Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

gotta keep bunnies in check

VOTE: Aisa

It's their year and everything

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Millers ave to claim right away. its the way it works

My question (maybe just out of curiosity) is why would anyone choose to be miller

like whats, the other option that they actually discarded that was worse. That's why I actually have some considerations about believing the miller claim

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

alright

I don't decide when RVS ends but having actual votes is better than RVS votes

that being said, it's too early for me to provide a lead rist because Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu has not posted yet

why would you need all slots to post once to provide a read list?

can't it be with everyone and them at null? It kinda makes no sense

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

yeah that's the question

but even if he wanted to talk about people what was that about 1 not posting yet?

it just doesn't make sense

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Marashu doesn't seem scum

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me

What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?

Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now

I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?

so the setup can have multiple group scums or solo scums. Some of these scum can only win solo/against town and some can have roles that let them win alongside everyone else - I mean they can win with either town or the evil typical scums

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

alright

I don't decide when RVS ends but having actual votes is better than RVS votes

that being said, it's too early for me to provide a lead rist because

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu has not posted yet

But you made that post saying your specific reason for not providing a read list is the bold part. why did you even feel the need to type that?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"

whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I like that there's a list in one of the most dried up d1s I played on this website so far, and I like my position in it

Why do you think the list is meh, kirigiri? Any read you hard disagree on?

VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

I don't like his initial post about how he wanna make a list not the list itself. He went ahead and called everyone null anyway so why he had to make that forced comment about the "anticipate a read list when that guy starts posting"

and the issue is not that the game is dead, its mostly cause I'm like a zombie and really busy this weekend. I've been reading everything so far but didn't have any other thing sticking out to me so I didn't have my tools to follow up from multiple angles. But I get why you scum read that actually

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Anyway, Kokichi Oma's pushes feel like they have ulterior motives behind them.

I want you to elaborate on this one.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I also am not sure where is everyone going with the miller discussions.

A player claims miller. how is that too "specific" to not be claimed by scum? how is that a bad play if they are town?

its just a normal miller claim and I don't see anything we can get out of it by talking about it in day 1. I wish instead of that people would talk about their reads and how they feel about each other.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

yeah I agree the lich lead rist trademark has been the thing that's happening in the game. that and the miller claim, which are the two things kyoko doesn't want/likes to talk about. I think it's a little odd, seems like picking on the things that are moving the game forward in any direction.

I think trying a reads list this early is towny, shows eagerness to solve and whatnot. and as I said I like my position in it. normally I get strong townread by the scum cause I'm all looney in the thread and I think pocketing me isn't a very hard thing to do, but this game I wasn't being townread by anyone yet so it seems like an organic approach to my slot. I'm also feeling uneasy by kokichi but I'll try to re-read parts of the game and see if I can write some words about it. I thought it was peculiar that kokichi decided to position in my favour when herta scumread me for asking about the setup, but he didn't push herta for it or anything, so it seemed like just posturing which may or may not be uncharacteristic for kokichi.

I don't think teasing for giving a read list while you're waiting for nothing, when also the read list is mainly consistent of nothing cause there are nothing much to make a list from is towny.

"I will wait till last guy posts then will share you my read list about everyone when almost everyone is null"

that's not towny IMO.

and what about kokichi is making you uneasy?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Claiming miller instantly is how you play miller, no?

Also maybe I'm starting to townread aisa, seems like a happy bunny that's towning the thread with bouncy energy

Kinda thought you claim miller either late D1 or early D2

Claiming miller after a red check is too late however.

I assumed it was usual RVS stuff so I ignored it. If this is legit, then I don't see why they would wait until then? By that time they could be scumread and it would look worse. I don't see an issue with them claiming it now.

reading kokichi's ISO this interests me as well, that he'd think the miller claim could be 'usual RVS stuff'. do people usually claim miller in setups as a trolly way to introduce themselves in the thread?

Huh, this one is actually a good observation. I want to see how they respond to this

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

happy birthday drew and welcome to game

UNVOTE:

I want to sit this game out and watch how things develop a bit.

@Lich analyze the wagon on you, please. What do you think of each vote?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I want to sit this game out and watch how things develop a bit.

Not quite sure I like this, why do you feel the need to do this? You're not even one of the people who have talked the most?

Cause I feel like it mostly. I'm taking note of the different interactions that are happening.

I didn't say I sit the game out as I will be lurking. I'll still ask my questions when I have to and am analyzing stuff. And don't worry I'll be a lot more active a bit later

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Let's just say I'm not really worried about others solving me cause there might be no need for it so I'm waiting for more content to do detective work on that.

Your focus is better spent elsewhere.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Kokichi Oma's vote on me is scummy and the post afterward basically means they were rolefishing the universal miller claim

What do you mean "role fishing" the claim?

"The claim" is claimed already. what was there to role fish?

can you elaborate?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

My discard was vanilla town.

I know...

super important and most damning information right there but yes overall I'm not sure if its a good idea to claim discards either.

Do we know why they are almost all discarded anyway? I didn't have time to do the setup spec yet

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

yes

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

or maybe your assumption is wrong and I'm with a strong role \o/ whats bad about a good old wifom about something that doesn't matter at all.

Also the mod clearly said the discards will be public yet they were not. which means something interfered with it. I just didn't have time to check the 250 possible roles listed in that link they posted.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

yes

Lies.

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

I know I told the truth so you saying "lies" suggests you either attempt to frame me or you're misinterpreting something

guess its almost 96% of times the first so

VOTE: Enchant

guess claiming it was useful afterall

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

yes and I discarded it

and my alignment is a town so I discarded being a vanilla town.

UNVOTE:

lmao that was your "lies"?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

VOTE: kyoko

okay.

she also didn't obvtown yet. let's see what happens now.

mate

I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town

This is an awful reason to vote me for.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

yes and I discarded it

and my alignment is a town so I discarded being a vanilla town.

UNVOTE:

lmao that was your "lies"?

While it makes sense, i doubt you would say like that if you really received Vanilla.

this is the worst reason I've ever been scum read for lmao

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

that 4% really happened. I honestly saw it coming when you said "lies" but I was expecting way more lmao

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

regardless any wagon on my slot is a

complete distraction

as I said

If you insist I'll claim before you get me eliminated and it shows why then. but its just stupid as you will know why later in game \o/ I will not do any attempt to sort your reads on my slot otherwise, however.

so feel free to do whatever you want as long as you don't happy wagon and go lol hammering me

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I don't care if you care. Don't hammer me and things will be fine.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I don't care you don't care if i care.

and I don't care if you don't care that I don't care if you care.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enchant is probably town

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enchant since you seem like someone who read all roles in setup, do you know why the discards are hidden?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enchant since you seem like someone who read all roles in setup, do you know why the discards are hidden?

Role which hided discards in my ISO.

You mean meta janitor that you mentioned earlier? going to search for it on the role lists

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Best elim as of now due to having many associatives... Kokichi and Kyoko are very likely co-aligned

Kokichi Oma's vote on me is scummy and the post afterward basically means they were rolefishing the universal miller claim

What do you mean "role fishing" the claim?

"The claim" is claimed already. what was there to role fish?

can you elaborate?

can you respond to that question

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Multitargeting Meta Janitor

When you pick this card, give me a list of any number of players. All of these players will have their public discard redacted. You may self target.

yeah the reason I was interested to know more was because I was wondering why NM had their discard there.

So it means nothing for them based on this role

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

There was a point where Herta had only claimed Miller without extra info, and it seemed like Herta was pushed to actually claim that info

and how is this considered role fishing when it was about elaborating the miller claim itself and nothing extra with powers there might be?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I can't answer that question.

why? It's a simple question?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

mate

I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town

This is an awful reason to vote me for.

okay

@enchant how do you remember it just said 'vanilla' and why do you think saying 'vanilla townie' is some sort of lie?

You get alignment on top and then there are 2 roles (alignment less) you choose or discard from. so its like:
Town
1 - vanilla
2 - The ultimate cuties pie

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

there are samples of it on mod first posts too.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

did you pick a benign 3p over VT

you cant choose between alignments. You have your fixed alignment and can choose between two roles

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

locktowning kokichi I think. suspicion over kyoko is good. suspicion over lich I still don't see it but it might just be things people scumread other people for that I don't, so.

