IMO this is why kyoko is clear

Yeah but they voted me instead of bianco.

I don’t think Kyoko is clear. I agree with Kokichi, we shouldn’t rush this vote.

[Wednesday Addams]

Kyoko->gimli->furtive probably solves it

Don’t think it’s Gimli or furtive.

[Wednesday Addams]

the last mafia is a roleblocker. they can roleblock and kill, right?

Yeah, so I’m going to assume that Kuzo probably did correctly use their vig shot, so I think the most likely solve is to be found in their reads.

I think Kuzo did correctly use vig shot and was roleblocked. I suppose possibility of tracker but I think unlikely.

[Wednesday Addams]

biancospino (7): PenguinPower, Kaito Momota, Wednesday Addams, Save The Dragons, Gimli, Saihara Shuichi, Kokichi Oma <==HAMMER

But then he hammered bianco...

I honestly don't know

Furitive was also off that wagon entirely

Maybe you’re right Gimli. Kyoko’s probably town.

[Wednesday Addams]

we should wait for them to DIE first

VOTE: kaito

You have to admit this doesn’t look too great after Kokichi tried to slow it down.

[Wednesday Addams]

Makiiiii no more being AFK this game when coming back, you need to help figure this game out

ISOing Kuzo wasn’t helpful but knowing he had a vig and very likely used it but was most probably roleblocked, I think last scum is whomever we think Kuzo would have been most suspicious of post flip and rn STD saying he’s surprised he wasn’t shot is kind’ve pinging me because I think it’s extremely likely that Kuzo used a vig shot correctly because while it’s of course possible he used tracker not vig, I think it’s far less likely.

[Wednesday Addams]

I'll wait for Maki. She'll probably know by now

I should be town by the way I played yesterday.

And I trust her judgement to find last maf.

Please let's not elim anyone until there is more talk from everyone so we can figure this out

SHE PLAYED HORRIBLY. LIKE AWFUL. That was the worst town play I ever saw in my life in any mafia game. knowing she is hard-cleared right now makes me furious.

Your play was also horrible unless

you knew she was playing horribly

so stop being proud of your horrible play if you're town.

You all quick voted without giving Maki or Kaito time to talk again. It could have been sorted which is why I said to wait. Also trust, if you think I'm being elim'd this game, then you'd be elim'd over me.

she was chatting with me as I was explaining why her claim made him 100% scum. She could have clarified right then

kaito's elim is 100% on maki I don't care if she does this everytime

and I could not have envisioned she is actually throwing the game by fake claiming something that would mean another PR claimer is guilty. I can't understand how anyone would see that coming like you did. That was just pure horrible play and there is no other way to describe it.

Yeah have to agree with this. Both Kokichi and Maki pr claims definitely contributed to Kaito mislim because he was mislimed mainly due to math.

[Wednesday Addams]

i kind of believe kyoko today so maybe i'm wrong about her, it was mostly gut anyway due to POE so someone who's really townie is the last scum i think

back to the drawing board

No because last scum is most likely who Kuzo was most suss on and we know last scum is a roleblocker. Sure it’s possible he used tracker not vig but highly unlikely, so deep wolf is extremely unlikely here.

[Wednesday Addams]

every post by STD my mind goes 'yeah this is scum posturing'

wed you're so towny how can you be so towny

we don't know if maki misplayed or if she is PR yet

I, yeah, if we miselim today I see our towncore imploding and things getting funky. which is great cause it's no fun if it's easy <3

You know who I am and seriously ask me that?

You seriously need to read my games, if this surprises you that much.

[Wednesday Addams]

I'll wait for Maki. She'll probably know by now

I should be town by the way I played yesterday.

And I trust her judgement to find last maf.

Please let's not elim anyone until there is more talk from everyone so we can figure this out

SHE PLAYED HORRIBLY. LIKE AWFUL. That was the worst town play I ever saw in my life in any mafia game. knowing she is hard-cleared right now makes me furious.

Your play was also horrible unless

you knew she was playing horribly

so stop being proud of your horrible play if you're town.

