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UNVOTE:

Wow uh

I don't recall ever reading a 40+ paged mini-sized game and walking away with such nebulous reads.

I think Shirou, Klick, and Save the Dragons are probably town.

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lucian and una dont really feel like the way i expect them to play when theyre town

which is probly not a very good or fair way to read them, they're both people i am more familiar with.

Can you expand on the bolded? For Lucian, do you mean the laidback approach he's taken with this game? For Una, I'm having a bit of difficulty tracking your scumread there.

Also is it fair to say that you're pretty confident in these scumreads?

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I could see a world where shirou is mafia

yeah, SRing Shirou for making up BS "meta" reasons to scumread me and mostly pushing that forward via posting a lot about it (as he did with the Norwee tunnel, for that matter!) I feel comfortable with VOTE: Shirou for right now; still SL/SR on Ari but if it's true that he's not surviving until ELO as town and would, just, win this game if he were to be scum then this is insanely asymmetrically dangerous and we should elim him.

What about Shirou's push makes you think he doesn't believe in it?

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do you have any scumreads on your read through? are you done catching up to present?

I am all caught up!

I was kind of scumreading you and Una. I had you as scum because about 1-2 pages ago, I feel like you were going into a lot of detail about your townreads, but your scumreads were thinly explained. But from your responses just now, I feel like there is a decent amount of substance behind those reads.

Una pinged me with her early push on Gamma, which seemed to be based on something that Gamma didn't do (68), and her interactions with Norway about Shirou, and then nothing has really moved the needle much since.

I guess I'm not a huge fan of TGP's Shirou vote just now, but I'm not sure if that makes him scum if that makes sense.

I'll take a closer look at Lucian and Una's ISOs in a bit. Tbh, I'm hoping to get more confident reads from the posting after this point, and I'm just using my replace-in reads as a baseline.

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hello!

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[Lucian] doesnt feel like hes particularly eager to share takes or engage in solving, i didnt like some of the takes he's had this game because they don't feel organic and it feels like he's more invested in self meta/defense than actually pushing foward to find mafia.

I don't see much in the way of self meta. For inorganic-feeling reads, I think 363 probably stuck out the most as kind of a weird read. The rest seem okay.

I do see where you're coming from wrt him not being as towny as past games. I've played one game with Lucian (he was town), and iirc he was one of my top townreads as early as day 1 (that was before I found out he was Datisi though ). I don't know how much him deliberately stepping back from this game factors into it though.

I don't think I got anything conclusive out of this tbh.

I think Una's entrance felt kind of awkward and she's more spontaneous when she's town. I don't really understand why she voted for me because i don't think she ever felt i was mafia and she's one of the few people i'd expect to get my alignment correct and if she thought i was mafia i'd think she would be a lot more forceful about it.

Looking at Una's ISO, I'm not 100% sure why she's voting you either. 350 is the first hint that trends in that direction, and the rest seems to be in response to the aftermath of Shirou's fake scumread on Norway.

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Klick, have you already talked about why you're scumreading Lucian?

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UNVOTE:

Wow uh

I don't recall ever reading a 40+ paged mini-sized game and walking away with such nebulous reads.

I think Shirou, Klick, and Save the Dragons are probably town.

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Can you talk to me about StD?

General solviness - in particular, 974 and 996 were real-time reactions to things in the thread that seemed natural. The bit where he talked to Gamma about Cakez (my slot) also pinged town.

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i dont even think tgp is mafia

Maybe not but is that worse than dying?

The probability isn't zero, you know that

because me flipping would get some people who are tunneled on me to actually play the game.

and tgp flipping town would keep the game state exactly the same except closer to losing

This feels townie.

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UNVOTE:

Wow uh

I don't recall ever reading a 40+ paged mini-sized game and walking away with such nebulous reads.

I think Shirou, Klick, and Save the Dragons are probably town.

<3

Can you talk to me about StD?