I think sharing discards is an interesting idea. but does it make our actual roles more likely to reveal? like, the strength of them. making the game easier for scum at night, and whatnot. and does it help our wincon as townies to share such a thing? I think I'm against it.

My discard was vanilla town.

I know...

super important and most damning information right there but yes overall I'm not sure if its a good idea to claim discards either.

Do we know why they are almost all discarded anyway? I didn't have time to do the setup spec yet

Umm. I thought this was a game everyone gets a role that's not VT? Unless I'm mistaken.

Well, I got at least one vanilla option so you are mistaken

there are a lot of vanilla listed in possible roles

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

considering that kokichi and kyoko have very strong associatives... my vote is on kokichi because kokichi is an outright openwolf (and not in a jestery way)

what are our strong "associatives"

and why is kokichi an "open wolf"

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

what are our strong "associatives"

and why is kokichi an "open wolf"

Your ISO is hard defending kokichi and you and kokichi are nearly impossible to tell apart

Kokichi is throwing out many scummy tactics and the associatives are strong and I see scummy mindset.

some examples:

68 - trying to sound NAI
76 - strange vote decision
248 - pocketing
249 - scummy mindset
316 - associative I believe, but only a weak one
347 - posturing and trying to avoid being the NK

But I have never ever defended kokichi in any context even though I town lean him \o/ I just

asked you about your reads on the slot

repeatedly which tbh I'm not still satisfied with.

half of those are role playing kokichi character of danganropnpa and in no context open wolfing just so you know btw

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

kyoko, is lich a wolf?

They seem extremely consistent with their faulty logics and the way they produce them.

I have been asking specific questions to see if they can hold up or drop their consistency act but I've got nothing yet.

I still think they are scummy but I don't have a solid read on them

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Meta-neighbor

You have access to a meta-neighborhood PT with another random player if this card is one of the role cards you can pick.

If this card is picked, the meta-neighborhood PT will remain open. However, if this card is not picked, the meta-neighborhood PT is locked at the start of pregame.

Someone should be able to confirm liches claim right now

even though it means absolutely nothing about their alignment as roles are separate from alignment

this discard also means nothing about alignment cause who wouldn't discard it:

Extension

You can bind yourself to someone at night, for that night.
Anything that happens to that player due to actions at night(including visits and results), except conversions, also happens to you(but not the other way around). You will always know the people you visit.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and that can be a role that scum has, right? just so we're clear

yes all roles are alignment-less

basically anyone can have any of the roles regardless of alignment in this setup

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)

I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him

My point was with his method not his reads. As he generates his reads with a certain consistent (illogical) process which means his attempts might be genuine.

Doesn't change that he is so fixated on his illogical connections and reads all the time and it can be motivated by a scum mind set.

so I'm like not super sold on the read either way

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

249 and 316 is the kind of distancing that only strengthens an associative.

And both of those are 90% role play and the other 10% can't be clarified as distancing at all.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I just realized there is only one multitasking role in the deck and that factions don't have multitasking by default. I think there's a lot to gain from coordinating, and I think it's better to use these early. I'ma claim.

Cloud Seeder

Twice per game during the day, choose one. It will be announced by the end of the day:

• Rain
  - Each player who uses a targeted action tonight will be announced tomorrow.
  
• Hail
  - All targeted actions passively fail tonight, and any limited abilities prevented this way will be refunded a shot if used.
  
• Fog
  - All targeted actions will be randomized tonight.
  
• Snow
  - Each player who is targeted by an action tonight will be announced tomorrow.

If we can't coordinate, I'm turning on hail for the next 2 days. Since it would stop all targeted abilities, that means no nightkills until N3. Drawback is, nothing targeted like cops until then either, but I think the good outweighs the bad. My ability activates during the day and since there are no day roleblockers, it will go through. Daylight Cult do get a factional daykill D2, though, so 1 in 13 chance of things going south with that option.

As fun as fog would be (especially if I got this role as scum!), I'm not choosing that option.

Depending on what roles we have, we should work with Rain or Snow. Rain could help us figure out if there's someone using a faction ability when they claim a passive ability. If we decide on targets, because of a lack of multitasking we can organize that and see who wasn't targeted but should have been (or at least get some information about what's going on there). Either way, as I said, my role works best with coordination and is difficult to disrupt (I'm painting a pretty big target on myself if groupscum is worried about this triggering twice). I want a massclaim so we can organize. If it doesn't happen, then I'll just be picking hail.

I'm not sure what to make of this pick.

Guess in response I have to claim that I have an action that will target someone and will do no harm to them. I would like if it would not fail but it would not make me heart broken if it does, and it getting redirected can also be fine. I won't clarify this further though.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

@MegAzumarill I'm pretty sure that I unvoted enchant

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

yes and I discarded it

and my alignment is a town so I discarded being a vanilla town.

UNVOTE:

lmao that was your "lies"?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Anyways, I'm not sure how to read gimli's defense of TL. I mean to agree that he has extremely low hanging fruit potential right now, with him not trying anything and sticking with his "reads" but I think gimli is going a bit too far with it. I guess it forms a counter wagon no matter what and it can be from either alignment genuinely but is something to consider.

now about choosing to push yume. a completely lurking slot is another low-hanging fruit, don't you agree?

I don't have any reason to scum read yume, but it's a slot I'm open for its elimination to progress the game. Guess we'll have more info with a night phase in this game and possibly with some flips.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

yeah I agree with your take about lich wagon which is why I didn't vote lich myself

my question is how is voting yume better

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Spoiler: Re: discussion of Herta's role

I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?

I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:

1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.

One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.

As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.

I think your understanding of most of the Miller roles is correct, but Herta's role just so happens to be an exception - the

official name

of the role is "Universal Miller", the role just

investigates

as e.g. Dark Creature to relevant Cops, and Vanilla to relevant Rolecops. If it helps, think of the Role as being named "Universally Suspicious Person" rather than "Universal Miller".

VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

Why not make some content yourself?

I'm a quite reactive player, I do better when people talk about stuff and I can engage, if the game is dead then I sleep.

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

That is interesting

@Kitykat any reason for the change of play style?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

kitty whats that role exactly?

what does it mean if you perform a non vigilant action it will kill?

that means if they targeting others with any non killing actions you will kill them?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

kitty whats that role exactly?

what does it mean if you perform a non vigilant action it will kill?

that means if they targeting others with any non killing actions you will kill them?

My role does nothing, unless if I am roleblocked or my target is healed by a doctor, is bulletproof, or whatever. Then it strongman-kills them.

I still don't get it. You target someone. if they are targeted with non killing actions they strongman die?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

if we flip yume instead then KT can still be a wolf and then kill someone we wouldn't and then go 'well i had a read' etc

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

We have less than 36 hours left of the day... so time pressure is starting to be a factor.

Kyoko still has an associative with Kokichi, 486 is not really a good case, and 435 is a very bad defense. Kokichi also appears to be getting townier with 567 being a good post.

is this like a joke to you?

486 is not even a case. Like why you're just random quoting stuff and calling them names just to have a read. 435 is also not a defense in any capacity.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

486 was me saying pushing yume is not so much better than pushing you if we consider you a low hanging fruit

how did you read that post and labeled it a case?

are you even reading?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

486 was me saying pushing yume is not so much better than pushing you if we consider you a low hanging fruit

how did you read that post and labeled it a case?

are you even reading?

okay but it's still not a good post... it is sort of a case on Gimli though.

yeah I'm done with this

VOTE: TemporalLich

A case on gimli? Really?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Curious as to why

I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

Uh oh! Better watch your words, Miss Detective!

I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
a fri end

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I want to see how eve ry one star t the ir day 2 bef ore that

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

may be cau se I like bein g funk yyy



sti ll you re the sca ry vig boy got a be car efu ll near the ult ima te yaku za

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

had to re upl oad it



any ways plea see scum read me eno ugh so I dont die with nig htk ills but dont go dum dum with it

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

But yes I can totally speak normally today sorry for making you all worried. We can continue that tomorrow

One can't be too careful right?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

Did I miss something where Kyo is blaming you for this, I assume, post restriction?

