Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

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First

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Hardclaim potato

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VOTE: aisa

Kill all unpotatoes

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VOTE: Herta

Scum mindset, claiming miller instantly is scummy tactic

Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?

Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy

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I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time

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I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time

Who's had the best fun and games and memes so far?

You're all the game's fun so far

I'm gonna throw a stupid suspicion on KT just for saying they don't know much of the playerlist in their starting post, it feels a bit aware of the game in a way that's probably more likely to come from scum, and also a bunch of players are always here so it's an odd comment - of course you know most of the playerlist?

And then I'm townreading aisa and maybe I'm also townreading, or like not groupscumreading temporallich for attacking the miller claim, among other things like doing the first townread in the game on marashu, feels more town than not to post the first read.

Yes it's all reach-y and terrible but let's see what happens when I post things

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Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

Also you're making too much of this maybe

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VOTE: kittytacky

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Marashu doesn't seem scum

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me

What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?

Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now

I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?

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I am having a blast btw.

Weeeeeeee

I'm having a very hot day, and not in a good way

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Marashu doesn't seem scum

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me

What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?

Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now

I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?

This post seems scummy to me.

I'm forcing things so it might feel scummy yes

Why is it scummy though?

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The part where you're asking what kind of set up we're in. It comes off as disingenuous. I can't place it. It just does.

I don't really get it, but since you can't place it, and quite frankly I expect that everything I post in every game to be scumread for random reasons by someone, I guess there isn't much I can do about it. But still, I'm gonna force something out of this. Maybe I can get a read on you.

What part of it do you think is disingenuous? Do you think I read any of the setup, for instance? Or that maybe it's a LAMIST approach, to ask people instead of reading setup if I care about it? I think maybe you can elaborate on this further, and I can understand where you're coming from, and maybe you can understand me better and good things can happen.

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Problem is I don't know what you accomplish by faking it.

Well I'm not faking it. I'd be accomplishing looking like a reckless town who isn't aware of mechanics, so it'd fall under LAMIST posting. Maybe that's what feels off to you. If I was scum I'd surely be almost as unaware of mechanics as I am now though, so this might actually be NAI of me.

I think if you're scumreading it it's not hard to assume these things, so it's interesting that you don't.

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I don't see what you find interesting.

I don't understand that sentence.

It's AI, I think. Not sure in which direction yet, but it could be scummy. You're calling something disingenuous without any evidence or reasoning behind my alleged disingenuity.

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On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.

This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.

In other news, this claim seems way too specific to ever come from scum, and a cop check on herta.could be a good idea somewhere down the line to understand what kind of game we're playing.

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VOTE: yume

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here is a lead rist for now

[Town]

Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
Not_Mafia - Is Not_Mafia.
Enchant - Mostly RVS content, if not then setup spec.
narrow parking - An RVS vote and nothing else as of now.
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
Marashu - Seemingly not townie.
Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.

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I like your list. I'm townreading marashu though

I'd suggest elimination someone who isn't playing but unfortunately that's way too many slots.

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I like that there's a list in one of the most dried up d1s I played on this website so far, and I like my position in it

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Why do you think the list is meh, kirigiri? Any read you hard disagree on?

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VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

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I finally got around to a computer so expect me to improve my posting and have a better handle of what's going on in this game

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It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

yeah I agree the lich lead rist trademark has been the thing that's happening in the game. that and the miller claim, which are the two things kyoko doesn't want/likes to talk about. I think it's a little odd, seems like picking on the things that are moving the game forward in any direction.

I think trying a reads list this early is towny, shows eagerness to solve and whatnot. and as I said I like my position in it. normally I get strong townread by the scum cause I'm all looney in the thread and I think pocketing me isn't a very hard thing to do, but this game I wasn't being townread by anyone yet so it seems like an organic approach to my slot. I'm also feeling uneasy by kokichi but I'll try to re-read parts of the game and see if I can write some words about it. I thought it was peculiar that kokichi decided to position in my favour when herta scumread me for asking about the setup, but he didn't push herta for it or anything, so it seemed like just posturing which may or may not be uncharacteristic for kokichi.

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it has to do with his defense of my questioning the setup that was sus'ed by herta. I agree that herta was probably stretching a read there, but I don't think his agreeing with me that that was stretchy led to any read on herta, so it does kind of seem like kokichi isn't writing in the thread with a suspicious mindset, which might be the thing lich noticed too (though probably for other reasons).

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Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?

Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy

Kinda thought you claim miller either late D1 or early D2

Claiming miller after a red check is too late however.

I assumed it was usual RVS stuff so I ignored it. If this is legit, then I don't see why they would wait until then? By that time they could be scumread and it would look worse. I don't see an issue with them claiming it now.

reading kokichi's ISO this interests me as well, that he'd think the miller claim could be 'usual RVS stuff'. do people usually claim miller in setups as a trolly way to introduce themselves in the thread?

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VOTE: fuyuhiko

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Here is why I think we should wagon Lich:
- The change of read on Marashu (compare 1a-1b to 2)
--- Their explanation doesn't convince me. Just matches my model of how scum who gets caught on an inconsistency reacts.
- Their explanation for why they felt backed into overconfidence wasn't actually an explanation, they just sort of... restated when they felt backed into overconfidence.
- The lead rist just seems kinda strange in general. 1. why say that you need Fuyuhiko to post given several other slots also haven't posted much of note, and given you proceed to throw a nullbin on all these other slots anyway? 2.
- Kokichi's posts feel like they have ulterior motives? That's kind of vague. What are the ulterior motives?