General solviness - in particular, 974 and 996 were real-time reactions to things in the thread that seemed natural. The bit where he talked to Gamma about Cakez (my slot) also pinged town.

Cosmos Mafia has now finished, so I can give more of my thoughts on this: basically Save the Dragons meta is what I thought it is (what we both thought it is to be exact), and not something I think is worth getting paranoid over when his thoughts in thread have seemed natural to me so far.

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How many votes are on Una?

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I'd also vote TGP

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Who would you not vote rn CSF?

Shirou, Klick, STD, Pina, Norway

You, Aubrey, and Toto have made posts that pinged me as town on my catch up, but I need to see more.

VOTE: Una

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Thank you CSF I love you even if this is town and you're scum.

I love you too! You may not remember me, but we were in team mafia 2018 together

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Do you mean 2021?
a) join date weirdness, b) I don’t remember you being in TM 2018

I was under a different account. Don't feel like linking it but it shouldn't be hard because there's only 3 people it can be lmao

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oops apologies csf i will try to linebreak and/or punctuation more

That was fine! but thank you :p

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the goals are mostly thread control and get townread

i don't think that it meaningfully accomplished anything that would benefit town it was just like pure performance to dance on top of town who will respond to it with "scum wouldn't do something that crazy, right?" and people who just saw him act in a surface level similar way in dance game

the comparisons kinda end at the surface level tho, i think his play in dance game made him town for reasons that aren't present here at all (there he clearly believed in his reads, and the level to which he pushed the push he was making wouldn't really help scum in the long run at all)

If you and Una were competing TvT wagons, I don't really see why Shirou had to do what he did there? What are your thoughts on that?

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i'm also pretty tired and frustrated and want a flip. i think una is +rand to be scum but this is not a strong read and i'd prefer ari, i just... want a flip more than i want to try to push for a lim on the ari slot.

I think this is pretty bad justification for the hammer btw. TGP doesn't mention a read on Una at all before this, and it's not clear to me what kind of answers an Una flip would give to help TGP solve.

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and the time when una was eliminated was like the absolute peak of una limmability. there i think was a good enough chance that once she's not v/la she ends up getting more townread and can't be so easily pushed

I'm not so sure about this, because there was a wagon on Una when she was still present and active in the thread.

I think the rest of your post makes sense if you're scumreading Shirou though, but I still kind of think he's town.

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VOTE: TGP

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VOTE: TGP

Aside from the hammer, I also think TGP is scummy for pushing Shirou for policy reasons but trying to not make it seem like a policy push (1076 says shirou's metapush is scummy but he also needs to be fearlimmed)

Then his transition to a Shirou townread in 1328 feels too sudden and unnatural. If you look at TGP's ISO, he has alternated between scumreading Shirou and being uncertain about him ever since page 22 (614 - votes Shirou). The quoted Shirou post that gives him a change of heart doesn't even feel that AI to me -

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I haven't that much experience on Lucian/Una so I feel scummy vibes but not "never wrong"/"almost never wrong" confidence

If you do feel that I can vote Una

i'm insanely skeptical that you can even hit that level of confidence on d1 reliably ever

...but god, you're just town aren't you Shirou

UNVOTE:

i maintain that i should vote you if i don't reasonably strongly townread you but right now even trying to discount hard for the fact that activity makes you seem more towny you seem actually trying to solve the game

Also 865 feels like it was edited after the fact to add a respond to Aristeia's 653 (the quoted posts are out of order)

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Did you mean Team Mafia 2020 though? I didn't play TM 2018 so I wonder if you're confusing me for someone else?

Yes I did mean 2020

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Cat scratch, what do you think of Aubrey? Same question to fire

He felt okay, I had him as tentative town because his frustration with this game was voiced at points where I was getting annoyed with the game during my catch up

Thinking the NK points to scum satisfaction with the game state and then also thinking fire (Aristeia) is scum does feel contradictory, but I'm not sure it's scummy

Why are you asking about him?

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Klick, what did you think of the rest of 1446?