I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.

And why does that make you think I'm scum? elaborate

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.

Huh

Huh what.

what about it was scum motivated and what could I gain from it?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

Is she talking about your action with that post though? I feel like she may be softing some other kind of role

she's clearly fragmenting her posts in a way to play around my role
I legitimately submitted no action last night. So for her to be acting like I targeted her is shady as fuck to me.
Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.

I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked

I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine

Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.

It might be clear to you but it's not necessarily clear to anyone else; I think the way you claimed was fine. I feel like you're tearing yourself apart with this despite the fact that Kyoko hasn't said anything about that posting pattern being because of you. And if Kyoko does come out and say it, that will raise lots of questions.

What kind of questions

Rise them please

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I legitimately submitted no action last night.

Was there a reason for this?

I saw it was hailing?

That could have broke or
Marashu could have been lying.

To Group: Was there anyone else who didn't submit?

Thats such a scummy take from all that interaction. why you're interested in knowing that?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Yeah i hadnt thought it through before asking that.

sure

and what you think about everyone else in last page interactions?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.

Huh

Huh what.

what about it was scum motivated and what could I gain from it?

What

what was scum motivated for doing that post restriction/playing around fuyus claim. What would a scum gain from that interaction?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

cause you said Huh

what you saw there to Hah it

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

It was Fuyuhikos question, and i was expressing that i didnt understand it.

so you didn't understand where fuyuhiko was coming from?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I super soft-claimed my role and I won't elaborate on that anymore yet.

plus I am solving. Maybe not as hard as you would like cause I'm waiting for more events/conversations but I'm doing stuff. Testing Fuyuhikos was solving - maybe with some trolling added to it and small flavor of soft claiming.

regardless focusing on me is a waste for everyone as I also said on day 1, because what I am Is provable as soon as we have night phases but I guess you can be as skeptical about it as you want for now

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Like pay attention to the weight of my words and you'll notice that you don't have to care about me and preferably don't make me claim

I'm gonna prove to rest of town that I'm on their side with a bit of time. I just need time

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO

Remember danganronpa? The act of searching for hope is the true meaning of hope.

This is the mastermind's trap to get rid of me. This school's secrets will not be revealed if I die.

So I need you to trust me. Trust that all will be known with time. That town or 3P (that I'm not claiming or refuting now anymore so maybe it increases my life), the town should not worry about me.

Friends should believe in one another and I can prove that I'm your friend.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enough role play though

you gotta stop forcing me to soft anymore

if anyone is not convinced that I'm not a threat, you can just tell me and we can resolve this over night

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

you'll always be my potato

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.

It might be clear to you but it's not necessarily clear to anyone else; I think the way you claimed was fine. I feel like you're tearing yourself apart with this despite the fact that Kyoko hasn't said anything about that posting pattern being because of you. And if Kyoko does come out and say it, that will raise lots of questions.

What kind of questions

Rise them please

Questions like, how did it get through? Some sort of strongman ability? Or are you lying? What's the scum motivation for trying to say that you were post-restricted by Fuyuhiko? What words are actually censored? What's the motivation for Fuyuhiko targeting you but denying it? Are we in a game with an ability-copying role? Should we just 1-for-1 this because there is scum between you and Fuyuhiko? Those kinds of questions.

It's time to play my favorite game: Everyone give me your biggest scumread and the reason as to why. Best answer gets my vote

Right now I'm looking at Doctor Drew. Didn't like his reaction to the obviously very real and not at all troll guilties at day start. I remember vaguely thinking at the time of his entrance D1 that he was repeating similar opinions, but I would need to actually reread that part of the thread and not just look at ISO for it.

You know I was lying now. what's your conclusions/questions and why not ask them yet?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You know I was lying now. what's your conclusions/questions and why not ask them yet?

Those questions only really applied if you were actually claiming that you were post restricted through hail, though? So until you actually came out and accused Fuyuhiko (which you didn't), my questions there didn't matter. You've explained your reasoning for what you were doing. As for conclusions/questions, I can tell you were testing Fuyuhiko's role, but what did you glean out of Fuyuhiko's alignment from that?

That he is almost certainly telling the truth about his role and the way it works and that I liked his anger reaction.

What I found more interesting was how everyone else reacted there

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

or she is fakeclaiming 3p

A FRIEND

that's why she doesn't care about solving this mess

I'm alone in this game!!!!!! 3p kyoko will be the death of us

Can you tell me how this is a 3p claim?

I might be a sneaky friend a tad bit

a friend nonetheless and no one has to worry about me

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

UNVOTE: kyoko kirigiri
I don’t want to let her go that easily but I also need to think over her reaction test. Would like if she addressed my question I posed to her in Day 1.

Be back later.

what was the question? Im sorry no time for iso till later just skimming and comment on some stuff on phone

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Hmm, what would she get by doing that though? Seems like a silly thing to pretend, there's no way she doesn't get found out - if she thought that the person you targeted would get notified, then she would be expecting to get CC'd. I don't think that's her intention.

I think that regardless of her alignment she's having a play around with the fact that she is aware of your role. I don't think there are many universes in which she's actually like "ha ha let me pretend Fuyuhiko targeted me", that doesn't really go successfully in any case.

Spoiler:

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

Is she talking about your action with that post though? I feel like she may be softing some other kind of role

she's clearly fragmenting her posts in a way to play around my role
I legitimately submitted no action last night. So for her to be acting like I targeted her is shady as fuck to me.
Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.

I actually believe you have this role now so my small test worked

I also love how you're furious. It looks genuine

Now tell me what you think of how others reacted to your sudden push on me?

@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?

Meanwhile,
VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

ok this is weird

how you got from those arguments and questions to vote fuyuhiko?

what gave the impression that I "know fuyuhiko". Also wy you asking about what is "town indicative" in his posting? burden of proof is if you wanna work on a scumread, to find for reasons to scum read someone.

this just doesn't make sense.

As for your question, I am pretty much null on the slot. I think them claiming their true role outright was town + and I'm happy with how they reacted so far about me playing with that claim.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

@Kyoko, sounds like you know Fuyuhiko. What do you think is town-indicative about Fuyu's posting?
Can you also tell me what kind of reactions you were envisioning with your test?

Meanwhile,
VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Why this vote when you asked for answer right before voting?

I think it's because of our purple hair colors.

yes, that should be it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Mara, can you clarify what you mean by 'repeating similar opinions'? I skimmed the thread somewhat before I replaced in, and then a bit more after I officially joined, those were my quick slight observations about the game at the time.

And as far as my reaction to enchant and not Mafia. I saw the two guiltys right in a row, first was confused of the false guiltys and then why they posted basically at the same time. Then remembered it was hailing and really thought I caught scum in some sort of gambit, which is why I kept saying that besides me being town, there is one other big reason why this is impossible. Then I realized it was all probably a reaction test, and trolling by Not Mafia, and I stopped paying attention to it, especially after Not Mafia said he was a gunsmith.

I feel a bit dumb I didn't immediately think reaction test first, but not the first time that has happened sadly lol.

wait so you believed they were giving a "fake" guilty on you and you didn't react to them. Do you mean you remembered hail before starting to post today or after you posted few stuff?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

may be cau se I like bein g funk yyy



sti ll you re the sca ry vig boy got a be car efu ll near the ult ima te yaku za

I only really gave indication I suspected you today I think? So jumping to this with me felt improper, even outside the hail situation.

Why does it matter when you gave an indication of suspecting me?

What I did was using the vote you did on me to have some fun and see how everyone react at same time.

rare opportunities

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

any ways eno ugh soft clai ming

I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it

Hang the fuck on
Why are you acting like this? I wouldn’t have been able to target you, and you wouldn’t even know if I had!

Did I miss something where Kyo is blaming you for this, I assume, post restriction?

I don’t believe it’s a post restriction, I think she’s trying to play around a presumed action that I did not take.