Would love to hear any thoughts or see anyone jumping on the wagon

I think it's too early for lich to be messing up their own reads like that instead of just feeling something different the second time they try to form reads on a player. you are getting people in that wagon alright, I'm just not sure they're town

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thanks

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I'll re-read and figure out if TL is a good vote rn.

tell me what you think, cause I'm reading people going at TL and I'm squinting really hard to understand where they're actually coming from but I still don't really get it.

In other news, I think kuzu's catch up is >rand town? looks grumpy and eager. called me a stupid child or mafia which is the opposite of pocketing, so this is good. I also townread the way he is townreading kokichi, it makes sense I think (if 'looking good' is a townread).

maybe I should go back to VOTE: yume

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locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

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locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

My discard was vanilla town.

I know...

super important and most damning information right there but yes overall I'm not sure if its a good idea to claim discards either.

Do we know why they are almost all discarded anyway? I didn't have time to do the setup spec yet

I'm assuming the options are similar in terms of strengths and weaknessess. If this is the case, then you're more or less hardclaiming something weak on day 1, and I don't know why you did that now.

I assume they're discarded cause otherwise roles could be crossed with people picking the same thing, which I guess is possible but not very likely to be an actual feature.

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yes

Lies.

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

explain to the potato please enchant, you that has the superpower of having read the setup

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You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

VOTE: kyoko

okay.

she also didn't obvtown yet. let's see what happens now.

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mate

I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town

This is an awful reason to vote me for.

okay

@enchant how do you remember it just said 'vanilla' and why do you think saying 'vanilla townie' is some sort of lie?

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enchant is probably town

that was lovely

I think you might be town now as well, I just wasn't getting any vibes and was a bit paranoid

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let me townread her goddamit

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actually idk

my scumreads might be merging together

what does that mean, merging together? as in they're aligning themselves ITT from your POV?

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did you pick a benign 3p over VT

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I'm reading the setup now

the benign 3p list is super cool btw, lots of fun roles

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no I was just curious. I wanted to wagon kyoko a bit anyway, didn't care if enchant had a point or not

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I think she could be townier or behave like scum if she got some pressure. I agreed with kokichi that the 'sidelines' post was a little odd and could mean something, so I joined enchant. I also trust enchant with mech since he reads the setups, so I thought maybe he was onto something, etc.

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the 3p question was just me being silly
then I started reading 3p roles out of curiosity, has nothing to do with kyoko

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VOTE: yume still my base vote unless something better happens.

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locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?

i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.

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Also yay, first post on my birthday!!

Happy birthday!

locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?

i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.

Any chance you can be a little more specific?
My personal experience has just been that often the seemingly-scummy slots are actually scummy >.<

I'll try. Sometimes I townread things I don't fully understand.

For instance, lich's response to the miller claim is calling it scum, scum tactics and scum mindset. Do I get it? No I don't get it. But why would scum be faking this level of paranoia?

Then there's... His whole ISO kind of looks like that. So many scumreads, and I think I disagree with most if not all of them? Or at least the reasoning. But I have a feeling of that presence that's trying to understand the game and it just feels town. The excessive self awareness in some posts is also too unbelievable. Scum wouldn't be this upfront with looking scummy?

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I think Aisa is likely town. The last time I played with her I picked up scum vibes early, and I don't sense that here. Not conclusive but close anyway.

Agreed with this read

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I can tell kyoko and kokichi apart

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lich, why is 249 scummy mindset?

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I am still here, but am also busy, so...

I still prefer eliminating yume from this game fwiw.

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kyoko, is lich a wolf?

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lich, why is 249 scummy mindset?

that post feels like distancing

see that's why I think you're town

that's absolutely focused on this world you created where kyoko and kokichi are both scum and, what's even worse, feel like the same player! and you can't tell them so apart, so you're not interpreting well at all. and that's why you're gonna end up being eliminated today, I think, because even though I'm townreading you, I've come to accept that my reasons are shaky.

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okay I think this is for the best.

TL, you either fullclaim now or I'm putting you on E-1. I think the best way we can play this out is either eliminate you or have your claim so we can absolutely move to different targets. you're not gonna convince anyone you're town by posting, I don't think.

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okay I think this is for the best.

TL, you either fullclaim now or I'm putting you on E-1. I think the best way we can play this out is either eliminate you or have your claim so we can absolutely move to different targets. you're not gonna convince anyone you're town by posting, I don't think.

claiming Meta-Neighbor

I discarded Extension

okay

now the good players figure out if this is worth its salt and we either move elsewhere or do what y'all want

on yume, I think the fact that the slot has done absolutely nothing is enough to eliminate. this game has crazy factions, probably a smaller than usual amount of actual townies (I think?) so scumhunting is hard with different factions pushing for different things. an absent player becomes a reasonable choice, even though it's not one that gives the most information.

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neither kyoko nor kokichi are being eliminated today, so if you have another scumread that could work better

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we have a gazillion days anyway, time isn't relevant

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and that can be a role that scum has, right? just so we're clear

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the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)

I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him

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+1 to hail

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Enchant is town in this game fwiw

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does anyone have meta with TL?

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let's go nightless

but also, guys, I think we need to eliminate someone. this game isn't really picking up, we need something to happen.

I suggest we eliminate yume for two reasons. 1) I find that kind of grotesque lack of activity scum indicative, actually. it's just lurking too hard and not a good look. 2) LT, I promise you, he might be scum surely, but I just have this feeling he is not a player you can read without proper meta. and none of us know him so we can't be sure, can we? also, he knows the setup, we don't really know anything, so I suggest letting him live for now.