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okay gn!

Gamma just seems like a zero info kill. So scum must be happy enough with the game state to some degree I guess.

I think this thought from Aubrey is towny right after they say they want to flip Ari, cause it points to a paranoia that flipping the counterwagon is gonna hit another towny

Can't post more for a while hopefully I can read a little bit today

But Aubrey also wants to vote Aristeia/fireisred (he reiterates this wish in 1544), who was the major counterwagon to Una. If there is significant paranoia about flipping the CW, I'm not seeing it. Does that change your read there?

I see you have Aubrey as one of your top towns in 1562. Did you have another reason for townreading him?

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What were some things that made you townread Shirou on a reread?

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the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

Did you get this feeling during a specific event during day 1? or is it overall vibes

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Town leaning TGP here is TMI on steroids even if he's town.

Can you take a look at Gimli? His read on Aubrey seems feebly justified to me. He had TGP as a townlean earlier too (1526).

I kinda think Klick is town. And what Ari said earlier about Klick's town play was right - after we get more flips, he starts solving in a way that is quite difficult to replicate as scum, I think.

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klick started fine and fell off a bit.

I think he has issues with keeping up with a game regardless of alignment but more so as mafia.

My general feeling is that he actually believes i could be scum but if he disappears its concerning.

if hes town it will get more obvious over time.

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It looks like it's my turn to get left out of a readslist

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I did notice that pattern - after Gimli ISO'd TGP and Klick, he ended up with weak townreads on both.

But Aubrey was given a strong townread based off of one thing; I think that townread was the only one that wasn't holistic, so it stood out to me.

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TGP I'm still confused why you didn't clarify that you didn't think it wasn't a hammer when you voted.

You looked at the E-4 post from Shurro, you said "nah", counted yourself, miscounted (fine so far), then... didn't clarify it was not a hammer? The post after the vote also reads a lot a like a post hammer post to me.

vote explanation?
announcing l-1/l-2 seems like a courtesy from my older days but it didn't actually come to my mind to announce l-1 lol

Are you going to answer Gimli's questions?

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Also something doesn't add up to me in the current game state,

There is definitely some resistance against Shurro. Aubrey, Norwee and Gimly have expressed resistance. So it can't all be scum team. Some townies are town reading Shurro, which I can get why given effort and frequent posting. I'm not really sure where Pina, Klick and CSF stand on this. I think Fire, std are ok with shurro dying. TGP also think Shurro is town.

I still think Shirou is town

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His reads list had I think 6 or 7 players, so a bunch of slots are missing. You think he was supposed to be reading you particularly, then? I don't remember any interaction you both had in the thread.

Nah, his reads list included 7 people, and he already gave reads on Shirou and Ari/fire. My slot was the only slot he didn't give a read on.

Save the Dragons is also really town

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UNVOTE:
I don't want a lim soon, I still don't have a good grasp of the game. I'll also have more time starting this weekend because I'll be on vacation

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I don't see as much resistance to TGP, klick is the only one that have expressed a townread on this slot. Una was scum reading TGP, Gamma was scum reading TGP. Ari thought TGP was town, but Fire thinks he is scum. Lack of resistance could be town indicative for TGP in this set up but maybe TGP is dead weight for the scum team. if scum!TGP someone in his team is willing to bus, apparently, or at least hasn't complained about him dying.

Alternatively Gamma was a frame kill and TGP is town. But OTOH if they wanted to just frame TGP why just not kill me? OTOH if scum!TGP killing me was probably too obvious and killing gamma a good second best. I don't think I was widely townread so maybe keeping me around as a lim target also makes sense.

If TGP is scum, I do think scum would be bussing here

I'm also not tr'ing fire or Gimli

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I meant that he didn't bother hedging on my slot, he didn't even mention me

He's ignored a lot of scumreads in his direction

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Not townreading fire should be a crime but ok

Why is he unassailable town?

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Welcome!