And why does that make you think I'm scum? elaborate

Because it felt like you were shading me. By trying to make it look like I took an action I couldn’t have, you implicated I had some workaround for Marashu’s role. But since I legitimately submitted no action, and you wouldn’t have been informed if I had, there was no tangible reason for you to believe I had targeted you.

Exactly, everyone knows you couldn't have targeted me with that. So how could that be a shading attempt?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enough role play though

you gotta stop forcing me to soft anymore

if anyone is not convinced that I'm not a threat, you can just tell me and we can resolve this over night

I’m willing to give you one good chance to confirm yourself.

as I said you don't have to worry about me. in day phases or night phases. Sooner or later it will become clear completely.

I'm pretty much a huge distraction and it's easily provable that I'm not a threat.

Not sure why people care so much about that soft now.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Drew seems to be the best argument for vote so far. No one else really gave a scumread though. So by default you win for now, Mara!

VOTE: Drew

What about Gimli’s case against Kyoko?

He just called me 3p cause I used the word friend in my soft. how is that a case?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

kyoko, what did you mean by 'if actions went through I'm already clear'? what in this god forsaken game can possibly clear you?

My charming personality of course.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I feel like Herta and Aisa have been posting in bad faith today.

Kinda agree. The vote on you came out of left field

I kinda triple agree.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Couldnt check game this morning. Will check things out later tonight

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still haven't read anything past 2 days and I need to prod doge again shamelessly. real life is hard on me. I will definitely catch up tomorrow morning however

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Alright I give up hope on you all

I'm not gonna read all your case on me. Nor I care about your vote on me.

I'm not in town. I'm 3p but won't say which yet. Guess setup freaks might be able to get that. What I am is a modified friendly neighbor and I can prove by action that I'm no threat to town and mafia.

Litteraly no one has to do anything to me. Discussing me during day phase, using actions against me etc are all useless and a distraction for you as I said day 1 and day 2.

I can win with all of you. Just leave me be

I don't know how to soft harder than that that I'm a friendly neighbor and I can prove I'm not a threat. Like I don't know

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

lol auto correct changed I'm not town to I'm not in town

funny

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

+ I also need to find scum

Not interested in getting them eliminated necessarily and I would not mind if they win.

But I gotta find them for reasons so I have been scum hunting when I had time in the game for real. maybe just not as open as I am as town with it, cause I'm not town.

you happy now gimli?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I have been softing this so hard since day 1

it actually wasn't softing anymore. It was already pretty much harding it lol

so whatevs

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

+ I also need to find scum

Not interested in getting them eliminated necessarily and I would not mind if they win.

But I gotta find them for reasons so I have been scum hunting when I had time in the game for real. maybe just not as open as I am as town with it, cause I'm not town.

you happy now gimli?

do you think kuzu is town?

Not really sure about his alignment but I'm sure his claim is true as I was actually testing him there and I think his reaction to it was genuine.

Town seems to have too much firepower though. Mass rb + 2 vigs doesn't sound right even for madness.

I wouldn't be shocked if scum has an extra kill role beside their factional

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

@kitty if neext post of yours is not unvoting me you and I gonna have a problem

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

so you lied about your discard

No my discard was actually Vanila it just has no alignment but I said vt cause of habbit

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Like yes I lied about my alignment but its a game of mafia. you don't play the game claiming you're not town

you know....!!?!!!

Why does it matter

I'm a friendly neighbor I can target people and let them know I can win with them. town or scum. Just gotta let me be. I'm irrelevant to you as I've been saying since the very start of day 1

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

a vanilla 3p?

enchant, can this be a thing?

Of course, it can be. It was one of my two options but I discarded it.

Roles and alignments are separate. Me being a friendly neighbor doesn't mean I'm town. If I was vanilla it wouldn't mean I was town either.

Just read the setup ...

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

BTW I wanted to tell you all this but couldn't do so pre claim

There is a chance that Herta is in actual scum group as universal miller and that way they would pass as a hurtless 3p

You need to consider that option in this setup

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I am no serial killer.

I have no killing action.

I'm in peace with all and can win with everyone. Not many 3ps are like that in this setup

But what I claim is provable with my ability (its a freaking modified friendly neighbor that basically targets people to tell them I can win with them) so you all can just forget me and continue your work by focusing on everyone else.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Kyoko, are you

Dictator

?

I prefer to not claim what 3p I am

and its pretty much irrelevant anyway cause I have the ability to prove that you don't have to worry about it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Alright I give up hope on you all

I'm not gonna read all your case on me. Nor I care about your vote on me.

I'm not in town. I'm 3p but won't say which yet. Guess setup freaks might be able to get that. What I am is a modified friendly neighbor and I can prove by action that I'm no threat to town and mafia.

Litteraly no one has to do anything to me. Discussing me during day phase, using actions against me etc are all useless and a distraction for you as I said day 1 and day 2.

I can win with all of you. Just leave me be

I don't know how to soft harder than that that I'm a friendly neighbor and I can prove I'm not a threat. Like I don't know

WELL TECHICALLY our cases are correct, because you are not town.

Man I was almost hard claiming that I'm friendly neighbor.

Do you want me to show you all posts with that soft

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Alright I give up hope on you all

I'm not gonna read all your case on me. Nor I care about your vote on me.

I'm not in town. I'm 3p but won't say which yet. Guess setup freaks might be able to get that. What I am is a modified friendly neighbor and I can prove by action that I'm no threat to town and mafia.

Litteraly no one has to do anything to me. Discussing me during day phase, using actions against me etc are all useless and a distraction for you as I said day 1 and day 2.

I can win with all of you. Just leave me be

I don't know how to soft harder than that that I'm a friendly neighbor and I can prove I'm not a threat. Like I don't know

WELL TECHICALLY our cases are correct, because you are not town.

also I'm definitely not scum though

And pretty much the distraction that you all fell for it anyway.

Hopefully, you will play the game more productively now that I hard claimed.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

also I'm definitely not scum though

And pretty much the distraction that you all fell for it anyway.

Hopefully, you will play the game more productively now that I hard claimed.

Issue is that you still wield vote and you are not really cooperating if you withholding something, especially with you expressing how we suck.
I think in critical moment you just will scumside, helping them achieve majority faster.


Therefore, why we should risk it?

trust me that is better for the town as well if I don't claim what is my alignment exactly

But if everyone insists I might tell

I don't know why would you want to do that though when my claim is already confirmable to you all

Plus I might not town side in a critical condition, but I certainly won't scum the side either. I'm just in peace with everyone and doing my own harmless thing pretty much.

like literally to any town I'm the top tier confirmed town state and to scum I'm just a harmless let them be state and I intend to prove to both town and scum that I'm not a threat by using my action. That wont mean I'll scum side. I don't have a side and wont ever get one cause sides aint my jam

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

we can do two things here

1) work kyoko as a compromise vig shot on n2. say we flip kuzu and he is mafia. killing kyoko serves us well, because her ENTIRE equity itg is scum or 3p. we don't lose one of ours. now, if we flip kuzu and he is actually town, then IDK if shooting her is good, because I think her 3p equity is big, since that claim outs her if another 3p flips (I think?). meaning scum shouldn't claim 3p. but she can be a traitor role etc with a neighboring modifier. who tf knows.

2) change hail for whatever ability shows all the targeted. it would require our full claims. we'd learn kyoko's 3p for sure, and she could pick our TOWNIEST PERSON ITG for her target. that way she'd win with town and we'd all be happy with that. at some point the towniest person needs to be resolved so we know she is winning with us. so, it's a thing.

So your plan is to shoot someone who just claimed they have a role that can confirm to you that they can win alongside you?

Are you serious?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

That is pretty much throwing the game you understand right?

Town is already 2 members down. and you suggest to kill someone whose not in any capacity a threat to you and can prove it

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

you're the only person itg with 0 town equity

Mate

I'M NOT TOWN. and I wasn't hiding it. I'm basically a natural 3p as natural it can be.

whats the point of shooting me when I can target you and say I'm winning the game with you.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

there is nothing good about shooting someone who claimed that they are friendly neighbor lmao

Not as a compromise not as a real shot.

you're actually throwing for even suggesting it as an option.

pedit: yeap,

The reason I didn't hard claim earlier was because I wanted to target someone first and then make them confirm me with it. but seeing you all being the way you are and not getting my softs made me claim fully.

also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?

are you trying to be eliminated?