You all quick voted without giving Maki or Kaito time to talk again. It could have been sorted which is why I said to wait. Also trust, if you think I'm being elim'd this game, then you'd be elim'd over me.

she was chatting with me as I was explaining why her claim made him 100% scum. She could have clarified right then

kaito's elim is 100% on maki I don't care if she does this everytime

and I could not have envisioned she is actually throwing the game by fake claiming something that would mean another PR claimer is guilty. I can't understand how anyone would see that coming like you did. That was just pure horrible play and there is no other way to describe it.

Yeah have to agree with this. Both Kokichi and Maki pr claims definitely contributed to Kaito mislim because he was mislimed mainly due to math.

This is false. Because I claimed PR AFTER Kaito had already been elim'd

Well Maki’s claim did for sure so Kyoko’s right about that. Maki meant well but her claim was the main reason we limmed Kaito because Kuzo confirmed her and it looked mech impossible for Kaito to have been telling the truth.

[Wednesday Addams]

i kind of believe kyoko today so maybe i'm wrong about her, it was mostly gut anyway due to POE so someone who's really townie is the last scum i think

back to the drawing board

Can you explain how you came up with this, knowing Kuzo had a vig shot and last scum is an rb?

[Wednesday Addams]

i kind of believe kyoko today so maybe i'm wrong about her, it was mostly gut anyway due to POE so someone who's really townie is the last scum i think

back to the drawing board

Can you explain how you came up with this, knowing Kuzo had a vig shot and last scum is an rb?

huh? why wouldn't the scum rb him anyway because they don't know who he's shooting at?

Do you think it’s more likely Kuzo used vig or tracker last night? Because if vig, than last scum would have to be the roleblocker and If I’m hard claimed town joat Kuzo, I 100% use the vig.

[Wednesday Addams]

i kind of believe kyoko today so maybe i'm wrong about her, it was mostly gut anyway due to POE so someone who's really townie is the last scum i think

back to the drawing board

Can you explain how you came up with this, knowing Kuzo had a vig shot and last scum is an rb?

huh? why wouldn't the scum rb him anyway because they don't know who he's shooting at?

Do you think it’s more likely Kuzo used vig or tracker last night? Because if vig, than last scum would have to be the roleblocker and If I’m hard claimed town joat Kuzo, I 100% use the vig.

Kuzo knew scum would kill him, so he doesn’t waste a tracker because it’s extremely unlikely he gets to live to give a tracker result, so logic dictates he used a vig and since no one but him died, occam’s razor says he very likely shot correctly.

[Wednesday Addams]

last scum is 100% confirmed to be a roleblocker wednesday

That’s my point. I believe Kuzo correctly used his vig shot and that’s why no one else died.

[Wednesday Addams]

i am definitely not following

Kuzo’s a joat. He already used cop on Maki. He self-outed knowing he was almost certain to be the scum nk, so why would he bother using tracker? That makes absolutely no sense. Most likely scenario is that he used vig correctly on scum roleblocker. Any town joat with any sense would anyway.

[Wednesday Addams]

how does being rb'd equate to shooting correctly?

Because if he used vig - extremely likely, scum rb stopped the kill. So unless you think Kuzo used tracker, it points to vig and if he used vig, why is no one else dead unless he shot correctly?

[Wednesday Addams]

how would he know who the scum is

If he used vig, he must have. Oh wait, yeah you’re right it doesn’t matter who he likely shot if roleblocked.

[Wednesday Addams]

why is no one else dead unless he shot correctly?

...because he was roleblocked.

Yeah my theory’s wrong but I do think it’s still extremely likely he used vig.

[Wednesday Addams]

rb is an active choice that has to be made, not reflexive.

so Kuzo shoots whoever the fuck he wants

scum decides or not decides to rb kuzo, not knowing who kuzo is shooting

What difference does rb being an active choice matter and who else would scum rb roleblock if not Kuzo?

I think had scum not rb’d Kuzo, we’d probably have another death.