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what info would we gain with a Yume elim?

Yume has literally zero associatives and like 5% of a read.

the other option seems to be you

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I think the game has stalled pretty horrendously actually

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we can't do anything with the claims because they're not alignment indicative and we can't mech spec cause it's a universe of roles that's too broad to speculate on and play accordingly

we should play nightless 100%, that benefits town as a rule of thumb.

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meg's gonna post a votecount, I suggest you wait

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well

LT's wagon isn't going anywhere clearly

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19 pages and it almost feels like this game didn't start yet

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it's TL yeah

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Why not vote Kokichi? Kokichi is an openwolf, we would likely eliminate scum, and we'd have a lot of info going into Day 2.

can you tell me why you think kokichi is scum in a way that's not pointing at posts and saying 'thats scummy mindset'?

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here's what I think: I think you're town or 3p or either way not groupscum. and you tunneled on kokichi and kyoko and it's something that you're not explaining well. I'm checking kokichi's ISO to see what you're seeing and he posts nothing of substance and you're like 'kokichi's pushes are scummy' and he is like 'what have I pushed' and indeed he wasn't pushing anything.

like your spot is so hard cause things like that will get you eliminated. thats why I don't think you're scum as well, it's almost too hard to defend from any perspective

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if I don't vote either kokichi or kyoko I'd vote Yume... but at that point I'd more want to apply pressure and time pressure to see something interesting happen

how do you plan on doing that?

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yes but the wagons you want are not going to form, I don't think people want to vote out either kokichi or kyoko, or anyone other than you, actually, unless they go yume who isn't going to feel the pressume because yume isn't even really playing

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agree marashu's claim, the way he claimed also, is very towny

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hi I'm still awake

I don't have much to say about my defense of lich, other than I'm reading him as a good old too scummy to be scum type of situation. and if I'd just position myself as to agree with this elimination, we'd have nothing else to talk about this gameday. since the game has no friction, I'm trying to create it, somehow. yume is the only CW I think is reasonable. maybe kittytacky, but I'm not actively scumreading anything they did.

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or maybe I am. I'm taking some issues with some things kittytacky did this game. maybe I'll write some thoughts out about him later.

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what do you think of kittytacky?

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KT's ISO: basically commentary on whatever is going on, sheeps a vote on lich and then disappears. I know kitty is a good townie so this is out of character.

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VOTE: kittytacky

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UNVOTE:

is this because you think KT and TL are unlikely SvS?

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lich, are there jesters in the setup?

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are you a vampire

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if you are a vampire and can claim vampire let's eliminate you because I want you on our side

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you're acting in a way that some players would act if they were jester

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, just you know, playing mafia

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yeah I forgot Deathseeker somehow... That's indeed jestery, but never on Day 1.

are you a vampire

are you implying I'm acting jestery? that's really bad when my claimed role (meta-neighbor) requires credibility to work.

also your neighbour wants you dead

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I like the KT wagon better, pending his re-read and posts tomorrow being good things

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I think lich's posting improved fwiw, it feels more townie now, I like his assessment of marashu at least, agree it's a towny claim etc

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I know if he is scum I'll have to be resolved later and thats ok <3

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I wish to be able to post content, I really do, but it's still D1 and that's when I am still in the 'floundering' stage.

I don't believe this is how you play d1 as a townie.

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I wish to be able to post content, I really do, but it's still D1 and that's when I am still in the 'floundering' stage.

I don't believe this is how you play d1 as a townie.

Well, I do. You literally saw me play that way in the last temple game, so....

???

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you played d1 in that game

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Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

It was this, getting that upset over posting initial reads(whether you agree with the reads or not), jumped out at me.

I also talked about this, if you recall. I also didn't care for KT's posts this game, I'm sure being busy is NAI but what he did post was not towny.

I also think yume is a great elimination today and am leaning KT/yume as decent wagons, as opposed to TL who's jestery and not really that scummy imo. I really think a lot of the reasons why he is getting SRed are player-dependant. if I was posting like TL I'd definitely be not-town.

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Oh right, and: too scummy to be scum doesn't really do much for me. Thanks for explaining though Gimli.

he is playing. is it all a bit scummy? yeah maybe, but the game would be much harder without TL. I really don't want him gone, not on d1. and I don't think yume and kitty are just lurker =rand slots. I think they're both >rand scum.

having nights with no flips benefits us eliminating players who aren't playing the game first. flipping TL won't make the game more interesting, but might dry our conversations even more.

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if you're pocketing me it's working, Lich. thanks either way

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I think I'm sitting alone in that KT wagon, appreciate people joining me there

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Agreed that Gimli and KT are almost guaranteed to not be same alignment.

unless he is a townie!

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okay so we basically have a night now.

I think picking yume for the vigilante kill works as well, which makes it interesting if we could find someone else to eliminate today

@lich: why did you say your full claim would decrease your scum equity by a lot, when it's not the case?

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@lich: why did you say your full claim would decrease your scum equity by a lot, when it's not the case?

that was about answering why pressuring Herta to elaborate on their miller claim was "role fishing" (rather, fishing for said elaboration)

that being said, I no longer have pressure on me and you're a good town leader so it would be worth answering... but I checked back and the "role fishing" accusation was completely baseless.

so you were just lying there to make pressure go away, yes? as a neighborizer.