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I voted for Una, because she pinged me when I was catching up

I'm not currently voting, but I think TGP is likely to flip scum

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Not townreading fire should be a crime but ok

Why is he unassailable town?

It's fire, it reads and feels like fire should, this is no longer a slot that's tainted vy

This doesn't help, sorry!

And that you don't notice it feels odd to me, cat

Pedit: I'm townreading it rather strongly, furtive. I'm also very positive you're town here

Have you seen scum fire?

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oh lol last i checked the thread i remember gimli believed me

So is Gimli still town or

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Toto do you have any recent scumgames?

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Toto do you have any recent scumgames?

Not really I took a long hiatus and only rolled town these last 3 games. All prev games are from 2016ish

The one I linked is my only scum win I think.

Have you been playing anywhere else in the interim?

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oh lol last i checked the thread i remember gimli believed me

I think this is slightly anti partnery for Gimli and TGP

I've been poking Gimli a lot, but I'm not confident he's scum, whereas TGP just seems like scum in what he chooses to respond to (not really engaging with the meat of the arguments against him) and how he forms his reads

toto is town, probably—i'm happy to include them in my townbloc. they are wrong about me and i think shirou but not in directions where i would be like "hey, yes, this is very Convenient for you, this Benefits you." they're pushing against two townies. also 1596 is plausibly not out of scumtoto's range but they get townpoints for them

this is one example

fire and pina are pushing in the same "direction" as Toto (all are or were pushing TGP/Shirou team at some point) - why does this make Toto town but not pina or fire?

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The one I linked is my only scum win I think.

I was townreading Toto for the spontaneity, and I don't really see that in their scumgame.

But Toto, why do you keep say/implying you're obvtown in this game? Your linked scumgame was pretty good, especially considering it was your first.

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I agree, someone should unvote. I'd like Klick to give thoughts, since he's only had time to skim

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i am like confident enough in fire scum to self vote immediately tomorrow and spend the entire day pushing for my own elim if they're town lol

Why are you so confident in fire scum ?

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but also, ari was scum,

I get that you've been scumreading Ari, but the confidence level seems too high

If TGP flips scum, fire would be my top scumspect tomorrow. I don't think fire has done anything particularly townread worthy, they've been giving me crossbussing vibes, and TGP's bizarre confidence in fire flipping scum only reinforces that

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TGP comes back to the thread about 6 hours later and

decides that Shirou is probably just town

. This doesn't feel unnatural to me, it feels like TGP calmed down and had a think about actually solving for Shirou's alignment.

But how did he decide that Shirou is probably just town?

It's like this - town players who've been suspicious of someone the whole game aren't just going to suddenly go like "oh lol you're town", there needs to be significant impetus. And I don't see one

Basically - what's his justification for a sudden read change? Did Shirou do anything especially towny in that time? I find it unlikely that he just had a flash of clarity or something

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

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I saw Furt replaced Aubrey I think? Fwiw my large PoE was [TGP, Klick, Aubrey, Lucian, Toto]

My middle sized PoE was [Klick, Aubrey, TGP] because we've 3 lims and I think there's at least one scum on that, after finding out the scum on it dunno, look at the larger PoE

You don't think fire/Ari is scum anymore?

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I also think TGP's recent posts are p bad btw:

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oh lol last i checked the thread i remember gimli believed me

I think this is slightly anti partnery for Gimli and TGP

I've been poking Gimli a lot, but I'm not confident he's scum, whereas TGP just seems like scum in what he chooses to respond to (not really engaging with the meat of the arguments against him) and how he forms his reads

toto is town, probably—i'm happy to include them in my townbloc. they are wrong about me and i think shirou but not in directions where i would be like "hey, yes, this is very Convenient for you, this Benefits you." they're pushing against two townies. also 1596 is plausibly not out of scumtoto's range but they get townpoints for them

this is one example

fire and pina are pushing in the same "direction" as Toto (all are or were pushing TGP/Shirou team at some point) - why does this make Toto town but not pina or fire?