[Wednesday Addams]

how would he know who the scum is

If he used vig, he must have. Oh wait, yeah you’re right it doesn’t matter who he likely shot if roleblocked.

Did you really not understand this? I'm worried you're faking not understanding all this

if wed is scum she dumbtelled the setup multiple times and i see scum doing that once but not multiple times

I never fake dumbtell and I do it irl all the damn time. lol

[Wednesday Addams]

i guess i need to reassess my read on penguinpower. i kinda felt town in my jellies but there's nothing that's probably outside a scumrange

kokichi is town because scum doesn't rage vote me d1 and then not vote me later days

Okay don’t think it’s you anymore.

[Wednesday Addams]

Don’t think it’s Kyoko. Gimli, Kokichi, I’m town, Maki clear.

[Wednesday Addams]

but i wanna look at a certain 208 a little closer

Wednesday - my read is town. Bianco's read is 0.5 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
STD - my role is town. Bianco's read is 0.75 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
Penguin - my read is now ???. Bianco's 0.25 town. conclusion -> trying to hide potential partner.
furtive - my read is potential scum. Bianco forgot to tally. conclusion -> maybe bianco would tally their partner.
Gimli - my read is probably town????? Bianco has them at .75 scum. Conclusion -> maybe trying to mislim.
kokichi -> my read is town. Bianco's read is 1.25 town. Conclusion -> bianco's was pretending to tr kokichi correctly.
shuichi -> was town. Bianco's read is 1+ town. Conclusion -> Bianco's was pretending to tr shuichi correctly.
kyoko .-> i'm conflicted. Bianco's read is 1.5+ town. Conclusion -> bianco was probably pretending to tr kyoko correctly.
fuyuhiko -> was town. Bianco's read is 0.5 town. Conclusion -> bianco was pretending to tr fuyuhiko correctly.
others
kaito and NM are dead. if i looked at this post i probably wouldn't have assumed bianco put both partners in the others category. oops.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, would bianco put his buddy at 7.5 or 1.00+?

Scum tends to generally put their buddy at a null usually or close to it.

[Wednesday Addams]

why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

I mean yeah I get that reaction, I literally said the same thing. But if I look at the game pre-flipping Gimli as town then your vote looks bad, which is somewhat obvious.

P.S. yeah I think I know your main!

Furtive, did you ever explain this? Because first off, Gimli was never in any danger at the time of my vote and it’s hard to not view this as a possible tmi read?

[Wednesday Addams]

Good work

What are the Wednesday jokes?

I don't exactly know but it's a bit 'sus'.

Really? Why

That's weird I wanna townread you instead of dealing with your weird stances

I just meant you seemed thirsty for a fictional character, nothing else to it

Why were the Wednesday jokes suss? I view it as totally nia and why would Gimli or anyone else for that matter “be thirsty for a fictional character”?

Like furtive, this is kind of a contradiction. How did you get from thinking the Wednesday jokes were suss to nia reading it?

[Wednesday Addams]

Game was off-site

Maki drags me to a lot of stuff but don't tell her that I enjoy it

What was her alignment in that game?

And I’ve got a heavy FOS on Maki for saying she knows who I am and it makes no difference. So if she’s tellingthe truth about the former, she’s very likely to be scum here. If she has no clue who I am or wrong, it’s a null but I know anyone saying especially Maki that they know who I am and sr me is making a bs claim.

It's pretty obvious because you play exactly the same way in every game on every account arghhhhhhhh

And then it's the whole thing of 'don't out me' but also 'I'm an alt and loads of my arguments are based on my main and knowing my main' which is less than fun to play with.

Sorry if this is pointed

bianco also pointed this out but it wasn’t me who said anything about my account initially, so I didn’t think that was a fair thing to say but since you do know who I am, I don’t understand why it would have even bothered you?

[Wednesday Addams]

How in the fuck is an arbitrary number of 0.75+ scum conclusive? That's not even a full number

SOMETIMES THEY GIVE OUT 0.25

Also Suichi was correct that bianco by only using a percentage point system, gave inconclusive reads and what what townie ever gives +25 town or scum reads, so your response to this doesn’t look particularly great.

