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VOTE: aisa
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Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?In post 31, TemporalLich wrote: VOTE: Herta
Scum mindset, claiming miller instantly is scummy tactic
Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy- Gimli
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I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time- Gimli
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You're all the game's fun so farIn post 56, Aisa wrote:
Who's had the best fun and games and memes so far?In post 54, Gimli wrote: I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time
I'm gonna throw a stupid suspicion on KT just for saying they don't know much of the playerlist in their starting post, it feels a bit aware of the game in a way that's probably more likely to come from scum, and also a bunch of players are always here so it's an odd comment - of course you know most of the playerlist?
And then I'm townreading aisa and maybe I'm also townreading, or like not groupscumreading temporallich for attacking the miller claim, among other things like doing the first townread in the game on marashu, feels more town than not to post the first read.
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Also you're making too much of this maybeIn post 90, KittyTacky wrote: Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?- Gimli
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VOTE: kittytacky- Gimli
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What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?In post 78, TemporalLich wrote: Marashu doesn't seem scum
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
starting to see a scummy mindset again
pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me
Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now
I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?- Gimli
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WeeeeeeeeIn post 102, KittyTacky wrote: I am having a blast btw.
I'm having a very hot day, and not in a good way- Gimli
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I'm forcing things so it might feel scummy yesIn post 100, Herta wrote:
This post seems scummy to me.In post 94, Gimli wrote:
What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?In post 78, TemporalLich wrote: Marashu doesn't seem scum
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
starting to see a scummy mindset again
pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me
Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now
I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?
Why is it scummy though?- Gimli
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I don't really get it, but since you can't place it, and quite frankly I expect that everything I post in every game to be scumread for random reasons by someone, I guess there isn't much I can do about it. But still, I'm gonna force something out of this. Maybe I can get a read on you.In post 115, Herta wrote: The part where you're asking what kind of set up we're in. It comes off as disingenuous. I can't place it. It just does.
What part of it do you think is disingenuous? Do you think I read any of the setup, for instance? Or that maybe it's a LAMIST approach, to ask people instead of reading setup if I care about it? I think maybe you can elaborate on this further, and I can understand where you're coming from, and maybe you can understand me better and good things can happen.- Gimli
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Well I'm not faking it. I'd be accomplishing looking like a reckless town who isn't aware of mechanics, so it'd fall under LAMIST posting. Maybe that's what feels off to you. If I was scum I'd surely be almost as unaware of mechanics as I am now though, so this might actually be NAI of me.In post 121, Herta wrote: Problem is I don't know what you accomplish by faking it.
I think if you're scumreading it it's not hard to assume these things, so it's interesting that you don't.- Gimli
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It's AI, I think. Not sure in which direction yet, but it could be scummy. You're calling something disingenuous without any evidence or reasoning behind my alleged disingenuity.
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In other news, this claim seems way too specific to ever come from scum, and a cop check on herta.could be a good idea somewhere down the line to understand what kind of game we're playing.In post 58, Herta wrote:
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.- Gimli
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I like your list. I'm townreading marashu thoughIn post 133, TemporalLich wrote: here is a lead rist for now
[Town]
Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
Not_Mafia - Is Not_Mafia.
Enchant - Mostly RVS content, if not then setup spec.
narrow parking - An RVS vote and nothing else as of now.
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
Marashu - Seemingly not townie.
Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.
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I'd suggest elimination someone who isn't playing but unfortunately that's way too many slots.- Gimli
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I like that there's a list in one of the most dried up d1s I played on this website so far, and I like my position in it- Gimli
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Why do you think the list is meh, kirigiri? Any read you hard disagree on?- Gimli
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VOTE: kyoko
Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy- Gimli
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I finally got around to a computer so expect me to improve my posting and have a better handle of what's going on in this game- Gimli
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yeah I agree the lich lead rist trademark has been the thing that's happening in the game. that and the miller claim, which are the two things kyoko doesn't want/likes to talk about. I think it's a little odd, seems like picking on the things that are moving the game forward in any direction.In post 158, KittyTacky wrote: It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.
