Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[KittyTacky]

Mew hi.

I don't know much of this list.

VOTE: Enchant

[KittyTacky]

Amomgus

[KittyTacky]

I think we should massclaim when there's like, an ambiguous bit of info that could become a guilty or a clear with a massclaim. If we do it now we will likely piss away PRs for no reason.

[KittyTacky]

I don't know miller strategy so take that with a grain of salt... but I am pretty sure claiming Miller during RVS is actually claiming Traitor

I thought miller meta was to out instantly D1? At least in Normals. Could be different down here.

[KittyTacky]

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

[KittyTacky]

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

Also you're making too much of this maybe

No it's a honest question, what would there be in a page 4 reads list?

[KittyTacky]

I'm gonna throw a stupid suspicion on KT just for saying they don't know much of the playerlist in their starting post, it feels a bit aware of the game in a way that's probably more likely to come from scum, and also a bunch of players are always here so it's an odd comment - of course you know most of the playerlist?

It's an alignment-nonindicative habit for me to (almost, sometimes I forger ) always comment on who I played with. How is it "more aware of the game"? And I genuinely never played with most of this playerlist before so no I don't know most of it.

[KittyTacky]

I am having a blast btw.

[KittyTacky]

Manic state irl.

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VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

[KittyTacky]

Spoiler: Re: discussion of Herta's role

I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?

I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:

1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.

One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.

As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.

I think your understanding of most of the Miller roles is correct, but Herta's role just so happens to be an exception - the

official name

of the role is "Universal Miller", the role just

investigates

as e.g. Dark Creature to relevant Cops, and Vanilla to relevant Rolecops. If it helps, think of the Role as being named "Universally Suspicious Person" rather than "Universal Miller".

VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

Why not make some content yourself?

I'm a quite reactive player, I do better when people talk about stuff and I can engage, if the game is dead then I sleep.

[KittyTacky]

I'll re-read and figure out if TL is a good vote rn.

[KittyTacky]

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

[KittyTacky]

I think i share my discard anyway:

Untopped Post Restrictor

At night, you may select a player to restrict for the following day phase. You may restrict one of: word count maximum (your choice, minimum 25 words), post count maximum per 24 hours (minimum 1), or provide a list of 10 words (of at least 4 letters each) to censor. Players who violate this restriction are daykilled by you. If a player posts a pagetop (a post # that is evenly divisible by 25), they may ignore these restrictions.

The target will be informed of their restriction. You may not target the same player with this two nights in a row.

You can't quote private communications wtf.

Anyways I think my discard is a little too sensitive to toss out rn. I'm paranoid about that.

[KittyTacky]

Wait. Where did Marashu say that. I forgot Marashu isn't mod. I am confused.

[KittyTacky]

You can't quote private communications wtf.

It's not.

I am well-known to be a gibbering idiot.

[KittyTacky]

I realized it's fro the role list.

[KittyTacky]

Was busy, catching up tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die

Can't you pick something like "the" or "a" or "he" and use it as a vig?

[KittyTacky]

And yes I support hail.

[KittyTacky]

Marashu town.

[KittyTacky]

KT's ISO: basically commentary on whatever is going on, sheeps a vote on lich and then disappears. I know kitty is a good townie so this is out of character.

The game was stalling. I am only a good townie if people are talking about something I can engage with. I am still "finding" the game.

[KittyTacky]

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

I didn't find anything to engage with.

[KittyTacky]

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

That is interesting

@Kitykat any reason for the change of play style?

Because there I was more engaged as the game was more active.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: KittyTacky

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

Who tf posts a reads list 4 pages in. What is even there to make enough reads on for a full list?

It was this, getting that upset over posting initial reads(whether you agree with the reads or not), jumped out at me.

Not much here tbh, could have been trying to jumpstart a miselim, but not much else evidence to really support that.

Did find it interesting that Gimli gave them shit for saying they aren't familiar with the player list. There was a slight back and forth that seemed a bit forced. But that might be better to revisit at a later time.

It was a honest question.

And Gimli never played with me before so I understand.

[KittyTacky]

considering that KT actually gives a little bit of info (namely, KT and Gimli are highly unlikely to be co-aligned groupscum ignoring Gimli being obvtown), KT is a more economical vote.