[Wednesday Addams]

20: you already know what I think of this. +scum.

38: a bit defensive, idk if that was warranted. I'm gonna give this a 0.25+scum.

42: this and the following are nulls. I don't know why exactly STD had to remark in #43 that #42 was stilted, I don't think it particularly was and I don't get the need to excuse oneself even if it was, but I don't want to read to much into it.

76: idk, I don't agree with this vote. While I don't agree with Kyoko's criticism of me either, that seemed to me an honest attempt to scumhunt. Scumreading them over "being too nitpicky" with that (cfr #91, #92) seems a little forced. +0.5scum

90: of this post I like how my TR is apparently, cfr 94, not set in stone. It was not actually challenged afterwards, hough one must assume that if #76 were genuine than the TR on me probably is too. The Kaito TR is also reasonable.

132--141, 179: I'm ignoring meta posts rn, at least possibly until I find the will to go read games.

144: eh, the question is legitimate. +town

157: eh, this one I like less, falls somewhere in the category of asking about own SRs. Though I'm giving STD some slack for it.

159, 165: gut readings are fine, especially this early. Fuyuhiko apparently doesn't like that, and that may be reasonable, I just don't agree that's particularly AI at this point.

180: I genuinely didn't understand this post. Does what? @STD, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I would just like a clarification. I'm guessing it is trivially linked to 183?
Btw, 183 seem like a genuine attempt to workshop, I'm giving it +0.25 town.

191: while I also find #38 distasteful, this response to Kokichi is credible. I guess it could be construed as attempting to negate all further attempts at using meta to read him, which idk if I like. +0.25scum.

total: 0.75+scum

Please point out a decisive read on StD here

Look at the bottom

Again, he also gave Gimli that same rating, so definitely not at all decisive.

[Wednesday Addams]

65: it's possible I'm just dumb, but this post doesn't make any sense to me? There were not two competing equivalent wagons, mine was already the largest and not tied with anyone. +0.25scum.
Also I resent the implication that my user is difficult >:(

67: uhm. Noncommital, but idk how much to read into it.

135: I mean, the wiki says that buzzword is a buzzword. Though I'm willing to actually give this and 137 +0.5town, this is a gut feeling but it's just that it seems to me it is quite to brazen for a scum.

total: +0.25town

The nuance is fucking overwhelming me

lmfaooo

[Wednesday Addams]

it felt like highschool in a way

I had a grade 4 teacher who forgot he wasn’t in the army anymore and ranked his students and we had to respond everytime he addressed us as “sir, yes sir!”. He eventually got fired for extremely mildly whacking students across the wrists for forgetting the first “sir” with a ruler. I don’t think I ever made it past buck private until one day he promoted me to either private or corporal. Tragically, he was absent from the yearbook. I was sad.

[Wednesday Addams]

in a glance, last scum should be in:

furtiveglance or one of biancos earlier voters such as penguin, Wedsnday, STD

I feel better about kokichi after his today posts saying he knew maki was faking it yesterday based on meta and I think gimli kokichi are town here and hopefully I'm not deep pocketed

we have 7 town and 1 scum, no PR role matters anymore. just gotta not f it up for three day phases and we still win regardless of what happened in last day phase so lets focus on making good PoEs and get this done properly

You are literally the only one here who can’t tell I’m town, so no we’re not listening to you.

[Wednesday Addams]

why are you sus on kaito

88 is 3 quite neutral takes and something I'd expect to come from scum because it doesn't take strong stances wrt other players

Spoiler: Weds

Temple game was more about your predecessor, but I mean that your tone here is similar to there

I'm the same guy and that's like my tone. Wanna talk about temple game for a quick second? I replaced into a nightless nightmare with scum team practically conceding in scumchat. I put my funny hat and tried to have fun in it, I didn't have a plan or really tried swinging votes in another direction. Here I might be spamming nonsense just the same but I'm working the game as I do it. Also this is the first game I play from the start since my hiatus, the other 3 completed games I replaced in. More importantly, I want to win this particular game real bad, so I'm doing my thing.