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given hail, we have a guaranteed kill

and I think we should go for yume as the town's NK, and flip someone else today

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if we flip yume instead then KT can still be a wolf and then kill someone we wouldn't and then go 'well i had a read' etc

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VOTE: lich

sorry lich

and KT targets yume

I think this makes for a good d2

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Cause someone gonna flip

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big strong man

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lmao

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if we flip yume instead then KT can still be a wolf and then kill someone we wouldn't and then go 'well i had a read' etc

Do ant third parties that win by getting voted out exist in abloaf?

not on d1. that means lich's jestery is just lich being either mafia or being lich

there's a vampire role that becomes the alignment of whoever eliminates them
and then there's a weird role that needs to be voted ou d2/d3/d4 etc but never d1

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I want to see how eve ry one star t the ir day 2 bef ore that

hahahahahahaha

this is really funny that they targeted you with this

I haven't read I'll do it later

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IDK how to mafia anymore this game is too hard

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I wanna vote kyoko

I also wanna sheep the only other person who was townreading Lich. was it herta? hi herta let's be in-thread masons.

my reasons for both of these things are stupid and I don't wanna elaborate rn.

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I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
a fri end

oooooooooooooooooooooo

she is 3p

I said that shit on d1

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or she is fakeclaiming 3p

A FRIEND

that's why she doesn't care about solving this mess

I'm alone in this game!!!!!! 3p kyoko will be the death of us

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And yes I support hail.

For some reason I thought hail would only stop town actions. I'm dumb alright.

Then why support that

I think scum will know if hail stops their action, don't you think enchant? it feels like maybe legitimate dumbtelling

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It's time to play my favorite game: Everyone give me your biggest scumread and the reason as to why. Best answer gets my vote

kyoko isn't solving, she is incapable of not solving when she is town

[Gimli]

as funny as it was when she was roleplaying post intereference in the beginning of the day, I also think this is something she's >rand to do when she's mafia cause it sets the stage for us thinking scum used a redirector on her or something like that. I don't think it was a reaction test and I don't think it's towny. I also don't think calling people friend and townreading enchant when he was coming at her on d1 are things she is very likely to do when she is actually town. so tbh kyoko is either 3p or mafia at this point and I'll be kinda shocked if she is actually town playing like that.

I also don't like how she had the same ideas re: lich that I had, that he was consistent in his whatever mindset, but she never wanted to drop that scumread and support me townreading him. it made me look like a tinfoil hat crazy person with the crazy idea that lich was town since nobody else thought that. but I get from kyoko's posts that she thought that? so.

sorry for the rambling, I haven't even read d2 with any attention yet and am just spamming things.

[Gimli]

I legitimately submitted no action last night.

Was there a reason for this?

I saw it was hailing?

That could have broke or
Marashu could have been lying.

To Group: Was there anyone else who didn't submit?

I also holstered fwiw

[Gimli]

BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO

[Gimli]

I'm such a potato for falling for that but okay I believe you

[Gimli]

I'm such a potato for falling for that but okay I believe you

Gimli, I'm a little worried about the fact that I didn't scumread you so far this game. Why did I scumread you last game when you were town and not this game

maybe this time you're scum

[Gimli]

I don't understand this game, but I'll read eventually and figure things out

[Gimli]

okay I'm here for the next hour or two and I'm working on this game! I wonder if I can get anywhere with it.

@kuzu I'll respond to your things in time.

[Gimli]

what about kokichi

VOTE: TL

Yeah okay. I unvoted and was willing to give you a chance but you're stuck in your reads

so first of all I don't like this because 'stuck in your reads' isn't scummy behaviour per se and the problem with TL was the lack of explaining anything to any extent that we could understand. and you hammered him with that, so I'm not really fond of it. I feel like this is being a very easy game for scum and so posts like these ping me because you don't need anything decent here to hammer.

also given haunted village game, I think you're more calculating and open to new evidence than you have been with TL on d1.

[Gimli]

>Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu will remember this.

will remember what?

[Gimli]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

kyoko, what did you mean by 'if actions went through I'm already clear'? what in this god forsaken game can possibly clear you?

[Gimli]

I have a guilty on Doctor Drew

I also have guilty on Doctor Drew

Nice, we should still use this day to figure out more things first and then we can just vote Drew end of day.

are you faking dumbtells?

[Gimli]

I kinda want to reset my reads. Maybe I tunneled on TL too much and that was my fault. It was very little to go off Day 1 with all the lurkers though.

okay that's better, let's see if that went anywhere...

[Gimli]

I think I'll trust enchant, herta and marashu

[Gimli]

Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?

I suppose I am a bit more weary of the Miller claim right now from Herta. N_M is well.. N_M so I'm not sure what to think about that slot.

I was kinda hoping that would have been the vig shot.

that's a bunch of half assed throwaway suspicions and you seem to have started the day testing the waters to see what people wanted to kill. bolded makes absolutely no sense when we spoke plenty about the night vig and I don't think there was a single moment in which you even mentioned NM.

I'm strongly suspicious of kokichi rn.

[Gimli]

I also like Kuzu this game so I'm adding him to my townpile with marashu, herta and ugh the other person

[Gimli]

Can you tell us a bit more about what you were thinking when you hammered TL? Why were you hoping NM would be the vig shot?

That I'm glad TL was getting elim'd cause I assumed scum. And cause N_M is usually the designated vig target since he's pretty much barely posting as either alignment, so rather a shot there to potentially get scum.

yeah this is scumsplaining, you're not going anywhere with any of your posts and you're just going with the thread flow trying to appear reasonable and pocket people

VOTE: kokichi

[Gimli]

I'm back in a bit and I'll speak with you drew

not suspecting you or anything, just to respond to your q's

[Gimli]

Spoiler:

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

Is she talking about your action with that post though? I feel like she may be softing some other kind of role

she's clearly fragmenting her posts in a way to play around my role
I legitimately submitted no action last night. So for her to be acting like I targeted her is shady as fuck to me.
Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.