i am like confident enough in fire scum to self vote immediately tomorrow and spend the entire day pushing for my own elim if they're town lol

Why are you so confident in fire scum ?

but also, ari was scum,

I get that you've been scumreading Ari, but the confidence level seems too high

If TGP flips scum, fire would be my top scumspect tomorrow. I don't think fire has done anything particularly townread worthy, they've been giving me crossbussing vibes, and TGP's bizarre confidence in fire flipping scum only reinforces that

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I think furtive is unlikely to be scum with how he's been so far

I think Toto's posting has been quite a bit better today as well

Agree, I think both are town

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The same happened with Menalque in Not Quite Normal Multiball 2, he felt annoyed with the game in general in a way that made him seem really towny to me
Similarly, not a single other person thought Menalque was town all game.

I think a difference from NQN M2 here is that you've townread Shirou for most of the game, so there wasn't as much of a mindmeld with TGP here (who sussed and waffled on Shirou a lot)

Is TGP's trajectory on Shirou something you're explicitly townreading or something you're not-scumreading? (I'm curious why you have TGP in italics instead of null!)

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Hey all, I'm tired af from traveling all day, so today's going to be low effort posting

Hold it.

CSF called TGP/Fire bussing but DIDN'T vote TGP???

CSF has been voting TGP since forever

do you guys not understand

this is scum posting

gimli/furtive have been trying to test waters for CSF since they came in

my opinion is that they need miseliminations and are trying to cook one on CSF.

I didn't know about the bolded. I haven't read enough of this game yet, and that's my bad. But yeah I no longer scumread CSF, pending TGP flip which I think is red. TGP red flip I'm happy to 'turbo-lim' fire.

I haven't been voting TGP because I didn't want the day to end

I've mulled over what Klick said about TGP, but idk, TGP has only seemed scummier throughout the day. Like every time he pops in, he says some ??? stuff and doesn't answer any relevant questions or even really seem to be doing any real solving. His recent "shitposting" just feels like scum bravado, not actual town thoughts. I really don't see myself being happy with any other lim going over today

VOTE: TGP

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@Shirou - I've read your posts, esp the one on fire slot, which I'll think about some more, but I really think furtive is town

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I think TGP is at E-1 now btw

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I'm on my phone and I'm travelling again tonight, I'm saying what I'm saying from memory. The part about it being "impossible to come from partners" is on you, which idk if it's a tendency you have regardless or if you're mafia here, but doing a straw man just to beat it up is a tiresome approach.

Bussing is actually an op strategy in this setup in particular

Another point in that direction is that Save the dragons wasn’t super hard pushing TGP but was killed. I think the offwagon kill suggests that scum want to keep the pool of people who pushed tgp as large as possible, because that’s where scum are hiding

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Spoiler: off-topic

A close family friend died unexpectedly Saturday night. That has generally killed my motivation for all but the bare minimum in the past few days. I'll keep up to date, but the next few days might not be up for much.

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Sorry to hear that Klick

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CSF HI

I'm a bit paranoid of scum being in my town leans given I'm still here but blegh, should trust myself for at least one or two more days given I was right on TGP from the start

what are your top 2 or 3 votes rn CSF?

I think fire/gimli is a good start, and I’m a little worried about Klick

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Tgp’s push on fire yesterday still seems like a last ditch effort at planting an anti associative

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personally my hot take is that fire is lockscum

i am like confident enough in fire scum to self vote immediately tomorrow and spend the entire day pushing for my own elim if they're town lol

i am like confident enough in fire scum to self vote immediately tomorrow and spend the entire day pushing for my own elim if they're town lol

Why are you so confident in fire scum ?

well, for one thing, obviously this is good for me not dying today, and i don't much like dying

but also, ari was scum, and fire ain't helping the slot

If fire is town, this would be a Hail Mary play to push the lim away from himself (tgp) and onto fire

But the way these posts are written, it doesn’t even read like he’s serious about building momentum on fire, hence anti associative

Like who would read these TGP posts and think to themself: “yeah I’m convinced that fire is scum now, I’m going to vote him”?