Didn't mean to take a jab at you, I know the worst made himself obvious in that game though, and there was very little I could do to sway y'all from killing me.

I didn't realise all your completed games were replacement games, like I said in another game I thought you were an alt for a bit. I also really want to win this game, because I recently made a wiki page and my winrate is terrible. Besides, no deadlines for a month so...no work for the next week or two lol. Reading that post again I'm thinking that maybe I didn't say correctly what my problem was - it wasn't just 'level 1 thinking' or whatever but that you seemed to approaching the entire game in a really charitable and forgiving way, which doesn't match up with the towngame I saw in NY Dance Party. But I haven't seen you enter a completed game before so maybe it is style.

My vote isn't fixed on you, which it would be if I was really sure I was onto something. I haven't seen enough of everyone here to get a real feel for the game, but out of the players that have posted I'm probably most sus on Wednesday and Kaito so far. Saira (?) seems like quite a sharp player so one to keep an eye on.

Why are you suss on me?

Omgus on Gimli, and your entire ISO (until now) is about them apart from one alt-related post

Omgussing is nia for me but to refer to my vote as an “omguss” is inaccurate. I thought his vote on me was surfacey and not really based on much. I’m also in general - especially early game focused more on people either pushing me/voting me for what I think aren’t good reasons because you really don’t have a lot more to go on.

I mean yeah I get that reaction, I literally said the same thing. But if I look at the game pre-flipping Gimli as town then your vote looks bad, which is somewhat obvious.

P.S. yeah I think I know your main!

Furtive, did you ever explain this? Because first off, Gimli was never in any danger at the time of my vote and it’s hard to not view this as a possible tmi read?

Yeah I explained at some point that my Gimli read was trending upwards more than I had expressed at the time, and the omgus looked bad

Yeah but so what, why would you care how I would look after he flipped when there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for you to think that was at all likely to even happen?

[Wednesday Addams]

Good work

What are the Wednesday jokes?

I don't exactly know but it's a bit 'sus'.

Really? Why

That's weird I wanna townread you instead of dealing with your weird stances

I just meant you seemed thirsty for a fictional character, nothing else to it

Why were the Wednesday jokes suss? I view it as totally nia and why would Gimli or anyone else for that matter “be thirsty for a fictional character”?

Like furtive, this is kind of a contradiction. How did you get from thinking the Wednesday jokes were suss to nia reading it?

The 'sus' is in quote marks because it wasn't meant as a read

So was it meant to be a joke then?

[Wednesday Addams]

pre-flipping means looking at the game treating a player as town

But why when he wasn’t remotely in any danger? Besides. I can understand someone making that comment about themselves or if you have an inno on someone like Kuzo did Maki but it just seems odd to me, your extreme confidence at that point that Gimli would flip town.

[Wednesday Addams]

pre-flipping means looking at the game treating a player as town

But why when he wasn’t remotely in any danger? Besides. I can understand someone making that comment about themselves or if you have an inno on someone like Kuzo did Maki but it just seems odd to me, your extreme confidence at that point that Gimli would flip town.

Clarify: depends on the reasoning I guess but I generally don’t say to another player when someone else is being voted * who’s not me, who’s not in danger that I don’t have an inno on, that they’re going to look bad when other slot flips.

I would be far more likely to assert my confidence in my townread of them and tell the other player that maybe it’s a bad vote at the most but not that they will look bad on their flip.

[Wednesday Addams]

both pp and furtive agree with the thread consensus of themselves + STD

STD has been the only player afaict who tried to widen that POE

+ still fakesolving as kyoko just pointed out

VOTE: STD

Disagree because I had a similar take just didn’t get around to posting it, so I don’t understand what Kyoko’s referring to.

Is it possible you could be possibly scumread STD’s playstyle because I really don’t understand why he’s scum? Also how is he “fake solving” do you think?

I guess Kyoko’s take on that makes 0 sense to me?

