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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:01 pm

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In post 124, Herta wrote: I don't see what you find interesting.

I don't understand that sentence.
It's AI, I think. Not sure in which direction yet, but it could be scummy. You're calling something disingenuous without any evidence or reasoning behind my alleged disingenuity.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:03 pm

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Gonna have to agree with Gimli here. I think you're stretching on that one, Herta.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:15 pm

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Oh I agree. It just felt scummy to me as I read it.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:12 pm

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Vote Count 1.2

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TemporalLich (3) Marashu, Herta, Aisa,

KittyTacky (2) Enchant, Gimli

Aisa (1) Kyoko Kirigiri
Kokichi Oma (1) TemporalLich
Not_Mafia (1) Not_Mafia
Enchant (1) KittyTacky,
Kyoko Kirigiri (1) narrow parking

Not Voting (3) Yume, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, Kokichi Oma

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline (expired on 2023-02-04 19:24:54)

Note: This is where a note would be, if there was one.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:37 pm

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In post 58, Herta wrote:
In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
In other news, this claim seems way too specific to ever come from scum, and a cop check on herta.could be a good idea somewhere down the line to understand what kind of game we're playing.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:27 pm

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I could've picked it out of the abloaf thread and hoped no one actually got it.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:47 am

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VOTE: Gimli
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Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
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No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will

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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:05 am

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VOTE: yume
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:48 am

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here is a lead rist for now

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Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
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Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
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Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.

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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:49 am

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tbh I've forgotten my role this game and I'm going to keep it that way
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:03 am

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In post 58, Herta wrote:
In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
But, like, cops have names based on groupscum present, just like millers (if I'm understanding the game's flavour correctly). So if you are saying your role is actually Miller, that narrows it down to Conspirators or Guardians (and your role explicitly says that if you are a miller for Conspirators you would show up as a vanilla townie). That said...
In post 130, Herta wrote: I could've picked it out of the abloaf thread and hoped no one actually got it.
I think this is just as likely (especially since I don't think there's anything preventing multiples of the same role rolling? But I'm not sure). Roughly 10% chance of anyone getting this role (26 picks out of 252) vs the 1 in 13 of Conspirators being the groupscum in this game. I don't think it's unreasonable to say one of these is true, but a must-pick role being present at all in the list is convenient. For the record, I do think claiming miller right away is the right choice (others may disagree), but I'm not a fan of how slow getting any other info out of you was.

In either case, if we see two alignments outside of {Conspirators, Guardians} we should eliminate Herta IMO.

@Temporal, mind expanding a bit on your KittyTacky read? Also on how your read on me changed from to ?
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:57 am

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Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, narrow parking, and Kyoko Kirigiri have been prodded.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:26 am

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In post 133, TemporalLich wrote: here is a lead rist for now

[Town]


Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
Not_Mafia - Is Not_Mafia.
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Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
Marashu - Seemingly not townie.
Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.

[Scum]
I like your list. I'm townreading marashu though

I'd suggest elimination someone who isn't playing but unfortunately that's way too many slots.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:50 am

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Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"

whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:52 am

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I like that there's a list in one of the most dried up d1s I played on this website so far, and I like my position in it
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:52 am

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Why do you think the list is meh, kirigiri? Any read you hard disagree on?
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:32 am

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VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:35 am

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In post 134, Not_Mafia wrote: tbh I've forgotten my role this game and I'm going to keep it that way
Now that's a scum mindset :wink:
In post 91, Gimli wrote:
In post 56, Aisa wrote:
In post 54, Gimli wrote: I want fun and games and memes, massclaiming isn't any of these things and I'm not reading mech yet.. maybe some other time
Who's had the best fun and games and memes so far?
You're all the game's fun so far
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*twinkle*
Ok sorry I repent I apologise for fishing for compliments :(
In post 129, Gimli wrote:
In post 58, Herta wrote:
In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
In other news, this claim seems way too specific to ever come from scum, and a cop check on herta.could be a good idea somewhere down the line to understand what kind of game we're playing.
It could literally come from scum who has that role, haha. Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the largest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:38 am