VOTE: KittyTacky

I have around equal preference for a KT or Yume elim.

Oh boy I'm getting run up. I'll claim.

Inverse Killer

Each night you may target a player. If you were instead performing a "Vigilante" action instead of this ability, and that action would

not

cause the death of the targeted player, then activate the following effect.
The targeted player unavoidably die. This effect is untargeted and cannot be stopped.

I picked it over my discard because I'm less likely to get townies killed and I could kill a bulletproof scum or something.

My discard was

Even-Night Paranoid Gun Owner

A PGO I could not control seemed too negative utility.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like how TL jumped on my wagon.

[KittyTacky]

In general that flash wagon is sussy amogussy. If I get mislimmed today, VCA that shit.

[KittyTacky]

I crumbed my discard here (underlined).

I think i share my discard anyway:

Untopped Post Restrictor

At night, you may select a player to restrict for the following day phase. You may restrict one of: word count maximum (your choice, minimum 25 words), post count maximum per 24 hours (minimum 1), or provide a list of 10 words (of at least 4 letters each) to censor. Players who violate this restriction are daykilled by you. If a player posts a pagetop (a post # that is evenly divisible by 25), they may ignore these restrictions.

The target will be informed of their restriction. You may not target the same player with this two nights in a row.

You can't quote private communications wtf.

Anyways I think my discard is a little too sensitive to toss out rn. I'm

paranoid

about that.

It could also be interpreted as a PGO crumb, this was so mafia would stay away but you guys outed me so that's moot.

[KittyTacky]

I picked it over my discard because I'm less likely to get townies killed and I could kill a bulletproof scum or something.

So basically if you are shot by scum you shoot them instead?

It's like Veteran in Town of Salem but without defense.

Anyone who visits it dies unless healed or bulletproof, but if attacked it dies too. Not a very good role unless you are good at baiting scum into killing you. Which I am not.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Yuma

[KittyTacky]

kitty whats that role exactly?

what does it mean if you perform a non vigilant action it will kill?

that means if they targeting others with any non killing actions you will kill them?

My role does nothing, unless if I am roleblocked or my target is healed by a doctor, is bulletproof, or whatever. Then it strongman-kills them.

[KittyTacky]

I picked it over PGO because if I'm forced to have a chance to kill town then I'd like to kill town on my own terms and not because a poor TI walked into me.

[KittyTacky]

kitty whats that role exactly?

what does it mean if you perform a non vigilant action it will kill?

that means if they targeting others with any non killing actions you will kill them?

My role does nothing, unless if I am roleblocked or my target is healed by a doctor, is bulletproof, or whatever. Then it strongman-kills them.

I still don't get it. You target someone. if they are targeted with non killing actions they strongman die?

If they are targeted with healing actions, or I am roleblocked.

Actions that would not save them from a vig, like a cop check, do not cause them to die.

[KittyTacky]

Please reread the post I quoted.

[KittyTacky]

*you quoted

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I basically become a strongman big.

[KittyTacky]

*vig

[KittyTacky]

My phone autocorrects vig to big.

New role: the Big. Armed with a minigun and over 300 bullets to gun down scum with.

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On a serious note, I picked my role fully expecting to be basically a Visitor. Better than being a PGO and killing TI. Glad I was proven wrong.

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Bruh lmao.

[KittyTacky]

Yume should have claimed when people called for them to be vigged.

[KittyTacky]

Especially as an invest. Sigh.

[KittyTacky]

NM is a troll and so is Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

Yume has died. Their role was

Town [One-Shot Meticulous] Tracker

Spoiler:

You are a

Town [One Shot Meticulous] Tracker

Each night you may target a player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will learn who that player visited during the night.
Once, you may choose to be Meticulous as you perform this action. If you do, that night your results cannot be modified or prevented (such as by a Ninja). However, you can still be roleblocked or redirected.

You win when all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and a member of the Town is alive.

I'm assuming this was Kitty's shot since they said they got a shot? If so good shot regardless. I was voting this today.

Yeah it's my shot.

[KittyTacky]

There's one more hail shot left, right? We essentially have 2 lims, second being my shot.

What if we vote with HURT: these tags for my shot?

[KittyTacky]

1 shot of weather remaining, yes.