[Wednesday Addams]

in a glance, last scum should be in:

furtiveglance or one of biancos earlier voters such as penguin, Wedsnday, STD

I feel better about kokichi after his today posts saying he knew maki was faking it yesterday based on meta and I think gimli kokichi are town here and hopefully I'm not deep pocketed

we have 7 town and 1 scum, no PR role matters anymore. just gotta not f it up for three day phases and we still win regardless of what happened in last day phase so lets focus on making good PoEs and get this done properly

You are literally the only one here who can’t tell I’m town, so no we’re not listening to you.

I was just explaining the PoE based on that wagon. Never said I think you're the scum in there.

Okay fine, can you explain to me why you think STD is fakesolving because I thought his analysis of biznco’s percentage point thing was fine.

[Wednesday Addams]

both pp and furtive agree with the thread consensus of themselves + STD

STD has been the only player afaict who tried to widen that POE

+ still fakesolving as kyoko just pointed out

VOTE: STD

Disagree because I had a similar take just didn’t get around to posting it, so I don’t understand what Kyoko’s referring to.

Is it possible you could be possibly scumread STD’s playstyle because I really don’t understand why he’s scum? Also how is he “fake solving” do you think?

I guess Kyoko’s take on that makes 0 sense to me?

but i wanna look at a certain 208 a little closer

Wednesday - my read is town. Bianco's read is 0.5 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
STD - my role is town. Bianco's read is 0.75 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
Penguin - my read is now ???. Bianco's 0.25 town. conclusion -> trying to hide potential partner.
furtive - my read is potential scum. Bianco forgot to tally. conclusion -> maybe bianco would tally their partner.
Gimli - my read is probably town????? Bianco has them at .75 scum. Conclusion -> maybe trying to mislim.
kokichi -> my read is town. Bianco's read is 1.25 town. Conclusion -> bianco's was pretending to tr kokichi correctly.
shuichi -> was town. Bianco's read is 1+ town. Conclusion -> Bianco's was pretending to tr shuichi correctly.
kyoko .-> i'm conflicted. Bianco's read is 1.5+ town. Conclusion -> bianco was probably pretending to tr kyoko correctly.
fuyuhiko -> was town. Bianco's read is 0.5 town. Conclusion -> bianco was pretending to tr fuyuhiko correctly.
others
kaito and NM are dead. if i looked at this post i probably wouldn't have assumed bianco put both partners in the others category. oops.

for example:
"kokichi -> my read is town. Bianco's read is 1.25 town. Conclusion -> bianco's was pretending to tr kokichi correctly."

It has 3 parts

"my read is town"
"bianco said he is 1.25 town"
conclusion: "bianco's was pretending to tr kokichi correctly"

all those reads are basically his own reads. he didn't get a take from biancos reads. he just tried to justify biancos read list shape with his own reads.

which as I said is a flawed progression if the attempt is real

Assuming it’s real, how is it flawed?

I keep rereading this and still don’t see anything wrong with this. I think his analysis may or may not be correct buy I can see the logic behind it and if I can understand the thought progression, I generally don’t view it as “fakesolving”.

I also don’t really see this as “widening the poe” either, so can someone explain that to me?

I’m not rushing this vote regardless but STD isn’t currently who I’d probably be voting right now if I was.

[Wednesday Addams]

pre-flipping means looking at the game treating a player as town

But why when he wasn’t remotely in any danger? Besides. I can understand someone making that comment about themselves or if you have an inno on someone like Kuzo did Maki but it just seems odd to me, your extreme confidence at that point that Gimli would flip town.

Clarify: depends on the reasoning I guess but I generally don’t say to another player when someone else is being voted * who’s not me, who’s not in danger that I don’t have an inno on, that they’re going to look bad when other slot flips.

I would be far more likely to assert my confidence in my townread of them and tell the other player that maybe it’s a bad vote at the most but not that they will look bad on their flip.