No, I just need to survive

don't blame a girl for tryin

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Spoiler:

BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO

Remember danganronpa? The act of searching for hope is the true meaning of hope.

This is the mastermind's trap to get rid of me. This school's secrets will not be revealed if I die.

So I need you to trust me. Trust that all will be known with time. That town or 3P (that I'm not claiming or refuting now anymore so maybe it increases my life), the town should not worry about me.

Friends should believe in one another and I can prove that I'm your friend.

Like pay attention to the weight of my words and you'll notice that you don't have to care about me and preferably don't make me claim

I'm gonna prove to rest of town that I'm on their side with a bit of time. I just need time

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

Uh oh! Better watch your words, Miss Detective!

I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
a fri end

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Curious as to why

I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

and that can be a role that scum has, right? just so we're clear

yes all roles are alignment-less

basically anyone can have any of the roles regardless of alignment in this setup

did you pick a benign 3p over VT

you cant choose between alignments. You have your fixed alignment and can choose between two roles

mate

I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town

This is an awful reason to vote me for.

okay

@enchant how do you remember it just said 'vanilla' and why do you think saying 'vanilla townie' is some sort of lie?

You get alignment on top and then there are 2 roles (alignment less) you choose or discard from. so its like:
Town
1 - vanilla
2 - The ultimate cuties pie

regardless any wagon on my slot is a

complete distraction

as I said

If you insist I'll claim before you get me eliminated and it shows why then. but its just stupid as you will know why later in game \o/ I will not do any attempt to sort your reads on my slot otherwise, however.

so feel free to do whatever you want as long as you don't happy wagon and go lol hammering me

Let's just say I'm not really worried about others solving me cause there might be no need for it so I'm waiting for more content to do detective work on that.

Your focus is better spent elsewhere.

Marashu doesn't seem scum

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me

What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?

Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now

I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?

so the setup can have multiple group scums or solo scums. Some of these scum can only win solo/against town and some can have roles that let them win alongside everyone else - I mean they can win with either town or the evil typical scums

check all those posts day 2 and day 1 and tell me you still don't believe me.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

cause I'm pretty sure no one could have claimed this in a more obvious way then me without actually claiming it

and why do you even need to trust me? I have the most definite confirmable action ever.

literally what everyone gotta do is to just leave me be

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

One of the reasons I broke my words like that (besides trolling a bit and seeing how fuyuhiko/others react to it) was cause I wanted to make my hard soft claiming look scummier to not get myself killed over nothing.

pedit: Look I'm not gonna BS you or anyone else. I will win for my win condition and to get there I also need to find scum. I don't want people dead. I can work with everyone being alive tbh. I just wanna do my own thing which can help both town and scum, but will help town more.

If its more reassuring for you, you can develop a system for my vote that's based on majorities opinion and I'll follow it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

BTW I wanted to tell you all this but couldn't do so pre claim

There is a chance that Herta is in actual scum group as universal miller and that way they would pass as a hurtless 3p

You need to consider that option in this setup

Would it have to be a groupscum faction?

Well herta is not 3p. and I doubt we have two 3p groups in this significantly small multi faction game alongside a group scum

so herta is either town or main group scum and can be either with the miller claim.

I just wanted to tell you that the role makes sense for group scum too cause I've been thinking about it

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enchant

are you sure you want me to fully claim my alignment too? cause me full claiming is worse for town.

Its so annoying that you cant just do the right thing and accept the friendly neighbor aspect of my role and leave your "elo concerns" for later in game at the very least where me claiming won't have any effect on me or town.

Can I tell you that its really easier for me to win with town by default and you believe me? Otherwise why would I have been playing the way I did - so in open with my claim.

pedit: I want to ideally target both town and scum with my friendly neighbor in the next night phases which is gonna be hard.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

pedit: I want to ideally target both town and scum with my friendly neighbor in the next night phases which is gonna be hard.

I don’t think this is as good of a plan as you might.

yeah but I might not have so much of a choice with it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I suggest you read your win condition again, Kyoko.

I know what it is

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

seriously though. I'm a freaking friendly neighbor

20 pages later after I said I can confirm to you all that I'm not a threat, and I'm still the most discussed player in game.

You guys are awesome in this game.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

if you wanna buy me new boots, I gotta tell you that my favorite color is purple

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.

if she is a bad 3p instead of what she is claiming, we might not know until too late. I think you're scum so it doesn't matter that you're shading me over it.

How can I be a bad 3p and have a role that can confirm I can win alongside the town?

bad 3ps win alone

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

there arent many options that can fit my claim/confirmable role and none are bad in any way for the town.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

alright

I'm not a dictator either.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

alright

I'm not a dictator either.

Then I fail to see how you are not a threat.

cause I'm not and I have a confirmable role that shows it?!!!

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

alright

I'm not a dictator either.

Then I fail to see how you are not a threat.

cause I'm not and I have a confirmable role that shows it?!!!

I don’t trust you to play to help town at this point so you have to die.

sure sure. I might not help town

BUT what gave the impression that I in any capacity hurt town that I have to die?

You have to eliminate the scum and I'm clearly not one. The setup confirms it litteraly.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

voting for a friendly neighbor amazing

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

voting for a friendly neighbor amazing

As I see it Friendly Neighbor is explicitly a town role. So if you’re claim 3p, you’re not FN.

Modified Friendly Neighbor

Each night you may target a player.
If you could possibly win with them simultaneously, they will receive a message saying you win with them.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I literally said modified part two thousand times already.

and been sorting this since day 1

what are you on about?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

softing* stupid auto correct

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Alright I give up hope on you all

I'm not gonna read all your case on me. Nor I care about your vote on me.

I'm not in town. I'm 3p but won't say which yet. Guess setup freaks might be able to get that. What I am is a

modified friendly neighbor

and I can prove by action that I'm no threat to town and mafia.

Litteraly no one has to do anything to me. Discussing me during day phase, using actions against me etc are all useless and a distraction for you as I said day 1 and day 2.

I can win with all of you. Just leave me be

I don't know how to soft harder than that that I'm a friendly neighbor and I can prove I'm not a threat. Like I don't know

I am no serial killer.

I have no killing action.

I'm in peace with all and can win with everyone. Not many 3ps are like that in this setup

But what I claim is provable with my ability (its a freaking modified friendly neighbor that basically targets people to tell them I can win with them) so you all can just forget me and continue your work by focusing on everyone else.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

enchant: we're not flipping kyoko now but we might have to eventually.

I am very confident that you will not have to flip me ever. Please trust me.

Just as I said trust me that I can confirm that I'm not a threat town.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I didn’t see anything about “modified”. I might be willing to buy it but saying you stated it repeatedly when I don’t remember it ever coming up feels disingenuous.

How could you not see what I'm claiming? It was in every single post of mine

how could you trust it initially and then scum read it if you didn't understand its not traditional town friendly neighbor?

It makes no sense

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I didn’t see anything about “modified”. I might be willing to buy it but saying you stated it repeatedly when I don’t remember it ever coming up feels disingenuous.

How could you not see what I'm claiming? It was in every single post of mine

how could you trust it initially and then scum read it if you didn't understand its not traditional town friendly neighbor?

It makes no sense

I don’t see how my progression on you doesn’t make sense? I thought you were playing a way that would be helpful to town, but you ended up coming off as more self-interested to the point of being a complete wild-card, so my feelings on you turned for the worse.

I am asking what you thought my claim initially was?

it seems that you said you thought it was a traditional friendly neighbor at first while also believing my 3p claim. then you came up with line "FN is for town so you cant be FN"

That's filled with paradox.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and explain why you think I won't help town?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and explain why you think I won't help town?

It was worse when I thought you were dictator, but if you’re townsiding why do you need to let scum know you can with with them?