I'd rather not - it helps us sort you if we can know why you're picking who you pick. So... this might have an obvious answer but I'm going to ask anyway, why Yume?

1. I was told to.
2. I sheeped the wagon on them.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like having the fate of the game in my hands so I'd rather sheep people I think are town.

[KittyTacky]

Interesting! You think they fake claimed and they're actually just mafia with the kill?

There's nothing preventing mafia from being reverse killer and thus having two kills.

Then there would be two kills wouldn't there?

[KittyTacky]

Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?

Assuming you're talking about that comment I made last gameday. I did look at a few other posters, but settled back onto TL because I townleaned a lot of the active posters. I still think the main thing is getting a read on some of the more lurky slots. I wouldn't quite call Fuyuhiko and Kyoko lurky but I also haven't thought a lot about them. I think there can quite easily be a lot of scum in {KT, NM, Kyoko, Fuyuhiko, Drew}, the thing is figuring out if that's the right read of the gamestate.

Yume should have claimed when people called for them to be vigged.

Especially as an invest. Sigh.

This seems a bit... revisionistic? LAMISTy? I'd like to know what Kitty thinks they-re accomplishing with this.

Spoiler: @mod

i cannot count

Omg I did that once too, I made like 8 posts thinking I was going to grab a pagetop then noticed XX45 was not a multiple of 25 lol

I was thinking I was accomplishing expressing my frustration with a dumb play.

[KittyTacky]

For some reason I thought hail would only stop town actions. I'm dumb alright.

[KittyTacky]

I forgot it stopped scum actions too between those posts.

[KittyTacky]

I forget things.

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For some reason I thought hail would only stop town actions. I'm dumb alright.

Why would you think this and think everyone would be okay with this happening? also what are your reads? I don't like you just waiting for others to tell you what your reads should be

I said it, I forgot overnight.

My strongest reads are Marashu town, Gimli town, Fuyuhiko town. All on gut.

I don't like Drew's tone, it seems overly defensive and confrontational. He's my main SR.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like having the fate of the game in my hands so I'd rather sheep people I think are town.

This feels weak
Why don’t you have faith in your reads?

Because I think I am a bad player and also I am finding it a bit hard to read people this time around.

[KittyTacky]

First off, might need to update my sig and add this post game.

Second, tell me you have never played a game with me without actually telling me you never played a game with me lol.

Third, and a bit more serious here, isn't the name of the game to get confrontational and defensive? This isn't church, this is a game predicated on arguments.

If it's just your style... fair enough. I did indeed never play a game with you that I remember.

And being too defensive is indeed a thing.

[KittyTacky]

Mara, can you clarify what you mean by 'repeating similar opinions'? I skimmed the thread somewhat before I replaced in, and then a bit more after I officially joined, those were my quick slight observations about the game at the time.

And as far as my reaction to enchant and not Mafia. I saw the two guiltys right in a row, first was confused of the false guiltys and then why they posted basically at the same time. Then remembered it was hailing and really thought I caught scum in some sort of gambit, which is why I kept saying that besides me being town, there is one other big reason why this is impossible. Then I realized it was all probably a reaction test, and trolling by Not Mafia, and I stopped paying attention to it, especially after Not Mafia said he was a gunsmith.

I feel a bit dumb I didn't immediately think reaction test first, but not the first time that has happened sadly lol.

wait so you believed they were giving a "fake" guilty on you and you didn't react to them. Do you mean you remembered hail before starting to post today or after you posted few stuff?

I said I thought I caught scum lying because hail would have made any investigation impossible.

Non-rhetorical question: have you played with Not_Mafia before?

[KittyTacky]

Spoiler: marashu's mech spec

I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?

I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:

1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.

One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.

As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.

wow I never read these things until now, okay. so we know we're in a game with conspirators because of this:

Cop:Cop
Miller:Miller(returns Mafia)
Mason:Immigrants

and this and guardians (that can't be in the game for some reason I already forgot) are the only groupscums who have miller as miller and not some flavour of miller in the name.

The Conspirators outside the PT are treated as Lone, having no idea who the other conspirators are and losing alone.

guess who's acting like a lone conspirator? kyoko. her d2 'reaction test' works much better as signaling.