I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked

I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine

Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?

@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?

Meanwhile,
VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

funny cause I had the absolute opposite reaction in which I thought, like kyoko did, that kuzu's posts on d2 were towny. why are you voting him?

[Gimli]

I think I'll trust enchant, herta and marashu

And aisa

you agree with my other townreads then? I can't really townread aisa, could you elaborate?

[Gimli]

adding KT to my pile of townies so herta, KT, enchant, marashu, kuzu

who am I left with?

(kyoko, kokichi, drew, aisa, NM)

[Gimli]

I have the feeling dr drew is gonna be the next guy with weird tone being scumread for player dependant reasoning just like day one!

[Gimli]

Gimli posting a pretty bad case on me after me being sus of him since he is playing slightly different than last game he was town.

you're not town kokichi that played haunted village. you're doing some other thing here and I don't like it. your scumhunting on d2 is sheeping thread consensus again? I don't buy it.

[Gimli]

drew, you're voting for aisa while talking to someone else and not giving any reason for why you're voting for aisa

herta just said she has a meta read so IDK why you're just voting there without further investigating into the meta read

[Gimli]

This is false, you're trying to use the same thing I said vs you. Haunted day 2 I didn't have time to out a scumread since everyone quick voted. So that's another lie. There are people in this game to back that up

you're turning this into something superficial when it isn't. this game you're going with the flow and you're fine sheeping reads and testing waters without committing yourself. you're being diplomatic and posturing on all the conversations without adding anything substantial yourself. you didn't work a towncore, you don't have proper scumreads and are just sheeping, and saying you were suspecting me is bonkers since your suspicion amounted to saying 'how come I didn't suspect you on d1?'

the other game you were tunneling STD when only a few people agreed with you, and then went extremely anti-consensus on d2 when we were incorrectly killing kaito. here you were fine with eliminating TL, and now you're fine with drew! it's just whatever the majority wants for you this game. it is suspicious.

[Gimli]

drew, you're voting for aisa while talking to someone else and not giving any reason for why you're voting for aisa

herta just said she has a meta read so IDK why you're just voting there without further investigating into the meta read

Herta doesn't follow up on explanations for reads, that was my point.

So if pressure on them doesn't work, how about pressure on the person who they seem to have a town read on for a mysterious reason they don't feel like sharing.

And I am getting frustrated on why Herta is allowed to just fly under the radar, was gonna ask you to expand on your lockTown read on them as well.

I think herta is the weakest of my townpile, but I like the flatout miller claim, I like how she suspected me on d1 and I like some of her posting here and there that's giving me townpings. it does not amount to much. enchant/KT/mara/fuku are definitely much stronger townreads.

[Gimli]

So if pressure on them doesn't work, how about pressure on the person who they seem to have a town read on for a mysterious reason they don't feel like sharing.

just so we're clear, you're voting for aisa but do you scumread aisa? or is it just to pressure herta?

have you voted herta at any point? are you scumreading herta?

[Gimli]

metaread isn't a mysterious reason. it can be a reason that we can't grasp because it's her meta, but it's not a mystery

[Gimli]

I know that's almost too obvious to be true but herta/aisa scum pair, is that possible?

I'm gonna go ahead and isolate just these two and see where my investigation goes. hopefully with a few finished games by now I can finally spot someone scummy? it's been difficult for some reason.

[Gimli]

Actually that''s useful info that I'll share later.

stuff like that is making me townread herta. this is a cryptic comment regarding what type of miller she is. I don't think you expanded on this yet, herta? today seems like a good day to do it.

[Gimli]

Oh my bad, Marashu had the same question about TL's change of read before I did lol.

Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the

largest

smallest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.

Meg said that a groupscum universal miller would be allowed. So e.g. if the smallest groupscum group in this game were the Apparitions, a Universal Miller Apparition would be allowed, and would investigate as an Apparition to relevant investigatives. (Meg is awesome.)

@Yume

, why are you voting Gimli?

what it means is that herta's miller claim might be clearing (if we believe herta) but only in the sense of herta not being part of the largest groupscum. I think, that aisa brought it up first ITT makes them unaligned. I also think this investigation has been rather attentive by aisa, and I want to townread that.

[Gimli]

You're right in that we don't know how big they are, but we. do. know. how. many. factions. there. are.

we do? how many?

[Gimli]

I wasn't paying attention man

[Gimli]

Spoiler: marashu's mech spec

I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?

I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:

1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.

One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.

As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.

wow I never read these things until now, okay. so we know we're in a game with conspirators because of this:

Cop:Cop
Miller:Miller(returns Mafia)
Mason:Immigrants

and this and guardians (that can't be in the game for some reason I already forgot) are the only groupscums who have miller as miller and not some flavour of miller in the name.

The Conspirators outside the PT are treated as Lone, having no idea who the other conspirators are and losing alone.

guess who's acting like a lone conspirator? kyoko. her d2 'reaction test' works much better as signaling.

@ whoever understands the mech in this goddamn game: if we are in a game with conspirators, then we definitely have this traitor role, right?

[Gimli]

of course she doesn't need to signal because the groupscum knows the Lone. hmmm. I'll think about this.