I think trying a reads list this early is towny, shows eagerness to solve and whatnot. and as I said I like my position in it. normally I get strong townread by the scum cause I'm all looney in the thread and I think pocketing me isn't a very hard thing to do, but this game I wasn't being townread by anyone yet so it seems like an organic approach to my slot. I'm also feeling uneasy by kokichi but I'll try to re-read parts of the game and see if I can write some words about it. I thought it was peculiar that kokichi decided to position in my favour when herta scumread me for asking about the setup, but he didn't push herta for it or anything, so it seemed like just posturing which may or may not be uncharacteristic for kokichi.- Gimli
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it has to do with his defense of my questioning the setup that was sus'ed by herta. I agree that herta was probably stretching a read there, but I don't think his agreeing with me that that was stretchy led to any read on herta, so it does kind of seem like kokichi isn't writing in the thread with a suspicious mindset, which might be the thing lich noticed too (though probably for other reasons).- Gimli
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reading kokichi's ISO this interests me as well, that he'd think the miller claim could be 'usual RVS stuff'. do people usually claim miller in setups as a trolly way to introduce themselves in the thread?In post 62, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I assumed it was usual RVS stuff so I ignored it. If this is legit, then I don't see why they would wait until then? By that time they could be scumread and it would look worse. I don't see an issue with them claiming it now.In post 42, TemporalLich wrote:
Kinda thought you claim miller either late D1 or early D2In post 41, Gimli wrote:Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?
Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy
Claiming miller after a red check is too late however.- Gimli
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VOTE: fuyuhiko- Gimli
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I think it's too early for lich to be messing up their own reads like that instead of just feeling something different the second time they try to form reads on a player. you are getting people in that wagon alright, I'm just not sure they're townIn post 181, Aisa wrote: Here is why I think we should wagon Lich:
- The change of read on Marashu (compare 1a-1b to 2)
--- Their explanation doesn't convince me. Just matches my model of how scum who gets caught on an inconsistency reacts.
- Their explanation for why they felt backed into overconfidence wasn't actually an explanation, they just sort of... restated when they felt backed into overconfidence.
- The lead rist just seems kinda strange in general. 1. why say that you need Fuyuhiko to post given several other slots also haven't posted much of note, and given you proceed to throw a nullbin on all these other slots anyway? 2.
- Kokichi's posts feel like they have ulterior motives? That's kind of vague. What are the ulterior motives?
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tell me what you think, cause I'm reading people going at TL and I'm squinting really hard to understand where they're actually coming from but I still don't really get it.In post 217, KittyTacky wrote: I'll re-read and figure out if TL is a good vote rn.
In other news, I think kuzu's catch up is >rand town? looks grumpy and eager. called me a stupid child or mafia which is the opposite of pocketing, so this is good. I also townread the way he is townreading kokichi, it makes sense I think (if 'looking good' is a townread).
maybe I should go back to VOTE: yume- Gimli
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locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.- Gimli
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I'm assuming the options are similar in terms of strengths and weaknessess. If this is the case, then you're more or less hardclaiming something weak on day 1, and I don't know why you did that now.In post 259, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
My discard was vanilla town.In post 254, Gimli wrote: locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.
I know...
super important and most damning information right there but yes overall I'm not sure if its a good idea to claim discards either.
Do we know why they are almost all discarded anyway? I didn't have time to do the setup spec yet
I assume they're discarded cause otherwise roles could be crossed with people picking the same thing, which I guess is possible but not very likely to be an actual feature.- Gimli
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explain to the potato please enchant, you that has the superpower of having read the setup
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VOTE: kyoko
okay.
she also didn't obvtown yet. let's see what happens now.- Gimli
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okayIn post 271, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
mate
I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town
This is an awful reason to vote me for.
@enchant how do you remember it just said 'vanilla' and why do you think saying 'vanilla townie' is some sort of lie?- Gimli
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that was lovelyIn post 281, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: enchant is probably town
I think you might be town now as well, I just wasn't getting any vibes and was a bit paranoid- Gimli
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let me townread her goddamit- Gimli
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what does that mean, merging together? as in they're aligning themselves ITT from your POV?
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did you pick a benign 3p over VT- Gimli
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I'm reading the setup now
the benign 3p list is super cool btw, lots of fun roles- Gimli
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no I was just curious. I wanted to wagon kyoko a bit anyway, didn't care if enchant had a point or not- Gimli
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I think she could be townier or behave like scum if she got some pressure. I agreed with kokichi that the 'sidelines' post was a little odd and could mean something, so I joined enchant. I also trust enchant with mech since he reads the setups, so I thought maybe he was onto something, etc.- Gimli
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the 3p question was just me being silly
then I started reading 3p roles out of curiosity, has nothing to do with kyoko- Gimli
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VOTE: yume still my base vote unless something better happens.- Gimli
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i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.In post 315, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?In post 254, Gimli wrote: locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.- Gimli
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I'll try. Sometimes I townread things I don't fully understand.In post 331, Aisa wrote:
Happy birthday!In post 229, Doctor Drew wrote: Also yay, first post on my birthday!!