@ whoever understands the mech in this goddamn game: if we are in a game with conspirators, then we definitely have this traitor role, right?

Ooh I didn't catch this. Makes sense tho.
VOTE: Kyoko

[KittyTacky]

I am trying to suss what this difference in play means, two games played with you basically back to back, with a clear difference.

One you were town.

Anyone else have meta on Herta? Can anyone else back this up?

Herta is LHF as town, last time I played with them in viewtopic.php?t=90137

I'd bet they're town here too. Just a Day Miller.

[KittyTacky]

Hmm
Do you think this is scum indicative, Fuyuhiko?

not really, it's kinda annoying tho
I want to maybe suggest a pool of shots for Kitty this round assuming we go with Hail again

I'm fine with that.

[KittyTacky]

Hmm
Do you think this is scum indicative, Fuyuhiko?

not really, it's kinda annoying tho
I want to maybe suggest a pool of shots for Kitty this round assuming we go with Hail again

I'm fine with that.

Who are you fine with shooting today so far?

Drew if he doesn't get limmed today, or Not_Mafia. Little preference between the two.

[KittyTacky]

NM, full claim your role. or I either shoot you or vote you. Now.

[KittyTacky]

Not full claiming, I've given enough detail

Then why are we supposed to believe your guilty?

[KittyTacky]

BTW it's my cake day. 2 years of being a slave to this game.

[KittyTacky]

You know what fuck it.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

If you're town it's your fault.

[KittyTacky]

I think flipping NM is the best course of action if he doesn't cough up a claim.

[KittyTacky]

So anyway. I checked every role in setup.

Conclusion: NM can have guilty. But most likely he is bullshitting as none of these are "directly condemning".

There's like 1 exception: Large modifier which makes you bulletproof and your action can't be prevented.


... I have too much freetime.

enchant <3

so we just won't care about NM's claim and also I think it's a good idea to sheep aisa's townread on drew. it's much better than the reasons people are suspecting him (I personally have no idea but am leaning town nonetheless).

Wait kk.

UNVOTE:

Enchant stonks go up.

[KittyTacky]

Is there a jester-like or exe-like role in this setup?

[KittyTacky]

a vanilla 3p?

enchant, can this be a thing?

Factions in this game are independent of roles.

I think we should leave Kyoko alone for now. Mafia has little reason to claim benign 3p.

[KittyTacky]

What's it going to take for you guys to listen to me?

A claim or your flip. Depends on which comes first.

[KittyTacky]

we can do two things here

1) work kyoko as a compromise vig shot on n2. say we flip kuzu and he is mafia. killing kyoko serves us well, because her ENTIRE equity itg is scum or 3p. we don't lose one of ours. now, if we flip kuzu and he is actually town, then IDK if shooting her is good, because I think her 3p equity is big, since that claim outs her if another 3p flips (I think?). meaning scum shouldn't claim 3p. but she can be a traitor role etc with a neighboring modifier. who tf knows.

2) change hail for whatever ability shows all the targeted. it would require our full claims. we'd learn kyoko's 3p for sure, and she could pick our TOWNIEST PERSON ITG for her target. that way she'd win with town and we'd all be happy with that. at some point the towniest person needs to be resolved so we know she is winning with us. so, it's a thing.

I'm not shooting benign 3p. Waste of my shot.

Is there a jester-like or exe-like role in this setup?

Didn't we bring this up on Day 1 with all the TL stuff?

If we did then I forgot, I was still zoned out of the game then like I often am early.

[KittyTacky]

Gimli loses townie points.

[KittyTacky]

Sure Kyoko could be an evil 3p but I want to shoot groupscum.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri

VOTE: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

voting for a friendly neighbor amazing

As I see it Friendly Neighbor is explicitly a town role. So if you’re claim 3p, you’re not FN.

This is a game where you can pick any of your draws regardless of your alignment.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I didn't read so far yet.

[KittyTacky]

I discarded vanilla

Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die

isn't that a little funky? your discard was vanilla but your actual role is a killing ability.

I wonder if on d2...

:tinfoil:

kuzu and kyoko are groupscum. check: horrible theatrics

Spoiler: scum theatre or something

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Curious as to why

I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao

and on and on

This is a blatantly erroneous post.