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@shurou, Yeah I didn’t get the impression that TGP was comfortable playing as scum

That’s why I think this might’ve been a fuck up on his part

It could be an anti anti associative (pauses to sip wine). as someone else said, it did seem like TGP was leaning into it a bit at the end. I just don’t see how TGP is supposed to recover from that besides leaning into it if they are indeed SvS and people were calling them out on it, if that makes sense.

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i don't really want to speed lim anybody but i do think there's at least 1 scum in furtive/klick

my main worry here would probably be if it's klick+shirou or if one of my townreads is wrong

Wait why 1 in furtive/klick

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It's not against the rules to throw or I'd be banned after pairs mafia

I'm town, furtive. I have no energy to fight against your elimination, no good grasp of d1,.etc. sucks to replace in yo. That's for both of us

Gross post tbh

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I took another look at furtive, and i think his progression makes sense to me. He starts out with a scumlean on TGP but doesn't project confidence in TGP flipping scum until

after

TGP comes in and says some scummier stuff (i.e. the overconfident fire push). And TGP did start kinda open wolfing late day 2

I'm phone posting so i can't assemble the quotes neatly right now, but the read develops from 1837 to 1968 and then 2048

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For Gimli, he had a lot of energy yesterday, so I'm interested in why he doesn't want to defend one of his top two townreads today

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Also is it just me or does the site need more padding on the right? I'm on mobile and i keep trying to scroll right to see if there's more

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i kinda had an issue with 2048 bc it felt like as soon as he saw someone with a (incorrect) partner theory with tgp he jumped on it and then immediately started extremely hard pushing tgp

the jump on confidence there didn't really feel natural to me but idk i guess maybe the theory was just really convincing to him?

Why do you townread me?

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i don't want to end the day, so don't take this vote as an endorsement of ending the day

But i want to move the game away from the furtive Shirou 1v1, because i think it's TvT

VOTE: fire

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that just leaves klick and gimli which. feels unsatisfying to me

which brings me back to shirou

Why is this unsatisfying? If you're town, i think my solve actually goes to klick/gimli

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I think Shirou is actually town for the Norwee nonsense and the TGP/Lucian scumreads. There's a point around 842 onwards when Shirou votes Lucian and

then TGP votes Ari shortly afterwards...might be the key to the whole thing.

Shirou, I'm choosing integrity over pride. If you played me and win then fair play. All I can do is say what I think and hope I'm right.

About the bolded, I've read that TGP post at least ten times now

The Ari vote was also the post that TGP quoted out of order... Like TGP went back and added the quoted post to vote Ari. Idk if that's a bus or scum trying to push through a vote on town!Ari

Really interested in what others think. The TGP post is 865

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Mm I'm also open to voting Gimli. Std was scumreading there too

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Replacing giuseppina.

hm

it's me again isn't it

i'm sorry i'm a petulant child that keeps screaming until i get what i want but idk if i can ever change or if i want to change bc if neither of fire/furt is scum this game is wild and i want to see it with my own eyes asap

I'm about to blow your mind

I don't think Fire is mafia. I re-read Ari/Fire and I don't think so

What prompted you to change this read?

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CSF talk about your read on me

Your town case on TGP didn't make that much sense to me. The things you were describing as towny in 2053 seemed more scum indicative (i was reading that same progression as scummy). I'd understand it more if you had other reasons for townreading TGP and were therefore already predisposed to townreading him for other reasons, but i didn't think there was a lot more behind your TR. I think you were quite generous in your tgp read, maybe too generous

That and Std death worries me

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It's like- i got the impression that you looked at TGP's posts and found reasons to townread it because you wanted to instead of looking at it more objectively

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I can tell you though that I don't think I would actively choose to remove STD from this game

Why's that?