Any chance you can be a little more specific?In post 318, Gimli wrote:
i mean its a little over the top to be scum at some points, scumreads merging together, wants to do a reads list as soon as everyone posts etc. I don't see a person playing like them and think they're scum, but clearly it's pinging everyone else so maybe I'm wrong. it's not that I'm necessarily going like 'oh this is a nice towny post', it's more a sensation that it's a townslot.In post 315, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Can you tell me why Lich is townie to you at all?In post 254, Gimli wrote: locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.
I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.
My personal experience has just been that often the seemingly-scummy slots are actually scummy >.<
For instance, lich's response to the miller claim is calling it scum, scum tactics and scum mindset. Do I get it? No I don't get it. But why would scum be faking this level of paranoia?
Then there's... His whole ISO kind of looks like that. So many scumreads, and I think I disagree with most if not all of them? Or at least the reasoning. But I have a feeling of that presence that's trying to understand the game and it just feels town. The excessive self awareness in some posts is also too unbelievable. Scum wouldn't be this upfront with looking scummy?- Gimli
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Agreed with this readIn post 335, Herta wrote: I think Aisa is likely town. The last time I played with her I picked up scum vibes early, and I don't sense that here. Not conclusive but close anyway.- Gimli
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I can tell kyoko and kokichi apart- Gimli
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lich, why is 249 scummy mindset?- Gimli
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I still prefer eliminating yume from this game fwiw.In post 356, Yume wrote: I am still here, but am also busy, so...- Gimli
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kyoko, is lich a wolf?- Gimli
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see that's why I think you're townIn post 361, TemporalLich wrote:
that post feels like distancingIn post 358, Gimli wrote: lich, why is 249 scummy mindset?
that's absolutely focused on this world you created where kyoko and kokichi are both scum and, what's even worse, feel like the same player! and you can't tell them so apart, so you're not interpreting well at all. and that's why you're gonna end up being eliminated today, I think, because even though I'm townreading you, I've come to accept that my reasons are shaky.- Gimli
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okay I think this is for the best.
TL, you either fullclaim now or I'm putting you on E-1. I think the best way we can play this out is either eliminate you or have your claim so we can absolutely move to different targets. you're not gonna convince anyone you're town by posting, I don't think.- Gimli
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okayIn post 366, TemporalLich wrote:
claiming Meta-NeighborIn post 365, Gimli wrote: okay I think this is for the best.
TL, you either fullclaim now or I'm putting you on E-1. I think the best way we can play this out is either eliminate you or have your claim so we can absolutely move to different targets. you're not gonna convince anyone you're town by posting, I don't think.
I discarded Extension
now the good players figure out if this is worth its salt and we either move elsewhere or do what y'all want
on yume, I think the fact that the slot has done absolutely nothing is enough to eliminate. this game has crazy factions, probably a smaller than usual amount of actual townies (I think?) so scumhunting is hard with different factions pushing for different things. an absent player becomes a reasonable choice, even though it's not one that gives the most information.- Gimli
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neither kyoko nor kokichi are being eliminated today, so if you have another scumread that could work better- Gimli
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we have a gazillion days anyway, time isn't relevant- Gimli
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and that can be a role that scum has, right? just so we're clear- Gimli
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the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)
I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him- Gimli
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+1 to hail- Gimli
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Enchant is town in this game fwiw- Gimli
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does anyone have meta with TL?- Gimli
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let's go nightless
but also, guys, I think we need to eliminate someone. this game isn't really picking up, we need something to happen.
I suggest we eliminate yume for two reasons. 1) I find that kind of grotesque lack of activity scum indicative, actually. it's just lurking too hard and not a good look. 2) LT, I promise you, he might be scum surely, but I just have this feeling he is not a player you can read without proper meta. and none of us know him so we can't be sure, can we? also, he knows the setup, we don't really know anything, so I suggest letting him live for now. - Gimli
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