1. There is literally nothing scum indicative about picking an actual functional ability over vanilla. Trying to paint it that way is deliberately misleading.
   
2. Less to do with the post itself, but why the fuck do I lock myself into a claim so early as scum? I also claimed so it wouldn’t be an absolute blindside if someone died by my role, why the fuck do I do that as scum?
   
3. Despite Kyoko claiming 3p and Gimli apparently going along with that he has yet to rethink his read on me that was built on associatives with Kyoko. It’s extremely fucking obvious he was just fishing for an excuse to go after me.

If you vote me today and don’t kill Gimli at the next possible chance and you’re town, you are gamethrowing.

Yeah I'd rather a killing ability over a vanilla.

[KittyTacky]

I really dislike both Fuyuhiko and Gimli here.

It would seem Kyoko could be vigged? We can't have her in elo if she is what she says she is and confirming herself doesn't change that.

Oh fuck it.

I'm a pirate and I need to plunder all living alignments in game. if I do I'll leave the game entirely. its a role steal.

I was intending to steal gimli's role town or scum his claim was that its a useless role anyway.

that's why I have to target scum too

and I wont be here in elo to decision make. If I am, I'm more interested to town side then for sure than to scum side cause of nature of my role.

its bad to claim this for town cause I could have absorbed scum role before claiming anything

but if you wanna just threaten me with vigging, at least have all the facts.

(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)

Pirate is groupscum! lmfao. You can take roles off townies, and there are more townies in-game than scum.

VOTE: Kyoko

[KittyTacky]

Yeah it’s nothing new for me but I feel more free to do it on this account
And being outed won’t change that; I have a running mindset that I will act my way and if people don’t like that I don’t care. I gave up on being liked by everyone October 2021.
It would be nice if more people would frequent my GTKAS and blog thread on here though.

I can't access GTKAS for some reason.

[KittyTacky]

Wait, a pirate win means they exit the game with a win. So it's guaranteed that the first person they target and the last person they target are not aligned. And it sounds like people discarded vanilla roles, which are the roles that protect from pirate, oddly enough. That said, if pirates tell us who they are pirating, then if they exit at night, we can basically use that as a parity cop between the first person they target and the last person they target. No reason to hunt/shoot pirates.

Wait yeah.
UNVOTE:

[KittyTacky]

Is there a jester-like or exe-like role in this setup?

I asked this literally all of day 1. Where were you? Answer is no. Also who are you shooting?

Probably NM, Drew, maybe Gimli. Pick one of those.

[KittyTacky]

I don't really wanna shoot a pirate yet.

[KittyTacky]

Pirates have NO way to scum side. Literally None

Yeah I changed my mind.

[KittyTacky]

did you even read my posts

Yes that's why I changed my mind.

[KittyTacky]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

[KittyTacky]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

I'm leashed.

If town has any objections to me doing this, then say it.

As it is I think you're scared scum trying to shade me, a PR with the ability to kill scum, to discredit me.

[KittyTacky]

I only confirm NM alignment. I will not talk about his role. Make whatever you want with it.

did you even read my posts

Yes that's why I changed my mind.

Care to elaborate?

I re-read pirate faction desc and realized they can be useful for town, esp in a role madness game.

[KittyTacky]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

I'm leashed.

If town has any objections to me doing this, then say it.

As it is I think you're scared scum trying to shade me, a PR with the ability to kill scum, to discredit me.

you want to kill NM, a claimed pirate. if I'm true groupscum I'm fine with letting you do that.

is that not an easy read? that the person suspecting our vig the most, when the vig is aiming at 'benign third party that steals scum powers', isn't the scum?

if we're gonna flip dr drew, and I'm not against that, we are NOT doing it because of NM, nor are we punishing NM for 'scumsiding'.

NOT_MAFIA DOESNT KNOW WHO THE SCUM ARE

. he scumsides cause he is a troll, he'd do the same things if he was town. we just lost a game where he hammered everyone's top townread with an ability the scum team gave him, and he said to me and I quote "I'd do it again". the scum team said in dead chat that they gave the ability to NM cause they thought he'd kill town, 'and he did'.

so if there's one thing you are not doing in this game, is killing NM just because he trolled. we know his alignment! we don't waste shots on him or on kyoko, and we do not eliminate anyone because he says he has a cop check on them, on a game where that is unlikely!

pay attention to the game man.

