HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[furtiveglance]

2.14

Votecount 2.14

HighPrincessErinys (5):

Titus, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee, Gimli, Elements.

Gimli (3):

Malakittens, Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

Malakittens (1):

HighPrincessErinys.

ActionDan (1):

Bellaphant.

BlueBloodedToffee (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (3):

Enchant, ActionDan, Killing Joke.

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-01-29 17:30:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli, Bellaphant, Gamma Emerald and Titus are on V/LA
  
• Squawk

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[Gamma Emerald]

You don't think Harley would ever pretend not to know about black spot as scum, for easy townreads?

I think scum!Harley has more reason to be learned about setups from past experience

[Killing Joke]

2.14

Votecount 2.14

HighPrincessErinys (5):

Titus, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee, Gimli, Elements.

Gimli (3):

Malakittens, Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

Malakittens (1):

HighPrincessErinys.

ActionDan (1):

Bellaphant.

BlueBloodedToffee (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (3):

Enchant, ActionDan, Killing Joke.

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-01-29 17:30:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Gimli, Bellaphant, Gamma Emerald and Titus are on V/LA
  
• Squawk

Flavour

I want to say that Eira sniping at us for activity reasons is extremely silly when we have like 50-60 posts left and probably blew through close to twenty with pointless arguments with him.

I still hard tr Mala from play and think she’s pretty easy miselimbait. I also don’t understand the BBT vote.

I’m trying to wrestle with HPE losing motivation when scum is in a really good spot and it’s seeming to phone in most of its posts. And then it votes Mala after saying one of Elements/us needed to be flipped, like why? I guess it had Mala with one of Elements/Us so makes sense but it just looks so lazy. I’m on the fence about Dan but his posting I think looks a lot more natural than HPE.

I just don’t see what scum!Gimli gains by wking us this strongly?

Rn, consider our vote spiritually on HPE but sill consult with Joker first.

~Harley

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Killing Joke

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Killing Joke

This one honestly CANNOT get a solid read on this erratic play... Do you mind elaborating on this vote for everyone's benefit?

[ActionDan]

Picking up prod. when I wake up I guess I'll spend the day pouring over this. that is actually reading HPE / Gimli.

In the meantime.... game advancing post...

I think Bella is scum.

Been harboring this for a while and have had some misgivings just because Bella does seem to be capable of processing topical posts and do have at least some fluidity when making adjustments to their reads as well as being generally responsive but I still think their scum reads overall just don't track well, and are very limiting on what they take into account. For Std its tone (before they read his posts as town), for me its activity/impact or... this?

So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

For Flea and Passenger it seems to be the content of one post a piece and in each case the justification for the scum read is in Flea's case weak, in Passenger's nonexistent.

Similarly, and considering Bella seems to have had time to have a decent grasp of the game, it does (or did not) appear that Bella considered either Gimli / HPE wagons appealing and has devoted some time to ask people to case HPE railing against the wagon. Meanwhile I would expect more of a push unto Me/Flea instead of being more content to simply list us as scumreads from the sidelines. Of course that might require actually reading our posts for content which either Bella does or chooses not to investigate overmuch.

VOTE: Bella

[Killing Joke]

Picking up prod. when I wake up I guess I'll spend the day pouring over this. that is actually reading HPE / Gimli.

In the meantime.... game advancing post...

I think Bella is scum.

Been harboring this for a while and have had some misgivings just because Bella does seem to be capable of processing topical posts and do have at least some fluidity when making adjustments to their reads as well as being generally responsive but I still think their scum reads overall just don't track well, and are very limiting on what they take into account. For Std its tone (before they read his posts as town), for me its activity/impact or... this?

So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

For Flea and Passenger it seems to be the content of one post a piece and in each case the justification for the scum read is in Flea's case weak, in Passenger's nonexistent.

Similarly, and considering Bella seems to have had time to have a decent grasp of the game, it does (or did not) appear that Bella considered either Gimli / HPE wagons appealing and has devoted some time to ask people to case HPE railing against the wagon. Meanwhile I would expect more of a push unto Me/Flea instead of being more content to simply list us as scumreads from the sidelines. Of course that might require actually reading our posts for content which either Bella does or chooses not to investigate overmuch.

VOTE: Bella

I've been asking for a full reads list since 1254 and this is the best you can come up with, LurkerDan?

[Elements]

VOTE: Killing Joke

What strange planet are you on?

[Elements]

Picking up prod. when I wake up I guess I'll spend the day pouring over this. that is actually reading HPE / Gimli.

In the meantime.... game advancing post...

I think Bella is scum.

Been harboring this for a while and have had some misgivings just because Bella does seem to be capable of processing topical posts and do have at least some fluidity when making adjustments to their reads as well as being generally responsive but I still think their scum reads overall just don't track well, and are very limiting on what they take into account. For Std its tone (before they read his posts as town), for me its activity/impact or... this?

So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

For Flea and Passenger it seems to be the content of one post a piece and in each case the justification for the scum read is in Flea's case weak, in Passenger's nonexistent.

Similarly, and considering Bella seems to have had time to have a decent grasp of the game, it does (or did not) appear that Bella considered either Gimli / HPE wagons appealing and has devoted some time to ask people to case HPE railing against the wagon. Meanwhile I would expect more of a push unto Me/Flea instead of being more content to simply list us as scumreads from the sidelines. Of course that might require actually reading our posts for content which either Bella does or chooses not to investigate overmuch.

VOTE: Bella

This just isn't happening today, pick someone that actually might get excited

[Bellaphant]

.....the scum team can't be this deflated? Surely? Gimli comes in with 'the game is too hard', hpe comes in with a vote for mala and action Dan comes in with omgus? Really?