[Gimli]

Or I'm blind (in my defense, it was hidden by spoiler tags). 170

ah, I see. so we're not necessarily playing against that groupscum.

you and enchant mentioned us knowing how many factions there are in the game. I'm not sure I read why or, if I did, I didn't understand.

[Gimli]

I'll go ahead and believe NM's claim

[Gimli]

Depending on what roles we have, we should work with Rain or Snow. Rain could help us figure out if there's someone using a faction ability when they claim a passive ability.

do you think KT's strongman might be a scum PR?

[Gimli]

I think I'm gonna townread kokichi

a bit unrelated but his page 17 is good

[Gimli]

Snow would be useful in the case of someone saying "I'm going to target x tonight." If x was not targeted and y dies when nobody claimed they would target y, barring shenanigans we'd have a good place to start looking for scum.

let's bring this to the table today?

[Gimli]

yes let's coordinate.

do you think we should full claim?

[Gimli]

I'm thinking of claiming mine because I don't know what it does

[Gimli]

okay.

I'm a town mysterious musician. I target a player with a song and they feel an energy. IDK how that messes with other roles or if I'm giving scum a redirector to a nuclear bomb or something, but my role doesn't say what it does really. it's mysterious.

[Gimli]

since its a potato role I thought it'd best to out anyway even if we're full claiming today

[Gimli]

I know that's almost too obvious to be true but herta/aisa scum pair, is that possible?

I'm gonna go ahead and isolate just these two and see where my investigation goes. hopefully with a few finished games by now I can finally spot someone scummy? it's been difficult for some reason.

Yet you tried to say I was scum? So does this mean you didn't find me scummy and all you just posted was a lie?

I read a few things that make me feel you're town now

also on re-read I don't think neither herta or aisa are scummy. I might be working with a limpool of <dr drew> like everyone else. I agree his reaction to NM and enchant was awkward. I'm a little scared because of d1 when our consensus was terrible, but Drew hasn't done a single towny thing this entire game, while Lich was kinda towntelling and scumtelling and everything in between a lot. Drew feels too calculating.

[Gimli]

I think I'm gonna townread kokichi

a bit unrelated but his page 17 is good

Yeah, no. No use backpedaling now.

keep being towny

[Gimli]

we don't know there are conspirators, actually. this has been marashu's early mech spec that I caught upon, but aisa has already told us that basically... the Universal Miller is a miller that works with every type of game and whatnot. I do think it's very possible we have conspirators, because a lot of millers for other factions have flavour, so the POE for possible scum factions in a game with universal millers might be thin. but this is deep into mod guessing, ykwim?

[Gimli]

the kyoko Lone theory is a strong one, I think.

[Gimli]

I wanna flip dr drew anyway

[Gimli]

Gimli not voting for Drew gives me pause.

I certainly will

[Gimli]

Sounds like you're >rand 3P yourself

j'accuse...!

[Gimli]

I want to flip drew but I don't want to repeat d1 and flip a villageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

[Gimli]

we are capped by how much mech knowledge we have rn. that's why I think we should unleash all the demons at night and see who was visited. it's the best way to work out the claims and figure out who's scum.

or we can keep scumhunting with hail and pick up two players to flip again, one by elim one by kitty's shot. but I'm not confident it's gonna wield great results.

[Gimli]

I want to flip drew but I don't want to repeat d1 and flip a villageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

Who else besides drew do you SR?

I rly don't think kyoko is town, I think she is either a traitor/Lone type or a 3p, or just scum. aisa's posts this gameday remind me of how she was coming back to Lich's 'lead rist' like it was so out of line for Lich to be wanting to make one, when I don't think her towngame really goes there and is more likely to not pick up on random oddities like that, but on more precise things. I also think she'd probably be scumhunting d2 full kirigiri, instead of coasting and trolling. Like, this is NOT kyoko's towngame (yet?), and you just played with her so you know that as well. why are you not going there?

I don't really like herta's d2 all that much, I'm growing wary of her townread on aisa, even though I do also townread aisa, and it's hard for me to get past that miller claim, with the specifities of it, without thinking she is telling the truth and is a town miller indeed.

I think you're doing a thing that I'm quite sure if it's your towngame or not. sometimes it looks like it, sometimes it doesn't? you're not developing a good sense of the game yet, but the same goes for every other player itg so I get it, but somehow I was expecting more. I think you're turning a blind eye to kirigiri and it's odd that you're doing that. do you think she is town?

then there's NM. I don't think NM is aligned with dr drew though. so if one flips groupscum I wouldn't want to flip the other.

[Gimli]

hi

wheres kyoko

[Gimli]

A plan: use hail, flip drew. If drew is town, shoot NM. If drew is scum, shoot in (kyoko, aisa?, Kokichi?) Or something like that

[Gimli]

Just reiterating that my guilty is 100% genuine

actually.

we should first make sure that this is possible. meaning, that there's an invest in the setup that goes through hail.

[Gimli]

VOTE: kyoko kirigiri

[Gimli]

we can flip NM first, and if he is an investigative kitty can shoot dr drew?

if he is any other BS then kitty shoots someone else

it solves the NM slot and we don't waste a shot on dr drew if we don't need to

btw I'm rereading the game and I'll have some nice posts coming up

[Gimli]

I'm working a scumcase against kyoko. I don't know if I'll believe in it when I'm done with it, but it's a way to try to work this game out.