An ostensibly townsiding "benign groupscum" that gets a townie killed on purpose is just... gross. But fine. You convinced me. I won't shoot him for trolling.

As for the enabler stuff.

@Mod we need clarification about the interaction, it's ambiguous.

[KittyTacky]

put kokichi back in the pool

pedit @gamma: your self meta. you're saying you don't do as scum what you just did here, which was 'flip me or flip my POE'. I see what you're saying, but it's self meta anyway. I'm fine with you being town for now.

I think Kitty is doing exactly what Drew is pointing at. he is just coasting, 'game too hard'ing and not doing anything. he only started pushing people now and I didn't like it either. the game WAS too hard, now we have 2 people from the same alignment outed, and I still don't see him solving any part of it. if he is town he needs to town it up.

I usually fully "wake up" a bit into the game.

I am mostly sheeping yes. But I usually sheep unless I see a lead I don't see anyone else pointing out. I think Drew is independently scummy even if NM is just trolling, and the possibility of there being something that bypasses hail pushes him over scum equity imo.

[KittyTacky]

pure setup spec here and I have no idea what I'm talking about cause I don't get how roles were distributed at all

btw if roles arent random like alignments, then KT's version of vig could be the way how scum could continue killing during hails as a utility intended by mod

so guess @enchant, did we get utilities randomly or does role part of stuff had a design?

Roles are random.

[KittyTacky]

And I explained why I picked inverse killer over PGO. I didn't want to kill townies except under my own terms if I mis-shoot.

[KittyTacky]

OK the main question is... how did NM get past hail????

[KittyTacky]

I can't believe Herta was actually just a Miller. And I agree Aisa is probably just last partner. Do Pirates just lose then?

I called them a day miller but it was a bruh moment when they were an actual miller.

[KittyTacky]

Did he just random accuse and got lucky?

[KittyTacky]

I kinda don't want Fuyu or Gimli plundered N3; they both have abilities that send messages to their recipients, so if they use those abilities then they aren't dousing.

I’ve already said my target receives no notice if my visiting them.

they don't know what they can't post?

Yup. That’s why I thought it might be more sporting to claim on Day 1.

Sporting? Making yourself a target to be more sporting to scum?

That's like outing your hand in poker to be more sporting to your opponent.

[KittyTacky]

Summary of mechanical information so far:

Claims:

TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension

Kyoko Kirigiri
Pick: Modified Friendly Neighbour
Discard: Vanilla

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Pick: Witch
Discard: Vanilla

Enchant
Discard: Untopped Post Restrictor

Aisa
Pick: Security Guard

Gimli
Pick: Mysterious Musician

Marashu
Pick: Cloud Seeder

KittyTacky
Pick: Inverse Killer

Flips:

TemporalLich - Town Meta-Neighbor --- Discard: Extension
Yume - Town [One-Shot Meticulous] Tracker
Doctor Drew - Arsonist Cartel Multitargeting Meta-Janitor Meta-Neighbor
Herta - Town Universal Miller (Must Pick card)

I discarded even-night PGO.

[KittyTacky]

I'm ready.

[KittyTacky]

I holstered as idt there was consensus onm who to use a protective role on, if any, to kill, and I didn't want to blunder and kill a townie.

[KittyTacky]

I tried to roleblock Kitty and shot didn't happen?

Kitty you didn't try to shot?

Well yeah sorry my fault.

[KittyTacky]

You should have probably claimed it so I wouldn't holster.

[KittyTacky]

You should have probably claimed it so I wouldn't holster.

Did you get anythin at nite? Or no

No in fact I didn't get a daystart message at all for some reason.

@Mod

[KittyTacky]

I am not roleblocker. I am passive role.

If i tell truth beforehand it's worthless.

Fault in your plan: It is not guaranteed that I'd get RBed.

[KittyTacky]

... Or Kitty could just shot. I rarely see reason to HOLSTER something which you don't believe will even fire so...

There was no consensus and I am leashed.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah pirates are essentially townies that can disappear suddenly midgame and we should treat them as such.

[KittyTacky]

Tell me who to try and shoot.

[KittyTacky]

GG all.