I wasn't warning you, I was explaining my early scumread of you. I think we're going round in circles a bit

This isn’t about your read on me though, it’s the part about how I’d look bad if Gimli flipped. I keep asking you why you’d say that about a player who was in absolutely no danger at the time of being run up. That’s the part that’s bothering me. And while I strongly townread Gimli NOW, I don’t believe he was anywhere obvious town at the time you said this.

[Wednesday Addams]

he is throwing rocks at the towncore. nobody else did this. who questioned kyoko after d1? did any of us do that? I don't remember. nor do people really question kokichi, but STD argued for that at daystart. this isn't a game where the last wolf is just gonna sit and wait for chop. he was questioning kyoko to see if it gets tracked. I have seen towns get extremely paranoid of someone who was playing just too well to be a townie. a wolf with good enough thread control can turn a game like this around. I don't see furtive doing anything but sheeping as of late which is fine, all of us are kinda doing that, so I don't think it's him. penguin is just antagonistic, which is my pet scumread and will always be because I'd be pissed at this rand if I was him. but who's playing like motivated scum is STD.

Well I’m going to wait for STD to respond to all of that because I’m not currently seeing it.

[Wednesday Addams]

but i wanna look at a certain 208 a little closer

Wednesday - my read is town. Bianco's read is 0.5 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
STD - my role is town. Bianco's read is 0.75 scum. conclusion -> trying to mislim.
Penguin - my read is now ???. Bianco's 0.25 town. conclusion -> trying to hide potential partner.
furtive - my read is potential scum. Bianco forgot to tally. conclusion -> maybe bianco would tally their partner.
Gimli - my read is probably town????? Bianco has them at .75 scum. Conclusion -> maybe trying to mislim.
kokichi -> my read is town. Bianco's read is 1.25 town. Conclusion -> bianco's was pretending to tr kokichi correctly.
shuichi -> was town. Bianco's read is 1+ town. Conclusion -> Bianco's was pretending to tr shuichi correctly.
kyoko .-> i'm conflicted. Bianco's read is 1.5+ town. Conclusion -> bianco was probably pretending to tr kyoko correctly.
fuyuhiko -> was town. Bianco's read is 0.5 town. Conclusion -> bianco was pretending to tr fuyuhiko correctly.
others
kaito and NM are dead. if i looked at this post i probably wouldn't have assumed bianco put both partners in the others category. oops.

I don’t see it because I think this take makes sense to me. It may or may not be accurate but I vibe with the underlying logic. I could easily see myself making this post if I was willing to put in the effort. \_0_/

[Wednesday Addams]

like let me explain this simpler

I think STD didn't infer anything from biancos read list. Him mentioning the read list was complete busy work. He gave us his own reads though there and then just added biancos read next to it for no reason.

Now I didnt say it was neccessirly a scum doing it. I'm just saying its not how you scum hunt cause its not.

you infer something from what happened and make reads. you don't make reads and try to justify other actions if those reads are true. if its a real scum hunting attempt its flawed.

making more sense?

It’s possible but I think his analysis did make sense to me but he could obviously be reading into things and making wrong assumptions. But I’m not going to comment anymore on it until STD further clarifies it.

[Wednesday Addams]

but bianco gave STD a -0.75? wow

Same as you I think. right?

And bianco looked like he thought he was in a pretty decent spot at the time so no rule of 3 or anything with that.

[Wednesday Addams]

yeah whatever really.

Whats your PoE looking like? who you think is last scum?

I’m not super confident which is why I’m not voting but I think furtive or Penguin but rn lean furtive over Penguin because Penguin voted bianco early before he was in any danger but that’s weak but generally scum will bus when they think their buddy’s in possible danger.

Do me a favor please and reread Suichi’s interactions with furtive about bianco readslist and tell me what you think.

[Wednesday Addams]

no - i just dgaf because the yeet pool has been decided by a majority so let's just go

So you don’t care if you get limmed today or not? If you’re town, you should probably persuade us on someone else no?

I think it’s most likely either furtive or you. I think furtive has more scum equity but if you’re not going to do anything to save yourself, it’s hard to justify not voting you.

If it’s not you, I’d rather not waste the lim.