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UNVOTE:
Sorry not ready to end the day - it's unclear to me who fire is scum with rn. I was thinking it was Gimli, but not sure after that weird fakehammer vote

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VOTE: Gimli

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i don't think ive gone beyond scumrange but i don't think im approaching this in the way that i would if i were scum. idk why i would come in pushing tgp when i could have easily diverted conversation elsewhere.

I got the impression that you came in hardpushing shirou tbh but still had TGP in the same tier in your reads list

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I guess I am still interested in what towny things furtive saw in his reread of Ari/fire

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So csf are you townreading fire? Feel like he has been pretty focused on surviving.

I know thats not scummy in itself but there is a general lack of trying to “figure out who the motherfucking scumfucks that are trying to kill me are” attitude

Pardon the French.

And yeah there was some frustration in the last page but more like “im fucked no matter why I do” type of frustration

I've lowkey been trying to teamsolve, and the fire/Gimli worldview that I had makes less sense now.

I don't townread him - but I'm unsure who he's scum with atm unless I incorrectly townread someone. Rereading furtive & fire might help

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what's UP crew

Have you been reading

Just dropping my page 2 read on fire's pred

If there was a super cool moment that someone wants me to look at I can probably produce higher quality content that way than reading every single page

Thanks for replacing in

Opinions on the events quoted in 2045 and 2729 would be appreciated, since fireisredsir is the topic du jour.

Spoiler:

but also, ari was scum,

I get that you've been scumreading Ari, but the confidence level seems too high

If TGP flips scum, fire would be my top scumspect tomorrow. I don't think fire has done anything particularly townread worthy, they've been giving me crossbussing vibes, and TGP's bizarre confidence in fire flipping scum only reinforces that

I think Shirou is actually town for the Norwee nonsense and the TGP/Lucian scumreads. There's a point around 842 onwards when Shirou votes Lucian and

then TGP votes Ari shortly afterwards...might be the key to the whole thing.

Shirou, I'm choosing integrity over pride. If you played me and win then fair play. All I can do is say what I think and hope I'm right.

About the bolded, I've read that TGP post at least ten times now

The Ari vote was also the post that TGP quoted out of order... Like TGP went back and added the quoted post to vote Ari. Idk if that's a bus or scum trying to push through a vote on town!Ari

Really interested in what others think. The TGP post is 865

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Who is still in your PoE?

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I still think Toto is town. I get what they meant earlier by you feeling survivalistic - it does feel like you always have a wide PoE. Once you moved furtive up in your readslists, someone else (gimli or toto) gets slotted in a lower tier, even though there are only 2 scum left. Maybe that's just how you play, idk but it does feel survivalistic in one sense of the word

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probably the main losing scenario is like if it's shirou/klick and lims are me > furtive > gimli

That's probably a lot of people's PoE or close to it, but I think it's better to teamsolve to avoid situations like the worst case scenario that you outlined here where people are just chainlimming the scummiest people left and right.

like you/furtive feels viable pending a reread
but furtive/gimli doesn't and neither does gimli/you

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probably the main losing scenario is like if it's shirou/klick and lims are me > furtive > gimli

That's probably a lot of people's PoE or close to it, but I think it's better to teamsolve to avoid situations like the worst case scenario that you outlined here where people are just chainlimming the scummiest people left and right.

like you/furtive feels viable pending a reread
but furtive/gimli doesn't and neither does gimli/you

I reread pages 107 (starts on 2654) to 109, and the conversation between furtive and fire about reads doesn't feel like SvS

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i can't guarantee that fire flips red but just like i said about tgp he's very individually scummy even if i'm having a bit trouble understanding who is exactly his partner if it's not furtive

Yeah this is kind of my problem with fire!scum. The last time I was heavily scumreading someone but I couldn't figure out anyone they were scum with, the slot was scummy town

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gg all & thank you petapan!

Klick breaking my heart with the scum PM smh

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<3 you shirou. Hope you keep playing