I had been upfront about that actually. I wanna play to my win condition more than anything else, and this win condition is the most peaceful one that there is for a 3p. I just need to do my own thing and not die by scum or town in meanwhile. I don't have a killing action. I'm just gonna play my own game.

In the meantime, my existence will help both town and scum partially at points but going after me is a waste for either side as I am not a threat.

That is me being 100% honest about it when with a role like what I had I could keep quite and not tell anything and just gain false credit about it.

if that is not town siding while also persuing my own goals then what it is?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

And I will not claim my alignment unless if you force me to, which is a mistake for town to force me for that claim at this point of game as its bad for me and for town to claim that

The fact that you know I'm not a threat to town because of my FN role, is already enough to ensure you should give me space for a while since town is never in any kind of danger by me.

pedit: oh? How am I? elaborate please

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I didn’t have a solid impression of your claim at first. When I started digging for possible alignments you could be, I grew more skeptical of your trustworthiness since I saw Dictator as the only logical thing you could be which made me distrust you’re secretive nature about the exact 3p alignment you were.

Getting this streaight

So you thought I'm Dictator with traditional FN and suddenly after I said I'm not dictator, you went with the line "FN is only for town" and discarded my claim?

How did being dictator with traditional FN make sense in first place?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

And I will not claim my alignment unless if you force me to, which is a mistake for town to force me for that claim at this point of game as its bad for me and for town to claim that

The fact that you know I'm not a threat to town because of my FN role, is already enough to ensure you should give me space for a while since town is never in any kind of danger by me.

pedit: oh? How am I? elaborate please

You specifically stated you wanted to target scum. That means you can win with them, meaning you pose a potential threat to the town.
I never explicitly said Enchant was wrong about you being possibly treacherous in endgame, I only said I thought you could be locked into townsiding.

I can win with anyone in game yes. Its what I've been claiming past 5 pages and sorting since day 1.

You cant lock me but with nature of my role, you wont have to care about me making decisions about who wins. Enough of that though, This is not even close to endgame that this narrative is getting pushed - for now I'm a friendly a neighbor and absolutely not a threat.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

softing

Omg I hate this auto correct

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Kyoko is clearly being disingenuous. Sorry Kyoko. You keep saying that you can confirm that you can win with both town and scum and, as such, are no threat to anyone. You're conflating being able to win with town

under certain circumstances

with

never

being a threat to the town. It's called a third party for a reason; if your wincon aligned with town perfectly you'd be a happy fluffy town unicorn or something.

For all purposes, you can consider me out of the game and solve the game without me. While I have to also solve the game and find scum for "another reason".

Because of the nature of my win condition, the game won't get to a point where I have to decide between town or scum to win.

I also told you that if you're worried about my vote in meanwhile you can make a setup and control it as you wish. I wont mind.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and yes, I can confirm that I can win with both town and scum

and yes, I am really no threat to anyone (well depending on what you define a threat, but I wont have almost any direct effect on who wins this game)

I just wanna survive and win too and that's me being 200% honest.

I get that you're worried about what might happen late game, but town need to focus on killing scum right now. I am a distraction and my friendly neighbor role is proof of it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

Oh fuck it.

I'm a pirate and I need to plunder all living alignments in game. if I do I'll leave the game entirely. its a role steal.

I was intending to steal gimli's role town or scum his claim was that its a useless role anyway.

that's why I have to target scum too

and I wont be here in elo to decision make. If I am, I'm more interested to town side then for sure than to scum side cause of nature of my role.

its bad to claim this for town cause I could have absorbed scum role before claiming anything

but if you wanna just threaten me with vigging, at least have all the facts.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

thats why I said consider me dead for all purposes and focus on scum hunting. eliminating me doesn't change anything for town nor it will for scum

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Kyoko, I want to ask this (again) now that we have more info:
Why did you choose to act like you were affected by my role? I think I can see a new logic to you doing it and I’d like if you could confirm or deny it.

I was genuinely just acting out to see people's reactions. I was thinking maybe I can test if you claimed rightfully or not, and see who catches it.

plus I was being a bit playful - was also softing my role HARD so wanted it a bit hidden in all that "mode"

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Spoiler:

Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.

I feel like she’s been incredibly upfront about what she’s capable of and that means her claim is probably true. So she’s a bad push imo, and Gimli has been going after her potentially all game, with extremely wild cases that indicate he’s willing to resort to any means necessary to make his push go through. I don’t like any of that, and he’s basically in desperation mode at this point because Aisa is the leading vote rather than his pet suspicion Kyoko.

Based on who Kyoko targets, she may be locked into winning with the town. My one question is whether she has to live to win.
Also, I very much suggest not hailing tonight.

alright

I'm not a dictator either.

Then I fail to see how you are not a threat.

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

voting for a friendly neighbor amazing

As I see it Friendly Neighbor is explicitly a town role. So if you’re claim 3p, you’re not FN.

I wanna keep my vote on fuyuhiko because I still don't get this progression. You failed to see I claimed a modified FN , thought it was regular FN, thought it works with dictator and then made that last post about how FN is not for 3P.

It just doesn't make sense. if you had issues with my FN claim, you would notice it since you noticed I hard claimed it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

anyways your friendly neighbor captain kyoko kirigiry is about to sleep.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You again lied. That's not third party.

Yeah, so Kirigiri is groupscum not third party. And there are others (If I'm reading this right.) Herta is likely another since he's the Miller.

I am in a group of naturalls.

My win condition is basically

to find one of each that is left alive

, and to town side in elo cause I will win with town if all scum are eliminated - like normal town (if I manage to plunder a town - which I have every intention to)

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Now that I understand that Kirigiri is a groupscum not 3p I am not as against them being the vote/vig today. I think I would prefer the vig since we guarantee that we hit 1 scum and we have a chance of voting scum out too.

I think Hail is 100% a must today as I was saying earlier.

did you even read what I claimed and how I win?

you need to remove actual group scum.

how am I in your way that you need me removed and waste a day for? literally worst case scenario, I'll just leave the game on my own

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

But if we kill both pirates before they get one of each side, then they lose. So it's very much to their advantage to work with town.

And I am? hence why I claimed even though I have a role that I could just take load of credit for without doing nothing?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Faction Introduction:

Pirates

Pirates

have a factional Complex Combined Vanillaiser/ Role Cop action. (the target will lose all personal abilities and the

Pirate

performing their action will learn their role. This fails if used on a vanilla role.

Pirates

win when at least 1 player from each other alignment still alive in the game has been successfully plundered and at least one

Pirate

is alive.
A

Pirate

win causes all members of that faction to leave the game victorious and the rest of the game to continue.
Additional Info:
Cop: Maritime Cop
Godfather: Pirate Captain
Miller: Sailor
Mason: Coast Guard

Factional Concept by KittyTacky

(Note that since this post is a faction introduction it should be treated as "Vanilla" if rolled for a role.)

if the pirates have a factional vanillaiser/role cop, then they must certainly share a PT.

we do share a pt. I know who the other pirate is.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.

Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.

I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.

MAN both being pirate and being a friendly neighbor are CONFIRMABLE as hell

How do you guys not see it.

You just gotta give it a night

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You again lied. That's not third party.

Its a third party based on that win condition

Am I the only one seeing it that pirates are doomed to town side?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.

Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.

I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.

the thing is: there aren't more than 3 factions in the game. there are guaranteed 3 factions. 'another 3p', 'make whatever you want of the setup', those aren't saying she is not the only pirate. those are saying she is not the only third party (when she is not third party, she is benign groupscum allegedly). I think it's possible that she is lying because of that.

Couldn't I have found something to lie about that wasn't this obviously confirmable ?!

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

Oh fuck it.

I'm a pirate and I need to plunder all living alignments in game. if I do I'll leave the game entirely. its a role steal.

I was intending to steal gimli's role town or scum his claim was that its a useless role anyway.

that's why I have to target scum too

and I wont be here in elo to decision make. If I am, I'm more interested to town side then for sure than to scum side cause of nature of my role.

its bad to claim this for town cause I could have absorbed scum role before claiming anything

but if you wanna just threaten me with vigging, at least have all the facts.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

Pirate is groupscum! lmfao. You can take roles off townies, and there are more townies in-game than scum.