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*smallest groupscum group
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:07 pm

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In post 78, TemporalLich wrote:
Marashu doesn't seem scum


VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me
In post 97, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 94, Gimli wrote:What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?
V
oting Marashu purely to wagon with no good reason...


not even sheeping could explain that
In post 95, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:yeah that's the question

but even if he wanted to talk about people what was that about 1 not posting yet?

it just doesn't make sense
that was the main reason I wasn't going to make a lead rist immediately

though it still is early D1 and lead rists are high effort for what is meant to be a non-serious setup
In post 133, TemporalLich wrote: here is a lead rist for now

[Town]


Gimli - Town mindset, which can be discerned by towny posts appearing to be thoughtstreamed.
Herta - Way too gambity to be scum, despite the hasty claim.
Aisa - Good pushes.
KittyTacky - Seemingly townie.
Not_Mafia - Is Not_Mafia.
Enchant - Mostly RVS content, if not then setup spec.
narrow parking - An RVS vote and nothing else as of now.
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu - No content as of now.
Yume - No content as of now except for a vote out of the blue.
Kyoko Kirigiri - Yeah idk.
Marashu - Seemingly not townie.

Kokichi Oma - Scummy mindset.

[Scum]
...Huh?

Why do the quotes look so much bigger than they did before the update? :'(
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:18 pm

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If we ask 3p to out peacefully under promise we not touch them, will they do so
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:26 pm

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In post 135, Marashu wrote:@Temporal, mind expanding a bit on your KittyTacky read? Also on how your read on me changed from to ?
KittyTacky's questions feel towny to me.

When I was reading your ISO for when I was compiling the lead rist, it didn't feel towny despite my initial read. That being said, your push is towny to the point "seemingly not townie" doesn't make sense as a read.
In post 138, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"

whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?
Yeah... It was past early D1 despite not everyone having content but I was needing to do a lead rist so I can make sure my vote makes sense.

Anyway, Kokichi Oma's pushes feel like they have ulterior motives behind them.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:38 pm

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Oh my bad, Marashu had the same question about TL's change of read before I did lol.
In post 142, Aisa wrote: Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the
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smallest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.
Meg said that a groupscum universal miller would be allowed. So e.g. if the smallest groupscum group in this game were the Apparitions, a Universal Miller Apparition would be allowed, and would investigate as an Apparition to relevant investigatives. (Meg is awesome.)

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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:45 pm

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In post 138, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Just having a busy day. The list is pretty meh and I'm not sure what was his big fuss about "making a list" not making a list till that specific slot also posts stuff specially since in list its still "No content as of now"

whats "scummy mindset" with kokichi. can you elaborate on that read?
What's meh about the list to you?
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:33 pm

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In post 135, Marashu wrote:
In post 58, Herta wrote:
In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.
But, like, cops have names based on groupscum present, just like millers (if I'm understanding the game's flavour correctly). So if you are saying your role is actually Miller, that narrows it down to Conspirators or Guardians (and your role explicitly says that if you are a miller for Conspirators you would show up as a vanilla townie).
That said...
In post 130, Herta wrote: I could've picked it out of the abloaf thread and hoped no one actually got it.
I think this is just as likely (especially since I don't think there's anything preventing multiples of the same role rolling? But I'm not sure). Roughly 10% chance of anyone getting this role (26 picks out of 252) vs the 1 in 13 of Conspirators being the groupscum in this game. I don't think it's unreasonable to say one of these is true, but a must-pick role being present at all in the list is convenient. For the record, I do think claiming miller right away is the right choice (others may disagree), but I'm not a fan of how slow getting any other info out of you was.

In either case, if we see two alignments outside of {Conspirators, Guardians} we should eliminate Herta IMO.

@Temporal, mind expanding a bit on your KittyTacky read? Also on how your read on me changed from to ?
I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?
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