Ive made it clear that I was tr-ing hpe but now am not and I can't get a read on gimli, which is often a red flag.

[Bellaphant]

How is me voting you not a push? I'm not scum reading flea massively. STD I knew was flippibg town, the wagom was garbage and I pushed against it and got ignored. In fact, you can see my read progression on enchant and std about 'tone' and content in thread.

Everything you wrote is basically bullshit. I've not seen a push that has against me in ages.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella, vote HPE?

[Bellaphant]

I still want literally anyone to give me threw bullet points of why

[Gimli]

Re: what's the HPE scumcase. I feel she is very hedgy throughout the game, never taking a hard stance, using a lot of words to describe events but not turning them into much of anything. This post I'm quoting below is an example of this attitude:

Ouuuuuh this was a lot. After reading from 117, this one's main thoughts are: Joker had a half-decent case against StD early on, but that's since kinda crumbled. His tone is kinda wacky and his points against Elements, Flea, and StD have all gotten out of whack, but it honestly... doesn't scumread him all that much. It feels like town misplaying rather than scum shitpushing from what it knows firsthand of his meta. Some of Harley's later posts (i.e. 265 immediately under Flea stating that faer not ignoring her at all and 267 saying NO YOU TOTALLY ARE IGNORING ME) feel

bad

though.

That being said! StD doesn't look so good either even if Joker's case isn't quite so good anymore. His ISO is very dodgy in general but in particular 231 is just groanworthy. Scumlean here, and can't help but feel his reactions and posts have built a more convincing case against himself than the logic Joker was levying.

Going to say that this one also somewhat strongly townreads Flea, this one likes faer posts and points quite a bit.

Theres strong crossovers in this list to the frog/eira game recently, so I'm going to try to keep open minded to hpe and elements.

Forgot to say and you reminded this one; hi Bella!

VOTE: killing joke

VOTE: elements

Half unrelated: Explanations on these votes would be nice, especially when it can kind of see the Elements vote but would like more thoughts from others.

What

do

you see?

That this one didn't like Elements' ISO very much, and still doesn't. Scumlean on Elements.

"Kinda" decent, "kinda" wacky, "groanworthy". I feel there is quite a bit of flourishing and not enough scumhunting. Also saying joker's case isn't very good "anymore" feels more like checking the game's temperature wrt how people are evaluating joker's case, rather than evaluating joker's case by itself. I think her d2 has been bad. Also out of all the players in the game, HPE is the one giving me less reasons for a townread, especially after last night's reread of early pages when I began to townread elements' early treatment of STD.

So I'm keeping my vote there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I still want literally anyone to give me threw bullet points of why

You're not town reading her? Why do you need reasons?

[furtiveglance]

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Bumping this

[Gimli]

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Bumping this

I'm really sorry idk what's wrong with me. I know hpe is an it. Sorry hpe.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm the worst for pronouns. I'm just gonna start using people's users because am sick of the messages about this.

[Bellaphant]

Why would I ever want to understand others' motives in a game of mafia bbt? C'mon, stop being evasive.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don't need to understand others' motives.

You need to decide for yourself if HPE is worth voting or not. Why do you need coercing?

[ActionDan]

This just isn't happening today, pick someone that actually might get excited

I'm Isoing Gimli / HPE atm.

I've been asking for a full reads list since 1254 and this is the best you can come up with, LurkerDan?

Yes. My readslists isn't worth much since I haven't spent the time commitment to get solid reads regardless of category. I will at least say I think BBT, RR, Eira have risen for me into solidly town status and Mala/Flea are basically there. Yesterday I would have said the same of Gimli and HPE and yourself.

STD I knew was flipping town, the wagon was garbage and I pushed against it and got ignored.

I remember asking specifically what posts you found that were towny of StD which you never pointed out. In your iso you make reference to one only. As far as your push on me goes its not particularly timely nor comprehensive especially since you thought StD wagon was garbage and the majority of my content was scumreading him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

People need to explain the town reads on Eira to me.

[Killing Joke]

This just isn't happening today, pick someone that actually might get excited

I'm Isoing Gimli / HPE atm.

I've been asking for a full reads list since 1254 and this is the best you can come up with, LurkerDan?

Yes. My readslists isn't worth much since I haven't spent the time commitment to get solid reads regardless of category. I will at least say I think BBT, RR, Eira have risen for me into solidly town status and Mala/Flea are basically there. Yesterday I would have said the same of Gimli and HPE and yourself.

STD I knew was flipping town, the wagon was garbage and I pushed against it and got ignored.

I remember asking specifically what posts you found that were towny of StD which you never pointed out. In your iso you make reference to one only. As far as your push on me goes its not particularly timely nor comprehensive especially since you thought StD wagon was garbage and the majority of my content was scumreading him.

What changed since yesterday other than we were double soft inno’d?

People need to explain the town reads on Eira to me.

What’s do you think is his agenda with what he’s doing? He’s all over the place and he did this similar kind of flipflopping in Nobility as well.

I’m not terribly impressed with Dan catchup particularly that weird vote on Bella, so I think our vote is between HPE and Dan today.

~H

[Flea The Magician]

I am still battling a stress headache from hell that may actually be a migraine.
If you want feedback from a specific post, ask me.

pedit: Mines a lean, not a read, and the brain is scrambled so couldn't actually tell you at this point. Vaguely recall them feeling genuine in what they were saying but motives and approaches would be equally good and yet often highly questionable and just wrong.

[Titus]

Look at the amount of resistance to HPE given 22 hours left.