Spoiler: kyoko's d1: lots of nothing (and some other stuff about other players)

so this is kyoko's game so far, I decided to do some work in it and show why I think she is scum. Overrall she isn't scumhunting and she isn't townhunting. For instance there are many slots she didn't try to investigate in this game - the majority of them - instead focusing on one or two scumreads that she picked

alright

I don't decide when RVS ends but having actual votes is better than RVS votes

that being said, it's too early for me to provide a lead rist because Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu has not posted yet

why would you need all slots to post once to provide a read list?

can't it be with everyone and them at null? It kinda makes no sense

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

yeah that's the question

but even if he wanted to talk about people what was that about 1 not posting yet?

it just doesn't make sense

I kinda dislike kitty's in this interaction a bit more, because I feel they're both picking up on a supposed weirdness by Lich and pretending like that's a scummy thing. kyoko knows that's not scummy to want to make a 'leads rists', even if it's senseless on page 4 or whatever. I know kitty has our shot and we're basically never flipping him on hail, but his post is also pinging me.

what's gonna be important from this point forward is how kyoko interprets the leads rist and if her follow ups make sense...

Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"

whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?

still on that after being prodded. this is a typical scum player at this point: has one subject, re-enters said subject when re-entering the thread. it's >rand scum. I voted her for it, also calling the list 'meh' is not a good thing. It was a fine list for how early in the game we were. I've seen townies make much worse lists contentwise, and I've seen scum make convoluted paragraphs on every player.

so kyoko is busy and understands why I'm scumreading her, which is why she is talking about Lich's list? and she is still pushing Lich for his Kokichi read.

At this point in time ITT I have kokichi as a solid town read, even though they had odd posts and I understand why people suspect him.

I also am not sure where is everyone going with the miller discussions.

A player claims miller. how is that too "specific" to not be claimed by scum? how is that a bad play if they are town?

its just a normal miller claim and I don't see anything we can get out of it by talking about it in day 1. I wish instead of that people would talk about their reads and how they feel about each other.

this is another scummy post. it doesn't make sense to talk about the miller claim like that. kyoko is not gamesolving in this post! it's kyoko kirigiri, the detective of a deduction game. all her longer posts will be game solving and game advancing. if it ain't either, it's suspicious. and this again is a weak way to reenter the thread. that's 2x reentrances that are weak scummy sauce.

I get that she is busy but it's harder to play when you're a wolf. that's more scumpoints for kyoko.

Am I tunneling already?

#161 more of the same, including the parts where she 'suspects people suspecting kokichi', who I think is just another pawn in her game!!! ofc you're gonna hard pocket kokichi if you're scum...

Hi I’m incredibly lost, what’s going on?

this is also horrible and deserves a vig

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Let's play mafia.

and this is great from herta.

Here is why I think we should wagon Lich:
- The change of read on Marashu (compare 1a-1b to 2)
--- Their explanation doesn't convince me. Just matches my model of how scum who gets caught on an inconsistency reacts.
- Their explanation for why they felt backed into overconfidence wasn't actually an explanation, they just sort of... restated when they felt backed into overconfidence.
- The lead rist just seems kinda strange in general. 1. why say that you need Fuyuhiko to post given several other slots also haven't posted much of note, and given you proceed to throw a nullbin on all these other slots anyway? 2.
- Kokichi's posts feel like they have ulterior motives? That's kind of vague. What are the ulterior motives?

Would love to hear any thoughts or see anyone jumping on the wagon

I'm townreading this post by aisa because it summarises well the case_against_lich.txt while giving something else, something actually potentially scummy Lich did! which is the marashu read.

aisa >rand town. #182 is great as well.

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Let's play mafia.

Would you mind actually answering my question, or giving a reason for not doing so?

this is horrible!

ok kuzu's posts are also very very bad. I'm gonna hit send cause I think I'm starting to see where the scum are.

[Gimli]

GET YOUR VOTES OFF AISA

[Gimli]

first of all we're gonna flip kuzu

when kuzu flips mafia, we're gonna kill kyoko

then play d3

VOTE: kuzu

[Gimli]

we keep hail

follow me to victory fellas!

but seriously kuzu is openwolfing and I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention

[Gimli]

kyoko isn't towny

Lich I'm so sorry for d1

[Gimli]

I discarded vanilla

Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die

isn't that a little funky? your discard was vanilla but your actual role is a killing ability.

I wonder if on d2...

:tinfoil:

kuzu and kyoko are groupscum. check: horrible theatrics

Spoiler: scum theatre or something

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Curious as to why

I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao

and on and on

[Gimli]

So anyway. I checked every role in setup.

Conclusion: NM can have guilty. But most likely he is bullshitting as none of these are "directly condemning".

There's like 1 exception: Large modifier which makes you bulletproof and your action can't be prevented.


... I have too much freetime.

enchant <3

so we just won't care about NM's claim and also I think it's a good idea to sheep aisa's townread on drew. it's much better than the reasons people are suspecting him (I personally have no idea but am leaning town nonetheless).

[Gimli]

+ I also need to find scum

Not interested in getting them eliminated necessarily and I would not mind if they win.

But I gotta find them for reasons so I have been scum hunting when I had time in the game for real. maybe just not as open as I am as town with it, cause I'm not town.

you happy now gimli?

do you think kuzu is town?

[Gimli]

so you lied about your discard

[Gimli]

a vanilla 3p?

enchant, can this be a thing?

[Gimli]

On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.

This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.

we can potentially check kyoko's 3p claim by getting a cop check on herta

[Gimli]

yes

[Gimli]

Kyoko, are you

Dictator

?

yeah that's what she is claiming, got it

[Gimli]

enchant, are you townreading kuzu?