VOTE: Kyoko

I just want to take the most useless roles town have just to win with town... It's literally in the post.

and I don't kill any town. I just vanalize as I'll be trying and vanalizing scum afterward

I am forced to town side in elo because of the nature of my role in nearly every scenario

Just think for 2 seconds about the claim for the love of god

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Also, what is all this discussion about me being group scum?

We are not group scum. We are a group natural (hence why I called myself 3p) and definitely on side of town. We just need to survive enough to find and vanalize of each currently existing factions. means We either win with town in end game or we leave game earlier vanlizing a scum (and a useless town role).

Just cause there are 2 of us that makes us evil somewhat? like we might be pirates but piracy is actually a very decent, hard-working, under-appreciate job. We might be thieves but going against us is basically wasting your resources in every single aspect. We're honest people doing honest work and we just wanna take part in your win.

--------

ps. the other pirate might not be willing to claim, but I leave this to their discretion. I'm certainly not allowed to claim for someone else. Worst case scenario you'll kill them and confirm what I claimed or they leave along side me when we win. So consider us dead for all purposes (but part of your team/victory)

You have to focus on finding real scum here.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Also let me give you a hint. The people who will/are pushing for eliminating pirates during day at this point are probably the actual scum.

Only scum benefits from getting rid of us during day, cause we're a waste of shots during night for them.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Pirates have NO way to scum side. Literally None

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

we either leave naturally (and expose a lot of info to the town regardless) or will win with town.

How can we scum side?

Our existence just means you have less time than you thought for actually finding real scum, and you can't do anything about it cause it was like that since when the game started.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

getting rid of us will not increase your time. will simply shorten it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Also, what is all this discussion about me being group scum?

I mean, the category in the setup is called Benign Groupscum...

I agree that this can be resolved later. I think it'll come out if you are lying about being a pirate, but for now I'm at least willing to work with claimed pirates. I assume you're willing to call your plunders once the hail lifts?

You’ll also note Marashu is in there; I honestly don’t see why he isn’t in the discussion as a possible suspect.

Part of why I volunteered to be pirate plunder on N3. There's a good chance I'll be NK'd, but even if scum decide to shoot for more active roles, then I'll be point A of effectively a parity cop, and if the pirates find scum and leave, that'll make it easy enough to resolve my slot. Plus, because I'll be out of shots, it won't be as disruptive to town as if they would plunder another town role.

I don't know. It might be Gimli? Or Herta? VOTE: Gimli

never judge a book by its cover?

the name is clearly misleading in this case. We don't win on our own, nor we can sabotage town victory to gain our own. Our win condition makes us work with you all toward the same goals. It's by definition a natural slot with the design and win condition, not scum.

and how people are pushing for it cause of where designers categorized it is the worst reason ever

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Is like calling a survivor bengin. even worse cause pirates are pushing to vanalize the scum...

its not like you're talking about a group of serial killers that you call them group scum. We don't kill anyone. we just wanna win too.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Herta could be a pirate. If herta looked at the picks and saw must-pick miller, herta didn't need to worry about how the pick affected alignment. Then, per steps 6 and 8 of the setup which say that faction PTs are given after all discards are resolved, herta finds out about the faction via PT. I honestly believe Herta didn't see the faction in the original pick PM, which means that herta thinking scum was assigned after the picks might be a scumslip. But that's my tinfoil theory.

At this point, I don't even know.

I already talked about this before but herta isn't a pirate. I said they are not 3p clearly and I know that there arent more 3p cause we're already 2 and I doubt we have more 3p in this small game beside the pirates.

I think their universal miller will help them blend in as one of us if detected so it makes sense to have that miller role as scum here too.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

can you show the posts in which you think they scum slipped with thinking alignments were assigned post picking?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I think there is a chance they ignored the alignment on top picked miller as they had no other choice and then figured they are town/scum

not sure how is that part AI though. its pretty wifom

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

did you even read my posts

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

did you even read my posts

Do you confirm Doctor Drew as your teamPirate

do you guys wanna ask me one by one? lol

But since he claimed it, I'm just gonna go ahead and confirm that NM is telling the truth about being a pirate.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Pirates can scumside, and it's not really hard either.

But they are really low priority now.

yeah

they cant

They need to scum hunt and target one to have a chance to win in a game scum might win later on. That means they need to vanalize a scum and find one at the very least

being pirate means two winning scenarios:

1 - endgame, town side and win with town. If its endgame and you side with scum you loose cause you end game without targeting all living factions.
2 - target all factions earlier and leave game.

Now your turn tell me where I'm wrong with this and how can pirates scum side

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and you think group scum will outright claim they are scum in that scenario to get pirates to work with them? what if remaining town has a protection?

That is such a stupidly bold plan for group scum to follow in such scenarios when they can just try to get a town miselimed classical way, and have us leave game to win.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

did you even read my posts

Do you confirm Doctor Drew as your teamPirate

do you guys wanna ask me one by one? lol

But since he claimed it, I'm just gonna go ahead and confirm that NM is telling the truth about being a pirate.

were you impressed I POE'd down your team mate correctly?

and people wanna flip me, kyoko. tell them I'm town

If he wasn't my partner I might have played the game as 3p entirely differently tbh

but yes. great job

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Drew is pirate.

I just said he isn't

pirates are me and NM

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

I could be wrong about kokichi, but I think the way he is engaging with the thread is an honest one. doesn't protect any slot, has the right amount of confidence in the things he is saying, etc. it really just strikes me as a townie. do you disagree? are you scumreading him? I remember you were townreading him or at least being protective about him on d1 (I thought it was pocketing (maybe it was pocketing since you're a pirate)).

I was asking TL about his kokichi read not protecting him/pocketing him. My questions were about how TL sees the game and it was a genuine attempt to sort TL. I was really reluctant to go there cause I was thinking he is really persistent in his weird ways of sorting the game but then he started doing really weird things, like calling random posts of mine cases and stuff so I thought maybe he is a scum in shambles cause of heat.

I am rather confused about him today. Generally speaking, I liked his reaction to my softs, but I hated his reactions to my full claim. Like I think he didn't try to analyze what I claimed there.

+ I don't see him trying to "Move" the game in any direction which is unlike what I saw in our recent game that was also playing (haunted villa). I remember him being quite the voice about whats best course there, especially on day 2.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

the second and third paraghraphs are about kokichi

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I only confirm NM alignment. I will not talk about his role. Make whatever you want with it.

did you even read my posts

Yes that's why I changed my mind.

Care to elaborate?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

oh I read that totally wrong first time. carry on

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

for the record, the fact we're pirates is easily confirmable when people get vandalized and we get to use their roles combined with my friendly neighbor

You don't have to kill us for that reason.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I feel like Gimli’s entire strategy here is take take the focus off of legitimate suspects like Drew and Aisa and put it on town players.
We are not flipping Herta today. Either vote me out or vote in my PoE.

why is herta town

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

vanalized omg the autocorrect

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

pure setup spec here and I have no idea what I'm talking about cause I don't get how roles were distributed at all

btw if roles arent random like alignments, then KT's version of vig could be the way how scum could continue killing during hails as a utility intended by mod

so guess @enchant, did we get utilities randomly or does role part of stuff had a design?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Then why in the world would you not be okay with voting Drew?

I'll ask the most asked question of this game: have you played with not_mafia before?

Yes, but Kirigiri confirmed them as other Pirate which at least gives some credit to the claim

Do not give credit to stuff on my behalf when I explicitly said I won't be involved in it. I confirmed him as a pirate. I wont be talking about his role.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

So now you think I'm scummy because I said you were group scum? Because you werent scumreading me before

well I'm not group scum. I'm in group of naturals.

and no, I didn't say I scum read you. let alone for it to be for that reason

I just asked why he town reads you. I am feeling you're not playing the way kokichi played in day 2 of last game and it makes me uneasy. I was hoping with a more certainty/you driving people/you understanding what each claim has to be and not asking for naturals to die when town desperately needs actual scum to die

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You again lied. That's not third party.