[Wednesday Addams]

i think i'd be playing like penguin if i were the last scum here lol

Can you explain your Penguin read? I still think it’s furtive but I don’t like Penguin just giving up like that and if he’s town doing that, I’m going to be pissed.

[Wednesday Addams]

I think I'll trust wednesday's instincts

VOTE: furitive

VOTE: furtive

Just so many of his stances are strange like his calling bianco’s reads nuanced and definitive when they were all hedgey as fuck.

[Wednesday Addams]

Official Vote Count 1.07 (FINAL)

Elimination

biancospino

(7): PenguinPower, Kaito Momota, Wednesday Addams, Save The Dragons, Gimli, Saihara Shuichi, Kokichi Oma

<==HAMMER

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

(3): Maki Harukawa, biancospino, furtiveglance

Wednesday Addams

(1): Kyoko Kirigiri

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

furtiveglance

(1): Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-01-29 20:03:58).

Mod notes:

• With 13 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
• biancospino V/LA until Jan 28

I’d say VCA looks better for Penguin and Kuzo was obviously the failed cw.

[Wednesday Addams]

I see I'm at E-2
Fairly obvious that I'm a Villager
No need to reiterate my reads, they haven't changed
I would go STD first I think

Why is is obvious and why is STD scum?

Because I think if it were that obvious, you wouldn’t currently be my top scumread.

When you’re super obvtown, I usually see it and the one time I think I was wrong on you was based more on PoE than anything else and my read on you isn’t based on Poe.

If you think you’re alignment is so obvious, explain why then because I’m not seeing it?

[Wednesday Addams]

I see I'm at E-2
Fairly obvious that I'm a Villager
No need to reiterate my reads, they haven't changed
I would go STD first I think

Why is is obvious and why is STD scum?

Because I think if it were that obvious, you wouldn’t currently be my top scumread.

When you’re super obvtown, I usually see it and the one time I think I was wrong on you was based more on PoE than anything else and my read on you isn’t based on Poe.

If you think you’re alignment is so obvious, explain why then because I’m not seeing it?

I meant it was fairly obvious that I'm a Villager

claim

I can see why I'm suspicious if you view associatives in quite a rigidly logical way, but that's obviously not always foolproof.

It certainly feels like this is based on PoE. Which is fine, I'm certainly not getting nightkilled anytime soon and I'd rather not be the game-losing vote.

I can't see Mafia in [you, Gimli, Kyoko, Kokichi, Maki] for the life of me so gg if that's the case

Maki’s already cleared by Kuzo.

But what do you think is so obvious in your play about you being villager that I’m not seeing? Because you saying it’s obvious without you giving any reasons for why that is, tells me pretty much nothing.

[Wednesday Addams]

My read isn’t entirely based off of associatives. True, bianco’s readslist doesn’t look great for you but that’s only one of the reasons I think you could be scum.

Your defence of bianco, calling his reads both nuanced and/or decisive when they were neither.

But you’ve also had some really odd posts and I also don’t feel you have really directly responded to anything I’ve said.

Like you just saying that it feels like I’m voting you because PoE when I’ve explained what I didn’t like about your bianco defense and the other comments that concerned me, so I don’t see how you get PoE from any of that.

I’m open to being wrong but first you actually have to do something to change my mind and this post doesn’t really do that.

[Wednesday Addams]

I don't think I'm obviously town. Read again what I said - I'm obviously a Villager

claim

If you're asking me to towncase myself, for future reference I'd say that I wouldn't argue with another player about how towny my teammate is as Mafia.

You’re saying you don’t usually defend a teammate?

[Wednesday Addams]

UNVOTE:

for now.

I still think it’s you but we have 5 days left, so I’ll think on it some more.

[Wednesday Addams]

Not directly, no.

The main problem with this is it involves the kind of self meta that’s pretty much unreliable, similar to someone saying they never bus.

[Wednesday Addams]

a dragon after my own heart

Is it you Penguin? I’ve seen you as scum massively spam gifs like this.

[Wednesday Addams]

wow

This is quite annoying

I like this gif though but think it could be you now.