[Gimli]

we can do two things here

1) work kyoko as a compromise vig shot on n2. say we flip kuzu and he is mafia. killing kyoko serves us well, because her ENTIRE equity itg is scum or 3p. we don't lose one of ours. now, if we flip kuzu and he is actually town, then IDK if shooting her is good, because I think her 3p equity is big, since that claim outs her if another 3p flips (I think?). meaning scum shouldn't claim 3p. but she can be a traitor role etc with a neighboring modifier. who tf knows.

2) change hail for whatever ability shows all the targeted. it would require our full claims. we'd learn kyoko's 3p for sure, and she could pick our TOWNIEST PERSON ITG for her target. that way she'd win with town and we'd all be happy with that. at some point the towniest person needs to be resolved so we know she is winning with us. so, it's a thing.

[Gimli]

Who is this

baby gangsta

[Gimli]

oh you're gonna target indeed kyoko

pedit: it's a possibility. you don't think I'll want to flip you? I won't flip you if you win with the town. that's not the case now and it has to be, otherwise I think our vig looks great on you.

[Gimli]

that's why I suggest lifting hail

[Gimli]

you're the only person itg with 0 town equity

[Gimli]

if we lift hail you can use your ability and we can know what's up, and if you win with town maybe you increase town numbers? that can be REALLY good

otherwise you're a good compromise shot

[Gimli]

I wouldn't suggest shooting you if we flip kuzu and he is town

[Gimli]

you're the only person itg with 0 town equity

Mate

I'M NOT TOWN. and I wasn't hiding it. I'm basically a natural 3p as natural it can be.

whats the point of shooting me when I can target you and say I'm winning the game with you.

if we don't lift hail you can't do that, that would be another gameday without knowing

I prefer if we lift hail and figure out the gamestate like that.

[Gimli]

also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?

are you trying to be eliminated?

[Gimli]

Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.

if she is a bad 3p instead of what she is claiming, we might not know until too late. I think you're scum so it doesn't matter that you're shading me over it.

[Gimli]

I feel like she’s been incredibly upfront about what she’s capable of and that means her claim is probably true. So she’s a bad push imo, and Gimli has been going after her potentially all game, with extremely wild cases that indicate he’s willing to resort to any means necessary to make his push go through. I don’t like any of that, and he’s basically in desperation mode at this point because Aisa is the leading vote rather than his pet suspicion Kyoko.

that's a bunch of absurdities. I've been thinking kyoko might be 3p since early d1 and my thoughts about it have been all laid out ITT.

Spoiler: my kyoko 3p progression

did you pick a benign 3p over VT

I'm reading the setup now

the benign 3p list is super cool btw, lots of fun roles

I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
a fri end

oooooooooooooooooooooo

she is 3p

I said that shit on d1

or she is fakeclaiming 3p

A FRIEND

that's why she doesn't care about solving this mess

I'm alone in this game!!!!!! 3p kyoko will be the death of us

as funny as it was when she was roleplaying post intereference in the beginning of the day, I also think this is something she's >rand to do when she's mafia cause it sets the stage for us thinking scum used a redirector on her or something like that. I don't think it was a reaction test and I don't think it's towny. I also don't think calling people friend and townreading enchant when he was coming at her on d1 are things she is very likely to do when she is actually town. so tbh kyoko is either 3p or mafia at this point and I'll be kinda shocked if she is actually town playing like that.

I also don't like how she had the same ideas re: lich that I had, that he was consistent in his whatever mindset, but she never wanted to drop that scumread and support me townreading him. it made me look like a tinfoil hat crazy person with the crazy idea that lich was town since nobody else thought that. but I get from kyoko's posts that she thought that? so.

sorry for the rambling, I haven't even read d2 with any attention yet and am just spamming things.

BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO

and I don't want to flip kyoko, I want to flip you.

[Gimli]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

voting for a friendly neighbor amazing

townsiding already, good.

[Gimli]

no we're not

[Gimli]

I literally said modified part two thousand times already.

and been sorting this since day 1

what are you on about?

I was going to quote that as well

enchant: we're not flipping kyoko now but we might have to eventually.

[Gimli]

I don’t care if you vote me out because it at least reveals my alignment and once that happens Gimli has a shit-ton to answer for.

the alignment: scum

[Gimli]

I didn’t see anything about “modified”. I might be willing to buy it but saying you stated it repeatedly when I don’t remember it ever coming up feels disingenuous.

How could you not see what I'm claiming? It was in every single post of mine

how could you trust it initially and then scum read it if you didn't understand its not traditional town friendly neighbor?

It makes no sense

cause he is scum posturing

now, there's two others. help me find them?

[Gimli]

the groupscum theory was tinfoil. I think you're both independently scummy. you're more scummy.

[Gimli]

the groupscum theory was tinfoil. I think you're both independently scummy. you're more scummy.

This reads to me as “I was talking out of my as and blatantly looking for an excuse to push you”.

I said in the post you quoted it was tinfoil. my reasons for scumreading you are that you are not scumhunting, you are not townhunting, you're not doing anything but coming ITT eventually and get annoyed at things in real time. your real time reactions are bad, too. they seem fake. now with kyoko you had progression that felt like posturing + back tracking on your posture of defending her. before with her 'reaction test', more posturing. d1 was all weirdly WKing kyoko to come d2 voting her. it's all blend too, none of your posts feel towny.

[Gimli]

you can WK kyoko all you want, but from liking a bunch of her posts on d1 you started d2 voting there. neither on d1 nor on d2 you seemed to have a sensible progression on her. right now, same deal, the progression doesn't work. with me as well it's pure OMGUSing now.

I'll never think you're town after this.