Its a third party based on that win condition

Am I the only one seeing it that pirates are doomed to town side?

I think in the setup you’re defined as groupscum which is Kokichi’s point but you’re more of a third party, akin to Mimes (faction that wins if all members get voted out). Mastermind would be a third party that functions more like a groupscum, as a complement to the discussion.
As for being doomed to townside, depending the circumstances of the game I’d call scumsiding more probable simply by there being less scum than town and thus if the scum gets obliterated early the pirates have to impede the town in order to win. I’ll get into this more when discussing my practical plan for this game.

If pirates don't leave game earlier and end up in an end game situation, that means they haven't pirated one of living factions already. which means they logistically cant side with scum, cause a scum win means they loose. you know? cause scum wins the game with equal numbers and stuff while town has to get rid of all other factions.

There is no scenario in which pirates are keen to scum side in an elo if they are still in game. Only way we can help scum is if we manage to pirate all factions and leave game, and if town is slow enough with killing main scum and ends up in a pickle with us leaving the game.

so clock is ticking and town must find actual scum.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You again lied. That's not third party.

Its a third party based on that win condition

Am I the only one seeing it that pirates are doomed to town side?

I think in the setup you’re defined as groupscum which is Kokichi’s point but you’re more of a third party, akin to Mimes (faction that wins if all members get voted out). Mastermind would be a third party that functions more like a groupscum, as a complement to the discussion.
As for being doomed to townside, depending the circumstances of the game I’d call scumsiding more probable simply by there being less scum than town and thus if the scum gets obliterated early the pirates have to impede the town in order to win. I’ll get into this more when discussing my practical plan for this game.

If pirates don't leave game earlier and end up in an end game situation, that means they haven't pirated one of living factions already. which means they logistically cant side with scum, cause a scum win means they loose. you know? cause scum wins the game with equal numbers and stuff while town has to get rid of all other factions.

There is no scenario in which pirates are keen to scum side in an elo if they are still in game. Only way we can help scum is if we manage to pirate all factions and leave game, and if town is slow enough with killing main scum and ends up in a pickle with us leaving the game.

so clock is ticking and town must find actual scum.

You are right that that scenario is bad for town but from an objective point of view not being able to kill scum in order to accommodate another faction can be detrimental to town. I guess the main remedy is being ultra-clear who your targets are. The core issue I see is if town sinks into apathy as a result of waiting for you to get your win, but by disclosing targets there is limited suspects which turns the game into a mechanical simplicity, reducing the negative impact of apathy.

Ofcourse

will share my targets all the time. Since this is my first time pirating, I'll claim this after next day starts and will decide and announce future targets before night begins

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You guys really think there are 3 people in group scum?

I was thinking its 2 2 7 rn

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

NM would do his thing if he was actually town too.

Him being a pirate is irrelevant to his play tbh lol

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You guys really think there are 3 people in group scum?

I was thinking its 2 2 7 rn

If pirates left after n2 I think it would be pretty townsided to be only 2 scum.

Everything in this game make up is random based on what enchant said. Its balance is not a proper setup spec

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Okay, everyone since people do not seem to understand why shooting Pirate if we vote out town is not a bad thing.

We are at likely: (Unlikely) 5 v 3 v 3 or 6 v 3 v 2 or (unlikely) 7 v 2 v 2

If we shoot and elim town we are either: (Unlikley 3 v 3 v 3) or 4 v 3 v 2 or (unlikely 5 v 2 v 2) which means we basically lose right?

If we shoot and elim town and pirate we are (Unlikely 4 v 3 v 2) or 5 v 3 v 1 or (unlikely 6 v 2 v 1) Which is a better standing and we don't auto lose.

(Tell me if my math is wrong here cause I'm assuming that if we are below the amount of total scum we lose no?)

Btw your math is wrong depending on whats the type of group scum. There is no way pirates will side with scum tomorrow as we haven't plundered anyone yet. best case we'll plunder only 1 faction tomorrow so its definite that we'll be on side of town mechanically next phase regardless of numbers

but it will be elo for town cause if you fail in killing scum by end of next day phase, there is a good chance you insta loose the night after with pirates leaving the game or just based on night actions town will be too small of a faction to have any sway in votes anymore

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

type of group scum matters too, there were some variant win cons I presume?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

UNVOTE:

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

type of group scum matters too, there were some variant win cons I presume?

Most true groupscum have basically the same wincon of eliminate all threats against them. Some, like Apparitions, are to eliminate all other factions. It's impossible for Witches and Pirates to win together fwiw, because all witches are vanilla and have what would be their role converted into spells.

yeap

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

People trying to sell like pirates on our side, while in reality they are NOT.

But we clearly are......

We had no reason to out otherwise

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still think shooting NM is play.

while I would not cry if NM was dead (he is one of main reasons I decided to claim directly and appeal to everyone), but let me town side once more and help you here

It makes no sense. Why would you want a slot who will potentially leave game anyway dead. Its pretty much a waste of your resources Town needs a real scum group dead. Like now. Killing us wont change anything for you and your dire situation. It will not increase your time cause we're gonners regardless.

plus NM fakes a guilty every single game regardless of his alignment. He literally would have done same if he was town. His "anti town" play is not alignment/preference indicative.

regardless you really don't wanna shoot NM. don't tell me I didn't warn you guys about it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Plus I literally warned you about his play in public with the way I posted about NM role multiple times. yet you went ahead and hammered drew cause of him so don't put this hammer on pirates.

If drew flips town, I bet the wagon is scum driven to get the town to push pirates cause of NM play.

but you know, you do you

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I still think shooting NM is play.

while I would not cry if NM was dead (he is one of main reasons I decided to claim directly and appeal to everyone), but let me town side once more and help you here

It makes no sense. Why would you want a slot who will potentially leave game anyway dead. Its pretty much a waste of your resources Town needs a real scum group dead. Like now. Killing us wont change anything for you and your dire situation. It will not increase your time cause we're gonners regardless.

plus NM fakes a guilty every single game regardless of his alignment. He literally would have done same if he was town. His "anti town" play is not alignment/preference indicative.

regardless you really don't wanna shoot NM. don't tell me I didn't warn you guys about it.

Read this a few times, does this seem like someone who wants to help town?

She really calls it a 'dire situation' for town. NM and Kyo are not concerned with helping town.

Kill......all.....who.....are.....not.....aligned.....with town.

It pains me that I can't remember who originally said this in a previous game.

Pre Edit: LOL, so you finally publically admit the guilty was fake, holy fucking shit

It is a dire situation for town. Town don't have much numbers left. If pirates leave game, town probably will loose, so you have like 2 day phases left at best. A main scum team player has to flip for town to have a chance and killing a pirate changes nothing for you.

Also I did say it was fake 4 pages ago basically by refusing to confirm it's true repeatedly

why would a pirate announce a guilty in thread before plundering it as several people mentioned

NM was obviously trolling. Everyone said it. I as his partner shown you too. He is just like that every single game. Have you played with NM before?

so I say the wagon was not pirate driven. If you're town it was main scum team driven and someone else wanted you dead and wants town to push pirates instead for it.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

DGB in one of The Baker's games.

And she was right.

Yes, it was a Bakers game.....and I think it was them.

I have plenty experience being said 3p in Bakers games lol.

Can't let us stick around.

Pirates can scumside, and it's not really hard either.

But they are really low priority now.

yeah

they cant

They need to scum hunt and target one to have a chance to win in a game scum might win later on. That means they need to vanalize a scum and find one at the very least

being pirate means two winning scenarios:

1 - endgame, town side and win with town. If its endgame and you side with scum you loose cause you end game without targeting all living factions.
2 - target all factions earlier and leave game.

Now your turn tell me where I'm wrong with this and how can pirates scum side

This is the 3ps you want dead. They are even more leaned on town victory than a natural survivor...

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

yeah, policy him if you prefer, I would not stop you with that part of logic. As I said I was expecting him to die N1anyway ... haha

what I'm saying is consider that it's policy, not a shot to the win.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I meant I was expecting him to die asap when we went to the game. you know

cause he always gets vig shotted (and for a good reason)